Guild Wars 2

I know that we need at least two tournaments per year – but now we aren’t even getting one per year.

Why isn’t WvW getting anywhere near the attention and effort that is being poured into PvE and more pointedly, Spvp?

Spvp is five against five.

WvW is so many more times that it’s insane and is still but the number of players doesn’t matter?

Money? Nah, can’t convince me; the PvP player doesn’t buy anything but the money going into it is insanely disproportionate to what is being spent by WvW players.

You’re preaching to the choir on this subject. eSports is probably the answer. PvP is, and WvW isn’t according to Anet.

Kaiser.9873:

You’re preaching to the choir on this subject. eSports is probably the answer. PvP is, and WvW isn’t according to Anet.

Anet personnel told us to post our questions here and not anywhere else so we need to ask them.

And we are.

If no one wants another season, ignore the post.

I’d like it better with “NEVER AGAIN”

well it will only happen when the need arises to milk some transfer $$ from the mindless crowd on their way to the next bandwagon

we all know whos gonna finish first and dead last and broken again so why do we need to look forward to a tourny? anyone wants to compete well take your competitiveness somewhere else like pvp #esports

As far as I care, Never. It only ends up encouraging bandwagoning even more.

Not overly keen on another “season” either, although the fights would probably be better with everyone try-harding. Having said that, all the PvEers would be queuing the maps to get the stupid meta achievements done which ANet will probably return to S2 levels of annoyingness after everyone complained about S3’s being “too easy.” QQ.

I am very torn about another tournament season.

If they would return it, I would prefer a slightly watered down version of season 2, perhaps just tied to doing 3 WvW dailies (just standing on 5 ruins in season 3 was too easy and did not really involve “PvE friendlies” in to the game; real WvW stuff should be involved). Zerging the k-train in EotM should not be an option at all, as well as JP in OS.
Seasons took a big toll on WvW veterans (stewards to upgrades & dollies, night shift people etc.) and burned them out. That’s not good at all.

Veterans and players who really like WvW should be rewarded for playing in the tournament, not by super loot showers, but by something that appreciates their dedication to the game type:
>> Unlock a NPC in your home instance that lets you simply buy batches of superior siege without the hassle of the MF (same costs of course).
>> Unlock a collection for Mistforged/Hero’s weapons

I would love to see an NPC during the tournament that turns Badges into something valuable, too.
PS: it could also be the chance to severely reduce the rewards in EotM

Never. Tourneys are rather pointless with the fail PPT and imbalance/coverage problems.

The only winners from tourneys are Anet with server transfers.

Offair.2563:

Never. Tourneys are rather pointless with the fail PPT and imbalance/coverage problems.

The only winners from tourneys are Anet with server transfers.

Pointless and fail, yes. The only winners being Anet, yes.

But we’re definitely having another one. Between now and HoT is a lot of time and Anet needs filler content — just look at the “Content Drought Continues” thread that’s created every single Tuesday. There are some events they’ll likely recycle over the summer but when they run out, they’ll bring back the WvW tournament. In fact, that’s been the purpose of every single WvW tournament: to fill time and give illusion of content when Anet has none to deliver.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Offair.2563:

Never. Tourneys are rather pointless with the fail PPT and imbalance/coverage problems.

The only winners from tourneys are Anet with server transfers.

Pointless and fail, yes. The only winners being Anet, yes.

But we’re definitely having another one. Between now and HoT is a lot of time and Anet needs filler content — just look at the “Content Drought Continues” thread that’s created every single Tuesday. There are some events they’ll likely recycle over the summer but when they run out, they’ll bring back the WvW tournament. In fact, that’s been the purpose of every single WvW tournament: to fill time and give illusion of content when Anet has none to deliver.

Yeah most if not all tourneys were just gapfillers between living story stuff.

I’ve never seen so many who have absolutely no server pride.

At this point if they have another season that is structured like the last ones it will be a completely horrible experience for NA servers. Even worse than previous seasons.

There is no good way to break up the servers into Leagues. Not that there was a good way before but its even worse now.

Are 13/14/15 closer to 22/23/24 than they are to 7/8/9?

They’d almost have to do Gold/Silver/Bronze/Lead Leagues. Or use my suggestion of “Leagueless” Season.

Wow, lots of positivity here…

I’d like to see it back, at least the maps are full of people and you get a lot more fights that way…

atheria.2837:

I’ve never seen so many who have absolutely no server pride.

Megaservers helped to kill server pride.

Server Identy is only there to bring together a quantity of players on one realm to ‘fight’ other realms, otherwise Guilds/Players can then simply transfer to on mass using gems.

There is no incentive to play ‘hardcore’ WvW for the PPT, for either Guilds or players.
WvW and PPT is just an imbalanced Competition, which is apparently the only common goal to aim for any community anymore, if you don’t Raid with a Guild or GvG.

Yet rarely is a MU won by organization and the ‘best’ community, it’s down to commanders and pugs running together in one blob, you just need superior numbers over other servers outside prime time.

What becomes toxic thing is when you have PPT vs GvG, or even those having a bit of fun and playing for the fights; either way WvW lacks support for both sides.

So more WvW Tournaments is a no, no, it’s just brings more queues and a toxic atmosphere, for something that isn’t competitvely balanced.

atheria.2837:

I’ve never seen so many who have absolutely no server pride.

Well PvE players, the main recruits for WvW seasonal tourneys, have no server pride any more (or never had, because the bonuses they get apparently come from the heavens…). The only way they know on which server they are is when they visit LA and see the home server’s attention kitten or resident troll in chat.

Anet has yet to find the sweet spot to lure more players into the game type (if they really want – which I have some doubts), when it comes to tourneys (IMO the length of season 3 with a slightly reduced achievement structure of season 2 would be great).

Perhaps we don’t need tourneys at all.
I know that a few more PvE players will try one or two matches of PvP when “Call of the Mists” for better points is active.
Why not apply that buff to WvW ability points in EB and BL only, too?

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

What becomes toxic thing is when you have PPT vs GvG; either way WvW lacks support for both sides.

This is so true…

I would like to see something like the PVP buff “call of the winds” or what ever it is called for WvW even if it happens during a PVP tourny. We got the one time dolyak buff after the last season but since then I’ve seen the PVP buff several times yet it is useless to me since I’m in WvW. I’m high rank and have nothing to spend my extra points on but even adding extra wxp to that buff would make me happy.

Like it or not, the wvw seasons were successful in bringing more people in. OP is right that providing these things shows some care is given into wvw after all.

However, the manner of how and what led to a number of problems. The mass transfers that occur as people try to stack on a winning server can be problematic and potentially unhealthy for the target server. As a reuslt, the tournaments would feel not very competitive, as it is nigh impossible (at least in the NA context) for even a match up between two tiers to be even.

So here’s a few things to consider if you are interested in another one:

Would a tournament sound more interesting if say each tournament had a special mechanic, map, or balance effects such as a handicap mechanic during its duration, such as during the sneak attack event? Let’s say they wanted to push a new feature to shake things up but for a little, or say some kind of handicap mechanic that would be tried out during it. I understand such an idea would take actual effort.

Were you happy with any of the incarnation of the achievements? I felt they were a step above the current wvw achievements (obviously), with season 1 being the best but just a bit too grindy. Season 3 was a bit forgettable though.

What would an ideal duration be, in order not to exhaust people?

Were you satisfied with the rewards? Do you think the mistforged skins and titles helped show your participation? In wvw’s current state, I would have to use participation to gauge rewardsbecause unfortunately I do not think competitive is a word that can be used, especially cross league at the moment.

Would it help if there were something like active reports on the tournament on a regular basis, rather than just a nod to the winner so people are more aware something is happening? Perhaps trusted users could provide reports and the “matchup thread” restriction could be temporarily lifted but heavily moderated [no excessive pvf].

What should be done with transfers? Would locking them for the duration be too much of a hazard?

As usual, this is not an official survey or some crap, but just me tossing ideas out there.

atheria.2837:

I’ve never seen so many who have absolutely no server pride.

LOL

That is hilarious. Thanks for the laugh considering…

What does server pride mean though? Staying on a server and never leaving it, doing what you can to improve it? Or changing servers until you find the server you want? Or what? Kinda don’t really know or care anymore, though. With megaserver it doesn’t matter nearly as much, anyways, and what do you do when you like your community, but your servers WvW population suddenly doubles and there is constant friction and drama from every which way, that some refuse to see or acknowledge it’s actual cause? Do you take pride in that? What if you aren’t enjoying WvW at all in those tiers? Or should you take pride in being bandwagoned multiple times, or losing people because they bandwagon elsewhere? What should you take pride in with your server?

edit: and what does that have to do with a season tournament.

I would like new seasons. I want a full set of mistforged hero weapons.

atheria.2837:

I know that we need at least two tournaments per year – but now we aren’t even getting one per year.

Hopefully never, WvW doesn’t need completely unbalanced tournaments which mean nothing because of the sheer lack of balance.

What is the point of having a tournament in a game mode that as a competition is a complete joke?

Seasons burn people out, we’ve seen some of the most dedicated and active WvW players totally fall off the face of the earth after a season ended. It also does a good job breaking up guilds and cause drama. While you would see higher WvW activities during a season, what you really get are a bunch of PvE players in WvW, filling up the queues. This directly cuts into the enjoyment of those who are only interested in one game mode, and for those on T1 servers with queues already nightly, it’ll be a nightmare to try to play.

Personally I’m more for something like once a month “push week” kind of thing. Servers do unofficial push weeks off and on by themselves already. Rather than months long tournaments, the game could force push weeks to spice things up at least 1 week out of a month. I think people can better handle such commitment as opposed to a long season tournament. Not sure how they’ll handle rewards but eh that’s up to Anet to decide.

ArchonWing.9480:

Like it or not, the wvw seasons were successful in bringing more people in. OP is right that providing these things shows some care is given into wvw after all.

I have to disagree with you here on both counts.

Sure seasons brought people in — for the season; but a large number came only for the new achievements and the reward tickets. Did those people stay in the game mode after the tournament? Compare that number with the burnout of vets caused by massively the unbalanced matchups and damage to communities due to mass transfers. (Just think of the commanders you know who no longer tag up/play since the last tournament.)

As for care given to WvW. I don’t see how tournaments are evidence of that at all. It takes almost zero work to implement a tournament the way Anet does — basically just a change in matchup algorithm. Blowout matchups are the norm as usual. I see the tournaments as filler “content” for when Anet didn’t have any LS to put out.

Remember when you would go to Lion’s Arch and either ask for help because keep or garri was being besieged? Or because you were planning a glorious golem rush? That’s how you people got interested in WvW.

You want to recruit new players into WvW, and provide some server pride (which leads to better server stability)? Make LA server based again. Now Anet is going to be unwilling to spend the funds for more instances of LA, so at least arrange megaservers so that players from the other servers in your matchup are assigned to different megaservers. Not a fix-it-all solution, but a small, easily taken step.

Well, i have to admit this is where experiences differ. I was actually pretty impressed at how many people showed up to help with the previous season, but that might have to do with the matchups being close. Definitely, there was some degree of fatigue and people who just got the stuff and left, but I know of quite a few people who wouldn’t have entered wvw otherwise.

Lion’s arch not being megaservered (and I think the cities as well) has been something I’ve expressed a desire for. But it really depends on whether or not they want to keep the server system as is; though I suppose a lot of folks think the current system is broken. And of course, this also ties with the “full” pve (but not wvw) server issues as well.

The forum specialist has spoken.

I think a new season would be great. The easy meta achis are not problem. I think they should add repeatable things like kill 50 players, flip x things, slap 5 yaks, slay 10 guards etc…
Edit: i think we need tournys more often with short duration. 4-5 weeks are not that long. The problem with the prizes is it depend on others, not on your personal gameplay. This is why i suggest repeatable achis with gifts and just a minimal extra for winers. Finisher, some greens and few dozens of badges

I hope never. Seasons did more harm than good for those players dedicated to WvW.

lmperdigao.2567:

I hope never. Seasons did more harm than good for those players dedicated to WvW.

But for casual roamers, WvW seasons are such a good time! Please Anet! How difficult can it be?

I think a new season would be alright. Not great, but alright.

If they did decide on a new season they need to show that it’s not all about gem sales by locking transfers prior to any announcement of a new season. I’m sure many players would cry and whine about not being able to leave a dead server, or whatever, prior to a new season, but in all honesty we’ve gotten to this place we are now due to mass bandwagons just prior to each new season.

That being said, Gold tier is essentially locked anyway. Every server except YB being full means that there could really be no bandwagon this season in Gold.

For everyone that mentions unbalanced blow outs as a negative, well we have that now with little to no variety. At least a short season (4 weeks at most) would bring variety to the blow outs…. That or change the algorithm to add a tad more variety – noting worse than blow outs with the same opponents……

Honestly, the only part of WvW Tournaments that I care about is the weapon skins. Without those I have zero interest in it.

Kaiser.9873:

If they did decide on a new season they need to show that it’s not all about gem sales by locking transfers prior to any announcement of a new season.

+1
Locking server transfer before a new WvW Tournament would be good in my eyes to prevent bandwagons and server stacking.
I think in general Anet has to focus a little more on the people that are dedicated WvW players and not try to please the casuals that barely play WvW at all.

No thank you! It’s bad enough that we had to suffer through 3 of them already. The idea was good, Anet’s execution of that idea was atrocious and it nearly killed WvW. Just give us an alternative method of purchasing those skins with in the WvW we currently have . Nobody needs another 6 week fiasco.

I think it can be agreed that in general, tournaments are a sham — competition-wise. Winners are predetermined (unless you have a super short tournament like the last one where there was a first place and then pretty much everyone else tied for second).

But it seems people like the rewards and a change from the usual monotonous WvW. So why not just do a few “event” weeks where you can get some new achievements that lead you to those coveted tickets? You bring people into WvW and it’s not a sham competition.

Lord Kuru.3685:

I think it can be agreed that in general, tournaments are a sham — competition-wise. Winners are predetermined (unless you have a super short tournament like the last one where there was a first place and then pretty much everyone else tied for second).

But it seems people like the rewards and a change from the usual monotonous WvW. So why not just do a few “event” weeks where you can get some new achievements that lead you to those coveted tickets? You bring people into WvW and it’s not a sham competition.

Not to mention, event weeks could be a good way of testing ideas and changes people have proposed, much like no white swords and points per kill during the “sneak attack” event.

I just want a way to get those weapon skins and other things you can get from tournament rewards…

oscuro.9720:

I just want a way to get those weapon skins and other things you can get from tournament rewards…

Yes, if they dont bring seasons, they should make the skins available for a ton of badges each. Like 5k badges each would be good.

oscuro.9720:

I just want a way to get those weapon skins and other things you can get from tournament rewards…

my thoughts exactly, gotta get those sexy, sexy skins.

Malediktus.3740:

oscuro.9720:

I just want a way to get those weapon skins and other things you can get from tournament rewards…

Yes, if they dont bring seasons, they should make the skins available for a ton of badges each. Like 5k badges each would be good.

There has to be a way to spend those badges more effectively. Stacks of superior siege. Plenty of alternate armor sets for every situation(that I never use, but can’t break down or flush down the mystic toilet). Still sitting on almost 20K badges.

Let us buy WvW specific armor/weapon skins with badges. Make the items cost many many badges, but give us an outlet to spend them.