Guild Wars 2

Thinking back, i don’t ever recall being able to grab these anywhere except the eb jumping puzzle (which is really pve anyways).

Has anyone seen them outside the jumping puzzle?

it’s rare, but you do find them occasionally. only in EBG, of course. I’ve never seen them in any of the borderlands maps.

but their frequency of occurrence seems to have dropped somewhat. I used to reliably find one or two nodes per day, but lately it seems like I only find one node every day or two.

-ken

look around the edges of eternal battlegrounds where nobody goes

Neeho.3859:

Thinking back, i don’t ever recall being able to grab these anywhere except the eb jumping puzzle (which is really pve anyways).

Has anyone seen them outside the jumping puzzle?

I’m not sure if this is a, “No ArenaNet I hate PvE so much don’t make me do it. PvEers stole my puppies, drank my juice box, and smashed my cookies so pl0x give me more nodes in World Versus World for me to mine with my non-infinite gathering tools because money from WvW is so un-profitable and Cursed Shore will give me cooties” thread…

Or a question from someone who has gathered all the nodes in Frostgorge Sound and Orr and is just looking to make a little bit more gold.

In either case, Ancient Wood nodes are scattered throughout Eternal Battlegrounds on occasion, and everyday there are two guaranteed Orichalcum nodes in the Jumping Puzzle (you know, the clearly Player v Environment map?), they’re gatherable by alternate characters as well.

Good luck!

DevonCarver.5370:

The mats will absolutely drop in WvW. In addition, generally speaking, we are putting a heavier emphasis on finding long-term solutions to redressing the reward imbalance between PvE and WvW. I can’t claim they will ever be 100% equal all the time, but we would like it to never be the case that you are choosing between playing WvW and getting good rewards. The two should be one in the same.

So far giving a failing grade on this one…..defiantly an F.

SonOfKrypton.4357:

I’m not sure if this is a, “No ArenaNet I hate PvE so much don’t make me do it. PvEers stole my puppies, drank my juice box, and smashed my cookies so pl0x give me more nodes in World Versus World for me to mine with my non-infinite gathering tools because money from WvW is so un-profitable and Cursed Shore will give me cooties” thread…

Or a question from someone who has gathered all the nodes in Frostgorge Sound and Orr and is just looking to make a little bit more gold.

In either case, Ancient Wood nodes are scattered throughout Eternal Battlegrounds on occasion, and everyday there are two guaranteed Orichalcum nodes in the Jumping Puzzle (you know, the clearly Player v Environment map?), they’re gatherable by alternate characters as well.

Good luck!

The JP is a jumping puzzle. It’s PvE with a chance to die if you don’t bring your friends. It’s in a separate zone, and is not WvW.

A chance for 1 or 2 nodes a day, if they’re up that week, in one zone, is not addressing a reward imbalance between pve and wvw. In order to get T6 and T7 crafting materials, gold, loot drops, etc. it is MUCH faster to do it in PvE than in WvW. All I would like is for Devon to actually do what he says he will do.

Salvage kit is your friend, I use the cheap one ~3silver and salvage all up to ~1s, then you get a lot off material and even in the middle off a fight you can get room in your bag

Quite amusing that two nodes are in JP, but generally 0 or at most 1 in the entirety of the rest of the BL and EB combined- tells you something of what they think of the relative merits of those two things.

Just another resource that is next to impossible to collect doing wvw.

Neeho.3859:

The JP is a jumping puzzle. It’s PvE with a chance to die if you don’t bring your friends. It’s in a separate zone, and is not WvW.

The Orichalcum nodes were in there long before they moved the puzzle to a separate zone and by your definition at this point in time, was WvW.

Neeho.3859:

A chance for 1 or 2 nodes a day, if they’re up that week, in one zone, is not addressing a reward imbalance between pve and wvw. In order to get T6 and T7 crafting materials, gold, loot drops, etc. it is MUCH faster to do it in PvE than in WvW. All I would like is for Devon to actually do what he says he will do.

But why does there need to be a complete balance between PvE and WvW?

Why does it have to be, “You get even rewards by playing both game modes!” It baffles me as to where this assumption came from.

You clearly think (rightly so) that they’re different game modes, so by that logic, the rewards should be different, right? You can’t always have the best of both worlds.

The assumption comes from Devon, specifically, " I can’t claim they will ever be 100% equal all the time, but we would like it to never be the case that you are choosing between playing WvW and getting good rewards. The two should be one in the same."

It also comes form common sense, as they are 2 completely different playstyles. If I kill a mob once, I will ALWAYS know how to kill that mob. On the other hand, I can kill your group right now, and you can rez up, and the next time we fight, I will guarantee that someone will change something. Every encounter is different. People learn; AI is, well, AI. One is more exciting to me than the other. I would rather not do everything in relative safety, even if I get hit by, say, stun warriors and s/d thieves while gathering at a node.

SonOfKrypton.4357:

Neeho.3859:

The JP is a jumping puzzle. It’s PvE with a chance to die if you don’t bring your friends. It’s in a separate zone, and is not WvW.

The Orichalcum nodes were in there long before they moved the puzzle to a separate zone and by your definition at this point in time, was WvW.

Neeho.3859:

A chance for 1 or 2 nodes a day, if they’re up that week, in one zone, is not addressing a reward imbalance between pve and wvw. In order to get T6 and T7 crafting materials, gold, loot drops, etc. it is MUCH faster to do it in PvE than in WvW. All I would like is for Devon to actually do what he says he will do.

But why does there need to be a complete balance between PvE and WvW?

Why does it have to be, “You get even rewards by playing both game modes!” It baffles me as to where this assumption came from.

You clearly think (rightly so) that they’re different game modes, so by that logic, the rewards should be different, right? You can’t always have the best of both worlds.

Fractals, Orr karma trains, dungeons, boss farming, living story, they all pay extremely well. You’re lucky to break even in WvW (between siege, upgrade costs, long periods without killing anyone while you travel/scout, consumables much more required, higher risk of death and repairs. That this isn’t right should not baffle anyone.

Destroying a wooden wall should give you wood.

You are asking for them to get pve players to run gathering trains? So we could farm them? umn, might work.

But better to have ori and such as part of rewards from objectives and kills in wvw.
So say 1 ori ing or ancient per kill? 2 per camp? etc?

I do feel bad for Devon. With all this pressure he is retaliating with insane league systems.

Lion of the Wind
RgTg

Neeho.3859:

The assumption comes from Devon, specifically, " I can’t claim they will ever be 100% equal all the time, but we would like it to never be the case that you are choosing between playing WvW and getting good rewards. The two should be one in the same."

It also comes form common sense, as they are 2 completely different playstyles. If I kill a mob once, I will ALWAYS know how to kill that mob. On the other hand, I can kill your group right now, and you can rez up, and the next time we fight, I will guarantee that someone will change something. Every encounter is different. People learn; AI is, well, AI. One is more exciting to me than the other. I would rather not do everything in relative safety, even if I get hit by, say, stun warriors and s/d thieves while gathering at a node.

Since just visiting the Jumping Puzzle is clearly putting you out, and you seem to have grand ideas about how people (or cyborgs that look like people) can learn and adapt like we’re all living out 1983’s WarGames (starring the ineffable milk-eyed Matthew Broderick as a proto-DJ Squalls poised to hack the planet), I’ll go ahead and teach Neeho.3859 a weird trick to double his income while out doing True WvW™…

Press “F” on their bodies once your blue dorito says it’s safe! :-)

By the way, can you even tell what a stun Warrior or a Sword Thief looks like in your One True WvW? Do they do courses on that stuff at WvW School, or is it just a kind of, “Autoattack on sight” thing? So many questions…

Assuming someone’s playstyle based on a few sentences is idiotic.

Back on topic, why are you guys against wvw having similar rewards to pve? What is it about wvw’ers not having to go to pve to get gold/loot/gathers they need that upsets you so? Am I missing something?

Neeho.3859:

Assuming someone’s playstyle based on a few sentences is idiotic.

Back on topic, why are you guys against wvw having similar rewards to pve? What is it about wvw’ers not having to go to pve to get gold/loot/gathers they need that upsets you so? Am I missing something?

I think it’s the case of people who exclusively play WvW having this sense of entitlement where they think that just because they don’t want to play PvE that they should get all the perks exclusive PvEers get as well.

I just feel that if someone is in the mindset that they can’t leave the confines of Eternal Battlegrounds to go and farm a node in a PvE map then they straight out don’t deserve the rewards that come with it.

I would understand completely if gathering nodes was exclusive to dungeons or something and you didn’t want to go and do a dungeon, but gathering is literally exactly the same in every map except in WvW you can get attacked by a player whilst doing so.

SonOfKrypton.4357:

Neeho.3859:

Assuming someone’s playstyle based on a few sentences is idiotic.

Back on topic, why are you guys against wvw having similar rewards to pve? What is it about wvw’ers not having to go to pve to get gold/loot/gathers they need that upsets you so? Am I missing something?

I think it’s the case of people who exclusively play WvW having this sense of entitlement where they think that just because they don’t want to play PvE that they should get all the perks exclusive PvEers get as well.

I just feel that if someone is in the mindset that they can’t leave the confines of Eternal Battlegrounds to go and farm a node in a PvE map then they straight out don’t deserve the rewards that come with it.

I would understand completely if gathering nodes was exclusive to dungeons or something and you didn’t want to go and do a dungeon, but gathering is literally exactly the same in every map except in WvW you can get attacked by a player whilst doing so.

Would having a few ori nodes in wvw diminish pve rewards? I think you are trying to separate pve and wvw too much. It would just make the divide between the two smaller. On the other hand, that might be a problem. Lets not do it.
Keep your pve munitions away from our pure WvW:P

SonOfKrypton.4357:

Neeho.3859:

Assuming someone’s playstyle based on a few sentences is idiotic.

Back on topic, why are you guys against wvw having similar rewards to pve? What is it about wvw’ers not having to go to pve to get gold/loot/gathers they need that upsets you so? Am I missing something?

I think it’s the case of people who exclusively play WvW having this sense of entitlement where they think that just because they don’t want to play PvE that they should get all the perks exclusive PvEers get as well.

I just feel that if someone is in the mindset that they can’t leave the confines of Eternal Battlegrounds to go and farm a node in a PvE map then they straight out don’t deserve the rewards that come with it.

I would understand completely if gathering nodes was exclusive to dungeons or something and you didn’t want to go and do a dungeon, but gathering is literally exactly the same in every map except in WvW you can get attacked by a player whilst doing so.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a WvWer ask for everything you can get in PvE. Most avid WvWers (folks who play this game primarily for WvW) just want WvW to be self-sustaining. It’s not so much that we want the sun and the moon and the stars, we just want to not have to PvE to be able to WvW. Every time we ask for just a little bit more, for some reason folks always come out and tell us that there’s no way WvW should be anywhere near as rewarding as smacking AI bots around all day.

And you know what? That’s fine. Smacking AI bot probably should be the most rewarding thing, because most of the folks who get off on smacking around AI bots aren’t it it for smacking AI bots. They’re in it for the rewards. The problem comes when there’s so much disparity between PvE and WvW that the WvWers have to mindlessly smack around AI bots just to be able to afford to go back to having the kind of fun they’re interesting in.

And what are the rewards we don’t deserve because we don’t want to come play PvE, exactly? Do we not deserve BiS gear? Is that what you’re getting at?

On the other hand, do you know what rewards we get in WvW that you don’t get in PvE? Nothing. Soon, we’ll have a finisher. Woo.

How would you feel if WvW was mandatory for anything PvE related? (Yes, I know you have to do a tour of all 4 maps once, for one thing. That’s not the same as actually playing WvW) What if you had to play WvW for an hour each day to be viable at PvE? How pleased would you be?

TL;DR Almost no one wants absolute parity between PvE and WvW rewards. We just want WvW to be self sustaining. And yes, that means increasing the rewards somewhat.

Klawlyt.6507:

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a WvWer ask for everything you can get in PvE.

As you’ve all made blatantly obvious, it’s because WvWers don’t like PvE.

Klawlyt.6507:

Every time we ask for just a little bit more, for some reason folks always come out and tell us that there’s no way WvW should be anywhere near as rewarding as smacking AI bots around all day.

This isn’t about smacking AI bots around -____-"

This is about leaving WvW to go to one of the many amazing maps that ArenaNet has put in the game, and press the interact button near a tree.

Klawlyt.6507:

And what are the rewards we don’t deserve because we don’t want to come play PvE, exactly? Do we not deserve BiS gear? Is that what you’re getting at?

How would you feel if WvW was mandatory for anything PvE related? (Yes, I know you have to do a tour of all 4 maps once, for one thing. That’s not the same as actually playing WvW) What if you had to play WvW for an hour each day to be viable at PvE? How pleased would you be?

I play WvW for 3-4 hours per day and I love it. I always jump into PvE and get all the best gear (and looks, I can’t play if I don’t look amazing) because lets be real, there’s no need for the best gear when you’re in a blob spamming #1 is there? xD

Ok, so it’s not about smacking AI bots around, it’s about the one thing that’s less interesting than that. I’ve SEEN those maps. They are amazing. I’ve also read Goldfinger before. It doesn’t mean I like reading it all the time.

And ok, good. You enjoy going back out to PvE. You shouldn’t really have any complaints then? You still never said why that should be the way it is. You just said you have less of a problem with the current system than I do. That’s fine, but it doesn’t do much to justify why I should have to farm nodes in PvE.

And organized zerging is a bit more than just spamming 1, but even if it wasn’t there would be a lot of people spamming 1. There’s a lot of damage flying around, and 5-10% of a lot is still a lot. WvW is all about little things adding up to big things, and the better equipped zerg is going to have a decent advantage. That doesn’t sound like “skill over time played”. This sounds like “time played over all”.

Do I still sound entitled?