Guild Wars 2

I find this is happening more often in WvW, where 4-5 man roaming groups from tPvP would say to anyone near them for too long, things like “go away”, “why are you following us?”, “are you looking to be carried?”

You know they are a tPvP team when they are in the same guild, all have champion slayer titles, and are (often) Asura. Most roamers (whether solo/duo, learning uplevels, skirmish team, etc) aim for the same objectives without following the commander and the main force. If it so happens you are going for the same supply camp as your allies, no one has the right to tell anyone to go elsewhere. WvW gives players the freedom to fight for their server however they please, and your gaming “background” doesn’t mean you can bring your elitist attitude to WvW, as it belongs to everyone fighting for your server.

Tl;dr – Some (not all) tPvP teams need to get off their high horse and play WvW as a server, not to glorify themselves with “lol 4v30” videos. Treat your allies with respect.

They really only understand slayer at boarding action, objectives are hard! Maybe I’m being overreaching but kitten if arena PvP didn’t ruin “that” game and others for me.

Give them an honest answer and continue doing what you’re doing. *shrug*

If there is a guild or a smallscale team that wants to run by themselves and politely ask you not to follow them, then by following them you are simply griefing. Sure, it can happen coincidentially that you meet at some supply camp or points but that’s not what I am seeing. It’s not like you can’t do other things in the zone except grief your fellow players.

You should read t7s thread lol

Danielle.3152:

If there is a guild or a smallscale team that wants to run by themselves and politely ask you not to follow them, then by following them you are simply griefing. Sure, it can happen coincidentially that you meet at some supply camp or points but that’s not what I am seeing. It’s not like you can’t do other things in the zone except grief your fellow players.

The exemples the OP used doesn’t really look like “politely asking”.

@ Wyldkat

This is more towards newer players in WvW who I’ve seen many times being ridiculed by elitists when they are going for the same objective or following small groups to learn more about WvW. I ignore them myself, but when I see this happening to my allies, it’s bothersome, especially for those who are trying out WvW.

@Danielle

Politely asking, understandable. Being rude/arrogant? Unnecessary. Even if a group politely asks to go elsewhere, it isn’t griefing if you’re also going for the same enemy yak or supply camp. It may be different if you’re followed to the ends of the map w/o an objective, but more often than not this isn’t the case.

People that follow us without being in ventrilo, especially up levels, are little more than rally bait. I’ve been burned too many times. So if you want to hug someone’s nuts its polite to ask first.

As a member of a reputable roaming group that frequently runs 5 mans (and if any T7 lowbie-killing 5-man want to come have a go, you’re on..), I can tell you that AoN has never told anybody to stop following them if they were just doing their objectives. Yes, our style of play focuses on fighting larger numbers and searching for constant fighting, but we’d never discourage our server to play objectives. In fact, we help them a lot. I believe that’s the proper mentality to have in regards to your server.

If you chose to play a roaming-group in GW2, you chose to take a different path than most. Therefore, you have to adapt to the majority and the game design… AoN spends 80% of their time deep in enemy territory, with no allies in sight. If you’re on a contested on friendly area, don’t complain about your pubbies being around you. Move yourself to a different place.

Of course, we’ve had our cases where litterally 5 or 6 people would hang around with us, following us like glue… those are the cases where you just want to kill them yourselves… people who decide they’d ride along your train while they should be doing other stuff.. but oh well. Run them into an enemy zerg and they run or die instantly.

Of course, if they ARE, indeed, in T7, where zergs and people in general are less geared, skilled and hardcore than the higher tiers, and where there a less full guild zergs, they “would” think highly of themselves for wiping people with crappy gear and no voice com. If you want a real challenge, come to T2. You’ll have plenty to fight, and it’ll open your eyes, and there won’t be pubbies because pubbies will stick with the commander!

In their defense it gets really annoying when some bad pvper tagging along
gets stomped and rallies several people

Sometimes +1 is a waste of resources.
We do have limited slots and lots of jobs need doing. But I can understand the frustration for those not in an organized guild.

Danielle.3152:

If there is a guild or a smallscale team that wants to run by themselves and politely ask you not to follow them, then by following them you are simply griefing. Sure, it can happen coincidentially that you meet at some supply camp or points but that’s not what I am seeing. It’s not like you can’t do other things in the zone except grief your fellow players.

You can’t call dibs on objectives or sections of a map.

If I go into EB and declare “I want to try and solo SM and all the keeps today, no one interfere” .. is the rest of my server griefing me when they ignore my selfish desires to have my game play overrule what they want to do?

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Danielle.3152:

If there is a guild or a smallscale team that wants to run by themselves and politely ask you not to follow them, then by following them you are simply griefing. Sure, it can happen coincidentially that you meet at some supply camp or points but that’s not what I am seeing. It’s not like you can’t do other things in the zone except grief your fellow players.

You can’t call dibs on objectives or sections of a map.

If I go into EB and declare “I want to try and solo SM and all the keeps today, no one interfere” .. is the rest of my server griefing me when they ignore my selfish desires to have my game play overrule what they want to do?

Dude if you could really do that, I think they might actually let you hahaha Seriously though, this is a good point. The main thing to remember is if you wanna roam in a small group, pick an enemy BL. EB and your own BL is usually full of people from your own server.

Darek.1836:

In their defense it gets really annoying when some bad pvper tagging along
gets stomped and rallies several people

Understandable, but if puggers want to flip the same camp as the roaming team, they shouldn’t be turned away for them. Rallying off inexperienced/uplevlels sucks, but it’s part of the game and happens everywhere else too.

I run many gank/spank groups and never ever disocurage joiners.

But if u can see its GvG, respect, and dont intervene. But rare for small scale gvg spank fights.

Fuzzion.2504:

I run many gank/spank groups and never ever disocurage joiners.

But if u can see its GvG, respect, and dont intervene. But rare for small scale gvg spank fights.

This definitely. I will admit to going to take a camp a time or two and run into 3 or 4 people and I end up following them around for a bit going from objective to objective. And even though I’m not a big duels fan, I’ll always watch duels or GvG rather than interrupt. I feel like I learn something new every time I watch people play anyway, let’s face it, I’m not as quick as I used to be.

Ive never seen anyone say anything like that. Although I understand where they are coming from. Weak links can get you killed. Ive been killed quite a few times trying to save players out of position or over committed to fights they couldn’t handle. I used to take alot of risk trying to save players like this, but the more I play, I become less and less likely to help players who are getting into these positions. I think if someone is new to WvW they should stick with the zerg until they understand the mechanics of the game well. As a frequent solo roamer myself, I expect those who I run into whilst roaming are pretty well competent at fights, but I do wonder about some of the players I have come across.

I will say that at times you may have to explain to new players why you’re telling them:

- Please don’t take supply from here.
- Please don’t kill Siegeguy.
- Please don’t attack the neutrals.
- Please don’t attack the gate.

I’m having fond memories to my initial trips into WvW now. At least, fond for me, if not the people who had to teach me at the time. Thanks, teacher peoples!

Danielle.3152:

If there is a guild or a smallscale team that wants to run by themselves and politely ask you not to follow them, then by following them you are simply griefing. Sure, it can happen coincidentially that you meet at some supply camp or points but that’s not what I am seeing. It’s not like you can’t do other things in the zone except grief your fellow players.

He’s Griefing if it was his intention to grab that camp aswell,and just happen to stumble into them trying to force him to go away by acting like a whiney kid who acts like it’s His territory ? Nah,wvwvw is for everyone to go and stand where they want.These people cannot tell this guy to move away and go do something else,if they get tired of it let Them move away.Honestly,ive never seen this kind of behaviour on my server atleast,most people are glad if you help out and thank you for it.

I think this thread misses a few key points. The reason a 5 man may ask you to not follow may have nothing to do with elitist attitude, wanting a clean gvg, but rather just pure practicality.

The game does not prioritize buffs/heals/cleanse based on group first, which means when we go up against a tough fight and I am trying to remove my groups conditions to keep them in the fight, it is a negative impact to have someone in the middle of our group sucking up something I intended for another.

Further, when you hit a much larger group then you, not dying becomes critical because one person dying can cause 10 others you just downed to rally. The system is stupid beyond belief, but that is how it is, so if someone is running with you and charges in and dies, your efforts to down all those people is wasted.

Not to say there are not elitist folks out there who are just being kittens, but that is not always the case.

Yes, shout out to teacher peoples! I remember getting yelled at for placing a cata right where the enemy was catapulting.. but I learned :p

Teaching newer players is one thing. Telling them to pretty much screw off is another.

@Niim

Good points. It’s more of the rude players I’m aiming for – there are a lot of roaming groups out there that have good gaming attitudes, but I found many rude ones come from tPvP and somehow think they own the place. While having inexperienced players near you can be a liability, politely asking or shaking them off by tping works, but if they also want to attack the same enemy camp, no one really has say to stop them.

Convenant.7092:

As a member of a reputable roaming group that frequently runs 5 mans (and if any T7 lowbie-killing 5-man want to come have a go, you’re on..), I can tell you that AoN has never told anybody to stop following them if they were just doing their objectives. Yes, our style of play focuses on fighting larger numbers and searching for constant fighting, but we’d never discourage our server to play objectives. In fact, we help them a lot. I believe that’s the proper mentality to have in regards to your server.

If you chose to play a roaming-group in GW2, you chose to take a different path than most. Therefore, you have to adapt to the majority and the game design… AoN spends 80% of their time deep in enemy territory, with no allies in sight. If you’re on a contested on friendly area, don’t complain about your pubbies being around you. Move yourself to a different place.

Of course, we’ve had our cases where litterally 5 or 6 people would hang around with us, following us like glue… those are the cases where you just want to kill them yourselves… people who decide they’d ride along your train while they should be doing other stuff.. but oh well. Run them into an enemy zerg and they run or die instantly.

Of course, if they ARE, indeed, in T7, where zergs and people in general are less geared, skilled and hardcore than the higher tiers, and where there a less full guild zergs, they “would” think highly of themselves for wiping people with crappy gear and no voice com. If you want a real challenge, come to T2. You’ll have plenty to fight, and it’ll open your eyes, and there won’t be pubbies because pubbies will stick with the commander!

How do you know people are less geared, skilled and harcore than higher tiers? We only have less players than yours.
These T2 elitists…

And no, we accept everyone with us. We play with our server, talk with everyone, invite them in our group. We’re here to have fun, not to spit on other tiers like you do.

Keep being good in your tier, we’re happy for you.

Cirax.9231:

I find this is happening more often in WvW, where 4-5 man roaming groups from tPvP would say to anyone near them for too long, things like “go away”, “why are you following us?”, “are you looking to be carried?”

You know they are a tPvP team when they are in the same guild, all have champion slayer titles, and are (often) Asura. Most roamers (whether solo/duo, learning uplevels, skirmish team, etc) aim for the same objectives without following the commander and the main force. If it so happens you are going for the same supply camp as your allies, no one has the right to tell anyone to go elsewhere. WvW gives players the freedom to fight for their server however they please, and your gaming “background” doesn’t mean you can bring your elitist attitude to WvW, as it belongs to everyone fighting for your server.

Tl;dr – Some (not all) tPvP teams need to get off their high horse and play WvW as a server, not to glorify themselves with “lol 4v30” videos. Treat your allies with respect.

This used to be more of an issue before they changed the orange swords. A small group did not want to be followed while trying to ninja something because pugs attack everything no matter what and that would be too many and bring up orange swords. I am not sure why this would be an issue at all anymore.

As far as the 4 vs 30 videos LOL. I am always impressed by the t7 5 guild on TS v 20 pugs. lol we do this by accident all the time in my tier, this is by no means “pro”.

I have come across a group of a few militia taking out entire PuG zergs. You guys just make yourselves look bad by posting these videos.

Nausicca.6038:

How do you know people are less geared, skilled and harcore than higher tiers? We only have less players than yours.
These T2 elitists…

Ya, it’s pretty cute that he still thinks that tiers have anything at all to do with player skill/gear.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Nausicca.6038:

How do you know people are less geared, skilled and harcore than higher tiers? We only have less players than yours.
These T2 elitists…

Ya, it’s pretty cute that he still thinks that tiers have anything at all to do with player skill/gear.

Didn’t you know that having more players makes your players better?

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Nausicca.6038:

How do you know people are less geared, skilled and harcore than higher tiers? We only have less players than yours.
These T2 elitists…

Ya, it’s pretty cute that he still thinks that tiers have anything at all to do with player skill/gear.

Well from what I have seen AoN can farm pugs and spawn camp with the best of them so yeah… From what I have seen from watching videos is that we probably have a higher caliper of pugs in T2 though.

Nausicca.6038:

Convenant.7092:

As a member of a reputable roaming group that frequently runs 5 mans (and if any T7 lowbie-killing 5-man want to come have a go, you’re on..), I can tell you that AoN has never told anybody to stop following them if they were just doing their objectives. Yes, our style of play focuses on fighting larger numbers and searching for constant fighting, but we’d never discourage our server to play objectives. In fact, we help them a lot. I believe that’s the proper mentality to have in regards to your server.

If you chose to play a roaming-group in GW2, you chose to take a different path than most. Therefore, you have to adapt to the majority and the game design… AoN spends 80% of their time deep in enemy territory, with no allies in sight. If you’re on a contested on friendly area, don’t complain about your pubbies being around you. Move yourself to a different place.

Of course, we’ve had our cases where litterally 5 or 6 people would hang around with us, following us like glue… those are the cases where you just want to kill them yourselves… people who decide they’d ride along your train while they should be doing other stuff.. but oh well. Run them into an enemy zerg and they run or die instantly.

Of course, if they ARE, indeed, in T7, where zergs and people in general are less geared, skilled and hardcore than the higher tiers, and where there a less full guild zergs, they “would” think highly of themselves for wiping people with crappy gear and no voice com. If you want a real challenge, come to T2. You’ll have plenty to fight, and it’ll open your eyes, and there won’t be pubbies because pubbies will stick with the commander!

How do you know people are less geared, skilled and harcore than higher tiers? We only have less players than yours.
These T2 elitists…

And no, we accept everyone with us. We play with our server, talk with everyone, invite them in our group. We’re here to have fun, not to spit on other tiers like you do.

Keep being good in your tier, we’re happy for you.

Because we’ve been on T7, found it too easy, moved to T5, found it too easy, moved to T4, found it too easy, moved to T3, found it too easy, moved to T2… and we met our match.

Ruprect.7260:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Nausicca.6038:

How do you know people are less geared, skilled and harcore than higher tiers? We only have less players than yours.
These T2 elitists…

Ya, it’s pretty cute that he still thinks that tiers have anything at all to do with player skill/gear.

Well from what I have seen AoN can farm pugs and spawn camp with the best of them so yeah… From what I have seen from watching videos is that we probably have a higher caliper of pugs in T2 though.

And DiS can farm pugs with 50+ of them. Anything less, they choose to run. If you want to have a go, we’d gladly set up at 5v5. Or even 5v10 heck…

Convenant.7092:

Ruprect.7260:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Nausicca.6038:

How do you know people are less geared, skilled and harcore than higher tiers? We only have less players than yours.
These T2 elitists…

Ya, it’s pretty cute that he still thinks that tiers have anything at all to do with player skill/gear.

Well from what I have seen AoN can farm pugs and spawn camp with the best of them so yeah… From what I have seen from watching videos is that we probably have a higher caliper of pugs in T2 though.

And DiS can farm pugs with 50+ of them. Anything less, they choose to run. If you want to have a go, we’d gladly set up at 5v5. Or even 5v10 heck…

That was not meant to be negative in any way. It was supposed to be a compliment, but now rereading it that may have come off wrong. My bad.

Edit: rarely do we have 50+ with us, more like 30.

Of the 2 guilds from the higher tiers claiming so in this thread, the DIS guys were simply put, nothing. They’d died as easily as zerglets that were separated from their swarm.

The AoN guys were pretty solid when running with 10 and could wipe pugs quite effectively. On the rare occasion that we would find them 1v1 or even numbers they would melt quite quickly however. Additionally, just the addition of 5 of us to a fight they were in would force them to retreat or die.

The pugs are just as bad in the lower tiers as in the higher tiers, but a higher percentage of T7 enjoys small fights than in the higher tiers.

Ruprect.7260:

Convenant.7092:

Ruprect.7260:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Nausicca.6038:

How do you know people are less geared, skilled and harcore than higher tiers? We only have less players than yours.
These T2 elitists…

Ya, it’s pretty cute that he still thinks that tiers have anything at all to do with player skill/gear.

Well from what I have seen AoN can farm pugs and spawn camp with the best of them so yeah… From what I have seen from watching videos is that we probably have a higher caliper of pugs in T2 though.

And DiS can farm pugs with 50+ of them. Anything less, they choose to run. If you want to have a go, we’d gladly set up at 5v5. Or even 5v10 heck…

That was not meant to be negative in any way. It was supposed to be a compliment, but now rereading it that may have come off wrong. My bad.

And I didn’t mean that in a negative way either… you and RISE run the best zergs in T2; organized, tight, nearly unbreakable. That’s very respectable, as it shows excellent leadership, spirit and will. But, we both have our specializations, and that’s what I was trying to point out… I apologize, I did take it in a negative way!

Azaruil.3406:

Of the 2 guilds from the higher tiers claiming so in this thread, the DIS guys were simply put, nothing. They’d died as easily as zerglets that were separated from their swarm.

The AoN guys were pretty solid when running with 10 and could wipe pugs quite effectively. On the rare occasion that we would find them 1v1 or even numbers they would melt quite quickly however. Additionally, just the addition of 5 of us to a fight they were in would force them to retreat or die.

The pugs are just as bad in the lower tiers as in the higher tiers, but a higher percentage of T7 enjoys small fights than in the higher tiers.

I highly doubt that you were able to beat AoN. In fact, I don’t even remember fighting HoD, or any of you guys, ever. I don’t think we’ve fought in the last 3 months. Where are your claims coming from? Simply lies, I suppose? And AoN very RARELY runs 10 people.

I can’t help but think of AoN as trolls. They just pick of the pugs that are stupid enough to follow them. The self-respecting guilds do not fight AoN.

Also, [Dis] has excellent leadership and skilled, knowledgeable players.

capmasterflash.5690:

AoN are trolls.

No, I’m the only one who posts on the forums, and my posts are nowhere near trollsy. Again, I don’t know where are you coming from. How is your post on topic again?

Convenant.7092:

Azaruil.3406:

Of the 2 guilds from the higher tiers claiming so in this thread, the DIS guys were simply put, nothing. They’d died as easily as zerglets that were separated from their swarm.

The AoN guys were pretty solid when running with 10 and could wipe pugs quite effectively. On the rare occasion that we would find them 1v1 or even numbers they would melt quite quickly however. Additionally, just the addition of 5 of us to a fight they were in would force them to retreat or die.

The pugs are just as bad in the lower tiers as in the higher tiers, but a higher percentage of T7 enjoys small fights than in the higher tiers.

I highly doubt that you were able to beat AoN. In fact, I don’t even remember fighting HoD, or any of you guys, ever. I don’t think we’ve fought in the last 3 months. Where are your claims coming from? Simply lies, I suppose? And AoN very RARELY runs 10 people.

This is from a while back when SoR was in t2. We just recently transferred to HoD. I generally only remember seeing you guys with 8-10 players.

Azaruil.3406:

Of the 2 guilds from the higher tiers claiming so in this thread, the DIS guys were simply put, nothing. They’d died as easily as zerglets that were separated from their swarm.

The AoN guys were pretty solid when running with 10 and could wipe pugs quite effectively. On the rare occasion that we would find them 1v1 or even numbers they would melt quite quickly however. Additionally, just the addition of 5 of us to a fight they were in would force them to retreat or die.

The pugs are just as bad in the lower tiers as in the higher tiers, but a higher percentage of T7 enjoys small fights than in the higher tiers.

I am sorry I have never heard of KoM or recall ever being in the same tier as HoD. I am quite sure we would make short work of whoever you are. I have never seen AoN run more than 7 or 8. And yes they do run a lot but from what I have seen that is part of the tactic. As soon as you turn around from being bored chasing they usually come up and hit you hard.

Edit: this is getting off topic so I am done here, sorry for kinda highjacking this thread.

capmasterflash.5690:

I can’t help but think of AoN as trolls. They just pick of the pugs that are stupid enough to follow them. The self-respecting guilds do not fight AoN.

Is that why the 35 man TSL zerg chased us for half the map, then got wiped?

And regardless, why are you comparing a 5 man guild to your 50+ man zerg? Just the fact that you compare us to your zergs mean that you either show no self-respect to yourself, or you are incoherent with what you say. Because last time I checked, nobody talked about you.

Convenant.7092:

Because we’ve been on T7, found it too easy, moved to T5, found it too easy, moved to T4, found it too easy, moved to T3, found it too easy, moved to T2… and we met our match.

So presumably, all the players on T1 servers are more skilled than you are?

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Convenant.7092:

Because we’ve been on T7, found it too easy, moved to T5, found it too easy, moved to T4, found it too easy, moved to T3, found it too easy, moved to T2… and we met our match.

So presumably, all the players on T1 servers are more skilled than you are?

No, but if we were to transfer to T1, we’d have a harder time than on T2.

The only valid reason groups dont want you to follow them is because the enemy can rally on your death. On the other hand let the enemy rally is something you shouldnt allow in the first place by finishing off downed players.

Convenant.7092:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Convenant.7092:

Because we’ve been on T7, found it too easy, moved to T5, found it too easy, moved to T4, found it too easy, moved to T3, found it too easy, moved to T2… and we met our match.

So presumably, all the players on T1 servers are more skilled than you are?

No, but if we were to transfer to T1, we’d have a harder time than on T2.

Ah so basically you’re stating that you are more skilled then everyone else in this game, got it.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Convenant.7092:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Convenant.7092:

Because we’ve been on T7, found it too easy, moved to T5, found it too easy, moved to T4, found it too easy, moved to T3, found it too easy, moved to T2… and we met our match.

So presumably, all the players on T1 servers are more skilled than you are?

No, but if we were to transfer to T1, we’d have a harder time than on T2.

Ah so basically you’re stating that you are more skilled then everyone else in this game, got it.

..What?.. some real logic there…

I wish people would stop following me. Seriously though, if they’re not rude about it maybe you should have the same courtesy and just let them do their thing.

Xephens.3217:

The only valid reason groups dont want you to follow them is because the enemy can rally on your death. On the other hand let the enemy rally is something you shouldnt allow in the first place by finishing off downed players.

The enemy can rally on anyone’s death. What makes it elitist is the assumption that this random joiner is going to die before any of us do. Some guy they don’t know can’t possibly be a better player than the people on their team.

These groups need to get over themselves.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Convenant.7092:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Convenant.7092:

Because we’ve been on T7, found it too easy, moved to T5, found it too easy, moved to T4, found it too easy, moved to T3, found it too easy, moved to T2… and we met our match.

So presumably, all the players on T1 servers are more skilled than you are?

No, but if we were to transfer to T1, we’d have a harder time than on T2.

Ah so basically you’re stating that you are more skilled then everyone else in this game, got it.

T1 generally mean cream of the crop. zerg/gank/duels etc.

Niim.9260:

The game does not prioritize buffs/heals/cleanse based on group first, which means when we go up against a tough fight and I am trying to remove my groups conditions to keep them in the fight, it is a negative impact to have someone in the middle of our group sucking up something I intended for another.

It is elitist to intend something for another when another ally could use it just as much. The other implication being that you withhold support when an ally could use it but you instead save it for when your friend needs it. IOW you probably let the other guy die for no better reason than he isn’t in your group. That’s pretty elitist too.

Its to do with the size of the zergballs running around the map and the times they tend to be on.

In the end it comes down to DPS caps vs rally/res from downed mechanics.

How much damage can your team safely output and to how many targets simultaneously? Players have a tonne of health in downed state so small teams have to learn stomp game and safe stomping but heres the rub. Stomping is a 4 second stationary cast. You sacrifice freedom of movement to do it.

The problem is when your opponent runs a critical mass of players with specific builds moving in formation so they can have unconditional freedom of movement. They need enough group swiftness, stability, cleanse conditions and condition transfer in a critical mass of players that know what they are doing.

In essence, a larger structured team. At that point its DPS cap vs res from downed state.

At some point your 5 man can dump all its damage and put every offensive skill on cooldown + blow all escapes to get out alive, but the other team can just rez up faster than you can finish. Or theres enough players left to finish one of your own and rally 10 allies.

I mean if you are fighting a 20 vs 20 with similar levels of structure and pre planning and both teams have very good positioning then there are enough constants to use the word skill and say it like it means something.

10 vs 20 doesn’t work with these constants. The 20 man needs to be doing things very wrong for a much smaller team to overcome the wall that is downed state. If you want to go up against that wall, none of the allies near you can die. Thats probably the most important thing. If one of you dies, they get a free rally and its over.

I talked to Hackuuna about things like this a few times and I think we were on the same page. I’m curious to see what you guys are up to these days. I should drop by in mumble a bit more (but last time we played I felt you needed to consistently run 10 mans instead of 5 mans and probably a little bit more). And yeah with the way a group like this works, you pretty much have to avoid allies.

Leablo.2651:

Xephens.3217:

The only valid reason groups dont want you to follow them is because the enemy can rally on your death. On the other hand let the enemy rally is something you shouldnt allow in the first place by finishing off downed players.

The enemy can rally on anyone’s death. What makes it elitist is the assumption that this random joiner is going to die before any of us do. Some guy they don’t know can’t possibly be a better player than the people on their team.

These groups need to get over themselves.

Start dealing with reality, buddy. Not everyone’s on the same skill level.

Convenant.7092:

capmasterflash.5690:

I can’t help but think of AoN as trolls. They just pick of the pugs that are stupid enough to follow them. The self-respecting guilds do not fight AoN.

Is that why the 35 man TSL zerg chased us for half the map, then got wiped?

This never happened. You are delusional.

I don’t need someone to talk about me to post in a thread on the public forums.

Acelerion.6820:

People that follow us without being in ventrilo, especially up levels, are little more than rally bait. I’ve been burned too many times. So if you want to hug someone’s nuts its polite to ask first.

Rally bait, lol