Guild Wars 2

Their squad – their rules.

lmperdigao.2567:

You guys must be joking that Discord is better than TS for WvW purposes lol.
Discord latency and sound quality is worse. Discord capture and sells your personal info. While Discord also have bots and such, TS ones like auto-verification that are super useful aren’t there yet. Discord admin control options are also way behind in comparsion to TS.
All these features where TS is ahead of Discord are kitten important to a server-wide VOIP. While Discord is great because it’s free and easier to use (I use it a lot for small things), to large scale WvW, TS is clearly better.

Discord can and does allow for self-verify, as we use it on JQ discord. Works the same as the ts self-verify. We truly do not have any issues using it as a server-wide voip for wvw. While ts is better for you, discord is better for us. Just depends on your perspective.

While the commander absolutely has the freedom to build a squad as they like, I’d like to point out that if you still want to run with a large group of people there’s nothing they can do to stop you from following and fighting with the tag. If they’re communicating through TS you probably aren’t missing any instructions you wouldn’t have missed anyway.

Eater of Peeps.9062:

However, when I read about WvW, GW touts that players work with commander teams (this game play is unique/exciting/expected). Roaming solo in WvW amounts to nothing more than running/getting picked off endlessly (unless in a havoc group, in which case, you won’t be capping SM or keeps).

So, running with zergs is not only beneficial to the server (esp as necro), but is only viable form of play in WvW. GW touts this play form as uniquely attractive. Its the only way players can immerse in full WvW experience – running with zerg to capture enemy bases.

Last nite, only one commander was on when I played. After running with the zerg team for hours, he kicked me and refused to let me rejoin. I asked if I’d done anything wrong. He said no. He wanted everyone on TS. I don’t have TS, can’t access it or listen to it for personal reasons. Yet, it helps me to run with the team, as I can read team comments and links, glean plans and follow zerg to successfully help team without TS.

I don’t understand how not having a 3rd party app makes it ok for commander to kick me from the only zerg/commander run zerg on the map.

I thought this game mode was available to all players – that we can all participate in the zerg/commander/capture enemy bases experience. If GW2 has become a TS only/team only game, why advertise it as a solo player-friendly game?

This seems deceptive. I play and bought the game solo. The game said I could play solo, but that’s not the case. I can PVE solo, but nothing else. PVP is team-based (I love new feature letting solo joiners join players immediately post match). Most teams/pvp guilds require TS. Raiding is impossible without TS.

I feel if TS/3rd party app is functionally a requirement of 90% of game experience (to raid, play PVP and WvW), why is GW2 not advertising this fact on its products, official website, wiki pages, and forums?

It’s frustrating. I want to play the game. I feel I am being discriminated or prejudiced against, and advertising has not been truthful. If I need TS to run a raid, engage in PVP or WvW, or to experience these game modes to any reasonable extent (how do I capture a keep without a zerg), why is this not stated prior to purchase?

I asked this in chat last nite – players said to play at other times with friendlier commanders. I can’t play other times. I can understand kicking cuz you don’t have a certain game requirement, but to kick cuz you don’t have access to a 3rd party app seems ridiculous and prejudicial, especially against poor or disabled people (like the deaf). I could understand if there are other options available, or other commanders/zergs, but there was only one choice – so it was get TS and get to play or get lost – go do something else, play some other time, get killed running, to try to solo cap supply camps and ogres all night.

This seems harsh, unnecessary and discriminatory. I was surprised at how nasty and rude players were. I asked why I’d been kicked, explained I can’t access TS, and asked if I was doing something wrong. I was told I was fine and done nothing wrong but commander required TS to join (after running with team for hours). People got really ugly defending commander’s decision. One said I was getting free bags. I resent this – I worked hard to win, played hard and contributed a lot. I offered to give my bags to commander or other players cuz I just wanted to help BG win.

Please explain why the game says you can play all these modes, but the reality is different. I’m not trying to be a troll. I’m trying to understand. Please keep rude responses to yourself – I’m looking for helpful explanations. Thanks.

Whilst I understand why you were kicked, personally I wouldn’t have as I don’t condone it myself.

Another thing is that havoc groups (as little kitten ppl) can take keeps and SM. About a month(ish) ago I took 3 other guildies and a pug and took a keep (defended by a few players) and even got to the lord of the 2nd keep. I also commanded 10 people and took SM from a server who had about 7 -8 people defending it. It is possible, it all depends on the commanders experience and strategies. (I personally have a strat that is pretty solid, even if we knock a wall down but get pushed out and has a 80%ish success rate, but ive been WvW on and off since I started 3.75 years ago and seen what real strategies are that don’t involve blobbing).

Point is, havoc groups can do big things as they can move around the field with less chances of getting detected compared to a zerg. You don’t always have to be in a zerg (but it helps). Pop a tag, tell people what you are doing and once you get enough people, have at it.

Eater of Peeps.9062:

I’ve always been on BG. I don’t care about bags. I prefer to capture enemy properties and get achieves, rather than bag accumulate. I run with BG zerg to help win. I like to win and play game as intended. I think GW did a great job creating its game.

Last nite, only one commander was on when I played. After running with the zerg team for hours, he kicked me and refused to let me rejoin.

Don’t bother spending 300g on buying a pin as some have suggested. If you want some real fun transfer to Maguuma and kill the person that offended you from the other side. Serve up some good old fashioned justice will be very gratifying. Far more gratifying than coming on this forum and posting.

You’re even one of the few PPT players left on BG and they don’t even appreciate it…..
smh

Spurnshadow.3678:

Looking at the timing of this post and the feedback I got from others, that was probably me commanding.

First off, I had no idea that OP was talking or saying anything because I have him on my ignore list. I remember him complaining ad nausium about one thing or another and being very poisonous. So, if you felt ignored by me, it wasn’t direct, it’s something inadvertent because I got tired of your endless vitriol from a long time ago.

The most important thing for me, and I mostly only do this in EB, is knowing who I can count on. If people are in TS, I know that people are going to be following my movements. Big fights require fast movement. Any delay, even a few seconds, can mean death. Also, I can communicate where I’m going longer term. I can get immediate feedback, I can count on what supply I have in squad and know that if I need something built, the people in squad, and in TS will get it built.

EB has been full of people not playing on tag, following directions, or not wanting to join TS for one reason or another. I can’t count on those folks. Commanding EB not in TS is not enjoyable to me. If I try to fight, they mostly run away.

Heck, even if people are in TS, but consitantly off tag, not scouting, not contributing, and are people I don’t know, I’ll kick them too.

It’s also a way to try to get people into TS. There are so many new players to WvW, some don’t even know we have a community TS. It can be very enriching to the WvW experience and provide more success.

I myself don’t like being in TS sometimes. Some groups chatter endlessly. I hate that. My suggestion to those of you who feel similar to me is to put your mute button on a hot key and un-mute when you get into a fight.

In the end, it’s the commanders prerogative. I’m here to have fun, just like you. I do not exist to sacrifice my fun for you. I did not sign a contract with Anet to be inclusive to every player in my squad. Fun for me, when commanding EB, is to have a closed squad and know that I can count on those people. If you don’t like it, don’t follow, or follow with the others, and do your best. Or go to another map, or start your own squad. If you don’t want to get in TS, fine. Just don’t expect to be in my squad while on EB.

lmperdigao.2567:

You guys must be joking that Discord is better than TS for WvW purposes lol.
Discord latency and sound quality is worse. Discord capture and sells your personal info. While Discord also have bots and such, TS ones like auto-verification that are super useful aren’t there yet.

This again! Discord does have verify bots, some servers are using them.

My mistake then. I didn’t know.
Something else that bothered me on Discord and I forgot to mention is that there’s no whispers/C-coms, what is pretty important. Or does Discord also now have something similar to it?

All the so-called bots are made by people, is just the matter if people willing to share it. Also, to answer your question, it doesn’t and discord does not has nested channel yet either. The only good things are you don’t have to deal with ddos, free and convenient. The last time I see JQ’s discord, it doesn’t has their usual 100+ people like they had on their ts3, perhaps all their guilds use their own discord and no longer centralised like ts3. JQ is fragmented in that case.

I also wonder, what other servers actually use discord other than JQ.

lmperdigao.2567:

My mistake then. I didn’t know.
Something else that bothered me on Discord and I forgot to mention is that there’s no whispers/C-coms, what is pretty important. Or does Discord also now have something similar to it?

It definitely has whispers, and you can make private channels/secondary servers for C-coms.