Guild Wars 2

… when it comes to what you can achieve and gain, compared to the things you can achieve and gain in PvE?

I think its time for the devs to do a revamp of many of the things you can “achieve” in WvW and to use PvE as a guideline. The 2 biggest imo are the following:

- Achievement points

I spend most of my time in game doing WvW. In fact, I leveled a character from 1 to 80 just doing WvW. And yet, I only have a mere 50 or so achievement points from WvW. On the flip side, over got near 2800 points from the only average amount of PvE ive done (No where near world completion either). Ive played in about 10 sPvP matches, and have 63 achievement points from that. WvW achievements need a complete overhall. Someone who spends a ton of time in WvW should be able to acquire a lot of WvW based achievements and points.

There really is no reason why WvW cant have a TON more achievements and points available to players who invest their time in it. The few achievements that do exist, have standards set to such high levels that you could do PvE 50 times over again and still finish before another person managed to get the WvW achievements.

- Gold and items

The sheer difference between money earning abilities in WvW and PvE are astronomical. Why the devs are so scared of letting rare and exotic items drop more frequently in WvW is just a complete mystery. Clearly, they dont have problems with players getting tons of rares, and frequent exotics in PvE. I can run a couple fractals and walk away with more valuable items than I would from 5 hours of WvW. And thats with 0% MF gear.

The sheer lack of rare drops especially, makes it a huge task for WvW players to acquire ectos. Lack of drops also contributes to WvW players not earning much Gold, hindering their ability to buy lacking materials from the Market. Its not that WvW doesnt earn any money, its simply that the rate at which you earn it in WvW is so much lower in comparison to PvE, when there really isnt a reason for it to be.

Both of these things make WvW gameplay feel hindered by the way the devs have set it up. Is WvW supposed to be something that supports a primary gameplay style? Or is it just supposed to be a side activity you do? If its meant to be a complete gameplay experience for those who dont like PvE, then it needs to feel balanced and equally as rewarding as PvE.

WvW players shouldnt feel like they need to go run dungeons just to be able to have the money to buy runes for their gear, or ectos to buy the ascended items they want. WvW players shouldnt feel that their days and days of playing WvW has amounted to a ridiculous 50-80 achievement points when someone can work 10% as hard in PvE and walk away with 500 points.

Its time to start tipping the scale to bring WvW up to the same level as PvE when it comes to the 2 things mentioned above. Im sure there is more that could be touched on, but I feel these 2 things should be the main focus to start with.

I agree that we should be able to get gold faster in wvw or give us some type of other currency that we can get the good stuff with. As for achievements I don’t really care to much about them.

because WvW is so much better than PvE. PvE needs all those things, just to keep it tolerable. if it didn’t have those rewards, few people would do it.

WvW remains fun even without that stuff. unfortunately for us.

-ken

Valik Shin.9027:

I agree that we should be able to get gold faster in wvw or give us some type of other currency that we can get the good stuff with. As for achievements I don’t really care to much about them.

Achievements have no point, other than personal goal. They dont affect the game mechanics one bit. Which is why its even more confusing as to why Anet didnt create a larger, better group of WvW based Achievements for those of us who do care about them. They could have created 1000 of them, and it wouldnt have broken gameplay, messed with balance, or altered the mechanics of the game in any way or fashion.

I agree with the OP. My two level 80 characters are stuck in rare gear because it still takes far too long to earn enough badges and gold in WvW to purchase exotic gear (unless you do the jumping puzzle, which I refuse to do on principle). Grinding PvE dungeons is not an option for me as I don’t have enough free time anymore to waste on such tedious activities. Why is it that WvW players are treated as untermensch when it comes to rare/exotic drops?

They didn’t even give us unique skins in the so called “wvw patch”. Yet guild missions got a new look for every single weapon in the game. I was waiting for some truly bad kitten armor for WvW and we got level 10 karma looks added.

In my opinion, all capture events should reward a chest. Camps guarantee 1 green, towers 2 greens or a rare, keeps at least 1 rare, SMC an exotic. Would this unbalance the economy? Would it ruin WvW with people rushing to each keep capture for the chest? Would it push zerging to an absurd level? I don’t know, but rewards in wvw definitely need something done.

I’ve seen idiocy in games that reward captures. Tol Barad in WoW ring any bells?

Then make it equally rewarding to defend..

I don’t have an issue with the gold accumulation, I have fun, and that’s more important to me than increased rewards. But, on the flip side, I would love to have a use more my Badges of Honor. I have the weapons and armor I need.

We were told we’d be able to get Ascended items with badges, but that hasn’t happened. Ectos, laurels, pristine relics, commendations, and gold can be used to get Ascended gear, but my badges gather dust.

Valik Shin.9027:

I agree that we should be able to get gold faster in wvw or give us some type of other currency that we can get the good stuff with. As for achievements I don’t really care to much about them.

With you in spirit but we do not need another currency/token/Trophy thing.

Chillin with 32 stacks of badges.

Q_Q Need awesome unique skins

There was someone complaining that WvW got more titles than everyone else…..of course they didn’t seem to realise that nobody can actually achieve any of our titles.

Why has that not been changed?

Esprit Dumort.3109:

I don’t have an issue with the gold accumulation, I have fun, and that’s more important to me than increased rewards. But, on the flip side, I would love to have a use more my Badges of Honor. I have the weapons and armor I need.

We were told we’d be able to get Ascended items with badges, but that hasn’t happened. Ectos, laurels, pristine relics, commendations, and gold can be used to get Ascended gear, but my badges gather dust.

Is fine for you to say Esprit! I seen you toting around that Anomaly and whisperblade! You betrayed us for PvE!

I very very strongly agree with the OP, my thief main was carrying rares all his life and recently still has rare weapons despite temple armour when I revisited him; I had to reclothe him in beserkers gear for cof, am now in debt to my friend for 30g :/

I got my guardian gear in HotW after many painstaking and boring runs, took me around 3 months to fully acquire, I now have to do CoF speed clear to get anything near decent money and because I want ‘Firebringer’, which is a completely ridiculous goal for a WvW player to have, let alone anything with charged lodestones. I expect to get it in a week now, thanks to CoF, but it doesn’t mean I don’t hate that it’s mandatory to go play PvE for a few hours every day doing the same hint over and over for a few gold just so I can have something I like the skin of. Don’t even get me started on getting a transmutation stone for it after -.-

The hard, unfair truth is, WvW players can’t have ‘nice things’.

Devon, please please please for the sake of the kittens and every WvW player who looks upon PvErs wielding legendaries, thinks I’ll see what that costs, looks and goes into a coma for the rest of his life – for every WvW player who can’t buy anything outside a 3G price range whilst spending his hard earned and grinded money to protect his homeland from Invaders via siege weapon defences, to upgrade his server’s forts to keep them safe from an unknown enemy, read. This. Thread!

-breaks down sobbing in corner-

[rant over]

I hear Devon is collecting the tears of WvW’rs, and through a mix of science and magic, turning them into gold. With that gold he is going to build a space ship and fly us all to a galaxy made of pure awesome where we will live out our days in perfect WvW’ness.

If you just give him a little bit more time we’ll see those changes you’re after. One step at a time folks. One step at a time.

Ross Biddle.2367:

I hear Devon is collecting the tears of WvW’rs, and through a mix of science and magic, turning them into gold. With that gold he is going to build a space ship and fly us all to a galaxy made of pure awesome where we will live out our days in perfect WvW’ness.

If you just give him a little bit more time we’ll see those changes you’re after. One step at a time folks. One step at a time.

So- so- so beautiful!

-breaks down sobbing in happiness-

chronometria.3708:

There was someone complaining that WvW got more titles than everyone else…..of course they didn’t seem to realise that nobody can actually achieve any of our titles.

TRY HARDER! (grin)

I think someone did a calculation with getting the final title for capturing SM, and his conclusion was that it would take like a few million years to get that title if you spend every second of your life in wvw.

To be honest, I hope that Anet adds more resources to the wvw team. Pvp has been the end game for many of the previous mmos and gw2 is no different. I don’t do any pve content and I’m still playing because of wvw. I have friends who have quit after 2 months because all they did was pve and it got stale very fast for them since there’s nothing to do after lvl 80.

WVW feeds our inner King. It is our ID or how we feel about our character. So, that’s why we want more stuff added to it. But as for now, it’s pretty cool. Just slow changes not drastic ones will make it better.

Rawnoodles.1398:

Chillin with 32 stacks of badges.

Q_Q Need awesome unique skins

Or we could build an army of a 100 golems

I don’t understand why they don’t just make our WXP rank available as titles. It seems like such an obvious and simple solution to a number of peoples issues atm.