Guild Wars 2

During prime time there are normally Q’s for every map, minimum 1 commander per BL, around 100 people on TS including the various BL’s squads and guild wvw channels.

Today however: totally out-manned on every map, no-one speaking in our server teamspeak, no commanders anywhere except 1 guy for 20mins and then he left, no organisation at all, extremely low numbers on all maps, some maps appeared to have no-one at all.

What the hell is going on? I’ve never seen anything like this in a year of WvW-ing.

not sure which server your own but i would bet its the same as mine. They are all out of WvW and killing dragons in PVE. had over 300+ in voip.. 10 of us in wvw .. rest in pve .. i can honestly say i have never seen that many in the pve channels.

what server? you do know that bloodlust really created an unbalanced environment. alot of people probably wont be in WvW until it is fixed.

There’s thing thing called TQ, where everyone is trying to organize and kill it. Seems like a server pride thing.

W/c server you at by the way?

Also heard of some servers trying to throw their ratings for the sake of dropping to silver league. Don’t know the validity, so it may just be a rumor, but as it has happened on my server before (avoiding wvw to drop in ratings), the precedent is there.

What server are you on? For some servers, it’s a bad match-up plus the bloodlust debacle causing people to not bother logging on.

Any type of gameplay is unplayable in WvW at this point. The lag is beyond ridiculous levels. Therefore, I won’t be playing WvW during this crap.

I doubt I’m the only person feeling this way. Explains the “lack of numbers” you might be seeing.

People might not be playing because they’re frustrated with either lag or the bloodlust change. They also might be busy playing with Teakettle.

I think people get frustrated with the new Bloodlust that buffs the already stronger World. They play for a few minutes and then log off. Yesterday we had problems getting more than 10 people together for taking a tower, and got stomped by a much larger Bloodlust herd.

Your first problem is caring more about the quality of this game than the development leadership.

Your second problem is your not playing living story content, grinding out your ascended gear, nor farming achievement points. You know it’s fun because ANet says it is. Have fun like they say you like to have fun, because they know better than you do when it comes to what you do or do not enjoy. Smile! Laugh! It’s Fun! We’re All Having Fun, Right!? RIGHT!?

Your third problem is you’re posting legitimate concerns about the direction of Guild Wars 2 on these forums. If Devon Carver genuinely cared about what was on these forums you wouldn’t have made this thread.

Soon all WvW servers will be ghost towns: top tiers for nothing to do, low tiers for not being anything but zerg food. Guild Wars 2 is on a fast track to industry irrelevance in terms of all things PvP.

Now if you’ll excuse me I have some new Skyrim mods to play with while the WvW team gets ready to implement league play to WvW, just so I’ll already be accustomed to gaming in the post “GW2-is-worth-playing” era.

idk we have zerg running every day in wvw, must be just your server

Kalan.9705:

During prime time there are normally Q’s for every map, minimum 1 commander per BL, around 100 people on TS including the various BL’s squads and guild wvw channels.

Today however: totally out-manned on every map, no-one speaking in our server teamspeak, no commanders anywhere except 1 guy for 20mins and then he left, no organisation at all, extremely low numbers on all maps, some maps appeared to have no-one at all.

What the hell is going on? I’ve never seen anything like this in a year of WvW-ing.

I would love to switch my 2 hour queue to your situation. Because I only play 2 hours per evening, tops.

I think you can blame living story and the easy champ rewards for the emptiness in wvw. I still cannot believe how bad the rewards are in wvw. In gw1 the pvp zaishen keys were always worth a lot and made pvp regulars very wealthy players.

Desolation was EU ranked 3rd for a short time.Now they are ticking with 55 points.Worse than the baddest of bad days.

I think Deso has said to WvW “smell you later.”

lucky you,
Q’ing for hours each evening & random dc’s on top of that

On EU its boring and anoying – no balanced matches anymore in all brackets

always 1 server stomp the others with nightcapping, golemrushes every morning or just masses

in EU only on reset night ppl play on all servers – other days in week the 2 loser servers go farm pve or other games and just dont care

they rly should stop to add stupid things and start FINALY to make this gamemode somehow balanced

GTA 5 anyone?

Trick.9370:

GTA 5 anyone?

No thanks. Waiting for PC version.

Romek.4201:

On EU its boring and anoying – no balanced matches anymore in all brackets

The EU servers have always had a different playstyle from the NA servers. What I have noticed is how EU servers prefer to fight out in the open rather than siege up keeps/towers.

Bloodlust, in my opinion, helps NA servers but not EU servers.
In NA servers, people are serious about defending keeps and towers with a massive array with siege weaponry.
If you are defending keeps, the expectation is the attackers will gain the bloodlust buffs and then attack the defended keep or tower with an added advantage. The defenders can then weigh the options, get out there and reclaim the bloodlust buff or hold out defensively.

In EU servers, only a select few servers play in the NA mentality. The rest care more about massive open warfare. As a result, the Bloodlust buff hurts the EU mentality because the side with Bloodlust is greatly benefited.

Hence why this Bloodlust buff seems to drive away EU players more than NA. They are being railroaded against their wishes into playing the NA style.

The weekend effect shows quite clearly what the EU servers are about. During the weekends, everyone gets on and has a big massive fight. Weekdays, we know people are working and there are fewer quality fights to be had, so people stay out.

Unplayable lag and a 20 FPS drop in the centre of the map doesn’t exactly help.

On a lot of forums people are talking about why they are not playing WvW as much as they did before, some of the reasons are:

1. Bloodlust ruined it we do not fight on equal terms anymore even in a 20 vs 20 fight.
2. Servers with a high WvW population will win even more and get less restistance from medium or low populated WvW servers, because of the match up and the bloodlust.
3. Some servers seem to try to keep their position because of the league system.
4. Lag issues and random d/c
5. Lets kill TQ.

Empty? Are ques for all four maps normal then, cause that is what is happening on the server I play on at given times of each day?

For over a year now I have looked for every moment I could to play GW2 with my friends in WvW. Investing HUGE amounts of time and some real $$ into this game because I like it so much. I have 9 lvl 80’s and a 40 something? Almost 40k kills in WvW and Im one of the guys with low kill stats in my guild. I feel like the guild I belong to is known for its WvW presence. In NA-prime we (at best) put together 3 five mans at our peek but 2 is more the norm on good nights. In the past other guilds/ players have looked for members or our guild for “The good fight”. We are community oriented in that we frequent these forums, our servers webpage and most belong to the same independent gaming webpage.
Where am I trying to go with all the rambling above?
Over night my guild has disintegrated with members moving to new games, over to PVE (grudgingly), or are just taking a break.
I busted my hump to make my shiny new ascended staff for my mesmer and even though I could not get my mats in WvW as easily as PVE. I was looking forward to making my next ascended weapon. These things I do to support the people I enjoy playing this game with and now it looks like they may not be there to WvW.
For my part I like the looks of the changes to the center of the borderlands maps but that is it. The rest of the patch dose not make sense or feel like a good fit to me.
I know it is a numbers thing and the good folks at Anet try to do right by the majority of their customers and I respect that. My hope is that whatever lies ahead will bring my server, my guild, and my friends back to a game we all have enjoyed so much.

Just had to say something,
Ox

Pretty sure it can’t be new pve content e.g. Teakettle, because not even the 24/7 queens pavilion farm fest had anything like this impact on numbers, or guilds or commanders.

It’s like everyone ask just gave up at the same time, it’s bizarre!

Kalan.9705:

It’s like everyone ask just gave up at the same time, it’s bizarre!

Who… oh WHO could have predicted this?

I can barely bring my self to play 1 hour of WvW at a time, before I would 6 hour binge play. Since the patch I haven’t enjoyed it nearly as much as I used to. Partly because of the lag and partly because of blood lust.

yeah fa bl normally gets steamrolled with attacks during oceanics.yesterday our map was empty and the only time an attack happened it was like 15 people…. and our ts was almost empty…..this is concerning

Kain BL is usually fighting one larger zerg of a dedicated guild along with 2-3 roaming groups.

Like 6 of us were playing around tonight… saw I think 3 people. 1 from GoM and 2 from SF.

Kalan.9705:

Pretty sure it can’t be new pve content e.g. Teakettle, because not even the 24/7 queens pavilion farm fest had anything like this impact on numbers, or guilds or commanders.

It’s like everyone ask just gave up at the same time, it’s bizarre!

Pretty sure Queens-circuit doesn’t cause triple overflows, completely impenetrable home server instances and even overflows, or have near two hundred people in TS concurrently.

Lots of people are doing Tequatl, deal with it.

Everybody is akitteng for an hour to get into Teq or spamming to join someone in SPark Fly for an hour or 2.

Ostra.3927:

Kain BL is usually fighting one larger zerg of a dedicated guild along with 2-3 roaming groups.

Like 6 of us were playing around tonight… saw I think 3 people. 1 from GoM and 2 from SF.

Well thats 3 more people than i saw in Sf/GoM Bls. WvW is dead for us right now.

WvW is so empty because everyones moving to SPvP, I hear this is an E-sport and us … the players are finally catching on ………………………………………………

Even on JQ Ive noticed something was a bit off, though I haven’t played but once since the update myself.

Nuzt.7894:

WvW is so empty because everyones moving to SPvP, I hear this is an E-sport and us … the players are finally catching on ………………………………………………

sPvP is crap. Play some other games instead. There’s a ton of good ones out there.

Kalan.9705:

Pretty sure it can’t be new pve content e.g. Teakettle, because not even the 24/7 queens pavilion farm fest had anything like this impact on numbers, or guilds or commanders.

It’s like everyone ask just gave up at the same time, it’s bizarre!

Except this time the new PvE content is suitable for large co-ordinated groups for once, and it rode in on the shoulders of bloodlust buffs and lag which seems to be associated with keeping bloodlust buffs updated (or something – I always seemed to get spikes of it as the icon was blinking at me).

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Nuzt.7894:

WvW is so empty because everyones moving to SPvP, I hear this is an E-sport and us … the players are finally catching on ………………………………………………

sPvP is crap. Play some other games instead. There’s a ton of good ones out there.

Yet not too many like GW2 sPvP. I actually like sPvP, but it’s too repetitive in GW2. Need more diversity. I’ve got some diversity now that I can go bloodlust roaming, but more would still not hurt.

Hope the emptiness is result of people not playing due to the bloodlust buff
That is the sole reason i have not stepped into WvW since the patch.

Remove kittened stat boost and i (and many other players i’m sure) will come back

I stopped playing the past two nights after the position lag (which is still there) would not allow me to close gaps to where my actual opponent was.

Nothing like stealing and winding up 15 feet away from your target, steal on cooldown, nothing stolen, and now a sitting duck.

I have no clue what they did, but something got seriously boned.

Gathslan.1870:

Hope the emptiness is result of people not playing due to the bloodlust buff
That is the sole reason i have not stepped into WvW since the patch.

Remove kittened stat boost and i (and many other players i’m sure) will come back

Could be, but I would bet it’s the new Tequila.

After all, on invasion weeks WvW was empty too, except for those 15 minutes between the invasions.

Could be just me but WvW doesn’t feel the same.

Tom Gore.4035:

Could be, but I would bet it’s the new Tequila.

After all, on invasion weeks WvW was empty too, except for those 15 minutes between the invasions.

To some extent yes. You will have the cross over players and the sometimes when we are winning wvw players that left to do Teq.

But what we are seeing out there is the dedicated WvW guilds not showing up. During the invasions they ignored Scarlet to stay in WvW… now they are just not logging in.

At 21 UK time last night we were outmanned on the BL I was on, usually there’s a 1h queue at that point.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Nuzt.7894:

WvW is so empty because everyones moving to SPvP, I hear this is an E-sport and us … the players are finally catching on ………………………………………………

sPvP is crap. Play some other games instead. There’s a ton of good ones out there.

obvious joke was obvious dude. everyone already knows sPVP is crap.

Even in legendary mmo mistakes like SWG’s CU / NGE or UO’s AoS I’ve never seen a population change like this. Those changes were much more far reaching. New content normally means more people trying it out before they decide.

I do not know. I can just confirm. My server is empty as well.
Honestly it fits my GW2 mood and the fact that I am waiting for a graphics card replacement. I needed a break.

maybe the tequatl thing is causing this too atm. we will see todays reset na how it goes

iAmTheDuke.6201:

Could be just me but WvW doesn’t feel the same.

I agree…. it doesn’t. It feels cheapened.

I’m curious to see if NA reset will change anything.

aspirine.6852:

I think you can blame living story and the easy champ rewards for the emptiness in wvw. I still cannot believe how bad the rewards are in wvw. In gw1 the pvp zaishen keys were always worth a lot and made pvp regulars very wealthy players.

There have been multiple guilds and players that have, for the most part, organized a WvW boycott this week in response to Devon Carter’s comments in a now deleted post. Most WvW players do very little PVE, so the fact that some of them actually are playing PVE is a by-product of a less desirable quality of WvW content at present.