Guild Wars 2

Can someone from Anet explain to me why I should have to pay IRL money or in game gold to move servers because the WvW server I am on is so quiet it is imbalanced with the other servers it plays against.
I like to PLAY gw’s. My playing is WvW which means I do not have in game gold to move servers and neither do a number of people I know. Why does this mode and only this mode have possible extra expense that you do not see in other game modes? Why should I have to farm for hours (which I would hate) to be able to move servers? And IF I did move am I guaranteed that I will not have to again. Why is the onus on the WvW players and not on the mode to be fixed? And how does all this moving help the people who are left behind? How does it help the casual players? How does it help the new players? Why is there this pushing to farm farm farm? Why can’t some of us be left to play cos its fun not for the drops (cos WvW does not give much lets face it) and not have to worry the next time we log on more people we have been playing with have moved servers? Come on Anet staff, I challenge you to play for a month in T9 and see the reality of WvW

Because if you didn’t have to pay WvW would be completely destroyed due to people just moving from server to server just to keep winning every week. We had quite some time without transfer fees back at release, and it was not especially nice nor was it good for the gamemode as a whole.

T9 is not the reality of WvW. The reality of WvW could best be seen in the middle tiers, not on the top or on the bottom.

I have been playing on the same server since I started GW’s so I don’t see not moving as a problem. We were not always a T9 server it just shows how much servers can move about because people jump ship or chase the prize. Some of us just want to play and have fun without being constantly steamrollered

But removing the server transfer cost will not do what you want it to do.
It will just make it even MORE steamrolly. Because people will move to the current best server, so that no other server stand a chance and so on. It will just end up with a large bunch of more or less completely empty servers and a few completely full servers with hours of queues every single day.

Just give people 1 free Transfer every 6 month Problem solved

Removing the server cost TOWARDS lower tiers (with a period where you couldn’t move again after transferring) could however boost transfers and maybe revitalize wvw there with guilds taking “saving the server” as a challenge.

I guess the point here is: Since “apparently” Anet will not move to help us in any way, why should we be the ones to pay extra just to play WvW as it was promised to us when when we first bought the game 2 years (and a rytlock statue) ago.

That or merging us to reduce the number of servers…. I dunno at this point the lack of interest in wvw by Anet is just too much depressing for me.

You can earn the money in game… No you won’t in just a few days, but you can earn it, so that you yourself won’t have to buy gems. Yes it will mean you can’t play WvW to get the gold, but it is doable within the game.

Server merges wouldn’t actually solve anything, except ticking off others. What about the people on those servers that don’t want blobs? Think about those that moved to get away from them. I myself paid not long ago to get away from the bs and drop tiers. Solo and small group roaming was nonexistent, at every hour of the day, despite people saying that’s mostly what was there. They were delusional or lying. I was unwillingly moved up in tiers into that mess, but I most certainly willingly left it.

Free transfers created a lot of the mess of NA, and then when they did it again, it was just adding insult to injury.

I had to pay to move down, so why shouldn’t you pay to move up? And no, nothing is guaranteed if you were to move, just as staying isn’t going to guarantee you will always be in the situation you dislike now.

There is NO ONE playing. NO ONE. Plus at the moment there are hackers in Blacktide.

I’m not sure there is a worse situation than this. You want small groups? Come in Underworld you’ll love it.

You moved by choice. We are gonna be forced to move out because we can’t freagin play a kitten gamemode we PAID for when we got the game.

Plz do not compare our situations.

DiscoJacen.1590:

Removing the server cost TOWARDS lower tiers (with a period where you couldn’t move again after transferring) could however boost transfers and maybe revitalize wvw there with guilds taking “saving the server” as a challenge.

I guess the point here is: Since “apparently” Anet will not move to help us in any way, why should we be the ones to pay extra just to play WvW as it was promised to us when when we first bought the game 2 years (and a rytlock statue) ago.

That or merging us to reduce the number of servers…. I dunno at this point the lack of interest in wvw by Anet is just too much depressing for me.

A combination of both solutions would help WvW tremendously imo. Get rid of T8 at the very least, and most probably T7 and T8(NA anyway). Merge T8 into T5 and T7 into T6 in some kind of inverse server relationship. Then at the end of 6 months give people 1 free transfer with the stipulation it be to a lower tier, not a lower server in the same tier.

For EU you could probably merge T9 with T4, T8 with T5, and T7 with T6 the same way. That way you have 6 tiers on both EU and NA leading to a more streamlined WvW.

I love my server, if it was merged with another it would disrupt the community we have on it, i do not wish to see this happen to me or anyone.

As for OP, farm gold in pve, you picked a bad server, shouldve looked at its place in the mos page before picking it. same advice for new people interested in wvw, look at the server ranking and performance before you pick a server.

People pick a server when they first play the game. How are they supposed to know to check mos page before they know the game, the community, etc? Also, I know OP and we both chose Underworld on launch day

DiscoJacen.1590:

There is NO ONE playing. NO ONE. .

I play o.O

Kungsmurfen.2861:

DiscoJacen.1590:

There is NO ONE playing. NO ONE. .

I play o.O

Yes and you count as 2 or 3 at least ;p

VaaCrow.3076:

I love my server, if it was merged with another it would disrupt the community we have on it, i do not wish to see this happen to me or anyone.

As for OP, farm gold in pve, you picked a bad server, shouldve looked at its place in the mos page before picking it. same advice for new people interested in wvw, look at the server ranking and performance before you pick a server.

We picked that server AT LAUNCH dumdum! Look at what people type before commenting ; )

Kungsmurfen.2861:

DiscoJacen.1590:

There is NO ONE playing. NO ONE. .

I play o.O

There is about 10 people max playing at the same time on average including Kungsmurfen who lives in Underwolrds Hills keep.

There : )

DiscoJacen.1590:

Kungsmurfen.2861:

DiscoJacen.1590:

There is NO ONE playing. NO ONE. .

I play o.O

There is about 10 people max playing at the same time on average including Kungsmurfen who lives in Underwolrds Hills keep.

There : )

When sept is not logged in I presume my friends list is broken

Arenanet need to make Money on something, its not cheap to have the servers they run.

DiscoJacen.1590:

There is NO ONE playing. NO ONE. Plus at the moment there are hackers in Blacktide.

I’m not sure there is a worse situation than this. You want small groups? Come in Underworld you’ll love it.

You moved by choice. We are gonna be forced to move out because we can’t freagin play a kitten gamemode we PAID for when we got the game.

Plz do not compare our situations.

And neither could I! So yes I am going to compare situations because it’s the same thing. You can’t play how you want to, and neither could I. It’s just different sides of the same problem. Why should one get special treatment?

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

DiscoJacen.1590:

There is NO ONE playing. NO ONE. Plus at the moment there are hackers in Blacktide.

I’m not sure there is a worse situation than this. You want small groups? Come in Underworld you’ll love it.

You moved by choice. We are gonna be forced to move out because we can’t freagin play a kitten gamemode we PAID for when we got the game.

Plz do not compare our situations.

And neither could I! So yes I am going to compare situations because it’s the same thing. You can’t play how you want to, and neither could I. It’s just different sides of the same problem. Why should one get special treatment?

Clearly you are having a hard time understanding the difference between “how you want” and “at all” kitten . You have kittening players to play with. You inability to roam is dependent on your skills/friends ability to roam, NOT your server’s lack of players.

= It is partially your fault.

We don’t have enough players to do anything. Can you understand the difference?
That you are kitten because you had to pay for something you felt entitled to have is your problem. That does not mean it is similar to our real problem of not being able to play the gamemode at all.

Think HARD before you reply to this one plz.

Frankly I’m with Disco and Amber, first of all the idea of having WvW be “Server vs. Server” was already lazy design in the first place and having a ridiculously expensive server transfer cost is not helping that situation. I understand that they can’t make server transfers free forever since that would destroy WvW, but come on, 1 free transfer per month or two wouldn’t realistically damage anyone that badly, server jumping is greatly exaggerated and yeah it sucks for players who want to get into WvW and can’t because of the server they got put in. And No, “They were free in the past” is not a legitimate excuse since it’s not a new players fault they are just getting into GW2 and picked the first server that wasn’t full. Also don’t even bother bringing up the WoW comparison since to my knowledge what server you are on doesn’t affect how often you can do PvP content in that game too my knowledge, and even if it does isn’t the whole point of GW2 to improve on the MMO genre?

Real question is why do we still have server transfer?

With the megaserver they removed the need for it for PvE, which is what it was really for. But with the megaserver they removed all server pride.

Server pride only exists in WvW.
Server transfer costs are still based on server total population when the only reason to move server now if for WvW.
Transfer costs should reflect WvW rank instead now, but the devs refuse to do that.

Though since PvE players now no longer need to bother changing servers, why should WvW players have to pay?!

This is a good question. Although I’ll say I don’t think Server Transfers should just be free and easy all the time- mostly because I could see this just leading to people spying everywhere, just because they can.

But it would make sense to change the transfer system around after the Megaserver was created, I mean we all know WvW is not super profitable and transfers are expensive. I don’t think worrying about cheaper transfers affecting the balance of WvW is a valid criticism because that balance has already been thrown off so much simply by Anet ignoring problems for so long in the WvW world. I mean guilds already pay to transfer their members whenever their server gets too stale/blobby/empty right now anyway, everyone is transferring to the new best servers every couple months as it is.

But WHY should it be so expensive? Is it doing anything to make us pay so much? It’s not really stopping transfers, it’s not keeping all the servers evenly populated for WvW, so what even is the purpose?

Well you can transfer for free just delete all your characters bud.
Dont forget to put all account bound stuff into personal bank same with all materials since your guild bank will vanish if you dont have a friend that can be in it to keep it active.

DiscoJacen.1590:

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

DiscoJacen.1590:

There is NO ONE playing. NO ONE. Plus at the moment there are hackers in Blacktide.

I’m not sure there is a worse situation than this. You want small groups? Come in Underworld you’ll love it.

You moved by choice. We are gonna be forced to move out because we can’t freagin play a kitten gamemode we PAID for when we got the game.

Plz do not compare our situations.

And neither could I! So yes I am going to compare situations because it’s the same thing. You can’t play how you want to, and neither could I. It’s just different sides of the same problem. Why should one get special treatment?

Clearly you are having a hard time understanding the difference between “how you want” and “at all” kitten . You have kittening players to play with. You inability to roam is dependent on your skills/friends ability to roam, NOT your server’s lack of players.

= It is partially your fault.

We don’t have enough players to do anything. Can you understand the difference?
That you are kitten because you had to pay for something you felt entitled to have is your problem. That does not mean it is similar to our real problem of not being able to play the gamemode at all.

Think HARD before you reply to this one plz.

I’m going to reply despite the time frame because frankly I forgot about the thread and couldn’t be bothered anyways, had more important things to do. But I didn’t want to just let it go after seeing this, I can be stubborn like that.

You got a solution though, lower costs to move to most servers. You could take that?

But do not sit there and think that just because a server isn’t at the bottom tier means there is always an active zerg, or that other servers aren’t going to blob you over with even more.

Not wanting to zerg is more of a want yes, but even on that server I was on, there were often times not a zerg for me to play off of, and given the matchups at the time, there weren’t many in at all. Pretty much not a zerg except for an hour or 2. Most often though, one of the other servers would run around with a big blob.

But I consider going to take a camp with 2 others, and get zerged by 30+ every time to be ‘not at all’. This is why I said I couldn’t play at all either.

Now you can say that ‘well there was a zerg for an hour so therefore you can’t compare it’. Yet I can, unless you play 24/7 and yet still never got to take a thing? Or have people take things for your server? Hmm, looking at income evolution from a couple weeks ago, I see times where even your server was taking things…

Seems like a pretty similar situation to me. No zerg to play off of except at very specific times, not able to take anything without being zerged down by another server no matter the map, attempts to spawn camp, etc. So yes I can compare them.

Perhaps the WvW Pop change will help balance things out, though. Or you can move to another server a bit higher up in WvW rank and see how things go. You’ll still get it far cheaper. Which is fairer though. Higher tiers are more of a ‘want’ right?

Well now I can forget about this again, just as you probably have. Good luck in wherever you go or don’t go. Don’t misunderstand though, I’ve wanted the populations to spread out for as long as I’ve been going in WvW. Many actions should have been taken long ago. And they should not have had the last 2 rounds of free transfers as that did more harm than good. But you should realize everything isn’t necessarily better just because it’s a higher tier.

No, you don’t have to pay real money or grind for hours just to get the 80-90 gold it takes.

Technically, you can also delete all your characters to move servers.

If you have enough tomes and badges, all you’d be replacing is runes, sigils, and jewelry. Tomes come naturally with daily rewards. If you’ve gotten a black lion kit somewhere, you may not have to replace most of these.

Also, you can also just convert your laurels to t6s. If you log in every day, you’ll have more than enough gold in 2 months. It’s not like you’ll be doing anything else with the laurels.

Well as I’ve suggested, there should be a discount of a sorts to help people get off their empty servers. Unfortunately, at this point Anet has just failed many communities and I don’t know if HoT would fix it.

I’m confused.
The major complaint is that if you want to move to a higher tier sever for WvW, you have to pay? Am I getting that right?
Is it too much to open your wallet and pay the $25 bucks? Or whatever it is?
You don’t need to farm for gold, you don’t need to stop what you enjoy doing to make it happen.

@disco

How are you not able to play a game mode you paid for? Are you not able to access WvW? Is it blocked for some reason? Or are you just unhappy with your servers population and lack of interest in WvW? If it’s the latter, why should Anet solve the problem? They can’t force people to play WvW. They gave you tools to be able to transfer, but it comes at a cost. It’s been that way for a very long time, and they’ve also had opportunities to transfer for free. Why didn’t you take advantage of those opportunities? Is that Anets fault?