Guild Wars 2

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

Seigfried.5938:

Oh look, Chris is back to trash BG. He seems to be one of the few here who care about PPT.

On another note, please consider SoR and JQ too. Winning doesn’t mean as much these days because of BG’s clear dominance. This week could be our …………… 14th straight win?

I said BG had skilled guilds and Siggy here says I’m trashing them. Your world is an odd, sad little place.

Saying our guilds are skilled wasn’t the point you were making. Your main point was, we have no right to say we aren’t stacked. But we don’t claim to be ‘not stacked’. Please quote someone here from BG saying that?

Try reading page 1. Page 2/3 are most likely the same.

BG is a joke.

is this thread turning to BG-JQ-SoR match up thread ?

Q: Why are SoR guilds moving to JQ instead of strengthening a T2 server and bringing them up? NA is gonna end up having two Tier 1 servers with a rotating set of T2 servers getting blown out and having BG win by default no matter what. T1 is fun/balanced when there are three T1 servers, after all.

Hello Snacktime,

I have to agree with you to a large extent. We all find our ways to have fun by defining our idea of winning in a game. That said the pve guys are probably laughing at us because they are winning at getting more loot and gold.

Btw, with regards to BG being outmanned, it’s only temporary, the main wvw guilds are prepping for season 2 that’s going to be starting in the next few weeks. So the low ppt in NA and SEA are not good indicators of numbers. BG leadership is making sure all timezones are rested, covered and ready for the pushes.

FW

snacktime.1082:

Reverence.6915:

jojojoon.8607:

Reverence.6915:

Yup, this is correct for any map that the float team isn’t on besides EBG. We usually have 2/4 maps outmanned during Oceanic. I’ll see if I can’t take screenshots tomorrow.

Here we go again with claims that BG is outnumbered in OCX. It’s been explained numerous times on this thread, so at this point, I am assuming you’re pretending to not understand it. There is a reason why people are poking fun at posts that like these that keep saying BG is outnumbered in multiple time zones.

If a map can hold 80 players and BG is able to queue or come close to queing at least 2 maps, it means they have around 160 players covering OCX. They can have one 80-man group defending while the other 80-man group float to different maps to cap things.

SOR, in OCX, typically queues 1 map. They have just 1 float group doing both defending and capping. This means that SOR is typically outnumbered by at least 2 times in OCX.

JQ typically is able to fill up 1 map and have around 15-25 on another map. In other words, BG typically outnumbers JQ by around 40-60 during OCX.

So, please stop claiming BG is outnumbered when BG has 1 or 2 maps that are outmanned during off peak hours when other servers have even less people and more maps outmanned. It makes it even ridiculous if you check the score history for the past 2 months in OCX when BG typically ticks over 300 pts and sometimes almost 400 pts in OCX. A server is not outnumbered in a timezone with those types of scores.

I can tell you why this is the case.

SoR going around early oceanic today with 50-60 man float team first led by Choo, then a mix zerg (led by HIRE?). JQ didn’t really have a presence outside of EBG, but they had around 20-30 in their zerg outside of EBG at best (probably less, first was Pro, then XPK). Our float team was 20-25 people led by OnS. We had 10-15 people on other maps to cap/defend. Any map we would leave would basically get outmanned immediately. Especially after our NA guilds KnT and iCoa tagged down around 1am server time.

Not our fault you don’t break up your zerg. We split up our forces to cap more structures in more maps, resulting in higher PPT. We also really don’t care about EBG, only coming onto the map when our side of the map is getting pushed, floating off almost straight away. I see JQ and SoR numbers in EBG that could form 2-3 float teams to cap other maps. But hey, who am I to tell you how to play. We have fun with our smaller forces regardless.

I’m actually getting tired of the habit Sor has gotten into of just having one large float team. We have become very efficient at it. Even though it’s comprised of a mix of guilds/militia, it operates like a 50 man guild group because we run it so often. Most of these people are from organized guilds also, and almost all are on TS. BG and JQ just don’t have an equivalent single force like this. And it’s not that they couldn’t, they just don’t due to a variety of reasons already stated.

Personally I would prefer to see us split up more, have more small scale fights that are actually challenging and fun, and then combine when we really need to.

Truth is that we do this on Sor for the same reason a lot of people move to BG. People like to win. Those on BG get to win via ppt. Sor has no chance of winning ppt, but found out that having the largest organized force allowed them to win a lot of fights.

I’ve played on both BG and Sor. Both servers think they are ‘winning’. On BG they put down Sor because of how dumb they are at handling PPT. And on Sor they put down BG for how bad they are at fighting. It’s quite comical to listen to these people.

Hello Deli

I spent a week+ in t2. The drop in WvW numbers is dramatic outside of t1. Even if all of the wvw guilds in FA, Sor, Tc went into 1 server there’s no chance to compete against BG.

FW

Deli.1302:

Q: Why are SoR guilds moving to JQ instead of strengthening a T2 server and bringing them up? NA is gonna end up having two Tier 1 servers with a rotating set of T2 servers getting blown out and having BG win by default no matter what. T1 is fun/balanced when there are three T1 servers, after all.

skyz.7321:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

Seigfried.5938:

Oh look, Chris is back to trash BG. He seems to be one of the few here who care about PPT.

On another note, please consider SoR and JQ too. Winning doesn’t mean as much these days because of BG’s clear dominance. This week could be our …………… 14th straight win?

I said BG had skilled guilds and Siggy here says I’m trashing them. Your world is an odd, sad little place.

Saying our guilds are skilled wasn’t the point you were making. Your main point was, we have no right to say we aren’t stacked. But we don’t claim to be ‘not stacked’. Please quote someone here from BG saying that?

Try reading page 1. Page 2/3 are most likely the same.

BG is a joke.

The people who think forum posters represent a server are a joke. Could you please quote someone from BG saying we are not stacked? I can’t be bothered to read all that rubbish.

Seigfried.5938:

skyz.7321:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

Seigfried.5938:

Oh look, Chris is back to trash BG. He seems to be one of the few here who care about PPT.

On another note, please consider SoR and JQ too. Winning doesn’t mean as much these days because of BG’s clear dominance. This week could be our …………… 14th straight win?

I said BG had skilled guilds and Siggy here says I’m trashing them. Your world is an odd, sad little place.

Saying our guilds are skilled wasn’t the point you were making. Your main point was, we have no right to say we aren’t stacked. But we don’t claim to be ‘not stacked’. Please quote someone here from BG saying that?

Try reading page 1. Page 2/3 are most likely the same.

BG is a joke.

The people who think forum posters represent a server are a joke. Could you please quote someone from BG saying we are not stacked? I can’t be bothered to read all that rubbish.

So Seigfried….I will ask you the question. Is BG a stacked server? If the answer to your question is ‘yes’, then why do you continue to recruit guilds and pay them such as the three EU guilds that have transferred over in the last week?

Burl.9567:

Seigfried.5938:

skyz.7321:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

Seigfried.5938:

Oh look, Chris is back to trash BG. He seems to be one of the few here who care about PPT.

On another note, please consider SoR and JQ too. Winning doesn’t mean as much these days because of BG’s clear dominance. This week could be our …………… 14th straight win?

I said BG had skilled guilds and Siggy here says I’m trashing them. Your world is an odd, sad little place.

Saying our guilds are skilled wasn’t the point you were making. Your main point was, we have no right to say we aren’t stacked. But we don’t claim to be ‘not stacked’. Please quote someone here from BG saying that?

Try reading page 1. Page 2/3 are most likely the same.

BG is a joke.

The people who think forum posters represent a server are a joke. Could you please quote someone from BG saying we are not stacked? I can’t be bothered to read all that rubbish.

So Seigfried….I will ask you the question. Is BG a stacked server? If the answer to your question is ‘yes’, then why do you continue to recruit guilds and pay them such as the three EU guilds that have transferred over in the last week?

I’m sure they told the EU guilds that there is soooooo many jq/sor EU guilds to fight!

Sor to ZD – Sorry we don’t need anymore EU guilds there won’t be much competition.
BG to ZD – Yes please come, there is TONS of guilds/ppl to fight!
^ season 1 gold league. And we all know how that turned out. (yay blowouts)

dwahvel.7356:

Burl.9567:

Seigfried.5938:

skyz.7321:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

Seigfried.5938:

Oh look, Chris is back to trash BG. He seems to be one of the few here who care about PPT.

On another note, please consider SoR and JQ too. Winning doesn’t mean as much these days because of BG’s clear dominance. This week could be our …………… 14th straight win?

I said BG had skilled guilds and Siggy here says I’m trashing them. Your world is an odd, sad little place.

Saying our guilds are skilled wasn’t the point you were making. Your main point was, we have no right to say we aren’t stacked. But we don’t claim to be ‘not stacked’. Please quote someone here from BG saying that?

Try reading page 1. Page 2/3 are most likely the same.

BG is a joke.

The people who think forum posters represent a server are a joke. Could you please quote someone from BG saying we are not stacked? I can’t be bothered to read all that rubbish.

So Seigfried….I will ask you the question. Is BG a stacked server? If the answer to your question is ‘yes’, then why do you continue to recruit guilds and pay them such as the three EU guilds that have transferred over in the last week?

I’m sure they told the EU guilds that there is soooooo many jq/sor EU guilds to fight!

Sor to ZD – Sorry we don’t need anymore EU guilds there won’t be much competition.
BG to ZD – Yes please come, there is TONS of guilds/ppl to fight!
^ season 1 gold league. And we all know how that turned out. (yay blowouts)

Not really a good example, considering the first week of leagues had all 3 servers clogged up with 24/7 queues, making the impact another guild has really really small.

Now, SoR treated their pugs really badly and lost most of their population (and still are feeling the effects today). That is their problem and their’s alone.

JQ had 24/7 queues until they matched up against BG. Again, that is their problem and not BG’s.

We spammed map chat to high heaven our teamspeak details, while spamming recruitment messages for WvW guilds. Our WvW guilds grew and our WvW player base grew (the effects of which you can see in post-leagues results and Blackgate’s dominance). Same couldn’t be said of the other two servers at that time.

JQ still remains competitive because they are a server welcoming of new players and guilds. SoR continues to languish at the bottom of Tier 1 as their server is trying to reestablish themselves and redefine their server culture, even as their guilds are leaving the server due to various reasons.

SoR still isn’t accepting of players outside their server as evidenced by mass bans on their teamspeak during wurm fights. That kind of culture and attitude will get them nowhere.

People want to transfer to JQ and BG because we have a more pug friendly culture.

Reverence.6915:

dwahvel.7356:

Burl.9567:

Seigfried.5938:

skyz.7321:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

Seigfried.5938:

Oh look, Chris is back to trash BG. He seems to be one of the few here who care about PPT.

On another note, please consider SoR and JQ too. Winning doesn’t mean as much these days because of BG’s clear dominance. This week could be our …………… 14th straight win?

I said BG had skilled guilds and Siggy here says I’m trashing them. Your world is an odd, sad little place.

Saying our guilds are skilled wasn’t the point you were making. Your main point was, we have no right to say we aren’t stacked. But we don’t claim to be ‘not stacked’. Please quote someone here from BG saying that?

Try reading page 1. Page 2/3 are most likely the same.

BG is a joke.

The people who think forum posters represent a server are a joke. Could you please quote someone from BG saying we are not stacked? I can’t be bothered to read all that rubbish.

So Seigfried….I will ask you the question. Is BG a stacked server? If the answer to your question is ‘yes’, then why do you continue to recruit guilds and pay them such as the three EU guilds that have transferred over in the last week?

I’m sure they told the EU guilds that there is soooooo many jq/sor EU guilds to fight!

Sor to ZD – Sorry we don’t need anymore EU guilds there won’t be much competition.
BG to ZD – Yes please come, there is TONS of guilds/ppl to fight!
^ season 1 gold league. And we all know how that turned out. (yay blowouts)

Not really a good example, considering the first week of leagues had all 3 servers clogged up with 24/7 queues, making the impact another guild has really really small.

Now, SoR treated their pugs really badly and lost most of their population (and still are feeling the effects today). That is their problem and their’s alone.

JQ had 24/7 queues until they matched up against BG. Again, that is their problem and not BG’s.

We spammed map chat to high heaven our teamspeak details, while spamming recruitment messages for WvW guilds. Our WvW guilds grew and our WvW player base grew (the effects of which you can see in post-leagues results and Blackgate’s dominance). Same couldn’t be said of the other two servers at that time.

JQ still remains competitive because they are a server welcoming of new players and guilds. SoR continues to languish at the bottom of Tier 1 as their server is trying to reestablish themselves and redefine their server culture, even as their guilds are leaving the server due to various reasons.

SoR still isn’t accepting of players outside their server as evidenced by mass bans on their teamspeak during wurm fights. That kind of culture and attitude will get them nowhere.

People want to transfer to JQ and BG because we have a more pug friendly culture.

Please continue to make posts about things you know nothing about. Still waiting for my question to get answered.

Burl.9567:

Reverence.6915:

dwahvel.7356:

Burl.9567:

Seigfried.5938:

skyz.7321:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

Seigfried.5938:

Oh look, Chris is back to trash BG. He seems to be one of the few here who care about PPT.

On another note, please consider SoR and JQ too. Winning doesn’t mean as much these days because of BG’s clear dominance. This week could be our …………… 14th straight win?

I said BG had skilled guilds and Siggy here says I’m trashing them. Your world is an odd, sad little place.

Saying our guilds are skilled wasn’t the point you were making. Your main point was, we have no right to say we aren’t stacked. But we don’t claim to be ‘not stacked’. Please quote someone here from BG saying that?

Try reading page 1. Page 2/3 are most likely the same.

BG is a joke.

The people who think forum posters represent a server are a joke. Could you please quote someone from BG saying we are not stacked? I can’t be bothered to read all that rubbish.

So Seigfried….I will ask you the question. Is BG a stacked server? If the answer to your question is ‘yes’, then why do you continue to recruit guilds and pay them such as the three EU guilds that have transferred over in the last week?

I’m sure they told the EU guilds that there is soooooo many jq/sor EU guilds to fight!

Sor to ZD – Sorry we don’t need anymore EU guilds there won’t be much competition.
BG to ZD – Yes please come, there is TONS of guilds/ppl to fight!
^ season 1 gold league. And we all know how that turned out. (yay blowouts)

Not really a good example, considering the first week of leagues had all 3 servers clogged up with 24/7 queues, making the impact another guild has really really small.

Now, SoR treated their pugs really badly and lost most of their population (and still are feeling the effects today). That is their problem and their’s alone.

JQ had 24/7 queues until they matched up against BG. Again, that is their problem and not BG’s.

We spammed map chat to high heaven our teamspeak details, while spamming recruitment messages for WvW guilds. Our WvW guilds grew and our WvW player base grew (the effects of which you can see in post-leagues results and Blackgate’s dominance). Same couldn’t be said of the other two servers at that time.

JQ still remains competitive because they are a server welcoming of new players and guilds. SoR continues to languish at the bottom of Tier 1 as their server is trying to reestablish themselves and redefine their server culture, even as their guilds are leaving the server due to various reasons.

SoR still isn’t accepting of players outside their server as evidenced by mass bans on their teamspeak during wurm fights. That kind of culture and attitude will get them nowhere.

People want to transfer to JQ and BG because we have a more pug friendly culture.

Please continue to make posts about things you know nothing about. Still waiting for my question to get answered.

Your red herring question has no bearing on the topic at hand. My post was addressing the thread topic question.

The point I’ve been making the whole time, is that BG has to keep recruiting guilds and can never admit that they have enough. Not until there are queues on every map at every hour can they slow down recruitment. Complacency and boredom are probably driving people on BG to PvE in droves. It’s not by chance that they killed Tequatl first; it was probably all WvW burnouts.

JQ has to do the same to even remain in the same ballpark, it’s the only reason they are not getting blown out.

Likewise, SoR is having to work harder than ever to stay relevant.

I’m just waiting for an adjustment to transfer prices based upon WvW ranking.

Reverence.6915:

Burl.9567:

Reverence.6915:

dwahvel.7356:

Burl.9567:

Seigfried.5938:

skyz.7321:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

Seigfried.5938:

Oh look, Chris is back to trash BG. He seems to be one of the few here who care about PPT.

On another note, please consider SoR and JQ too. Winning doesn’t mean as much these days because of BG’s clear dominance. This week could be our …………… 14th straight win?

I said BG had skilled guilds and Siggy here says I’m trashing them. Your world is an odd, sad little place.

Saying our guilds are skilled wasn’t the point you were making. Your main point was, we have no right to say we aren’t stacked. But we don’t claim to be ‘not stacked’. Please quote someone here from BG saying that?

Try reading page 1. Page 2/3 are most likely the same.

BG is a joke.

The people who think forum posters represent a server are a joke. Could you please quote someone from BG saying we are not stacked? I can’t be bothered to read all that rubbish.

So Seigfried….I will ask you the question. Is BG a stacked server? If the answer to your question is ‘yes’, then why do you continue to recruit guilds and pay them such as the three EU guilds that have transferred over in the last week?

I’m sure they told the EU guilds that there is soooooo many jq/sor EU guilds to fight!

Sor to ZD – Sorry we don’t need anymore EU guilds there won’t be much competition.
BG to ZD – Yes please come, there is TONS of guilds/ppl to fight!
^ season 1 gold league. And we all know how that turned out. (yay blowouts)

Not really a good example, considering the first week of leagues had all 3 servers clogged up with 24/7 queues, making the impact another guild has really really small.

Now, SoR treated their pugs really badly and lost most of their population (and still are feeling the effects today). That is their problem and their’s alone.

JQ had 24/7 queues until they matched up against BG. Again, that is their problem and not BG’s.

We spammed map chat to high heaven our teamspeak details, while spamming recruitment messages for WvW guilds. Our WvW guilds grew and our WvW player base grew (the effects of which you can see in post-leagues results and Blackgate’s dominance). Same couldn’t be said of the other two servers at that time.

JQ still remains competitive because they are a server welcoming of new players and guilds. SoR continues to languish at the bottom of Tier 1 as their server is trying to reestablish themselves and redefine their server culture, even as their guilds are leaving the server due to various reasons.

SoR still isn’t accepting of players outside their server as evidenced by mass bans on their teamspeak during wurm fights. That kind of culture and attitude will get them nowhere.

People want to transfer to JQ and BG because we have a more pug friendly culture.

Please continue to make posts about things you know nothing about. Still waiting for my question to get answered.

Your red herring question has no bearing on the topic at hand. My post was addressing the thread topic question.

TLDR – I plead the 5th.

Burl.9567:

Reverence.6915:

Burl.9567:

Reverence.6915:

dwahvel.7356:

Burl.9567:

Seigfried.5938:

skyz.7321:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

Seigfried.5938:

Oh look, Chris is back to trash BG. He seems to be one of the few here who care about PPT.

On another note, please consider SoR and JQ too. Winning doesn’t mean as much these days because of BG’s clear dominance. This week could be our …………… 14th straight win?

I said BG had skilled guilds and Siggy here says I’m trashing them. Your world is an odd, sad little place.

Saying our guilds are skilled wasn’t the point you were making. Your main point was, we have no right to say we aren’t stacked. But we don’t claim to be ‘not stacked’. Please quote someone here from BG saying that?

Try reading page 1. Page 2/3 are most likely the same.

BG is a joke.

The people who think forum posters represent a server are a joke. Could you please quote someone from BG saying we are not stacked? I can’t be bothered to read all that rubbish.

So Seigfried….I will ask you the question. Is BG a stacked server? If the answer to your question is ‘yes’, then why do you continue to recruit guilds and pay them such as the three EU guilds that have transferred over in the last week?

I’m sure they told the EU guilds that there is soooooo many jq/sor EU guilds to fight!

Sor to ZD – Sorry we don’t need anymore EU guilds there won’t be much competition.
BG to ZD – Yes please come, there is TONS of guilds/ppl to fight!
^ season 1 gold league. And we all know how that turned out. (yay blowouts)

Not really a good example, considering the first week of leagues had all 3 servers clogged up with 24/7 queues, making the impact another guild has really really small.

Now, SoR treated their pugs really badly and lost most of their population (and still are feeling the effects today). That is their problem and their’s alone.

JQ had 24/7 queues until they matched up against BG. Again, that is their problem and not BG’s.

We spammed map chat to high heaven our teamspeak details, while spamming recruitment messages for WvW guilds. Our WvW guilds grew and our WvW player base grew (the effects of which you can see in post-leagues results and Blackgate’s dominance). Same couldn’t be said of the other two servers at that time.

JQ still remains competitive because they are a server welcoming of new players and guilds. SoR continues to languish at the bottom of Tier 1 as their server is trying to reestablish themselves and redefine their server culture, even as their guilds are leaving the server due to various reasons.

SoR still isn’t accepting of players outside their server as evidenced by mass bans on their teamspeak during wurm fights. That kind of culture and attitude will get them nowhere.

People want to transfer to JQ and BG because we have a more pug friendly culture.

Please continue to make posts about things you know nothing about. Still waiting for my question to get answered.

Your red herring question has no bearing on the topic at hand. My post was addressing the thread topic question.

TLDR – I plead the 5th.

Fine, I’ll bite and answer your question. BG is no more stacked than JQ or SoR. I’ve kinda been saying the same thing for the past 5 pages of this thread.

Burl.9567:

Seigfried.5938:

skyz.7321:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

Seigfried.5938:

Oh look, Chris is back to trash BG. He seems to be one of the few here who care about PPT.

On another note, please consider SoR and JQ too. Winning doesn’t mean as much these days because of BG’s clear dominance. This week could be our …………… 14th straight win?

I said BG had skilled guilds and Siggy here says I’m trashing them. Your world is an odd, sad little place.

Saying our guilds are skilled wasn’t the point you were making. Your main point was, we have no right to say we aren’t stacked. But we don’t claim to be ‘not stacked’. Please quote someone here from BG saying that?

Try reading page 1. Page 2/3 are most likely the same.

BG is a joke.

The people who think forum posters represent a server are a joke. Could you please quote someone from BG saying we are not stacked? I can’t be bothered to read all that rubbish.

So Seigfried….I will ask you the question. Is BG a stacked server? If the answer to your question is ‘yes’, then why do you continue to recruit guilds and pay them such as the three EU guilds that have transferred over in the last week?

I have not paid a penny towards buying guilds. Truth is, after teq kill many pve’rs flocked to bg, and then after the leagues, pvx people. nothing we can do to stop them, and why should we? BG was a very welcoming server to me a few months ago when i first came here and it still is.

Chris.3290:

The point I’ve been making the whole time, is that BG has to keep recruiting guilds and can never admit that they have enough. Not until there are queues on every map at every hour can they slow down recruitment. Complacency and boredom are probably driving people on BG to PvE in droves. It’s not by chance that they killed Tequatl first; it was probably all WvW burnouts.

Keep these accusations coming some of them are just funny. Are you still bitter about BG replacing SoS in tier 1 a year later. The attachment below is not about the mesmer, but a specific buff

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

The point I’ve been making the whole time, is that BG has to keep recruiting guilds and can never admit that they have enough. Not until there are queues on every map at every hour can they slow down recruitment. Complacency and boredom are probably driving people on BG to PvE in droves. It’s not by chance that they killed Tequatl first; it was probably all WvW burnouts.

Keep these accusations coming some of them are just funny. Are you still bitter about BG replacing SoS in tier 1 a year later. The attachment below is not to to the mesmer, but a specific buff

One screenshot really doesn’t disprove what he said. If anything, it could even support it.

BG is always out-manned on every map 24/7.
BG wins due to pure skill.
Every server BG has ever fought has outnumbered them 300 to 1.
BG is so poor that they cannot even afford commander tags.
Every fight JQ or SoR DDO their teamspeak.
BG has no organized guilds..its all solo roamers.
BG never zergs.

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

The point I’ve been making the whole time, is that BG has to keep recruiting guilds and can never admit that they have enough. Not until there are queues on every map at every hour can they slow down recruitment. Complacency and boredom are probably driving people on BG to PvE in droves. It’s not by chance that they killed Tequatl first; it was probably all WvW burnouts.

Keep these accusations coming some of them are just funny. Are you still bitter about BG replacing SoS in tier 1 a year later. The attachment below is not about the mesmer, but a specific buff

You ask for an instance (because you are lazy) of someone implying that BG needs more people and then you post a picture of the outmanned buff.

Please find a time, any time that BG consistently ticks under +230ppt. I don’t mean for a few seconds or randoms screenshots. I mean, give me a 2-3 hour timeframe (early EU, late NA, etc) that BG ticks less than 1/3 of the possible PPT up for grabs. I’ll dutifully check the scores at that time for a few days/nights and see if it happens.

Tell me that there is any gap, consistently, is lacking for longer than an hour.

And for the last time, Ancient History has nothing to do with it. I like a lot of people on BG but so many forum warriors trying to make it sound like BG does not have a numbers/coverage advantage (at the moment) will make anyone with a brain call BS.

For clarification, there is no implication that BG swarms WvW with impunity. I’m sure that even in times of lower coverage, there are fights to be had and JQ or SoR will often have the advantage in numbers during individual encounters.
I’m not trying to take anything away from good fights and victories that BG (or any server) earns in those situations.

What I’m stating, born out by the facts: is that if you compared the numbers/coverage of the WvW dedicated (meaning folks that WvW more than 75% of the time) population of all three T2 servers (TC, FA, and SoS) put them on a theoretical empty server and put them into T1; that BG would STILL outnumber/outcoverage that server overall.

And that BG would recruit heavily to match any time discrepancies in said matchup is also not in doubt.

Chris.3290:

What I’m stating, born out by the facts: is that if you compared the numbers/coverage of the WvW dedicated (meaning folks that WvW more than 75% of the time) population of all three T2 servers (TC, FA, and SoS) put them on a theoretical empty server and put them into T1; that BG would STILL outnumber/outcoverage that server overall.

I doubt it. A lot of BG is PvX, rather than dedicated WvW. It’s when our PvXers come into WvW in force that our PPT shoots up, and drops away again when they’re not (e.g. Living story update). I personally probably spend 60% of my time in WvW at best, but I consider myself to be fairly WvW focused. It’s also how we tend to avoid burnout, because there’s a fairly steady rotation of players in WvW. There’s a few dedicated WvW guilds during NA and SEA, but none in EU (early EST and late SEA covers that) and Oceanic (late PST and early SEA covers that).

That’s not to say we don’t have players in those time zones, so let me make this quite clear. We don’t have the guilds in those time zones. In fact, I’m pretty sure SoS has a larger Oceanic WvW population than BG. We would still out PPT a SoS/FA/TC mix though, I’m sure, because of our strong SEA coverage, which can go toe to toe with JQ’s SEA.

Burl.9567:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

The point I’ve been making the whole time, is that BG has to keep recruiting guilds and can never admit that they have enough. Not until there are queues on every map at every hour can they slow down recruitment. Complacency and boredom are probably driving people on BG to PvE in droves. It’s not by chance that they killed Tequatl first; it was probably all WvW burnouts.

Keep these accusations coming some of them are just funny. Are you still bitter about BG replacing SoS in tier 1 a year later. The attachment below is not to to the mesmer, but a specific buff

it could even support it.

Please enlighten me

Chris.3290:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

The point I’ve been making the whole time, is that BG has to keep recruiting guilds and can never admit that they have enough. Not until there are queues on every map at every hour can they slow down recruitment. Complacency and boredom are probably driving people on BG to PvE in droves. It’s not by chance that they killed Tequatl first; it was probably all WvW burnouts.

Keep these accusations coming some of them are just funny. Are you still bitter about BG replacing SoS in tier 1 a year later. The attachment below is not about the mesmer, but a specific buff

You ask for an instance (because you are lazy) of someone implying that BG needs more people and then you post a picture of the outmanned buff.

Please find a time, any time that BG consistently ticks under +230ppt. I don’t mean for a few seconds or randoms screenshots. I mean, give me a 2-3 hour timeframe (early EU, late NA, etc) that BG ticks less than 1/3 of the possible PPT up for grabs. I’ll dutifully check the scores at that time for a few days/nights and see if it happens.

Tell me that there is any gap, consistently, is lacking for longer than an hour.

And for the last time, Ancient History has nothing to do with it. I like a lot of people on BG but so many forum warriors trying to make it sound like BG does not have a numbers/coverage advantage (at the moment) will make anyone with a brain call BS.

For clarification, there is no implication that BG swarms WvW with impunity. I’m sure that even in times of lower coverage, there are fights to be had and JQ or SoR will often have the advantage in numbers during individual encounters.
I’m not trying to take anything away from good fights and victories that BG (or any server) earns in those situations.

What I’m stating, born out by the facts: is that if you compared the numbers/coverage of the WvW dedicated (meaning folks that WvW more than 75% of the time) population of all three T2 servers (TC, FA, and SoS) put them on a theoretical empty server and put them into T1; that BG would STILL outnumber/outcoverage that server overall.

And that BG would recruit heavily to match any time discrepancies in said matchup is also not in doubt.

If BG is ticking higher than other servers, it is because they don’t care about PPT, as they have expressed so many times. BG, however still does, even if it is random commanders leading all our PUGs. Personally, I don’t care for PPT much either. Been duo roaming mostly these days. SoR has many guilds which run tagless looking for fights and do nothing for the server’s PPT, so don’t blame us for losing PPT-wise when they are not even making an attempt.

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

The point I’ve been making the whole time, is that BG has to keep recruiting guilds and can never admit that they have enough. Not until there are queues on every map at every hour can they slow down recruitment. Complacency and boredom are probably driving people on BG to PvE in droves. It’s not by chance that they killed Tequatl first; it was probably all WvW burnouts.

Keep these accusations coming some of them are just funny. Are you still bitter about BG replacing SoS in tier 1 a year later. The attachment below is not about the mesmer, but a specific buff

You ask for an instance (because you are lazy) of someone implying that BG needs more people and then you post a picture of the outmanned buff.

Please find a time, any time that BG consistently ticks under +230ppt. I don’t mean for a few seconds or randoms screenshots. I mean, give me a 2-3 hour timeframe (early EU, late NA, etc) that BG ticks less than 1/3 of the possible PPT up for grabs. I’ll dutifully check the scores at that time for a few days/nights and see if it happens.

Tell me that there is any gap, consistently, is lacking for longer than an hour.

And for the last time, Ancient History has nothing to do with it. I like a lot of people on BG but so many forum warriors trying to make it sound like BG does not have a numbers/coverage advantage (at the moment) will make anyone with a brain call BS.

For clarification, there is no implication that BG swarms WvW with impunity. I’m sure that even in times of lower coverage, there are fights to be had and JQ or SoR will often have the advantage in numbers during individual encounters.
I’m not trying to take anything away from good fights and victories that BG (or any server) earns in those situations.

What I’m stating, born out by the facts: is that if you compared the numbers/coverage of the WvW dedicated (meaning folks that WvW more than 75% of the time) population of all three T2 servers (TC, FA, and SoS) put them on a theoretical empty server and put them into T1; that BG would STILL outnumber/outcoverage that server overall.

And that BG would recruit heavily to match any time discrepancies in said matchup is also not in doubt.

If BG is ticking higher than other servers, it is because they don’t care about PPT, as they have expressed so many times. BG, however still does, even if it is random commanders leading all our PUGs. Personally, I don’t care for PPT much either. Been duo roaming mostly these days. SoR has many guilds which run tagless looking for fights and do nothing for the server’s PPT, so don’t blame us for losing PPT-wise when they are not even making an attempt.

Translation

BG has ppl to roam and guilds to grind PPT.

Other servers have ppl to roam or grind ppt.

In conclusion…BG has more ppl.

KeeZee.7312:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

The point I’ve been making the whole time, is that BG has to keep recruiting guilds and can never admit that they have enough. Not until there are queues on every map at every hour can they slow down recruitment. Complacency and boredom are probably driving people on BG to PvE in droves. It’s not by chance that they killed Tequatl first; it was probably all WvW burnouts.

Keep these accusations coming some of them are just funny. Are you still bitter about BG replacing SoS in tier 1 a year later. The attachment below is not about the mesmer, but a specific buff

You ask for an instance (because you are lazy) of someone implying that BG needs more people and then you post a picture of the outmanned buff.

Please find a time, any time that BG consistently ticks under +230ppt. I don’t mean for a few seconds or randoms screenshots. I mean, give me a 2-3 hour timeframe (early EU, late NA, etc) that BG ticks less than 1/3 of the possible PPT up for grabs. I’ll dutifully check the scores at that time for a few days/nights and see if it happens.

Tell me that there is any gap, consistently, is lacking for longer than an hour.

And for the last time, Ancient History has nothing to do with it. I like a lot of people on BG but so many forum warriors trying to make it sound like BG does not have a numbers/coverage advantage (at the moment) will make anyone with a brain call BS.

For clarification, there is no implication that BG swarms WvW with impunity. I’m sure that even in times of lower coverage, there are fights to be had and JQ or SoR will often have the advantage in numbers during individual encounters.
I’m not trying to take anything away from good fights and victories that BG (or any server) earns in those situations.

What I’m stating, born out by the facts: is that if you compared the numbers/coverage of the WvW dedicated (meaning folks that WvW more than 75% of the time) population of all three T2 servers (TC, FA, and SoS) put them on a theoretical empty server and put them into T1; that BG would STILL outnumber/outcoverage that server overall.

And that BG would recruit heavily to match any time discrepancies in said matchup is also not in doubt.

If BG is ticking higher than other servers, it is because they don’t care about PPT, as they have expressed so many times. BG, however still does, even if it is random commanders leading all our PUGs. Personally, I don’t care for PPT much either. Been duo roaming mostly these days. SoR has many guilds which run tagless looking for fights and do nothing for the server’s PPT, so don’t blame us for losing PPT-wise when they are not even making an attempt.

Translation

BG has ppl to roam and guilds to grind PPT.

Other servers have ppl to roam or grind ppt.

In conclusion…BG has more types ppl.

I edited that for you.

Seigfried.5938:

KeeZee.7312:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

The point I’ve been making the whole time, is that BG has to keep recruiting guilds and can never admit that they have enough. Not until there are queues on every map at every hour can they slow down recruitment. Complacency and boredom are probably driving people on BG to PvE in droves. It’s not by chance that they killed Tequatl first; it was probably all WvW burnouts.

Keep these accusations coming some of them are just funny. Are you still bitter about BG replacing SoS in tier 1 a year later. The attachment below is not about the mesmer, but a specific buff

You ask for an instance (because you are lazy) of someone implying that BG needs more people and then you post a picture of the outmanned buff.

Please find a time, any time that BG consistently ticks under +230ppt. I don’t mean for a few seconds or randoms screenshots. I mean, give me a 2-3 hour timeframe (early EU, late NA, etc) that BG ticks less than 1/3 of the possible PPT up for grabs. I’ll dutifully check the scores at that time for a few days/nights and see if it happens.

Tell me that there is any gap, consistently, is lacking for longer than an hour.

And for the last time, Ancient History has nothing to do with it. I like a lot of people on BG but so many forum warriors trying to make it sound like BG does not have a numbers/coverage advantage (at the moment) will make anyone with a brain call BS.

For clarification, there is no implication that BG swarms WvW with impunity. I’m sure that even in times of lower coverage, there are fights to be had and JQ or SoR will often have the advantage in numbers during individual encounters.
I’m not trying to take anything away from good fights and victories that BG (or any server) earns in those situations.

What I’m stating, born out by the facts: is that if you compared the numbers/coverage of the WvW dedicated (meaning folks that WvW more than 75% of the time) population of all three T2 servers (TC, FA, and SoS) put them on a theoretical empty server and put them into T1; that BG would STILL outnumber/outcoverage that server overall.

And that BG would recruit heavily to match any time discrepancies in said matchup is also not in doubt.

If BG is ticking higher than other servers, it is because they don’t care about PPT, as they have expressed so many times. BG, however still does, even if it is random commanders leading all our PUGs. Personally, I don’t care for PPT much either. Been duo roaming mostly these days. SoR has many guilds which run tagless looking for fights and do nothing for the server’s PPT, so don’t blame us for losing PPT-wise when they are not even making an attempt.

Translation

BG has ppl to roam and guilds to grind PPT.

Other servers have ppl to roam or grind ppt.

In conclusion…BG has more types ppl.

I edited that for you.

Ah, I didn’t realize it but it makes sense. Special Princess Blackgate just happens to have the only people that care about PPT while the other 23 servers are out of luck.

Reverence.6915:

Fine, I’ll bite and answer your question. BG is no more stacked than JQ or SoR. I’ve kinda been saying the same thing for the past 5 pages of this thread.

So…….. according to you: “Now, SoR treated their pugs really badly and lost most of their population (and still are feeling the effects today). That is their problem and their’s alone.” Yet BG is no more stacked than SOR.

Sorry no-ones buying it.

Seigfried.5938:

Burl.9567:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

The point I’ve been making the whole time, is that BG has to keep recruiting guilds and can never admit that they have enough. Not until there are queues on every map at every hour can they slow down recruitment. Complacency and boredom are probably driving people on BG to PvE in droves. It’s not by chance that they killed Tequatl first; it was probably all WvW burnouts.

Keep these accusations coming some of them are just funny. Are you still bitter about BG replacing SoS in tier 1 a year later. The attachment below is not to to the mesmer, but a specific buff

it could even support it.

Please enlighten me

Please read what he wrote (and you bolded btw) and apply that to the screenshot you posted and explain to me how it could not be used to explain what he wrote.

You BG post contradictory comments all over this place. First, you said that everyone is evenly stacked, then you make a post about how people/guilds are leaving servers in droves. You can’t have it both ways.

morrolan.9608:

Reverence.6915:

Fine, I’ll bite and answer your question. BG is no more stacked than JQ or SoR. I’ve kinda been saying the same thing for the past 5 pages of this thread.

So…….. according to you: “Now, SoR treated their pugs really badly and lost most of their population (and still are feeling the effects today). That is their problem and their’s alone.” Yet BG is no more stacked than SOR.

Sorry no-ones buying it.

SoR has some of the biggest WvW guilds of any NA server (WvW in JQ and ND and KnT in BG can compare). The fact that they can get rid of nearly all their pugs and still have such a strong presence in WvW is pretty evident that their population is still there. It just means that there’s less people there to help the server retain PPT while those guilds go off looking for fights (I’m looking at you Choo and TW).

Burl.9567:

Seigfried.5938:

Burl.9567:

Seigfried.5938:

Chris.3290:

The point I’ve been making the whole time, is that BG has to keep recruiting guilds and can never admit that they have enough. Not until there are queues on every map at every hour can they slow down recruitment. Complacency and boredom are probably driving people on BG to PvE in droves. It’s not by chance that they killed Tequatl first; it was probably all WvW burnouts.

Keep these accusations coming some of them are just funny. Are you still bitter about BG replacing SoS in tier 1 a year later. The attachment below is not to to the mesmer, but a specific buff

it could even support it.

Please enlighten me

You BG post contradictory comments all over this place. First, you said that everyone is evenly stacked, then you make a post about how people/guilds are leaving servers in droves. You can’t have it both ways.

please quote all of that?

KeeZee.7312:

BG is always out-manned on every map 24/7.
BG wins due to pure skill.
Every server BG has ever fought has outnumbered them 300 to 1.
BG is so poor that they cannot even afford commander tags.
Every fight JQ or SoR DDO their teamspeak.
BG has no organized guilds..its all solo roamers.
BG never zergs.

That sounds exactly like every SoR forum post since they hit T2.

Pardon me for sounding idiotic: am I playing WvW wrong?

My 4-man swat team can take keeps and towers and positively impact PPT on an on-going basis, even with a outmanned buff on.

4 of us can defend a tower/keep from a small-medium zerg. 4 of us can cut off supply. 4 of us can divert zergs to defend. 4 of us can engage another 4-5 man havoc team. 4 of us with 2-4 more players together can take SM under the right circumstances.

Nothing to do with stack, “skill”, or even severTS (because we aren’t on it.) Just awaremess of opportunities on the map and a willingness to fail a lot trying.

I guess we should not take advantage of the huge zergs that are busy elsewhere on the map looking for fights to grab PPT?

-Noob

goldenwing.8473:

Pardon me for sounding idiotic: am I playing WvW wrong?

My 4-man swat team can take keeps and towers and positively impact PPT on an on-going basis, even with a outmanned buff on.

4 of us can defend a tower/keep from a small-medium zerg. 4 of us can cut off supply. 4 of us can divert zergs to defend. 4 of us can engage another 4-5 man havoc team. 4 of us with 2-4 more players together can take SM under the right circumstances.

Nothing to do with stack, “skill”, or even severTS (because we aren’t on it.) Just awaremess of opportunities on the map and a willingness to fail a lot trying.

I guess we should not take advantage of the huge zergs that are busy elsewhere on the map looking for fights to grab PPT?

-Noob

According to them, the only thing BG ever does is blob, so no, you can’t take advantage of it. In fact, how dare you try take structures and gain PPT with only 4 people. Blasphemy.

Reverence.6915:

Chris.3290:

What I’m stating, born out by the facts: is that if you compared the numbers/coverage of the WvW dedicated (meaning folks that WvW more than 75% of the time) population of all three T2 servers (TC, FA, and SoS) put them on a theoretical empty server and put them into T1; that BG would STILL outnumber/outcoverage that server overall.

I doubt it. A lot of BG is PvX, rather than dedicated WvW. It’s when our PvXers come into WvW in force that our PPT shoots up, and drops away again when they’re not (e.g. Living story update). I personally probably spend 60% of my time in WvW at best, but I consider myself to be fairly WvW focused. It’s also how we tend to avoid burnout, because there’s a fairly steady rotation of players in WvW. There’s a few dedicated WvW guilds during NA and SEA, but none in EU (early EST and late SEA covers that) and Oceanic (late PST and early SEA covers that).

That’s not to say we don’t have players in those time zones, so let me make this quite clear. We don’t have the guilds in those time zones. In fact, I’m pretty sure SoS has a larger Oceanic WvW population than BG. We would still out PPT a SoS/FA/TC mix though, I’m sure, because of our strong SEA coverage, which can go toe to toe with JQ’s SEA.

Overall population, but I’m only counting WvW dedicated groups. You’d never know it from the T2 forum chatter, but our WvW focused population in OCX is actually smaller than our NA focused population.
Our casual and PvX bump is completely massive however and really helps out.

BG dominates SEA, EU, holds it’s own in NA; and seems to outperform in OCX (whenever I have checked) despite being “lacking” in this zone. Whether or not this is due to extra effort by NA and SEA is unknown by me, but there does not appear to be any appreciable gap (JQ was anemic in OCX before some of MERC came over) and SoR is so on the outs that it’s impossible to tell what times work for them anymore.

Chris.3290:

Reverence.6915:

Chris.3290:

What I’m stating, born out by the facts: is that if you compared the numbers/coverage of the WvW dedicated (meaning folks that WvW more than 75% of the time) population of all three T2 servers (TC, FA, and SoS) put them on a theoretical empty server and put them into T1; that BG would STILL outnumber/outcoverage that server overall.

I doubt it. A lot of BG is PvX, rather than dedicated WvW. It’s when our PvXers come into WvW in force that our PPT shoots up, and drops away again when they’re not (e.g. Living story update). I personally probably spend 60% of my time in WvW at best, but I consider myself to be fairly WvW focused. It’s also how we tend to avoid burnout, because there’s a fairly steady rotation of players in WvW. There’s a few dedicated WvW guilds during NA and SEA, but none in EU (early EST and late SEA covers that) and Oceanic (late PST and early SEA covers that).

That’s not to say we don’t have players in those time zones, so let me make this quite clear. We don’t have the guilds in those time zones. In fact, I’m pretty sure SoS has a larger Oceanic WvW population than BG. We would still out PPT a SoS/FA/TC mix though, I’m sure, because of our strong SEA coverage, which can go toe to toe with JQ’s SEA.

Overall population, but I’m only counting WvW dedicated groups. You’d never know it from the T2 forum chatter, but our WvW focused population in OCX is actually smaller than our NA focused population.
Our casual and PvX bump is completely massive however and really helps out.

BG dominates SEA, EU, holds it’s own in NA; and seems to outperform in OCX (whenever I have checked) despite being “lacking” in this zone. Whether or not this is due to extra effort by NA and SEA is unknown by me, but there does not appear to be any appreciable gap (JQ was anemic in OCX before some of MERC came over) and SoR is so on the outs that it’s impossible to tell what times work for them anymore.

I can say that our teamspeak during Oceanic (1-5am~ish) is 40% NA, 30% Aus/NZ, 30% SEA early on, becoming something like 20% NA, 20% Aus/NZ and 60% SEA as it gets late. Consider that we have a total of around 50-80 people in all WvW maps put together during oceanic (remembering that we have a lot of PvE players playing in EBG, same as any other server), and you can see how small our Oceanic WvW population is, not counting PvX (which makes up the majority of our coverage and the reason for inconsistent PPT).

Plus, I think a big reason why so few from BG are online in that time is cause the Oceanic time zone in general is a dead zone. There’s very few fights. If there are, you’re facing a giant blob of 50+ SoR or JQ made up of NA staying up and SEA logging on early, combined with whatever Oceanic guilds they have online. It gets old pretty quick. Most of our Oceanic players play either NA or SEA these days and just avoid OCE in general.

Reverence.6915:

morrolan.9608:

Reverence.6915:

Fine, I’ll bite and answer your question. BG is no more stacked than JQ or SoR. I’ve kinda been saying the same thing for the past 5 pages of this thread.

So…….. according to you: “Now, SoR treated their pugs really badly and lost most of their population (and still are feeling the effects today). That is their problem and their’s alone.” Yet BG is no more stacked than SOR.

Sorry no-ones buying it.

SoR has some of the biggest WvW guilds of any NA server (WvW in JQ and ND and KnT in BG can compare). The fact that they can get rid of nearly all their pugs and still have such a strong presence in WvW is pretty evident that their population is still there. It just means that there’s less people there to help the server retain PPT while those guilds go off looking for fights (I’m looking at you Choo and TW).

This displays a complete lack of knowledge of these guilds and the server, you do know half of TW went to RET just for example. What popualtion are you talking about? I doubt SOR has a bigger pop in WvW than TC now.

SOR still has some guilds but has always had less PvX pop than JQ or BG, its been one of the issues for the server. My guild has just moved to JQ and there’s a clear difference in the PvE areas.

Reverence.6915:

Plus, I think a big reason why so few from BG are online in that time is cause the Oceanic time zone in general is a dead zone. There’s very few fights. If there are, you’re facing a giant blob of 50+ SoR or JQ made up of NA staying up and SEA logging on early, combined with whatever Oceanic guilds they have online. It gets old pretty quick. Most of our Oceanic players play either NA or SEA these days and just avoid OCE in general.

I think we must be playing in different games and you’re just not where the BG blob is.

Its always funny to read this thread. Reverance who is actually on BG and speaking the absolute truth VS others who are either on JQ or SoR thus they would never ever admit they are losing on equal footing at certain timezones, along with random people who have never even faced BG but believe the crap JQ and SoR spew on the forums.

It really is amusing.

I would help you Rev but honestly there isn’t anything I can say that you haven’t already brought up.

Btw, Chris BG does not hold its ground during EU. Check the last few days around 12 to 5 server time. Today specifically we lost everything but EB and was ticking at around 100 ppt.

We lose our home garrison on a daily basis during that timezone too.

Carry on….

DivineBeing.2086:

Its always funny to read this thread. Reverance who is actually on BG and speaking the absolute truth VS others who are either on JQ or SoR thus they would never ever admit they are losing on equal footing at certain timezones, .

You’re being sarcastic right.

Latest patch made me realize why people xfer to BG: Anet makes new content for servers like BG. If your server is not overpopulated, GL getting any content done.

DivineBeing.2086:

Btw, Chris BG does not hold its ground during EU. Check the last few days around 12 to 5 server time. Today specifically we lost everything but EB and was ticking at around 100 ppt.

125 at its lowest and you shot straight back up to 325 in just over an hour.

Cynz.9437:

Latest patch made me realize why people xfer to BG: Anet makes new content for servers like BG. If your server is not overpopulated, GL getting any content done.

And the tradeoff for BG and other high pop servers is that a huge amount of players end up in overflows and unless they log on and wait an hour or so, (assuming they actually CAN end up on the server), then there’s a good chance it may take them weeks to get the new content done. (See: Teq, overflows and constant failures of random players in overflows to master the encounter for weeks.) Nevermind people guesting to make sure they can get it done (which then bumps more “natives” to overflows.)

Not saying large pop servers aren’t better off.

There are tradeoffs.

And I left comments regarding zerg events on the general forum. I’ll just summarize here by saying the design process needs review. :p

morrolan.9608:

I think we must be playing in different games and you’re just not where the BG blob is.

Dat 25 man militia blob during OCE. Sure. If your guild can’t handle a militia zerg, then I really don’t know what to say. Of course, based on my counters of your guild the past couple of days, I can clearly say that you can’t handle militia zergs. Your guild can’t even run in the same direction.

Reverence.6915:

morrolan.9608:

I think we must be playing in different games and you’re just not where the BG blob is.

Dat 25 man militia blob during OCE. Sure. If your guild can’t handle a militia zerg, then I really don’t know what to say. Of course, based on my counters of your guild the past couple of days, I can clearly say that you can’t handle militia zergs. Your guild can’t even run in the same direction.

Resorting to personal insults now? Pity.

morrolan.9608:

Reverence.6915:

morrolan.9608:

I think we must be playing in different games and you’re just not where the BG blob is.

Dat 25 man militia blob during OCE. Sure. If your guild can’t handle a militia zerg, then I really don’t know what to say. Of course, based on my counters of your guild the past couple of days, I can clearly say that you can’t handle militia zergs. Your guild can’t even run in the same direction.

Resorting to personal insults now? Pity.

Pot, meet Kettle. Look at your previous two posts in this thread. Also, it wasn’t personal. It was directed at your guild.

I’m tired of (ex)SoR’s whining over coverage and population when they continually state they play for fights. Don’t complain about getting outmanned when you keep insulting your pugs and kick/banning visitors out of your teamspeak.

I’m sick of people badmouthing (ugh… forum censoring… can’t use the term I want to use) BG when we’ve worked hard to get where we are today. As a server. As a community. This constant barrage of claiming we buy guilds (when every tier 1 server has done the same), of being overstacked (no more so than JQ or SoR), or other such comments.

The worst is seeing such comments from people who haven’t been in BG and who haven’t matched up against BG. kitten you all.

Reverence.6915:

Chris.3290:

Reverence.6915:

Chris.3290:

What I’m stating, born out by the facts: is that if you compared the numbers/coverage of the WvW dedicated (meaning folks that WvW more than 75% of the time) population of all three T2 servers (TC, FA, and SoS) put them on a theoretical empty server and put them into T1; that BG would STILL outnumber/outcoverage that server overall.

I doubt it. A lot of BG is PvX, rather than dedicated WvW. It’s when our PvXers come into WvW in force that our PPT shoots up, and drops away again when they’re not (e.g. Living story update). I personally probably spend 60% of my time in WvW at best, but I consider myself to be fairly WvW focused. It’s also how we tend to avoid burnout, because there’s a fairly steady rotation of players in WvW. There’s a few dedicated WvW guilds during NA and SEA, but none in EU (early EST and late SEA covers that) and Oceanic (late PST and early SEA covers that).

That’s not to say we don’t have players in those time zones, so let me make this quite clear. We don’t have the guilds in those time zones. In fact, I’m pretty sure SoS has a larger Oceanic WvW population than BG. We would still out PPT a SoS/FA/TC mix though, I’m sure, because of our strong SEA coverage, which can go toe to toe with JQ’s SEA.

Overall population, but I’m only counting WvW dedicated groups. You’d never know it from the T2 forum chatter, but our WvW focused population in OCX is actually smaller than our NA focused population.
Our casual and PvX bump is completely massive however and really helps out.

BG dominates SEA, EU, holds it’s own in NA; and seems to outperform in OCX (whenever I have checked) despite being “lacking” in this zone. Whether or not this is due to extra effort by NA and SEA is unknown by me, but there does not appear to be any appreciable gap (JQ was anemic in OCX before some of MERC came over) and SoR is so on the outs that it’s impossible to tell what times work for them anymore.

I can say that our teamspeak during Oceanic (1-5am~ish) is 40% NA, 30% Aus/NZ, 30% SEA early on, becoming something like 20% NA, 20% Aus/NZ and 60% SEA as it gets late. Consider that we have a total of around 50-80 people in all WvW maps put together during oceanic (remembering that we have a lot of PvE players playing in EBG, same as any other server), and you can see how small our Oceanic WvW population is, not counting PvX (which makes up the majority of our coverage and the reason for inconsistent PPT).

Plus, I think a big reason why so few from BG are online in that time is cause the Oceanic time zone in general is a dead zone. There’s very few fights. If there are, you’re facing a giant blob of 50+ SoR or JQ made up of NA staying up and SEA logging on early, combined with whatever Oceanic guilds they have online. It gets old pretty quick. Most of our Oceanic players play either NA or SEA these days and just avoid OCE in general.

50-80 being considered a dead-zone, then you point out that there is a lack of fights from the other servers at this time.

Not saying that BG does not still have it’s challenges. I’m sure if KnT or AoI, or other large guilds took a week off that you would see a large dip in points; but your weakest time zone has 50-80 (hold your corner of EB, your BL, and havoc on enemy BL’s?) and the other two don’t have much more in numbers.

Look at today. When I first responded to Siegfried, JQ was slightly ahead and BG was at +250. In the last 4 hours BG dipped as low as +150 but are now at +360 going into early NA. If the best the 2nd place server can do is 4 hours of dominance over you, I think it’s game over in Tier 1.

Chris.3290:

50-80 being considered a dead-zone, then you point out that there is a lack of fights from the other servers at this time.

Not saying that BG does not still have it’s challenges. I’m sure if KnT or AoI, or other large guilds took a week off that you would see a large dip in points; but your weakest time zone has 50-80 (hold your corner of EB, your BL, and havoc on enemy BL’s?) and the other two don’t have much more in numbers.

Look at today. When I first responded to Siegfried, JQ was slightly ahead and BG was at +250. In the last 4 hours BG dipped as low as +150 but are now at +360 going into early NA. If the best the 2nd place server can do is 4 hours of dominance over you, I think it’s game over in Tier 1.

Consider that JQ easily has 100+ in that time zone with their new oceanic guilds, and SoR can bring at least 100 as well as they got a couple new oceanic guilds the past few weeks. The numbers tilt in our favour when our PvX guilds log on though (in the perfect situation when all of them log in). Like I said, it shows in the very unstable PPT gains. One day we’re ticking 300 during Oceanic, the next we’re ticking 100. One day we’re ticking 300 in EU, next we’re ticking 100.

You’re correct that if any single one of our core WvW guilds takes a break, BG will see a huge dip in numbers. That’s simply because JQ and SoR have similar numbers to us right now.

Reverence.6915:

I’m tired of (ex)SoR’s whining over coverage and population when they continually state they play for fights. Don’t complain about getting outmanned when you keep insulting your pugs and kick/banning visitors out of your teamspeak.

I’m not complaining about being outmanned or talking about whats happened on SOR internally. I’m simply pointing out where you’re wrong about SOR’s population and that your comments about BG’s population do not match my experience.

Reverence.6915:

I’m sick of people badmouthing (ugh… forum censoring… can’t use the term I want to use) BG when we’ve worked hard to get where we are today. As a server. As a community. This constant barrage of claiming we buy guilds (when every tier 1 server has done the same), of being overstacked (no more so than JQ or SoR), or other such comments.

Given that T1 is currently not a contest at all and hasn’t been since the second week of the league the comments about not being overstacked relative to other servers ring hollow.

morrolan.9608:

I’m not complaining about being outmanned or talking about whats happened on SOR internally. I’m simply pointing out where you’re wrong about SOR’s population and that your comments about BG’s population do not match my experience.

Fair enough. I see plenty of SoR in their map blobs though. Your viewpoint on SoR’s population does not match my experience.

morrolan.9608:

Given that T1 is currently not a contest at all and hasn’t been since the second week of the league the comments about not being overstacked relative to other servers ring hollow.

False. That was SoR and JQ effectively giving up, while BG wanted the win. How was it that SoR had a near 20k PPT lead in the second week of leagues before they stopped showing up? How was it that JQ got round the clock queues for the first 4 weeks (against T2) until they got matched with BG? No one’s fault but their own.

Reverence.6915:

morrolan.9608:

Given that T1 is currently not a contest at all and hasn’t been since the second week of the league the comments about not being overstacked relative to other servers ring hollow.

False. That was SoR and JQ effectively giving up, while BG wanted the win.

Thats just your inference not what necessarily happened. And what about since the league ended.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/117 – second week of leagues

If that doesn’t show how bad SoR gave up, I don’t even know… I still don’t know how we went from a 17k deficit to nearly 100k point lead.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/123 – fifth week of leagues

Also shows JQ effectively giving up

Remember that all 3 servers had queue issues, so it wasn’t a lack of population. It was how we dealt with them.

All 3 tier 1 servers are still feeling the repercussions of leagues. SoR losing guilds after their internal dramas, JQ losing ATM due to Waha quitting (their players ended up in WvW so it doesn’t make much diff in the end) and recently gaining a few SoR guilds, BG trying to fill the void MERC and TKG left when they transferred to JQ.

morrolan.9608:

Reverence.6915:

morrolan.9608:

Given that T1 is currently not a contest at all and hasn’t been since the second week of the league the comments about not being overstacked relative to other servers ring hollow.

False. That was SoR and JQ effectively giving up, while BG wanted the win.

Thats just your inference not what necessarily happened. And what about since the league ended.

What about during the leagues? SoR 20k ahead of us after just the weekend. ONE guild transfers to BG, and SoR gives up