Guild Wars 2

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ATM – Still can field 10-15 as can be seen from the screenshot I posted above
Ge – Fields 20-30 on their raid nights. More if their main commander is leading.
FB – Fields 20-30, usually have 5-10 Agg tags with their group as well.
WvW – Fields 40-50 easily – they absorbed a lot of ATM players
Black Lion MERC – Fields 20-30, used to field more, but hey…
ZQC – Fields 40-50, new to GW2 and WvW, but they have numbers and they will get better.
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Holy ****. Dude, come on…. exaggeration has its limits.

ATM fielding 10-15? News to me.
Ge fielding more than 30 every night. You must be seeing things. And the commander leads every night. And if he goes off early, the members also go off early.
FB + Agg. I know you want to insert word that cannot be written us, but this is too obvious. SEA guild and a NA guild.
WvW – 30~ players (can see in TS). ND main zerg is already bigger than the guild.

Andddd there, truth about SEA population. Holy moley, so that’s where the population comes from. JQ SEA fielding only that amount of players, no wonder their numbers are just roughly the same when compared to BG and why SEA scores are reflecting that.

LoneWolfie.1852:

Andddd there, truth about SEA population. Holy moley, so that’s where the population comes from. JQ SEA fielding only that amount of players, no wonder their numbers are just roughly the same when compared to BG and why SEA scores are reflecting that.

SEA scores reflect that because nobody on JQ wants to man up and put up that commander tag to replace Waha.

Don’t blame BG from continuing the fight when JQ wants to call it quits because ONE GUY quits GW2. Blame JQ’s community.

People move to tier 1 because there is always fighting, unlike lower tiers where 2-3 maps are always dead, and 3-4 maps are dead during off hours. They move to BG because there is no incentive to not bandwagon to the winning server. So they move to BG and now they get to play whenever they want and they get to win every week, the only price being having to wait in a 5-10 minute queue.

Reverence.6915:

And if you think any T1 server outnumbers another T1 server during NA, well, yeah.. no.

More fiction. When I entered WvW just a few hours ago, SoR was outmanned on both JQ & BG BL and we owned nothing on SoR BL so I assume we were outmanned there as well. After doing a few laps of the map, avoiding the JQ & BG zergs, my roaming group called it a night because we couldn’t find any fights.

The only satisfaction we had was the two or three BG that alt+F4’d when our 5 man group caught them too far away from a tower/keep.

DivineBeing.2086:

LoneWolfie.1852:

Andddd there, truth about SEA population. Holy moley, so that’s where the population comes from. JQ SEA fielding only that amount of players, no wonder their numbers are just roughly the same when compared to BG and why SEA scores are reflecting that.

SEA scores reflect that because nobody on JQ wants to man up and put up that commander tag to replace Waha.

Don’t blame BG from continuing the fight when JQ wants to call it quits because ONE GUY quits GW2. Blame JQ’s community.

If that’s the case you should tell every single server that hey, you guys should call it quits nobody on “Insert your server name” because no one wants to man up and put up that commander tag.

What a ridiculous post. When IRON’s commander fell sick and couldn’t command, why didn’t you go insult SOR by saying the same exact words above to them?

SOR wvw is a ghostland these days…..

LoneWolfie.1852:

DivineBeing.2086:

LoneWolfie.1852:

Andddd there, truth about SEA population. Holy moley, so that’s where the population comes from. JQ SEA fielding only that amount of players, no wonder their numbers are just roughly the same when compared to BG and why SEA scores are reflecting that.

SEA scores reflect that because nobody on JQ wants to man up and put up that commander tag to replace Waha.

Don’t blame BG from continuing the fight when JQ wants to call it quits because ONE GUY quits GW2. Blame JQ’s community.

If that’s the case you should tell every single server that hey, you guys should call it quits nobody on “Insert your server name” because no one wants to man up and put up that commander tag.

What a ridiculous post. When IRON’s commander fell sick and couldn’t command, why didn’t you go insult SOR by saying the same exact words above to them?

IRON still came out nightly and fought without Wrex. That’s the difference. Only after, they had to move back to EU to revitalise the guild, which I can kind of understand.

Anyway, in relation to the OP and like I said earlier, don’t come to BG to bandwagon on our success. Been seeing so many of them backseat commanding and talking rubbish in teamspeak. Just… don’t.

Reverence.6915:

LoneWolfie.1852:

DivineBeing.2086:

LoneWolfie.1852:

Andddd there, truth about SEA population. Holy moley, so that’s where the population comes from. JQ SEA fielding only that amount of players, no wonder their numbers are just roughly the same when compared to BG and why SEA scores are reflecting that.

SEA scores reflect that because nobody on JQ wants to man up and put up that commander tag to replace Waha.

Don’t blame BG from continuing the fight when JQ wants to call it quits because ONE GUY quits GW2. Blame JQ’s community.

If that’s the case you should tell every single server that hey, you guys should call it quits nobody on “Insert your server name” because no one wants to man up and put up that commander tag.

What a ridiculous post. When IRON’s commander fell sick and couldn’t command, why didn’t you go insult SOR by saying the same exact words above to them?

IRON still came out nightly and fought without Wrex. That’s the difference. Only after, they had to move back to EU to revitalise the guild, which I can kind of understand.

But in the end it still can be seen as IRON’s morale going poof without wrex (although admittedly I know nothing about ATM/IRON’s problems, so I don’t really want to go to deep about this.), except the poster divine something is really a tool for pretending that anyone can easily lead a group of people.

To be able to rally people you needed to be online daily and play 3-4 hours without fail, but many players in the game are casual based and lead a couple of hours before they retire. Not only that, it’s expensive to keep on providing siege if you’re a PUG player. To that extent, you must go beyond “I like killing things for a few hours”, but clean out rosters in guild, rally people every day at prime time 8 pm sharp, dedicate yourself to just command day in day out, recruit more players daily, maybe do guild missions, etc, etc.

There’s quite a bit of responsibility into creating a guild, and even requires a mentality that just goes beyond “casual gaming”, but semi-serious to hardcore. You think “manning up” is simple? Think again.

Poxheart.2845:

The only satisfaction we had was the two or three BG that alt+F4’d when our 5 man group caught them too far away from a tower/keep.

:)

Poxheart.2845:

Reverence.6915:

And if you think any T1 server outnumbers another T1 server during NA, well, yeah.. no.

More fiction. When I entered WvW just a few hours ago, SoR was outmanned on both JQ & BG BL and we owned nothing on SoR BL so I assume we were outmanned there as well. .

I think it’s quite clear Reverence was talking about T1 servers during normal times (like JQ now and SoR several weeks back), not when a T1 server is on the verge of collapse (or has SoR already collapsed, have TW/RET/Fear moved off already?). Of course your WvW NOW is a ghost town since everyone is on the move, but it wasn’t like this several weeks ago.

I know server population on the server selection screen is not the best measure of WvW activity. But I think it’s a pretty safe to assume its a decent way to gauge size. At some point BG should take a look, just click on the “guest” option and you will notice that BG is the only that has reached “Full” status. I haven’t seen this since game release for any server.

But sure you guys are the underdogs of T1.

FEAR and RET moved off…

I wouldnt say we are collapsing or collapsed, but we are def not competitive vs BG and JQ atm.

Keiel.7489:

I know server population on the server selection screen is not the best measure of WvW activity. But I think it’s a pretty safe to assume its a decent way to gauge size. At some point BG should take a look, just click on the “guest” option and you will notice that BG is the only that has reached “Full” status. I haven’t seen this since game release for any server.

But sure you guys are the underdogs of T1.

Full status has been reached a few times before, Anet kept on increasing server capacity however. Think of BG as “super full” compared to last summer.

probably burnt out vs BG

Eh, we can’t have that much of a population when we’re outnumbered on EBG… Screenshot taken mere minutes before I made this post.

edit: resubmitted screenshot because I noticed it had a player name in it.

Best part about being on a mid tier server, is having motivation to get better and better instead of QQ’ing over population & coverage wins.

All of you elitist nerds portraying some amazing wvw skills due to pure population should try playing on a server outmanned 24/7 and still pulling off a 1st place finish. Then your bragging/complaining may be taken a bit more seriously. Until then…QQ more. Most* rather. Half of you turds don’t even understand the challenge that WvW can be as it’s all been hand fed victories since you installed the game and either chose a t1 server or xferred to it like the rest of the sore losers in gw2.

Stop crying about being bored when you purposely stack matches/servers. Of course you’re going to fight the same people forever, you idiots.

Two hour WvW Queue? I’d leave in a heartbeat. Oh yea, I already did. Much more fun elsewhere, where I can play the game mode of my choosing on demand. Instead of paying for a game and having to wait to play it the way I want to because of a queue. Tisk tisk. Enjoy that amazing finisher though….lol

Crimson Magdelana.9024:

Best part about being on a mid tier server, is having motivation to get better and better instead of QQ’ing over population & coverage wins.

All of you elitist nerds portraying some amazing wvw skills due to pure population should try playing on a server outmanned 24/7 and still pulling off a 1st place finish. Then your bragging/complaining may be taken a bit more seriously. Until then…QQ more. Most* rather. Half of you turds don’t even understand the challenge that WvW can be as it’s all been hand fed victories since you installed the game and either chose a t1 server or xferred to it like the rest of the sore losers in gw2.

Stop crying about being bored when you purposely stack matches/servers. Of course you’re going to fight the same people forever, you idiots.

BG (I wasn’t there myself the first time we beat JQ) has been there and done that.

It’s funny that people are complaining about BG being stacked at the moment, when few remember the times when JQ and SoR heavily stacked a single timezone and PVDoor’d their way to victory.

Duke Blackrose.4981:

As a Blackgate player, I personally loathe our WvW scene for 4 reasons:

1. It seems like we win way too often. I’ve seen high-tier opposing servers just give up. It takes the fun and the challenge out of things.

2. Everything boils down to massive zergs. “It’s the BG ocean vs. the SoR ocean. Again.”

3. We generally get the same opponents. If we’re lucky, we’ll get one or two different opponents once in a blue moon. But even then, it’s all from the same small rotation.

And, of course….

4. We have to wait on massive queue timers just to experience WvW at all. The EB generally has a 2 hour minimum queue and battlegrounds often have 10min+ queue times.

And WvW Season 1, with it’s over-hyped server-performance based rewards is partially to blame for all of that.

The only thing holding me back from a server swap (to a more average server) is my excellent Blackgate guild.

come to Ferguson’s Crossing. Whole reason I swapped to it is because it’s an underdog. I’m actually having a lot of fun teaching WvW tactics there, and when we have success it feels so much more rewarding. Theres still zerging of course, but definitely nothing on the scale you’ve been used to experiencing.

Brought my popcorn..NomNom..keep this thread up i like it. Point counter point. Fire and Brimstone! BG will end the world……Nom Nom Nom. Too many BG, Too much coverage, nothing but zerg guilds that are baddies…..NomNom…Yes this is a good discussion.

Duke Blackrose.4981:

Aeros.2046:

Everything above is why I enjoy being in a mid tier server. All the baddies go to tier 1 servers so they can win, leaving the rest of us to play in peace.

Yeah, I get that. I swapped to BG during the free-transfer period because I was lonely on my low-pop server. Of course, guesting kind of eliminates that point.

Mhmm I used the free transfer period to swap to a low pop server (Vabbi) and haven’t regretted it since. The amount of quality play here is stunning compared to what I had to put up with earlier. Tier 1 is, sadly, not so much about player skill but about “Zerg skill”.

jojojoon.8607:

Reverence.6915:

A rough comparison of SEA time zone guilds/numbers between JQ and BG (since there’s very little EU and OCE to compare):

JQ:
ATM – Still can field 10-15 as can be seen from the screenshot I posted above
Ge – Fields 20-30 on their raid nights. More if their main commander is leading.
FB – Fields 20-30, usually have 5-10 Agg tags with their group as well.
WvW – Fields 40-50 easily – they absorbed a lot of ATM players
Black Lion MERC – Fields 20-30, used to field more, but hey…
ZQC – Fields 40-50, new to GW2 and WvW, but they have numbers and they will get better.

BG:
ND – Fields 30-40, depends on their commander. Dia can pull in a full map zerg just from ND, but he very rarely logs in these days. They usually run 20-30, but for the sake of comparison and averages, going to bump their number up a bit.
WM – Fields 15-25 when they run, which is rare
LP – Fields 20-30 later taking on float team which combines all other players from the other guilds running at that time into a blob of 60-70
TMD – Fields 20-25
RR – Fields 15-20, may field more in the future
XF/Ace – Fields 20-30, they are a mainly PvE guild looking to expand their presence in WvW.

Sorry, but the numbers are very even between JQ and BG at the moment. We’re very pug heavy as well so the numbers at the moment are on BG’s side during SEA time zone. Pugs are hardly dependable as numbers though when fighting against quality guilds like FB and Ge (love fighting you guys btw, always a great time no matter if we win or lose).

Try to pull your head out of your kitten and understand that BG isn’t the overstacked monster everyone seems to think it is.

I agree with you, JQ has so many SEA players and BG barely has any to compete with them. The original MERC split up and some went to JQ and some stayed. For some reason, the JQ MERC plays not only in OCX but SEA also and can field 30+ on a nightly basis. BG MERC, for some reason, all moved to France and now plays EU time. Why is our MERC not playing in SEA and JQ MERCs does. I don’t get it.

AGG also plays in SEA even though they are a NA guild. Why don’t we have guilds in NA that do that. I don’t get it..

We have a guild called Omen in BG that usually fields 25-30+ people, but they aren’t good so we kinda consider them a pug guild. Our other SEA guilds like Thai, Urge, KOR, etc also play like pugs. So to quote you, since they’re PUGs, they are “hardly dependable.” They can’t be depended on at all in SEA…

Oh i’m sorry? Did you mean this “Pug” guild?

Crimson Magdelana.9024:

Best part about being on a mid tier server, is having motivation to get better and better instead of QQ’ing over population & coverage wins.

All of you elitist nerds portraying some amazing wvw skills due to pure population should try playing on a server outmanned 24/7 and still pulling off a 1st place finish. Then your bragging/complaining may be taken a bit more seriously. Until then…QQ more. Most* rather. Half of you turds don’t even understand the challenge that WvW can be as it’s all been hand fed victories since you installed the game and either chose a t1 server or xferred to it like the rest of the sore losers in gw2.

Stop crying about being bored when you purposely stack matches/servers. Of course you’re going to fight the same people forever, you idiots.

Two hour WvW Queue? I’d leave in a heartbeat. Oh yea, I already did. Much more fun elsewhere, where I can play the game mode of my choosing on demand. Instead of paying for a game and having to wait to play it the way I want to because of a queue. Tisk tisk. Enjoy that amazing finisher though….lol

SOR fought our way up from rank 17…. been there done that.

I can think of three reasons…

1. It’s basically free to transfer
2. You make more gold/WXP in WvW
3. You don’t have to try very hard

Reslinal.2359:

Of course your WvW NOW is a ghost town since everyone is on the move, but it wasn’t like this several weeks ago.

My experiences go back several weeks, if not months, now.

1. Many people, myself included, feel that there is no such thing as “winning too often.”

2. Zergs are a part of WvW, get over it.

3. We do get the same opponents but JQ and SoR are great opponents so I don’t see the problem.

4. I can’t speak on NA timezone but I play OCX, SEA and EU and we usually only have enough people to queue one map and even then it’s a short queue. We definitely still have plenty of room for anyone playing in any of those timezones, we might have room for NA as well I really don’t know.

I’ve been playing on Blackgate server for most of the time I’ve played GW2. I’ve tried Maguuma, Fort Aspenwood, Jade Quarry, Sanctum of Rall and Yak’s Bend and out of all of them I’ve never felt at home except on Blackgate.

I would recommend it to anyone.

LoneWolfie.1852:

Reverence.6915:

LoneWolfie.1852:

DivineBeing.2086:

LoneWolfie.1852:

Andddd there, truth about SEA population. Holy moley, so that’s where the population comes from. JQ SEA fielding only that amount of players, no wonder their numbers are just roughly the same when compared to BG and why SEA scores are reflecting that.

SEA scores reflect that because nobody on JQ wants to man up and put up that commander tag to replace Waha.

Don’t blame BG from continuing the fight when JQ wants to call it quits because ONE GUY quits GW2. Blame JQ’s community.

If that’s the case you should tell every single server that hey, you guys should call it quits nobody on “Insert your server name” because no one wants to man up and put up that commander tag.

What a ridiculous post. When IRON’s commander fell sick and couldn’t command, why didn’t you go insult SOR by saying the same exact words above to them?

IRON still came out nightly and fought without Wrex. That’s the difference. Only after, they had to move back to EU to revitalise the guild, which I can kind of understand.

But in the end it still can be seen as IRON’s morale going poof without wrex (although admittedly I know nothing about ATM/IRON’s problems, so I don’t really want to go to deep about this.), except the poster divine something is really a tool for pretending that anyone can easily lead a group of people.

To be able to rally people you needed to be online daily and play 3-4 hours without fail, but many players in the game are casual based and lead a couple of hours before they retire. Not only that, it’s expensive to keep on providing siege if you’re a PUG player. To that extent, you must go beyond “I like killing things for a few hours”, but clean out rosters in guild, rally people every day at prime time 8 pm sharp, dedicate yourself to just command day in day out, recruit more players daily, maybe do guild missions, etc, etc.

There’s quite a bit of responsibility into creating a guild, and even requires a mentality that just goes beyond “casual gaming”, but semi-serious to hardcore. You think “manning up” is simple? Think again.

Whoa! Who said anything about taking over leadership over guilds. I NEVER said that.

I said, man up and pin up.

You think BG isn’t in the same boat for their Oceanic timezone? MERC was our main coverage in that timezone until JQ stole them. After half of them realized that JQ sucks, half transferred back, but in the end they were never the same 40 man force they used to be.

So what does BG do now? Exactly what I am telling you to do. A RANDOM pug puts up their commander tag and rallies a bunch of other RANDOM pugs every night. Your force may be small at first, but after a while people will learn when you command and your force will grow.

Oh, and you want to know a little secret? JQ hasn’t lost any force, in fact, unlike BG and now SoR they have had guilds transfer instead of leaving….

niels.5924:

jojojoon.8607:

Reverence.6915:

A rough comparison of SEA time zone guilds/numbers between JQ and BG (since there’s very little EU and OCE to compare):

JQ:
ATM – Still can field 10-15 as can be seen from the screenshot I posted above
Ge – Fields 20-30 on their raid nights. More if their main commander is leading.
FB – Fields 20-30, usually have 5-10 Agg tags with their group as well.
WvW – Fields 40-50 easily – they absorbed a lot of ATM players
Black Lion MERC – Fields 20-30, used to field more, but hey…
ZQC – Fields 40-50, new to GW2 and WvW, but they have numbers and they will get better.

BG:
ND – Fields 30-40, depends on their commander. Dia can pull in a full map zerg just from ND, but he very rarely logs in these days. They usually run 20-30, but for the sake of comparison and averages, going to bump their number up a bit.
WM – Fields 15-25 when they run, which is rare
LP – Fields 20-30 later taking on float team which combines all other players from the other guilds running at that time into a blob of 60-70
TMD – Fields 20-25
RR – Fields 15-20, may field more in the future
XF/Ace – Fields 20-30, they are a mainly PvE guild looking to expand their presence in WvW.

Sorry, but the numbers are very even between JQ and BG at the moment. We’re very pug heavy as well so the numbers at the moment are on BG’s side during SEA time zone. Pugs are hardly dependable as numbers though when fighting against quality guilds like FB and Ge (love fighting you guys btw, always a great time no matter if we win or lose).

Try to pull your head out of your kitten and understand that BG isn’t the overstacked monster everyone seems to think it is.

I agree with you, JQ has so many SEA players and BG barely has any to compete with them. The original MERC split up and some went to JQ and some stayed. For some reason, the JQ MERC plays not only in OCX but SEA also and can field 30+ on a nightly basis. BG MERC, for some reason, all moved to France and now plays EU time. Why is our MERC not playing in SEA and JQ MERCs does. I don’t get it.

AGG also plays in SEA even though they are a NA guild. Why don’t we have guilds in NA that do that. I don’t get it..

We have a guild called Omen in BG that usually fields 25-30+ people, but they aren’t good so we kinda consider them a pug guild. Our other SEA guilds like Thai, Urge, KOR, etc also play like pugs. So to quote you, since they’re PUGs, they are “hardly dependable.” They can’t be depended on at all in SEA…

Oh i’m sorry? Did you mean this “Pug” guild?

Reverence didn’t put them in the list of main SEA guilds for BG, and I agree with him. So the answer is yes, we both do agree that they’re a pug guild. Nothing wrong with being a pug since by definition it’s a “pick up group.” And like what DivineBeing says, as long as their is a pin on the map, the pugs will follow. It’s just that they are “hardly dependable.”

Lol, Stellioz and Omen gaming are in no way a PUG group, They are a great guild and have my vote any day of the week. Silly rabbit Tricks are for Kids!

Ferris Bewler.9706:

Lol, Stellioz and Omen gaming are in no way a PUG group, They are a great guild and have my vote any day of the week. Silly rabbit Tricks are for Kids!

jojojoon is being sarcastic. Every post in this thread by him is poking fun at the BG koolaid drinkers who have this genuine thought that that they are indeed outnumbered in every time zone and they only win due to sheer will and amazing play.

By JQ standards, BG has just spent a small time in tier 1. So welcome BG, dont forget to leave your bags on the way out

Fuzzion.2504:

By JQ standards, BG has just spent a small time in tier 1. So welcome BG, dont forget to leave your bags on the way out

I’m sure we’ll both enjoy each other’s bags for a long time to come. JQ is a great opponent to have

Wow, this became a T1 ego stroking circle….(fill in the blank) real quick.

BG, you are overstacked. The scores consistently reflect this and it’s just the truth. I know people who said they had to wait an hour just to log onto the server (not WvW, the server; during Leagues).

It’s all good, it’s your privilege and I’m sure you’ll continue being the number one destination for those looking for a challenging (but not so challenging that their team loses) WvW scene.

JQ, best of luck

SoR, condolences.

DivineBeing.2086:

LoneWolfie.1852:

Reverence.6915:

LoneWolfie.1852:

DivineBeing.2086:

LoneWolfie.1852:

Andddd there, truth about SEA population. Holy moley, so that’s where the population comes from. JQ SEA fielding only that amount of players, no wonder their numbers are just roughly the same when compared to BG and why SEA scores are reflecting that.

SEA scores reflect that because nobody on JQ wants to man up and put up that commander tag to replace Waha.

Don’t blame BG from continuing the fight when JQ wants to call it quits because ONE GUY quits GW2. Blame JQ’s community.

If that’s the case you should tell every single server that hey, you guys should call it quits nobody on “Insert your server name” because no one wants to man up and put up that commander tag.

What a ridiculous post. When IRON’s commander fell sick and couldn’t command, why didn’t you go insult SOR by saying the same exact words above to them?

IRON still came out nightly and fought without Wrex. That’s the difference. Only after, they had to move back to EU to revitalise the guild, which I can kind of understand.

But in the end it still can be seen as IRON’s morale going poof without wrex (although admittedly I know nothing about ATM/IRON’s problems, so I don’t really want to go to deep about this.), except the poster divine something is really a tool for pretending that anyone can easily lead a group of people.

To be able to rally people you needed to be online daily and play 3-4 hours without fail, but many players in the game are casual based and lead a couple of hours before they retire. Not only that, it’s expensive to keep on providing siege if you’re a PUG player. To that extent, you must go beyond “I like killing things for a few hours”, but clean out rosters in guild, rally people every day at prime time 8 pm sharp, dedicate yourself to just command day in day out, recruit more players daily, maybe do guild missions, etc, etc.

There’s quite a bit of responsibility into creating a guild, and even requires a mentality that just goes beyond “casual gaming”, but semi-serious to hardcore. You think “manning up” is simple? Think again.

Whoa! Who said anything about taking over leadership over guilds. I NEVER said that.

I said, man up and pin up.

You think BG isn’t in the same boat for their Oceanic timezone? MERC was our main coverage in that timezone until JQ stole them. After half of them realized that JQ sucks, half transferred back, but in the end they were never the same 40 man force they used to be.

So what does BG do now? Exactly what I am telling you to do. A RANDOM pug puts up their commander tag and rallies a bunch of other RANDOM pugs every night. Your force may be small at first, but after a while people will learn when you command and your force will grow.

Oh, and you want to know a little secret? JQ hasn’t lost any force, in fact, unlike BG and now SoR they have had guilds transfer instead of leaving….

I find it funny when you don’t understand anything.

1) Pinning up doesn’t get you players. Might as well tell SOR that they need to find Pins because I saw their waypointed keeps get taken in EB during EU timing. They simply don’t have players who play WvW and it’s a ghost city.

2) That is funny, because I remember the remade BG Merc getting rolled every single day. You lost waypoints over and over when Tarkus was in JQ commanding.

3) ATM = 40+ men guild. Waha went away, and I don’t really see them fielding anymore. Could be wrong though, since I’m always at EB every day to fight the BG LP/ SOR NYS + AT zerg map hopping around.

Being overstacked is a good thing. It reflects a strong community and high morale.

If our opponents are outnumbered then they need to do more recruiting.

The problem that SoR has always had is that they consistently refuse to pay people to transfer and they’ve turned away good guilds because they didn’t want to get “too strong” in certain timezones,as if that’s a bad thing. Then they come on the forums and post about not caring about the score and I just don’t think that’s a very good sales pitch. They also don’t attract a very strong PvE crowd because many of their big guilds actively show disdain towards PvE.

JQ has never had these sorts of hangups and I think that’s why JQ will usually be the bigger threat. They’ll take anyone, they’ll pay and they always play to win.

LoneWolfie.1852:

DivineBeing.2086:

LoneWolfie.1852:

Reverence.6915:

LoneWolfie.1852:

DivineBeing.2086:

LoneWolfie.1852:

Andddd there, truth about SEA population. Holy moley, so that’s where the population comes from. JQ SEA fielding only that amount of players, no wonder their numbers are just roughly the same when compared to BG and why SEA scores are reflecting that.

SEA scores reflect that because nobody on JQ wants to man up and put up that commander tag to replace Waha.

Don’t blame BG from continuing the fight when JQ wants to call it quits because ONE GUY quits GW2. Blame JQ’s community.

If that’s the case you should tell every single server that hey, you guys should call it quits nobody on “Insert your server name” because no one wants to man up and put up that commander tag.

What a ridiculous post. When IRON’s commander fell sick and couldn’t command, why didn’t you go insult SOR by saying the same exact words above to them?

IRON still came out nightly and fought without Wrex. That’s the difference. Only after, they had to move back to EU to revitalise the guild, which I can kind of understand.

But in the end it still can be seen as IRON’s morale going poof without wrex (although admittedly I know nothing about ATM/IRON’s problems, so I don’t really want to go to deep about this.), except the poster divine something is really a tool for pretending that anyone can easily lead a group of people.

To be able to rally people you needed to be online daily and play 3-4 hours without fail, but many players in the game are casual based and lead a couple of hours before they retire. Not only that, it’s expensive to keep on providing siege if you’re a PUG player. To that extent, you must go beyond “I like killing things for a few hours”, but clean out rosters in guild, rally people every day at prime time 8 pm sharp, dedicate yourself to just command day in day out, recruit more players daily, maybe do guild missions, etc, etc.

There’s quite a bit of responsibility into creating a guild, and even requires a mentality that just goes beyond “casual gaming”, but semi-serious to hardcore. You think “manning up” is simple? Think again.

Whoa! Who said anything about taking over leadership over guilds. I NEVER said that.

I said, man up and pin up.

You think BG isn’t in the same boat for their Oceanic timezone? MERC was our main coverage in that timezone until JQ stole them. After half of them realized that JQ sucks, half transferred back, but in the end they were never the same 40 man force they used to be.

So what does BG do now? Exactly what I am telling you to do. A RANDOM pug puts up their commander tag and rallies a bunch of other RANDOM pugs every night. Your force may be small at first, but after a while people will learn when you command and your force will grow.

Oh, and you want to know a little secret? JQ hasn’t lost any force, in fact, unlike BG and now SoR they have had guilds transfer instead of leaving….

I find it funny when you don’t understand anything.

1) Pinning up doesn’t get you players. Might as well tell SOR that they need to find Pins because I saw their waypointed keeps get taken in EB during EU timing. They simply don’t have players who play WvW and it’s a ghost city.

2) That is funny, because I remember the remade BG Merc getting rolled every single day. You lost waypoints over and over when Tarkus was in JQ commanding.

3) ATM = 40+ men guild. Waha went away, and I don’t really see them fielding anymore. Could be wrong though, since I’m always at EB every day to fight the BG LP/ SOR NYS + AT zerg map hopping around.

Your points have nothing to do with the discussion.

Are you even reading my posts? BG has a commander who tags up and rallies a bunch of PUGS. JQ can do the exact same thing. Contrary to what you want to believe JQ and BGs populations are very similar. BG just has people who step up when they are needed.

And why do you keep bringing SoR into this discussion? Their server situation is ENTIRELY different than JQs or BGs. They’re currently going through a exodus of their main WvW guilds.

I don’t see JQ losing any guilds, in fact they are the ones taking 1x of SoRs guilds and then some.

SoR had 3 guilds leave, that’s hardly an exodus -_-

Chris.3290:

I know people who said they had to wait an hour just to log onto the server (not WvW, the server; during Leagues).

Wait. What? You’re saying they were unable to load a character onto the server at all? If that’s what you’re saying, those “people you know” lied to you. I played every week during seasons, never had a spot where I couldn’t log into the server, and while yes there were queues I had no problem getting into WvW reliably and getting my achievements done and gaining plenty of WvW ranks without even trying.

Yes BG has more players actively participating in WvW than the other server right now. But that will change. It always has and always will until they turn the lights off on the game.

Israel.7056:

Being overstacked is a good thing. It reflects a strong community and high morale.

If our opponents are outnumbered then they need to do more recruiting.

The problem that SoR has always had is that they consistently refuse to pay people to transfer and they’ve turned away good guilds because they didn’t want to get “too strong” in certain timezones,as if that’s a bad thing. Then they come on the forums and post about not caring about the score and I just don’t think that’s a very good sales pitch. They also don’t attract a very strong PvE crowd because many of their big guilds actively show disdain towards PvE.

JQ has never had these sorts of hangups and I think that’s why JQ will usually be the bigger threat. They’ll take anyone, they’ll pay and they always play to win.

Not paying for guilds = problem = Tier 1 logic

To the best of my knowledge BG and JQ are the only servers who have bought guilds. SoR helped IRON after they decided they were coming. FA bought RISE and swore off buying after that went South.

Liquid.9672:

Chris.3290:

I know people who said they had to wait an hour just to log onto the server (not WvW, the server; during Leagues).

Wait. What? You’re saying they were unable to load a character onto the server at all? If that’s what you’re saying, those “people you know” lied to you. I played every week during seasons, never had a spot where I couldn’t log into the server, and while yes there were queues I had no problem getting into WvW reliably and getting my achievements done and gaining plenty of WvW ranks without even trying.

Yes BG has more players actively participating in WvW than the other server right now. But that will change. It always has and always will until they turn the lights off on the game.

Just what I was told from someone who was there, I wasn’t so I can’t verify.

I will point out that during the ramp up to leagues that BG (along with JQ, not to point only one finger) were saying how they almost never have queues and they were short when they did… and the amount of QQ threads from those who stacked there was full to the brim.

I’m sure your queues aren’t too bad, but I’m sure you have them and there is a wait.

Chris.3290:

Not paying for guilds = problem = Tier 1 logic

To the best of my knowledge BG and JQ are the only servers who have bought guilds. SoR helped IRON after they decided they were coming. FA bought RISE and swore off buying after that went South.

Sometimes deals go south it happens.

The real problem is that there aren’t legally binding contracts so FA couldn’t force them to stay and play.

Chris.3290:

Liquid.9672:

Chris.3290:

I know people who said they had to wait an hour just to log onto the server (not WvW, the server; during Leagues).

Wait. What? You’re saying they were unable to load a character onto the server at all? If that’s what you’re saying, those “people you know” lied to you. I played every week during seasons, never had a spot where I couldn’t log into the server, and while yes there were queues I had no problem getting into WvW reliably and getting my achievements done and gaining plenty of WvW ranks without even trying.

Yes BG has more players actively participating in WvW than the other server right now. But that will change. It always has and always will until they turn the lights off on the game.

Just what I was told from someone who was there, I wasn’t so I can’t verify.

I will point out that during the ramp up to leagues that BG (along with JQ, not to point only one finger) were saying how they almost never have queues and they were short when they did… and the amount of QQ threads from those who stacked there was full to the brim.

I’m sure your queues aren’t too bad, but I’m sure you have them and there is a wait.

queues are short to nonexistent until they add pve achievements in

Chris.3290:

Liquid.9672:

Chris.3290:

I know people who said they had to wait an hour just to log onto the server (not WvW, the server; during Leagues).

Wait. What? You’re saying they were unable to load a character onto the server at all? If that’s what you’re saying, those “people you know” lied to you. I played every week during seasons, never had a spot where I couldn’t log into the server, and while yes there were queues I had no problem getting into WvW reliably and getting my achievements done and gaining plenty of WvW ranks without even trying.

Yes BG has more players actively participating in WvW than the other server right now. But that will change. It always has and always will until they turn the lights off on the game.

Just what I was told from someone who was there, I wasn’t so I can’t verify.

I will point out that during the ramp up to leagues that BG (along with JQ, not to point only one finger) were saying how they almost never have queues and they were short when they did… and the amount of QQ threads from those who stacked there was full to the brim.

I’m sure your queues aren’t too bad, but I’m sure you have them and there is a wait.

You can’t verify so you’d rather spread anti-T1 propaganda, oh the hate is strong in this one…and lawl…hour queue to get into the game? you bought that?

It is very true that all 3 servers SoR/JQ/BG noted the pre season queue times when recruiting and those times were very true. Its was only common to have a longish queue on EBG while at most a sub 10 minute queue (if any) on most to all BLs. This wasn’t a lie… any person that thought participation levels in WvW wasn’t going to drastically increase during season obviously was new to WvW.

Chris.3290:

Israel.7056:

Being overstacked is a good thing. It reflects a strong community and high morale.

If our opponents are outnumbered then they need to do more recruiting.

The problem that SoR has always had is that they consistently refuse to pay people to transfer and they’ve turned away good guilds because they didn’t want to get “too strong” in certain timezones,as if that’s a bad thing. Then they come on the forums and post about not caring about the score and I just don’t think that’s a very good sales pitch. They also don’t attract a very strong PvE crowd because many of their big guilds actively show disdain towards PvE.

JQ has never had these sorts of hangups and I think that’s why JQ will usually be the bigger threat. They’ll take anyone, they’ll pay and they always play to win.

Not paying for guilds = problem = Tier 1 logic

To the best of my knowledge BG and JQ are the only servers who have bought guilds. SoR helped IRON after they decided they were coming. FA bought RISE and swore off buying after that went South.

You know…SoR was the server that consistently said that the do not help guilds move and will not offer gold to help guilds move…

Also since this still seems to be a subject…be a doll and show me the “best of your knowledge” and name some guilds that were bought by JQ and BG…do you best to remember what bought means as it is different then “helping” a guild with transfer costs…

Zikory.6871:

Chris.3290:

Israel.7056:

Being overstacked is a good thing. It reflects a strong community and high morale.

If our opponents are outnumbered then they need to do more recruiting.

The problem that SoR has always had is that they consistently refuse to pay people to transfer and they’ve turned away good guilds because they didn’t want to get “too strong” in certain timezones,as if that’s a bad thing. Then they come on the forums and post about not caring about the score and I just don’t think that’s a very good sales pitch. They also don’t attract a very strong PvE crowd because many of their big guilds actively show disdain towards PvE.

JQ has never had these sorts of hangups and I think that’s why JQ will usually be the bigger threat. They’ll take anyone, they’ll pay and they always play to win.

Not paying for guilds = problem = Tier 1 logic

To the best of my knowledge BG and JQ are the only servers who have bought guilds. SoR helped IRON after they decided they were coming. FA bought RISE and swore off buying after that went South.

You know…SoR was the server that consistently said that the do not help guilds move and will not offer gold to help guilds move…

Also since this still seems to be a subject…be a doll and show me the “best of your knowledge” and name some guilds that were bought by JQ and BG…do you best to remember what bought means as it is different then “helping” a guild with transfer costs…

If the offer to “help” is made before-hand, it’s buying. It’s one thing to say “we are transferring and we have a few people who don’t farm much waiting to transfer”. It’s another that the agreement is made before-hand that 25%-75% of the costs will be covered by the new server. Talking with some people who made the transfer said the process was handled very professionally and with great caution to make sure they were not scammed (both sides).

The vehemence of your denial accentuates the point(s) I was making in that T1 Logic is a different beast than anywhere else. You have to offer these denials to keep the shine on the server to keep recruitment up less you fall behind.
It’s clear to see to anyone with spare 5 minutes to spend on MOS where BG is in terms of coverage and population. The fact that this has to be argued accentuates where I was coming from.

No hate on my part btw, why you assume there is….shrugs. Just observing upon the obvious shouldn’t get such a reaction.

Chris.3290:

Zikory.6871:

Chris.3290:

Israel.7056:

Being overstacked is a good thing. It reflects a strong community and high morale.

If our opponents are outnumbered then they need to do more recruiting.

The problem that SoR has always had is that they consistently refuse to pay people to transfer and they’ve turned away good guilds because they didn’t want to get “too strong” in certain timezones,as if that’s a bad thing. Then they come on the forums and post about not caring about the score and I just don’t think that’s a very good sales pitch. They also don’t attract a very strong PvE crowd because many of their big guilds actively show disdain towards PvE.

JQ has never had these sorts of hangups and I think that’s why JQ will usually be the bigger threat. They’ll take anyone, they’ll pay and they always play to win.

Not paying for guilds = problem = Tier 1 logic

To the best of my knowledge BG and JQ are the only servers who have bought guilds. SoR helped IRON after they decided they were coming. FA bought RISE and swore off buying after that went South.

You know…SoR was the server that consistently said that the do not help guilds move and will not offer gold to help guilds move…

Also since this still seems to be a subject…be a doll and show me the “best of your knowledge” and name some guilds that were bought by JQ and BG…do you best to remember what bought means as it is different then “helping” a guild with transfer costs…

If the offer to “help” is made before-hand, it’s buying. It’s one thing to say “we are transferring and we have a few people who don’t farm much waiting to transfer”. It’s another that the agreement is made before-hand that 25%-75% of the costs will be covered by the new server. Talking with some people who made the transfer said the process was handled very professionally and with great caution to make sure they were not scammed (both sides).

The vehemence of your denial accentuates the point(s) I was making in that T1 Logic is a different beast than anywhere else. You have to offer these denials to keep the shine on the server to keep recruitment up less you fall behind.
It’s clear to see to anyone with spare 5 minutes to spend on MOS where BG is in terms of coverage and population. The fact that this has to be argued accentuates where I was coming from.

No hate on my part btw, why you assume there is….shrugs. Just observing upon the obvious shouldn’t get such a reaction.

There is really no reason to keep this argument up. Your prospective from SoS? is obviously going to look at only the negative, I understand, you want to be part of the collective. Fact of the matter is, All 3 servers recruited, all 3 servers offered help to guilds, Blackgate won seasons, all 3 servers lost guild/s/players. Its over, its in the past.

I’m not sure what form a denial your referring to. I have yet to see any proof behind your claims out side of he said she said. Your only making wild assumptions off what you most likely read here. As for recruitment, I have no part in Blackgate recruitment, far better people then I do a great job on that front. Though I would like to point out that Blackgate hasn’t had a server wide recruitment post from quite some time and falling behind won’t be a issue as the shift in power will always happen. JQ will rise again or SoR(or its replacement).

I’m going to skip this population comment…I never questioned population differences…Though you should really take MOS with a gain of salt, it may show the PPT but it doesn’t show what is actively being done on the maps.

The “hate” is a assumption, you seem to have a lot to say about T1 and its servers for someone that does’t play in T1. No need to put so much emphasis on my “reaction” I just find it interesting that you have so much to say about T1…

People in BG complain why they are outnumbered haven’t seen how what it means to be outnumbered. Try transferring to SoR and play during non-peak hours and you will see what we mean. Personally, I would like to see if TC or FA to replace SoR instead of the BG-JQ-SoR slugfest every week for the past few weeks.

Chris.3290:

If the offer to “help” is made before-hand, it’s buying. It’s one thing to say “we are transferring and we have a few people who don’t farm much waiting to transfer”. It’s another that the agreement is made before-hand that 25%-75% of the costs will be covered by the new server. Talking with some people who made the transfer said the process was handled very professionally and with great caution to make sure they were not scammed (both sides).

The vehemence of your denial accentuates the point(s) I was making in that T1 Logic is a different beast than anywhere else. You have to offer these denials to keep the shine on the server to keep recruitment up less you fall behind.
It’s clear to see to anyone with spare 5 minutes to spend on MOS where BG is in terms of coverage and population. The fact that this has to be argued accentuates where I was coming from.

No hate on my part btw, why you assume there is….shrugs. Just observing upon the obvious shouldn’t get such a reaction.

Lord knows I don’t often agree with you but you are 100% on the money here and apparently BG is again actively on the market for new guilds despite their dominance.

1st Tier Problems.

Lol don’t even bother with Chris, it’s almost as if he is paid to trash talk tier 1 on every opportunity he gets. I think he is still bitter about BG replacing SoS in tier 1 and JQ for the implosion.

morrolan.9608:

Chris.3290:

If the offer to “help” is made before-hand, it’s buying. It’s one thing to say “we are transferring and we have a few people who don’t farm much waiting to transfer”. It’s another that the agreement is made before-hand that 25%-75% of the costs will be covered by the new server. Talking with some people who made the transfer said the process was handled very professionally and with great caution to make sure they were not scammed (both sides).

The vehemence of your denial accentuates the point(s) I was making in that T1 Logic is a different beast than anywhere else. You have to offer these denials to keep the shine on the server to keep recruitment up less you fall behind.
It’s clear to see to anyone with spare 5 minutes to spend on MOS where BG is in terms of coverage and population. The fact that this has to be argued accentuates where I was coming from.

No hate on my part btw, why you assume there is….shrugs. Just observing upon the obvious shouldn’t get such a reaction.

Lord knows I don’t often agree with you but you are 100% on the money here and apparently BG is again actively on the market for new guilds despite their dominance.

That goes into my point, they have to always be recruiting and have to defend their image from even the slightest mention of problems.

Take SoR; it’s not in as bad of shape as it appears. If they were to drop to T2 next week, they would at least do as well if not better than TC. From the perspective of Tier 1, they are the SS Titanic. If SoR had made a play for ZDs (instead of asking for a more balanced matchup) and gotten them, they would be riding high.

The reality for BG and JQ is totally different from that of the rest of WvW; and it amuses me when anyone wants to argue that or imply that their standard should be applied to all other servers (which led to my post here to begin with, coming full circle).