Guild Wars 2

I know people have been banned for posting the link, I’m sure plenty of you can find his youtube channel and the video he posted 9/12/13 on the progression (or lack of) in GW2 in terms of WvW and GvG.

Sacrx, and moreso Red Guard, is a guild held in high regard to the community and so their opinions on the game DO matter very much. I myself, being heavily invested in WvW, and currently interested in the growth of GvG, am HIGHLY concerned about the state and future of WvW and GvG because someone who knows so much about the game has pretty much been ignored.

If I get banned for mentioning it, so be it, but I believe it is in the large interest of the WvW community to hear an official response from Anet. I believe many WvWers are playing in belief that you guys are serious about this aspect of the game, but if we are just being funneled to sPvP for Anets dream of an esport, then I’m wasting my time in hopes of progress, and will sadly take my leave.

I agree with you, would love to hear from Anet, and I don’t wanna ear more excuses

Someone on my server said there was a statement somewere here on the forums were the Anet devs stated that they do NOT support what we call GvG, but they might, just maaaaybe make what they call 8v8 deathmatch, as u had in GW1 based on the sPvP system. Just the complete opposite of what many in the community actually want….
Talk about listening to the community……

why would arena net or any gaming company give credit to such a thing with a response ._. that would only encourage more people to make more stuff like this, imagine if more people found dontains videos, my god the spam on the forums

The only thing that will happen will be a ton of deleted threads as they try to dodge the issue.

WvW is supposed to be WvW, not GvG, this have been stated by ArenaNet several times, and thus GvG in WvW won’t be supported.

I don’t give a kitten about Red Guard, nor do I see why their opinions matter any more than even the least of any servers militia men, or a dev actually working on the game.

So they made a youtube marking their take of WvW progression. So what.

Ross Biddle.2367:

I don’t give a kitten about Red Guard, nor do I see why their opinions matter any more than even the least of any servers militia men, or a dev actually working on the game.

So they made a youtube marking their take of WvW progression. So what.

Maybe because they understand pvp game-mechanics quite alot better than your average militia?

But on topic: lol of course there won’t be a response. Apart from anything else, what could they possibly say at this stage that any of us would believe?

lordkrall.7241:

WvW is supposed to be WvW, not GvG, this have been stated by ArenaNet several times, and thus GvG in WvW won’t be supported.

Get out of your heads the GvG.

Listen to the vid. GvG is just the tip of the iceberg.

What Sacrx say is that every single problem of WvW that we had at launch and still now after 12 months has been reported multiple times by them more than 6 months before launch and has been ignored because in talks with Devs they said quite clearly “WvW will be extra causal has no value and we’ll take care only of Spvp cause it will be esport”. And that’s just the first thing from alpha that he unveils, because the rest of the vid goes on with that kind of news.

That is the matter.

lordkrall.7241:

WvW is supposed to be WvW, not GvG, this have been stated by ArenaNet several times, and thus GvG in WvW won’t be supported.

Its not like your borderlands are qued 24/7. Most GvG occur when there is downtime during the week, normally when there is NO que. I dont get the moaning against GvG, most of those guilds are the hardcore guilds that, I dunno, carry the server?

Yes his video was…eye opening indeed.

I specifically want to hear about why a select group of spvp players are the ones crafting the experience of the multitude. Early access to build/profession changes etc. Its as if anet wants to artificially create superstars for their esports league.

I’m not surprised at all most of them managed to get on the same team in solo q when it came out. Need to make top of those leaderboards. Get the name out there.

Oh well.

Kimhyuna.1035:

lordkrall.7241:

WvW is supposed to be WvW, not GvG, this have been stated by ArenaNet several times, and thus GvG in WvW won’t be supported.

Its not like your borderlands are qued 24/7. Most GvG occur when there is downtime during the week, normally when there is NO que. I dont get the moaning against GvG, most of those guilds are the hardcore guilds that, I dunno, carry the server?

That’s a problem on it’s own, people wanting to play but cannot because of a que. That is unacceptable in my eyes and should be fixed asap.

Ross Biddle.2367:

I don’t give a kitten about Red Guard, nor do I see why their opinions matter any more than even the least of any servers militia men, or a dev actually working on the game.

So they made a youtube marking their take of WvW progression. So what.

WvW is probably going to die if we just keep getting ignored. They expected it to be a casual game, which explains why WvW has so many faults and is far from a complete playstyle.

I don’t give a kitten about what you think about Red Guard, but don’t YOU have concerns about WvW? Population mismatches, the lack of beta testing, the return of the orb and blood lust isles bias towards overpopulated servers? And how all this will cripple GvG, the last real organized form of PvP people even care about at the moment? If not you, then look at the rest of the WvW thread because there are TONS of other people who DO want answers.

aspirine.6852:

Kimhyuna.1035:

lordkrall.7241:

WvW is supposed to be WvW, not GvG, this have been stated by ArenaNet several times, and thus GvG in WvW won’t be supported.

Its not like your borderlands are qued 24/7. Most GvG occur when there is downtime during the week, normally when there is NO que. I dont get the moaning against GvG, most of those guilds are the hardcore guilds that, I dunno, carry the server?

That’s a problem on it’s own, people wanting to play but cannot because of a que. That is unacceptable in my eyes and should be fixed asap.

people still gvg in the maps? I thought the eb jp was more accessible now, why still in the maps?

He said skill lag will never be fixed as long as culling is not there. Hmmm I would actually prefer culling with no skill lag

SpehssMehreen.5897:

aspirine.6852:

Kimhyuna.1035:

lordkrall.7241:

WvW is supposed to be WvW, not GvG, this have been stated by ArenaNet several times, and thus GvG in WvW won’t be supported.

Its not like your borderlands are qued 24/7. Most GvG occur when there is downtime during the week, normally when there is NO que. I dont get the moaning against GvG, most of those guilds are the hardcore guilds that, I dunno, carry the server?

That’s a problem on it’s own, people wanting to play but cannot because of a que. That is unacceptable in my eyes and should be fixed asap.

people still gvg in the maps? I thought the eb jp was more accessible now, why still in the maps?

In what sense is it more accessible?

I don’t GvG and don’t follow it at all. What I thought was interesting and disturbing was how (he claims) Anet looks at the WvW game mode. I feel that should be a valid topic of discussion.

Ragnar.4257:

SpehssMehreen.5897:

aspirine.6852:

Kimhyuna.1035:

lordkrall.7241:

WvW is supposed to be WvW, not GvG, this have been stated by ArenaNet several times, and thus GvG in WvW won’t be supported.

Its not like your borderlands are qued 24/7. Most GvG occur when there is downtime during the week, normally when there is NO que. I dont get the moaning against GvG, most of those guilds are the hardcore guilds that, I dunno, carry the server?

That’s a problem on it’s own, people wanting to play but cannot because of a que. That is unacceptable in my eyes and should be fixed asap.

people still gvg in the maps? I thought the eb jp was more accessible now, why still in the maps?

In what sense is it more accessible?

because it doesnt add to the quees of Ebg as well as having the wps and portals that allow you to go in and out

AndrewSX.3794:

Get out of your heads the GvG.

Listen to the vid. GvG is just the tip of the iceberg.

What Sacrx say is that every single problem of WvW that we had at launch and still now after 12 months has been reported multiple times by them more than 6 months before launch and has been ignored because in talks with Devs they said quite clearly “WvW will be extra causal has no value and we’ll take care only of Spvp cause it will be esport”. And that’s just the first thing from alpha that he unveils, because the rest of the vid goes on with that kind of news.

That is the matter.

Hm?
I have seen quite a few problems fixed in WvW. But for some reason people seems to ignore that.
It is also quite cute how they feel high and mighty enough to completely ignore the NDA they signed in order to be allowed into the alpha testing (which, as far as I know, is permanent and does not lift even after stuff goes live).

WvW was never advertised to be a hardcore game mode. It has always been stated to be a casual part of the game where people can log in and do stuff when the feel like it.

SpehssMehreen.5897:

Ragnar.4257:

SpehssMehreen.5897:

aspirine.6852:

Kimhyuna.1035:

lordkrall.7241:

WvW is supposed to be WvW, not GvG, this have been stated by ArenaNet several times, and thus GvG in WvW won’t be supported.

Its not like your borderlands are qued 24/7. Most GvG occur when there is downtime during the week, normally when there is NO que. I dont get the moaning against GvG, most of those guilds are the hardcore guilds that, I dunno, carry the server?

That’s a problem on it’s own, people wanting to play but cannot because of a que. That is unacceptable in my eyes and should be fixed asap.

people still gvg in the maps? I thought the eb jp was more accessible now, why still in the maps?

In what sense is it more accessible?

because it doesnt add to the quees of Ebg as well as having the wps and portals that allow you to go in and out

You still have to queue for EBG to get into the JP. Nothing has changed, it isn’t any more accessible. Do you even WvW?

SpehssMehreen.5897:

why would arena net or any gaming company give credit to such a thing with a response ._. that would only encourage more people to make more stuff like this, imagine if more people found dontains videos, my god the spam on the forums

Dontain knows nothing about the game compared to what have been described in a 1 hour video.

lordkrall.7241:

WvW was never advertised to be a hardcore game mode. It has always been stated to be a casual part of the game where people can log in and do stuff when the feel like it.

As he said:

I don’t GvG and don’t follow it at all. What I thought was interesting and disturbing was how (he claims) Anet looks at the WvW game mode. I feel that should be a valid topic of discussion.

That’s the matter.

Sacrx is only that mad because his silly little brother forgot to leave his party before logging out and for the past year Sacrx has been stuck with him

lordkrall.7241:

AndrewSX.3794:

Get out of your heads the GvG.

Listen to the vid. GvG is just the tip of the iceberg.

What Sacrx say is that every single problem of WvW that we had at launch and still now after 12 months has been reported multiple times by them more than 6 months before launch and has been ignored because in talks with Devs they said quite clearly “WvW will be extra causal has no value and we’ll take care only of Spvp cause it will be esport”. And that’s just the first thing from alpha that he unveils, because the rest of the vid goes on with that kind of news.

That is the matter.

Hm?
I have seen quite a few problems fixed in WvW. But for some reason people seems to ignore that.
It is also quite cute how they feel high and mighty enough to completely ignore the NDA they signed in order to be allowed into the alpha testing (which, as far as I know, is permanent and does not lift even after stuff goes live).

WvW was never advertised to be a hardcore game mode. It has always been stated to be a casual part of the game where people can log in and do stuff when the feel like it.

Hooray for a few problems being fixed!!!!!!!! /s Also these problems that have been fixed as you put it. How many of them were bought up in alpha and were pushed aside?

And the most humorous part about all this, the first major map changes are being met with community discord. ANET are doing a great job in PvE, but sPvP is a joke and WvW is heading in that direction.

The thing is about GvG and WvW is that most guilds which play GvG are setting up the PuG commanders and organise the WvW, if those guilds wouldn’t be there, there where no casual part in WvW, no real Commanders which know what they do, the hardcore WvW guilds are carrying the WvW in the whole game mode.

I dunno if its good or bad that they do it, perhaps the game mode would be better if there were no organisation.

SmoothHussler.6387:

Yes his video was…eye opening indeed.

I specifically want to hear about why a select group of spvp players are the ones crafting the experience of the multitude. Early access to build/profession changes etc. Its as if anet wants to artificially create superstars for their esports league.

I’m not surprised at all most of them managed to get on the same team in solo q when it came out. Need to make top of those leaderboards. Get the name out there.

Oh well.

You make a good point there indeed.

I specifically want to hear about why a select group of Players who happen to play GvG should be crafting the experience of the multitude. Early access to build/profession changes etc. It’s as if these players wants to artificially make superstars out of themselves for their GvGing.

I’m not surprised at all most of them managed to get in the top GvG circles when it started forming.

Oh wait.

I’m not wading into the gvg controversy Frizz. Quite frankly I dont know why there is one. This game is called Guild Wars is it not? I find it more amusing and than anything that no form of actual guild wars exists in this game.

But what Sacrx said regarding a select group of pvp interests me and I just wish to hear anets response is all.

I cant find the video…

SmoothHussler.6387:

I’m not wading into the gvg controversy Frizz. Quite frankly I dont know why there is one. This game is called Guild Wars is it not? I find it more amusing and than anything that no form of actual guild wars exists in this game.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Guild_Wars

Quednau.7390:

I cant find the video…

How bout try your bff google and type sacrx video

Anet won’t respond to this. There’s nothing they can say that won’t sink their credibility any further. The cat’s out of the bag. No one is gonna believe a word they say (unless they confirm everything Sacrx has revealed).

Quednau.7390:

I cant find the video…

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/

8th one down. Anet is currently deleting all direct links to the video (I wonder why…..)

Deli.1302:

8th one down. Anet is currently deleting all direct links to the video (I wonder why…..)

Because it is spreading confidential information that should not be available to the public (yet?)?

thanks… Someone already gave me the link.. listening to it now..

Theres nothing they can say.. and sadly the fact that they delete all these kinda speaks volumes…

lordkrall.7241:

Because it is spreading confidential information that should not be available to the public (yet?)?

Oh I think most people will agree that it should be available to the public.

Deli.1302:

Oh I think most people will agree that it should be available to the public.

The contracts signed does not however. And if you actually sign a contract you sure as kitten should respect that. If not you shouldn’t sign it in the first place.

There is a reason the information is not available to the public.

People being banned or infracted for pointing out flaws in the game? Nothing new there.

Devon has already admitted that they have other priorities, I though that was PvE with 2 week content patches, but I guess it’s really sPvP.

And after all that “It’s be ready when it’s ready” talk, we know the game was released early.

There are still exploits in WvW that have been in game since launch.

We all already know this stuff, but the devs do their best to remove as much as they can from the forums. And there’s nothing confidential about stuff we already knew was happening, it’s all been obvious.

lordkrall.7241:

Deli.1302:

Oh I think most people will agree that it should be available to the public.

The contracts signed does not however. And if you actually sign a contract you sure as kitten should respect that. If not you shouldn’t sign it in the first place.

There is a reason the information is not available to the public.

Yup, sure, as if this information isn’t in the player’s interest and its release would have zero effect on player’s opinion on ANet.

I don’t know how you guys do things in America, but over here, whistleblowers are PROTECTED.

Banned for posting a link to a video of someones opinion? Could someone point me towards that part in the forum code of conduct, I think I obviously missed it…

lordkrall.7241:

Deli.1302:

Oh I think most people will agree that it should be available to the public.

The contracts signed does not however. And if you actually sign a contract you sure as kitten should respect that. If not you shouldn’t sign it in the first place.

There is a reason the information is not available to the public.

Having sympathy with the folk at Arenanet everyone needs to understand that this is not something aimed at the entirety of the company but something aimed at the decisions made by a select few people who are or were attempting to guide the game and community in a certain direction. That has now failed. GuildWars 2 will not become an eSport I think we can all agree on that.

The PvE in this game is somewhat lacklustre and while they are attempting to correct this they are letting down huge swathes of the userbase that focus elsewhere in the game.

sPvP as a whole is neglected to the extent that it has become buildwars and not a game mode based around combat. This was done because of one of those select individuals making a decision that would affect the entire development of that game type. It could have been far more successful but it is not. Arenanet have no one else to blame but themselves for this (and more specifically said individuals making said decisions).

World vs World is part of the game that is growing, it is getting more and more people into it as reported by Arenanet through various sources yet it is the most underdeveloped game mode in the game, the least supported and at times it seems to be treated with a form of contempt that is unbecoming of a great company that makes choices based around its community desires but understands that things need to be a little different from the mass desire.

There are a multitude of teams at ANet HQ and the majority of them are working on the living world, I believe they have 4 or 5 teams working on a rota’d basis with regards to their two week releases of content for the living world. While this is all great and fun this does not show any form of respect or desire to want to support a game type that is actually growing. They have a single team that isnt even fully manned supporting World vs World and even that team isnt making the best decisions regarding the game type.

So while you are indeed right that the NDA contract still stands, that doesnt mean that those who feel so strongly about a game, have put passion and effort into the game to the extent that Sacrx did then a piece of paper will become meaningless.

The MMO world changes when you are a guild leader, especially if you are one for many years and put the amount of effort in with regards to running a fully operational guild. We don’t have the monetary excuse behind us pushing us (as developers have) we only have the passion and desire to see the game we play succeed. Some may be forceful in their approach, others may be more tactical but essentially when it comes down to it if said guild leaders are not actually being listened to considering they are at the top of the game then what does a company expect? Loyalty? Respect?

That is not how the world works. The entire MMO development community can be influenced by such a small minority of the people within it that it becomes a toxic mess and sadly it happens all too often.

bradderzh.2378:

Banned for posting a link to a video of someones opinion? Could someone point me towards the forum T&C’s, I think I obviously missed that part…

Posting links to something that breaks contracts and such is quite clearly not allowed. Just as it is not allowed to post instructions on doing exploits or hacking.

All I want to say is that Anet missed a big, big opportunity to make their game more popular by trifolds by making a better WvW, especially when GW2 was pretty much the only MMO with large scale PvP. Such a shame.

That video is just an angry rant and not even entertaining.

LunarNacht.8913:

That video is just an angry rant and not even entertaining.

How is it supposed to be entertaining?
Also if you didn’t know most of that stuff you obviously were not paying attention to anet

Indeed there is so much that can be done in WvW, Anet just need to add the features.

But seeing the dev posts and videos, they really empathize that WvW is all about ZERGS! Zerg this, zerg that, we want zergs to take out the little bunnies!

They really are in denial of what WvW can become. All these updates we have had have IMO been placed to hinder WvW.
80% damage increase to Arrow Carts, we all knew that was insane! But we’ve all worked around it.
And didnt they say this patch is supposed to break up zergs? It’s like an oxymoron, they claimed they want to break up zergs whilst shouting WvW is about zergs, nothing else.

So Anet can hinder WvW as much as they want, we’ll just find a way around it and carry on; or as some have already done, leave the game. The devs can have their esport with Team Paradigm or whoever’s left cos noone else really cares.

SmoothHussler.6387:

Yes his video was…eye opening indeed.

I specifically want to hear about why a select group of spvp players are the ones crafting the experience of the multitude. Early access to build/profession changes etc. Its as if anet wants to artificially create superstars for their esports league.

I’m not surprised at all most of them managed to get on the same team in solo q when it came out. Need to make top of those leaderboards. Get the name out there.

Oh well.

This this. It’s disgusting but true.

I’m not wading into the gvg controversy Frizz. Quite frankly I dont know why there is one. This game is called Guild Wars is it not? I find it more amusing and than anything that no form of actual guild wars exists in this game.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Guild_Wars

If I can recall, they orignally intented “WvW style” guild wars into the first game and hence the name. However, that was technically too difficult at the time so it was dropped out. The lore that is refered like 2 times at max was made up later to fill the gap, perhaps just so that it could be quoted when people ask about the name.

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

Devon has already admitted that they have other priorities, I though that was PvE with 2 week content patches, but I guess it’s really sPvP.

I wish it was sPvP. That means they’d have actual balance patches quicksmart instead of a month of spirit ranger dominance followed by 2 months of heal sig warrior dominance, with broken leaderboards and boring gameplay (IE passive specs being dominant, skyhammer in solo q).

The saddest part of this video is they’re spending more effort avoiding fixing PvP than it would take to actually just fix PvP itself.

I disagree with Sacrx though, conquest is required for tPvP. It adds focus to the fighting. This game is broke as kitten at core: filled with get out of jail free cards and absurd mobility/escape skills. But conquest adds direction to the combat: it promotes 1v1’s (don’t lie to me and tell me you get reactive 1v1’s in gvg…) and teamfights simultaneously, it adds strategies that don’t exist in random deathmatch (see: hotjoins) such as breaking stalemates with stuff like tranq/trebs, bringing 2 to bare at the risk of being backcapped, rushing far, etc. Most importantly, if you run away, you have lost the fight. Scenario: two people going for far at the start split, an ele and an engi. The ele makes sloppy mistakes, gets all round outplayed by the engi, but at any time he can just press RTL and run away. If it were TDM the ele has lost absoloutely nothing by being outplayed, but because he runs away he loses the point because of it. What’s to stop people running gimmick kitten in TDM?

Anyway, what disgusts me the most is that they’re trying to force people into PvP who don’t want to play it. Why can’t you just fix PvP and more people will play it (And not have any more ESPORTSS until passive spec kitten is fixed, delaying the balance patch because of PAX half killed PvP, anet), and accept that people who want to gvg/wvw will want to gvg/wvw and don’t want to do small team strategy stuff? That’s kittening absurd. The both can exist harmoniously. kitten you, arenanet.

Edit: It’s also extremely perplexing that they tried so hard to gear the game around compeditive sPvP play yet didn’t have staples such as leaderboards, custom servers and spectator modes at launch. That’s like starting up a business selling hamburgers, and then giving people nothing but bits of bread. ???

Well Well Well….

I have been seriously contemplating whether or not to carry on playing GW2, In fact i deleted 3 of my PVE characters last week and left just 2 of my WvW chars hoping that this game would in some deluded way get better.

If there is no hope for WvW then there is no reason to stay.

Will there be an official response to Sacrx?

No.

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

So Anet can hinder WvW as much as they want, we’ll just find a way around it and carry on; or as some have already done, leave the game. The devs can have their esport with Team Paradigm cos noone else really cares.

Yea, anet is obsessed with spvp/esports (even though all the great esports have been accidental) but they’re doing a terrible job of that as well. Spvp players are leaving in droves too, even Xeph/Team Paradigm.

Check this out: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/85121-xephs-last-words/
It was deleted from the spvp section, so it got posted on guru.