Guild Wars 2

I honestly don’t care how many people are on other servers. What I do care about is that no matter how well or poorly my server plays, there are certain servers that we will always beat, and one that we can never beat.

I don’t know the actual number, but lets say that the max server population in wvw per server is 100 per map-so 400 all together. Furthermore, lets define active participation in wvw as tier 3.

Take the scores as they are currently generated, and multiply that by 400/(number of active players).

So if you have three servers (a,b, and c), with active populations of 400, 200 and 100 respectively server a would need to be four times as effective as server c in scoring order to have a higher score. Requiring tier three participation, would effectively prevent sandbagging an opponent.

Now, if server a has a high wvw population-it is reasonable to assume that they will have superior organization, commanders and offline resources. If they do not, players from server a will migrate to more efficient servers until equilibrium is reached.

In theory, this would balance out the servers pretty quickly. The Goliaths would be pushed by the smaller servers. Zerg mentality would no longer rule the day. Small groups or organized players would turn the tide.

Helpful suggestions are always appreciated.

All ANet needs to do is just delete Blackgate, problem solved. xD

It is not just about number of wvw players. The score is ticking 24h, and some servers are able to cover this timeframe much better even with less players.

During the rush hour you can have many times more players compared to the opponents but maps are limited and queues will prevent extra people joining.

So, the population is not everything. There is also matter of defining “active wvw player”. Everyone has different opinion about what counts as active. Someone who spends 5 hours in wvw every day? Logs into wvw for at least 5 minutes? Couple times a week? Once a month?

Finally, there is huge number of players who do not go to wvw for the win and do not care about the score. They are doing it for fun. They are looking for fights only, either zerg vs zerg or group vs group or even 1v1. Taking or defending an objective is just a excuse for more fights.

What the OP proposes, if I understand it correctly, would end up creating hostile attitude against anyone else joining the wvw. “Oh, no, look at this player who just dared to pop into wvw, he is completely ruining our score, go away you nobb!”

It is not just about number of wvw players. The score is ticking 24h, and some servers are able to cover this timeframe much better even with less players.
Score would be calculated every tick (so every five minutes

During the rush hour you can have many times more players compared to the opponents but maps are limited and queues will prevent extra people joining.

So, the population is not everything. There is also matter of defining “active wvw player”. Everyone has different opinion about what counts as active. Someone who spends 5 hours in wvw every day? Logs into wvw for at least 5 minutes? Couple times a week? Once a month?
tier 3 is defined as active participation. So it only counts those at tier 3 and above at the tick

Finally, there is huge number of players who do not go to wvw for the win and do not care about the score. They are doing it for fun. They are looking for fights only, either zerg vs zerg or group vs group or even 1v1. Taking or defending an objective is just a excuse for more fights.

What the OP proposes, if I understand it correctly, would end up creating hostile attitude against anyone else joining the wvw. "Oh, no, look at this player who just dared to pop into wvw, he is completely ruining our score, go away you nobb!

It is reasonable to say that if someone is at tier 3 participation, that they are doing SOMETHING to help the server. Right now, people just sit at home base to prevent outnumbered…

FogLeg.9354:

What the OP proposes, if I understand it correctly, would end up creating hostile attitude against anyone else joining the wvw. "Oh, no, look at this player who just dared to pop into wvw, he is completely ruining our score, go away you nobb!

Except that is a problem, some players try to turn WvW into something it’s not, there is already structured PvP, go play duel in that.

Players in any online game, in any title that are playing a team based game with the objective of winning, who don’t play to do so, are automatically hindering their team as someone else who DOES want to win is instead, replaced by someone who just wants to 1v1 quickscopes only.

Yet the ones that complain that they are the victim, are guess what, the ones who are hindering the team intentionally. This is the same problem with certain political ideologies that I can’t mention here.

Reaper Alim.4176:

All ANet needs to do is just delete Blackgate, problem solved. xD

I completely agree. It’s 1am est on a Friday morning and the outcome has been locked. They have EB Q’d and about 40+ on another map. On top of all that, the are still PPT’ing. Just bad for the mode.

Sniper Dance.8457:

Except that is a problem, some players try to turn WvW into something it’s not

So, you know what WvW is, what it is suppose to be and how it should be played. And anyone who disagrees with your view should not be allowed to play in WvW?

The real problem are the players who have extremely narrow view of WvW, and constantly try to force their own interpretation to every other player. People play WvW for different reasons, and there is no “wrong” or “right” way. Or to put it simpler, get that stick out of you, try to relax and have some fun

FogLeg.9354:

Sniper Dance.8457:

Except that is a problem, some players try to turn WvW into something it’s not

So, you know what WvW is, what it is suppose to be and how it should be played. And anyone who disagrees with your view should not be allowed to play in WvW?

The real problem are the players who have extremely narrow view of WvW, and constantly try to force their own interpretation to every other player. People play WvW for different reasons, and there is no “wrong” or “right” way. Or to put it simpler, get that stick out of you, try to relax and have some fun

That’s a lot of implying there friendo. I’ve seen most of your post history, are you just a troll who feeds on these kinds of arguments? If not, I’m impressed, you really do have a warped view on multiplayer games in general.

Is it anything different other than a relm v relm type pvp siege and battle experience? Does dueling contribute to the score of the game mode? Does simply fighting ONE player only over and over help your server achieve their goal, in a SERVER based competitive battleground with a limitted number of player slots?

I don’t care much about this issue, but something about your logic here really upsets me, it’s the kind of logic that can kill other games and ruin other player’s experiences with those games.

If dueling was intended to be apart of the experience in WvW, then there would be mechanics that supported it. Instead there isn’t and it’s not. It’s simply something players do because they can. It contributes to NOTHING but the “fun” of the individual players participating in it. I highly doubt the devs intended players to do nothing but 1v1s in secluded areas of the map as it contributes nothing to the server, score, or point of WvW. There is indeed a right or wrong way to play any game, the entire gamemode is centered around holding keeps, camps, and battlegrounds. If you’re not doing something to contribute to that, you’re not playing it the right way. Simply because you claim that you can play how you want doesn’t take away from the fact that you’re in a TEAM BASED PvP mode. People play TEAM BASED modes to play and win as a team. If you aren’t doing that you’re intentionally harming other player’s experiences with your selfishness and are being inherently entitled about doing so.

Do I hate people dueling? No, but there are other ways to set up something like that (and players SHOULD be able to duel somewhere/anywhere in the game). The problem with doing it in WvW on populated servers, is that if the queue is full, the people dueling are taking up player slots that could otherwise be taken up by players actually wanting to participate in the OBJECTIVE of the game mode.

As a child do you play tag simply to hide from the other person? No, because you made a social contract with the other, both agreeing to play the objective of tag. If you break social contracts or implied agreements, not only will people resent you, but will attack you for it. Playing a team based online game, only to play for your own personal enjoyment (that doesn’t contribute to the overarching goal) is morally wrong, no matter how you look at it. To play the victim in this case is just wrong.

When you enter a team based game, you’re saying to your team that you agree to be apart of the experience and help contribute to the goal. Otherwise, why are you even there? It doesn’t make sense, this type of entitled logic is the reason for the all the current political discourse happening recently. The oppressors are claiming to be the oppressed and blaming other people for problems that they themselves start.

The problem is you are not fixing the population imbalance issue, just making it look like it is fixed on the scoring level. That is not gonna make people feel any better. It doesn’t feel good to be smashed by a blob twice your size everyday. It doesn’t feel great to know that your server is full thus unable to recruit more to handle that blob that smashes you everyday. The actual gameplay is much more important than the scoring itself.

Sniper Dance.8457:

It contributes to NOTHING but the “fun” of the individual players participating in it.

My previous reply already covered your last comments, which were longer this time, but still exactly same.

But this one really sums up your problem – look, this is a game, people ONLY play this for fun. You look at the game as hard work with set goals you must fulfill, and I don’t actually care if you want to ruin your life worrying about nonsense, as long you do not start to pressure other players do the same. What you are doing is sucking the FUN part out of the GAME and leave it only with obligations and timetables, spreadsheets and retirement plans. When actually people want to get away from all that.

You see the objectives in WvW as the ultimate goals, the reason it even exist. I only see them as excuse to find enemies, fight them, laugh and enjoy.

But go ahead, if you think this is what trolls do whole day, then sure

FogLeg.9354:

Sniper Dance.8457:

It contributes to NOTHING but the “fun” of the individual players participating in it.

My previous reply already covered your last comments, which were longer this time, but still exactly same.

But this one really sums up your problem – look, this is a game, people ONLY play this for fun. You look at the game as hard work with set goals you must fulfill, and I don’t actually care if you want to ruin your life worrying about nonsense, as long you do not start to pressure other players do the same. What you are doing is sucking the FUN part out of the GAME and leave it only with obligations and timetables, spreadsheets and retirement plans. When actually people want to get away from all that.

You see the objectives in WvW as the ultimate goals, the reason it even exist. I only see them as excuse to find enemies, fight them, laugh and enjoy.

But go ahead, if you think this is what trolls do whole day, then sure

I know right? I once sat down to play Chess and I pwned the opponent by moving my pawn and taking out his king on the first move. Instead of gracefully accepting me as his better, he put my pawn back and told me that I’m not allowed to do that.
Like, hello? I am trying to have fun, lol, this isn’t some job. Anyway, after I redid my move, and he ruined my fun for a second time I screamed, called him a tryhard, and flipped the table.

Seriously, people are annoying. XD