Guild Wars 2

HEY Mandar… this is not news

But you know that.

GuardianOMS.8067:

HEY Mandar… this is not news

But you know that.

OF course I know that. I want to post it as a shout at them. I am hoping if more people shout about it, maybe they might start paying attention. I prefaced as much in my first sentence :P.

I think they did promise us some new and updated achievements, but meh haven’t seen them yet.

Also, afaik. The Real Avenger, or what ever the kill count achi is, is the only humanly doable from all of them. Others need like years of sick grinding.

We have shouted at them, ANet does not respond to it. There have also been several calculations on how long it would take to earn said achievements. They are aware, they either don’t care to respond, think it is valid, or are secretly working on it. I’ve accepted the fact that broken things in WvW will not be fixed unless they are critical. Would you like to join me and cry about how neglected WvW is?

Good luck on getting Yak Slapper. I’ll be back in six years to check on your progress.

Paavotar.3971:

I think they did promise us some new and updated achievements, but meh haven’t seen them yet.

Also, afaik. The Real Avenger, or what ever the kill count achi is, is the only humanly doable from all of them. Others need like years of sick grinding.

IKR and I know that 22k is kinda low compared to the ppl I tend to run with, and I will admit that about 6k of those are from the last 2 months or so due to being with the right ppl in WvW, but even at 8% after 10 months or dedicated WvWing…..it’s just silly.

WvW achievements are ANets sick way of saying “Go finish your personal story and do more PvE, you scrub.”

Paavotar.3971:

To be honest, I don’t mind if the top of the achievements are kinda unreachable, but the fact that you don’t really get any credit through the tree is kinda sad.

Updated Title every now and then would be perfect. I could show my server mates that I like to hug dolyaks or spank them. The last title is already “Ultimate XXX”, why can’t there be Apprentice, Trainee, Veteran, Champion, Master and so on titles scattered around the achievement tree?

The fact that they are nigh unreachable alone, I could deal with that. The esteem and bragging rights earned are appreciated for a great feat, but the expectation AND return on time-investment are Atrocious. When you look at the achievement points you get for completing them (5-10)….all the wind is taken out of your sails.

I think that it is OK if the #s needed are high. After a year, with only the last 3-4 months being spent in SERIOUS WvW guilds (NS being the most awesome ahem), I could accept being at 50% for most of these. Then I go and look at how easily I can get 5-10 achievement points doing jump puzzles, or crafting, or living story, and then toggle to pts for WvW achievements, and I want to throw up on someone’s face.

I am rank 285 I should have as many points kitten yet I am here with 2.7k and can’t even get the Hellfire gloves. Maybe the Only way for archi points is pve

The reward for each should be at least 10000 AP. They need to shift some zeroes from the number of kills etc needed to the AP gained. Typos happen

Alternatively split the 10000AP into stages. That would be preferable.

Right now, there are no WvW achievements, I’m not even looking at the tab. The only one that can be done before the game is discontinued in 15 years, is the WvW kills, which is wrong in itself, it should say WvW tags. It’s about tagging as many as possible, not about killing them. You don’t need to kill anyone to get that title! Hit them once and let others do the rest. The Ultimate Tagger?

GuardianOMS.8067:

WvW achievements are ANets sick way of saying “Go finish your personal story and do more PvE, you scrub.”

Honestly I think this has to play some role.

Especially now that they’ve added in achievement point chest rewards…it has made the difference between myself and some of my friends that much more obvious. I’ve played since the game came out, like the original poster probably 90% or more in WvW. I have around 3,500 achievement points to show for that. Compared to PvE people who EASILY have double that.

That doesn’t even bring up how much more money the people who have played PvE exclusively have accumulated over time compared to myself. Or how they have several fully decked out characters in Ascended gear while I"m still “Grinding” (Oh wait no…Anet doesn’t make grindy games so I must not be grinding right now).

I play the way I want to play. I’m glad that they let me do that (I only leveled my first character out of WvW, my other 3 have been exclusively in WvW from <level 10). However, every kick in the nuts that they give me by rewarding other people makes me less interested in playing the game. For me, it doesn’t make me want to play PvE….it just makes me want to not log in.

They have said they’re looking at making the rewards in WvW on par with PvE, including the achievement thingies… but it would be nice to hear something a little more about this as a whole. I’ve been known to spend a few moments of my time every now and then in WvW and wouldn’t mind at all that time having the same “value” (for want of a better word) as time spent in PvE with regards to achievement points.

VOLKON.1290:

They have said they’re looking at making the rewards in WvW on par with PvE, including the achievement thingies… but it would be nice to hear something a little more about this as a whole. I’ve been known to spend a few moments of my time every now and then in WvW and wouldn’t mind at all that time having the same “value” (for want of a better word) as time spent in PvE with regards to achievement points.

This is the real point here. Anet keep saying they want to encourage people into WvW. That’s why they’ve given us these nonsense ranks and titles. (They mean nothing to us real pro’s yes?)

But it’s not going to work while ever the reward for taking part is seen as less desirable. It’s actually seen as more ‘profitable’ to grind PvE monsters in Orr. (rofl!)

Contiguous.1345:

VOLKON.1290:

They have said they’re looking at making the rewards in WvW on par with PvE, including the achievement thingies… but it would be nice to hear something a little more about this as a whole. I’ve been known to spend a few moments of my time every now and then in WvW and wouldn’t mind at all that time having the same “value” (for want of a better word) as time spent in PvE with regards to achievement points.

This is the real point here. Anet keep saying they want to encourage people into WvW. That’s why they’ve given us these nonsense ranks and titles. (They mean nothing to us real pro’s yes?)

But it’s not going to work while ever the reward for taking part is seen as less desirable. It’s actually seen as more ‘profitable’ to grind PvE monsters in Orr. (rofl!)

Don’t add venom to my post where none was intended please. I still enjoy the hell out of WvW regardless of the other rewards. I’m only saying it would be a nice touch to bring the AP rewards for avid WvW folks on par with the others, that’s all. Either way, I’ll be in WvW and loving it. The wxp, by the way, I think that’s a really nice feature that adds a lot to the experience. Maybe achievement points could be tied to WvW levels? That would help some I believe…

VOLKON.1290:

Contiguous.1345:

VOLKON.1290:

They have said they’re looking at making the rewards in WvW on par with PvE, including the achievement thingies… but it would be nice to hear something a little more about this as a whole. I’ve been known to spend a few moments of my time every now and then in WvW and wouldn’t mind at all that time having the same “value” (for want of a better word) as time spent in PvE with regards to achievement points.

This is the real point here. Anet keep saying they want to encourage people into WvW. That’s why they’ve given us these nonsense ranks and titles. (They mean nothing to us real pro’s yes?)

But it’s not going to work while ever the reward for taking part is seen as less desirable. It’s actually seen as more ‘profitable’ to grind PvE monsters in Orr. (rofl!)

Don’t add venom to my post where none was intended please. I still enjoy the hell out of WvW regardless of the other rewards. I’m only saying it would be a nice touch to bring the AP rewards for avid WvW folks on par with the others, that’s all. Either way, I’ll be in WvW and loving it. The wxp, by the way, I think that’s a really nice feature that adds a lot to the experience. Maybe achievement points could be tied to WvW levels? That would help some I believe…

Not a clue what you’re objecting to. My opinions are my own. I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with you. I quoted you as a self-confessed WvW dilettante. (Now THAT’S venom :P)

Contiguous.1345:

VOLKON.1290:

Contiguous.1345:

VOLKON.1290:

They have said they’re looking at making the rewards in WvW on par with PvE, including the achievement thingies… but it would be nice to hear something a little more about this as a whole. I’ve been known to spend a few moments of my time every now and then in WvW and wouldn’t mind at all that time having the same “value” (for want of a better word) as time spent in PvE with regards to achievement points.

This is the real point here. Anet keep saying they want to encourage people into WvW. That’s why they’ve given us these nonsense ranks and titles. (They mean nothing to us real pro’s yes?)

But it’s not going to work while ever the reward for taking part is seen as less desirable. It’s actually seen as more ‘profitable’ to grind PvE monsters in Orr. (rofl!)

Don’t add venom to my post where none was intended please. I still enjoy the hell out of WvW regardless of the other rewards. I’m only saying it would be a nice touch to bring the AP rewards for avid WvW folks on par with the others, that’s all. Either way, I’ll be in WvW and loving it. The wxp, by the way, I think that’s a really nice feature that adds a lot to the experience. Maybe achievement points could be tied to WvW levels? That would help some I believe…

Not a clue what you’re objecting to. My opinions are my own. I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with you. I quoted you as a self-confessed WvW dilettante. (Now THAT’S venom :P)

Dilettante… um… brb…

Hey! … ok, that was good. /salute

DevonCarver.5370:

I’ve said it before, and I will repeat it here. We are aware of the problems with the WvW achievements and will be doing more to address them in the near future. Currently it is more complicated to solve the problems than I would like, which means we need to have a fully comprehensive solution before doing anything.

I may or may not be in the minority on this, but it’s appreciated that you all take the time to do things right as opposed to snap decisions without considering consequences.

Oh look, shouting worked. My bad.

Oh look, “We’re working on it.”

Offer to cry in a corner still available. Anyone…?

GuardianOMS.8067:

Oh look, shouting worked. My bad.

Oh look, “We’re working on it.”

What? This is about the third time they’ve responded to this? What are they supposed to say other than “We’re working on it.” when they are working on it and it isn’t finished?

“We’re working on it” is the response we get to just about every WvW issue that has been in since launch. I don’t expect results, and I don’t expect to rush them. But what I want to hear is, “Don’t worry, Mike brought in cake for the office and everyone is having a fantastic day, thanks for asking!”

GuardianOMS.8067:

“We’re working on it” is the response we get to just about every WvW issue that has been in since launch. I don’t expect results, and I don’t expect to rush them. But what I want to hear is, “Don’t worry, Mike brought in cake for the office and everyone is having a fantastic day, thanks for asking!”

kitten it, now I want cake -.-

GuardianOMS.8067:

“We’re working on it” is the response we get to just about every WvW issue that has been in since launch. I don’t expect results, and I don’t expect to rush them. But what I want to hear is, “Don’t worry, Mike brought in cake for the office and everyone is having a fantastic day, thanks for asking!”

Then I am admittedly confused. O_o

I do wish the achievements were more balanced. I would prefer to WvW most nights but I often quit early to spend an hour farming achievement points in pve.

thanks Devon! that’s a good answer as we would hate to see a bandaid in place of a solid long term solution. hopefully the achv. pts will be backdated once the solution is implemented.

Too worried about adding pve content every 2 weeks to fix wvw bugs/achievements

GuardianOMS.8067:

“We’re working on it”

You know when they say that, it may actually be true.

“Politically correct” responses may annoy you, but I guarantee if Devon said something like “we will have it adjusted in one month” and it didn’t happen in one month. People would nerd rage the forums for YEARS afterwards.

My advice to you is just relax. Devon has done more for WvW the last few months than we saw in the 6 months following GW2’s release.

Devon <3

Achievements are intended to be eared. Not handed out. 90% of the game is easy mode in PvE when it comes to content, don’t do the same for WvW. Allot of people enjoy things the way they are, the current system gives goals and activities for long-time WvW focused players. If players are dedicated, and involved in the WvW community, allot of the rewards come quite easily.

“Soon”

Drtrider.6314:

If players are dedicated, and involved in the WvW community, allot of the rewards come quite easily.

No.

Aside from the kills achievement, none of the achievements are possible in any sort of reasonable timeframe. The maths have been posted many times.

Drtrider.6314:

Achievements are intended to be eared. Not handed out. 90% of the game is easy mode in PvE when it comes to content, don’t do the same for WvW. Allot of people enjoy things the way they are, the current system gives goals and activities for long-time WvW focused players. If players are dedicated, and involved in the WvW community, allot of the rewards come quite easily.

no, the time and dedication it takes for some of these WvW achievements is ridiculous. adjustments and progression points are needed.

Drtrider.6314:

Achievements are intended to be eared. Not handed out. 90% of the game is easy mode in PvE when it comes to content, don’t do the same for WvW. Allot of people enjoy things the way they are, the current system gives goals and activities for long-time WvW focused players. If players are dedicated, and involved in the WvW community, allot of the rewards come quite easily.

Do you actually have any idea what you are talking about ? Do you have any experience in wvw ?
All of those achievements are completely ridiculous.
I am a long time wvw focused player and I have no more than 5% on all of the achievs, besides kills acheivement which is reasonable I guess.

GuardianOMS.8067:

“We’re working on it” is the response we get to just about every WvW issue that has been in since launch.

Actually, the response we get most of the time (on those few occasions where we actually get one) is more like “We’re aware of the problem and hope to be working on it soon.” Big difference.

Let’s all just face it, WvW is very low in priority for ANet. That gets proven almost every week. ANet proudly proclaimed they have four full development teams outputting new PvE content every two weeks without even a mention of what they have dedicated to WvW (last we heard it was two part time devs). The recent blog post from Colin describing the proposed changes to GW2 for the rest of the year listed exactly one concrete change for WvW, and that was the reinstatement of orbs … which apparently was so difficult to do that it took a year of programming to accomplish. The only other reference was to Devon’s incredibly vague “vision of the future” for WvW that he posted about seven weeks ago:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/devon-carver-on-the-future-of-world-vs-world/

I mean really … I challenge anyone to read that and come away with any idea of what to expect and when.

WvW was an excellent concept and the reason I migrated to GW2 … but unfortunately it is one that has been strangled by neglect and ineptitude. If anything, the resources devoted to it now appear to be less than ever before.

SoPP.7034:

GuardianOMS.8067:

“We’re working on it”

You know when they say that, it may actually be true.

“Politically correct” responses may annoy you, but I guarantee if Devon said something like “we will have it adjusted in one month” and it didn’t happen in one month. People would nerd rage the forums for YEARS afterwards.

My advice to you is just relax. Devon has done more for WvW the last few months than we saw in the 6 months following GW2’s release.

Devon <3

That’s bullkitten. It has been proven time and time again in marketing and customer satisfaction surveys that the very worst thing a company can do, bar none … even producing bad product … is to ignore their customer base and tell them nothing. Lack of response to an issue is what makes a customer feel helpless, and customers would actually prefer to argue with a company than be ignored by it. The idea that ANet is better off saying nothing than saying something that MAY turn out to be inaccurate is patently false. Customers will almost always cut you some slack for trying … they will NEVER excuse you for ignoring them.

1: people kittened that the devs did not respond to us, and some sort okittennowledgement would be better
2: we are getting that acknowledgement now, and people are kittening that they are just showing us they are aware.

The guild wars community as a whole have turned completely immature.

ArkAngel.7940:

1: people kittened that the devs did not respond to us, and some sort okittennowledgement would be better
2: we are getting that acknowledgement now, and people are kittening that they are just showing us they are aware.

The guild wars community as a whole have turned completely immature.

I’m not sure that auto-response of “we’re aware of this, but can’t say any more at present” is quite what people had in mind. That could be done by a bot.

I agree the forums and playerbase are whiney, but there are still valid complaints.

Although if they’ve programmed a forum-response bot, it shows that at least they’re doing something. So good news!

Don’t let them rush it.
If they raise the Archievement points to much u will see all these pve’rs in WvW just for the AP.
They will do some good things like Takeing towers/keeps/camps and slapping dollies :P.
But they will also drain Supply just to get teh Repair or Built archievement for the 1000AP it would then give.

And i doubt u like to defend a keep that has 0 Supply because some idiot builded all Trebs catas ac ballistas at a spot where u can’t even use it to defend.

So they have to come up with a Decent AP reward together with the time it takes to archieve it. I already hate to see those AP junkies comeing to WvW for the daily and monthly while they do nothing to help the server. They just go to the place thats under attack to get the Repair Daily. or they follow the zerg for the 10 WvW invader kills and leave as soon as it gets though because then they would waste time while they could gather more AP.

But i do agree its sad that The monthly almost gives more Ap then the WvW archievements themself.

Lets hope they can find a good solid solution.

Yes at the current rate Ill be getting a WvW acheivement in somewhat 40-50 years.

this can be a good meme:
-Created the game
-don’t know how to repair problems.

DevonCarver.5370:

I’d like to think I’ve shown that when I have a timeframe I can talk about, I do so, but there are many, many things that don’t clear up until closer to being ready to release. Rather than get all your hopes up with phrases like “We appreciate your concern and we’ll have a solution soon!” I try and be a little more realistic. In this case, achievements in WvW do not match the achievements in the rest of the game in terms of the amount of effort required to achieve them or the reward for that effort. But it’s not as easy as just saying “Let there be new achievements” We are going to have to do some complicated things to let people keep what they have already done in addition to adding new achievements. So, I’d love to be more informative in terms of date, but I don’t know either, so I can’t.

I kinda hoped you’d have this figured out as soon as there’s gold and skins involved for achievements, heh.

Achievements are in a weird place. The Hall of Monument ones got like 20x increased with no warning. Living Story gives like 10 free points every 2 weeks for talking to NPCs.

The points are just handed out so easily already everywhere else (heck, at rank 12 PvP I have 150% more points than rank 100+ for WvW – nevermind all the WvW I played before the ranking system), I just want to say give us all a few thousand already =P No one can argue we’re not puttin the hours in!

Very appropriate and reasonable response. Unfortunately people here are still going to complain ;/

Easy solution: 1AP for every yak escorted. Hardcore WvW folks should then get a few thousand points, and those pve people who would come in for easy AP would actually be helping the server. :p

Atrophied.8725:

Easy solution: 1AP for every yak escorted. Hardcore WvW folks should then get a few thousand points, and those pve people who would come in for easy AP would actually be helping the server. :p

We really don’t want 50 yak escorting bot trains again, do we?

Vol.5241:

Very appropriate and reasonable response. Unfortunately people here are still going to complain ;/

You just proved my point above. Customers will WAY more prefer a response of some sort … even if it doesn’t actually say anything useful other than “we’re sorry we aren’t able to do something and don’t know when we will because we’ve kind of painted ourselves into a corner.”

And I’m more glad that they’ll take the time (from what it sounds like) so the achievements are retroactive rather than having everyone start over with whatever new achievements there are. I’d rather them do that and get a massive influx on achievements done when they’re introduced than them bring in a new system where none of my past work is “rewarded”

I’d be happy just to see some silly achievements in WvW like Warhammer online had back in the day.
Get killed by a catapult shot? Get achievement and ‘the squashed’ title.
Die in less than 2 seconds? Get achievement and ‘the squishy’ title
Killed by lava font? Get achievement and ‘the toasted’ title
Killed by ride the lightning? Get achievement and ‘the shocked’ title
Kill 100 elementalists? get achievment and ‘Mage Slayer’ title
etc etc etc

Add simple, fun and ridiculous stuff in there that just naturally happens while you play WvW. Keep the never ending out of reach stuff there for the truly dedicated.

DevonCarver.5370:

We are going to have to do some complicated things to let people keep what they have already done in addition to adding new achievements. So, I’d love to be more informative in terms of date, but I don’t know either, so I can’t.

Uh… you knew these achievements were unrealistic at least 6 months ago. Today you’re still telling us anything good about it…

All I read is a lot of pretty words that when put together don’t mean much.