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so what we got a New WvW Border that we most likely hand over to the Karma train PvE-players after we spent a week or two Exploring it like we did with EotM. Siege get even more focus when u get more ppt to hold Towers,Keeps longer and the new Map incorporates PvE content to gain an advantage in the Border.

So all we WvW players that want to ACTUALLY kittening fight out enemies instead of running around doing PvE crap in a WvW Map we get what ? No Bounty System, no Warband UI, no more play on rewarding actual fights.

Map looks intresting but all I see is a EotM v2. and tbh we have a ok WvW-player base atm tho NOT what it once was and by the time this Expansion is out Camelot Unchained would be moveing towards Beta and imho WvW will die in Gw2.

Removal of Orbs – Ruins instead of Lakes – EotM – OS …..wow Anet WvW gets so much love over 2.5y

I think everyone is just frustrated about the way the match-ups have been going. When a server can not compete with a blob server it gets old real fast. No way should these match-ups happen. I am on NSP and two servers are losing to the match-ups we have been getting by a long shot.
This is the judgement part because nothing gets fixed. This is the first Anet post I have seen in WvW forums in a long time.

I will reserve my judgement somewhat but as you see what I staited above as WvW-Players its bin 2,5y of hopeing rather then actually gettin some love. and if u say EotM turned out they u planned I loose all hope. Its NOT a WvW Map. Dont get me wrong i love new class,new weapons, new traits and even some Exploring I guess but for pure WvW I saw what I saw and more I heard Colin.

Iam also not hearing the “masteries” actually extending into WvW so even that sounds only for PvE based players ? so what we get is Traits,1 Class,Weapons and a Map that will most likely be awesome and very detailed I just have 2 concerns: Is it actually gonna be for us or is it another EotM and/or is it gonna be a beacon leaving the other 4 Maps desolated.

Still getting expansion since over 2,5y I have a skin of STEEl

tnx for response tho Devon

Hey Devon, will the new WvW updates be actually based on player feedback? On all the past CDIs, discussions and suggestions?

Lets just hope they don’t count the eotm community and wishes as the wvw population.

Nick.6972:

Hey Devon, will the new WvW updates be actually based on player feedback? On all the past CDIs, discussions and suggestions?

They’re making defense (i.e. siege and scouting) more important. What do you think………………………….

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Deli.1302:

Nick.6972:

Hey Devon, will the new WvW updates be actually based on player feedback? On all the past CDIs, discussions and suggestions?

They’re making defense (i.e. siege and scouting) more important. What do you think………………………….

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With the lava mechanic sounding a lot like the automated turrets that seem to cover a third of the map so much for fights undisturbed by the environment/pve.

Baratta.1083:

I think everyone is just frustrated about the way the match-ups have been going. When a server can not compete with a blob server it gets old real fast. No way should these match-ups happen. I am on NSP and two servers are losing to the match-ups we have been getting by a long shot.
This is the judgement part because nothing gets fixed. This is the first Anet post I have seen in WvW forums in a long time.

The completely broken matchups in T3 are not being caused by the matchmaking system, they’re being caused by the very poor decisions of players who decided to create 4 T2 servers. There is no possible matchmaking system that could prevent T3 from having one server (the T2 dropdown) from vastly outnumbering the other two.

• “navigate treacherous heights”
• “traps that blow your foes to the depths below”
• “ferocious defenders to help keep the enemies at bay”

Sounds just like EotM to me. It’d be foolish to ignore two and a half years worth of past actions which tell us:

Failed Skyhammer —> failed BL bloodlust ruins --> failed EotM.

Is the next one

—> successful EotM BL?

From past history, doubtful.

less holding objects, more actual fights!

I’m just wondering, Anet has announced this map as bigger then any other WvW map and directly linked to the other BL’s and EB. There is already a huge playerbase that are crying because their server is dead and adding another map isn’t gonna help in any way in those cases. Since i presume that anet knows this i’d presume that they are currently working on a different matchup system. Anet could you give any information about this? :p

For the rest, hearing those upgrades and buffs on the keeps such as lava mechanics etc. it kinda sounds unbalancing. To bad that ththey didn’t redesign the current BL maps. i’d love to have like a borderlands map rotation of 4-5 different maps, switched every week ;p.

Actual gameplay mode/karma training aside, I’m more concerned with the fact its a new WvW map.

We all remember what EoTM did. It devastated regular WvW maps. Sure EB could still be populated, but borderlands was almost killed. Now there will be another map which once again will thin out WvW population.

That’s why so many of us requested the borderlands and EB to be updated and brought to a new level instead of making new things. EoTM is an awesome map in terms of design, leaps and bounds above the “old” borderlands, I am sure that this new border will be just as great in design… which is only going to make it worse and ultimately bad for the entire WvW mode

Devon.8306:

I appreciate that you are interested in finding out more of what will be in the new map, but we didn’t show anything about it in the trailer that could lead you to the conclusions here. We’ll be talking about it a lot more and showing it off soon. At the least I’d hope you can reserve judgement until then.

Im not really upset about a new map. New maps are cool. But it doesnt fix the wound that hurts WvW which should be top priority when handling WvW and thats creating a ppt system that doesn’t revolve around population, whatever it takes.

the krytan assassin.9235:

There is already a huge playerbase that are crying because their server is dead and adding another map isn’t gonna help in any way in those cases. Since i presume that anet knows this i’d presume that they are currently working on a different matchup system. Anet could you give any information about this? :p

Why would you presume that? We have a wealth of past history to look at and that history tells us (given no announcement) nothing’s going to change except a new BL.

They’re probably hoping the expansion brings in new players who can repopulate the servers. It just might work. But with the basic problems unaddressed, the initial bump of new players will give way to declining population soon enough and we’ll be where we are now in the end.

Lord Kuru.3685:

the krytan assassin.9235:

There is already a huge playerbase that are crying because their server is dead and adding another map isn’t gonna help in any way in those cases. Since i presume that anet knows this i’d presume that they are currently working on a different matchup system. Anet could you give any information about this? :p

Why would you presume that? We have a wealth of past history to look at and that history tells us (given no announcement) nothing’s going to change except a new BL.

They’re probably hoping the expansion brings in new players who can repopulate the servers. It just might work. But with the basic problems unaddressed, the initial bump of new players will give way to declining population soon enough and we’ll be where we are now in the end.

Ofc there’s a chance that we’re gonna get more pve players because of the new map, but if this doesn’t happen we’re gonna end up having major problems. The new map will drain and spread out more of the WvW community and therefore can cause major problems. I know that there is no announcement yet in changing the current system, however it would be really strange if Anet intends to hurt the low populated servers even more

It wont be a EOTM map, it’s supposed to be a BL rotation. I have already posted my disappointment that after all this wait we only get one new WvW BL map and some yet to detail WvW changes in defense of towers.

We should have had this map last year, this map should be at minimum the 3rd WvW BL map.

But again we’ll have to wait and see.
It will refresh the stale state of WvW at the moment, and I am hopeful it will bring some old players back to check out the changes.

The new PvP mode will allow GvGs, great for GvG players as well.

BUT WvW deserves more attention!

And what I really want to know is and answer from anet: Why should WvW players buy your expansion for just one much delayed map?!

All I want is a map with a big keep in the center where we all get one tower to start and continually blob the crap outta it. Sry, my needs are simple.

Pinkamena Diane Pie.8054:

And what I really want to know is and answer from anet: Why should WvW players buy your expansion for just one much delayed map?!

It would be interesting to know if it is even necessary to own the expansion in order to play this map.

Did you guys even listen to what he said? He made it very clear that rewards will be more based on keeping towers and keeps, so how is this in any way the same as EotM? In EotM it is fast cap and karma train, needing to keep towers and keeps is not karma train friendly there for they prevent the map to become karma train.

Hmm there are some good questions here.. Won’t this paid expansion split up the players who buy it and those that don’t. Basically what is going to happen to WvW now for those that don’t purchase the new expansion? Do they still get access to the new map or is it just for those that buy the expansion?

wll, let me put it this way devon, if u put tower next to a road leading to new part of map then its a fail… tower need to protect the road… idk if my english is clear enough…

Pinkamena Diane Pie.8054:

It wont be a EOTM map, it’s supposed to be a BL rotation. I have already posted my disappointment that after all this wait we only get one new WvW BL map and some yet to detail WvW changes in defense of towers.

We should have had this map last year, this map should be at minimum the 3rd WvW BL map.

But again we’ll have to wait and see.
It will refresh the stale state of WvW at the moment, and I am hopeful it will bring some old players back to check out the changes.

The new PvP mode will allow GvGs, great for GvG players as well.

BUT WvW deserves more attention!

And what I really want to know is and answer from anet: Why should WvW players buy your expansion for just one much delayed map?!

Not it wont. Its just stronghold an spvp mode that allows you to rep guilds. GvG guilds just want to fight other guilds 15v15 or 20v20 in an arena. Thats super easy to do, just give us an instanced OS in our guild halls.

The problem with EOTM isnt the map PvE elements, it’s the lack of reason to defend because PPT are not added to the server score.

People just don’t know what they want. If you can just fight you wanna defend and if you need to defend you just wanna fight.

Pinkamena Diane Pie.8054:

It wont be a EOTM map, it’s supposed to be a BL rotation. I have already posted my disappointment that after all this wait we only get one new WvW BL map and some yet to detail WvW changes in defense of towers.

We should have had this map last year, this map should be at minimum the 3rd WvW BL map.

But again we’ll have to wait and see.
It will refresh the stale state of WvW at the moment, and I am hopeful it will bring some old players back to check out the changes.

The new PvP mode will allow GvGs, great for GvG players as well.

BUT WvW deserves more attention!

And what I really want to know is and answer from anet: Why should WvW players buy your expansion for just one much delayed map?!

5v5 isnt a gvg

Rewards for killing other Guilds/Players were are those ? Rewards in WvW that even come close to matching those u get in PvE were are those ? More Siege just meens more kittening AC’s and thats NOT fighting,Skill or any tactic its just kitten.

So much is now hanging on 1 Map, 1 Map after 3y ?

Devon.8306:

I appreciate that you are interested in finding out more of what will be in the new map, but we didn’t show anything about it in the trailer that could lead you to the conclusions here. We’ll be talking about it a lot more and showing it off soon. At the least I’d hope you can reserve judgement until then.

Tell you why I for one think it sounds like another EOTM, the wording of the announcement: “Navigate treacherous heights with traps that blow your foes to the depths below and ferocious defenders to help keep the enemy at bay. Map objectives will be more important than ever before, as they’ll unlock new strategies, tactics, and play mechanics that you’ll want to use to your world’s advantage!”

Sounds like EOTM to me.

morrolan.9608:

Devon.8306:

I appreciate that you are interested in finding out more of what will be in the new map, but we didn’t show anything about it in the trailer that could lead you to the conclusions here. We’ll be talking about it a lot more and showing it off soon. At the least I’d hope you can reserve judgement until then.

Tell you why I for one think it sounds like another EOTM, the wording of the announcement: “Navigate treacherous heights with traps that blow your foes to the depths below and ferocious defenders to help keep the enemy at bay. Map objectives will be more important than ever before, as they’ll unlock new strategies, tactics, and play mechanics that you’ll want to use to your world’s advantage!”

Sounds like EOTM to me.

Wait what? People use siege in EoTM? Besides rams and scorpions? They play EoTM for new strategies, tactics and play mechanics?? Players defend stuff in EoTM?

EoTM was fun when it first came out because it was massive fights. Something I’ve never really experienced being on a lower tier server outside of 3-ways in SM lords room. That is all long and gone and is pretty much a k-train map now. For that reason I hate it.

Actually normal WvW is becoming stale since players seem to like to run around, PvD until a zerg shows up and then they run for the hills and don’t even put up a fight..

So I’m excited for this new map.. Maybe it will change the way WvW is being played and what WvW has become.. Maybe it will introduce new tactics and strategies instead of the Blobbitty blob blob everything.. Maybe not but I think it is too early to even make a judgement at this point..

Devon.8306:

I appreciate that you are interested in finding out more of what will be in the new map, but we didn’t show anything about it in the trailer that could lead you to the conclusions here. We’ll be talking about it a lot more and showing it off soon. At the least I’d hope you can reserve judgement until then.

May I ask what is going on with the Alliances idea the devs liked most from whole CDI thread? It has been months. One would have expected today to finally hear a thing about WvW balance. But nope.(not surprised myself).

Oh btw…. WvW achievement adjustment. Just a reminder.

PvE Megaserver….meet WvW Megaserver in alliances.
My worst case scenario guess.
New maps should be fun though You CAN WvW in eotm if you try hard enough. Being an oversized, really megaserver, map of its own it makes it hard to. Megablobs. For some reason though, my computer can handle the oversized blobs there better than in WvW maps… (I have a moody computer that is top notch minus the OS yet hates my guts, don’t mind that comment unless you know my pain).

From the few frames that were shown on the trailer, the map seems massive (and that’s good, as long as there’s enough people to fill it up), and I bet the designers learned a lesson or two from EOTM and the ruins redesign, so we’ll probably see more use of vertical space and hopefully less slanted terrain (that is horrible to fight on).

Most importantly, the map is a borderland, so we’ll actually get to play it, to “feel” it like WvW, unlike EOTM.

We can only hope all the other issues – population imbalance, PPT, abysmal rewards – get addressed as well.

I have a thing or two to say about this. First off, I have played WvW since launch. It is a fantastic game mode that, I acknowledge, has not had enough attention compared to PvE, but that is understandable since most of the gw2 population plays PvE. I anticipated a new map being released as soon as it was verified as an expansion. Now that WvW is finally getting something, all you are doing is looking BACKWARDS a at what didn’t happen months ago instead of being excited that now we have had two major WvW patches (sneak attack, even though some of you complain this didnt show any effort, and the newly announced map).
Now, I understand your frustration, but it should not lead to you making inaccurate assumptions about the work of the devs on this map. Yes, some of the changes implemented in WvW have been unpopular, but many of the major ones have been indisputably beneficial to the game (WvW points is the main one im thinking of). As the dev said, there haven’t even been pictures released of the map. You are simply assuming that they will make it like EOTM, which it was explicitly stated would not happen (in the PAX). They are trying to implement newer ideas, which I personally think sound awesome, and you should be happy that something is being done rather than nothing.
Also, I’m fairly sure that this map is going to be a borderland map (my interpretation of what I have read on it, correct me if I’m wrong). This means it can’t be thrown away to Ktrainers because dedicated WvW players care about home and enemy BLs. (Again, I couldn’t watch the PAX so I may be mistaken on the way this map is being implemented. If so, someone please correct me)
Finally, I would like to say thank you thank you to Anet for implementing a new map in the upcoming expansion, even though a release date would be much appreciated ????. I am personally very excited about this new map

While I love new maps, this one raises 3 concerns:

- Mechanics that will imbalance PvP battles similar to EotM.
- Annoying knockback battles near cliff edges similar to EotM.
- Anything else that makes it too similar to EoTM.

I will hold my final judgment until I playtest the map but right now I’m skeptical. I would have rather had PvE maps converted into standard WvW maps.

oscuro.9720:

I have a thing or two to say about this. First off, I have played WvW since launch. It is a fantastic game mode that, I acknowledge, has not had enough attention compared to PvE, but that is understandable since most of the gw2 population plays PvE. I anticipated a new map being released as soon as it was verified as an expansion. Now that WvW is finally getting something, all you are doing is looking BACKWARDS a at what didn’t happen months ago instead of being excited that now we have had two major WvW patches (sneak attack, even though some of you complain this didnt show any effort, and the newly announced map).
Now, I understand your frustration, but it should not lead to you making inaccurate assumptions about the work of the devs on this map. Yes, some of the changes implemented in WvW have been unpopular, but many of the major ones have been indisputably beneficial to the game (WvW points is the main one im thinking of). As the dev said, there haven’t even been pictures released of the map. You are simply assuming that they will make it like EOTM, which it was explicitly stated would not happen (in the PAX). They are trying to implement newer ideas, which I personally think sound awesome, and you should be happy that something is being done rather than nothing.
Also, I’m fairly sure that this map is going to be a borderland map (my interpretation of what I have read on it, correct me if I’m wrong). This means it can’t be thrown away to Ktrainers because dedicated WvW players care about home and enemy BLs. (Again, I couldn’t watch the PAX so I may be mistaken on the way this map is being implemented. If so, someone please correct me)
Finally, I would like to say thank you thank you to Anet for implementing a new map in the upcoming expansion, even though a release date would be much appreciated ????. I am personally very excited about this new map

I agree with a lot of what you stated. I am also a WvW player myself, through beta, launch and still today.

We have not been given much detail on any of it, and at least it does show Anet is thinking about WvW a bit. I mean they could have said “No new borderland map” and then there would be complaints about that.(As there are complaints now for the addition of a new map.)

Seems players want to just complain weather or not they get a new WvW map.

(Now I do agree with concerns over it being too much like EOTM, however I will reserve judgment on that until I play on the new map a bit..lol)

is one of those moments when ppl say anet is not playing www. Already from upper-mid T3, servers don’t have enough ppl to scout every tower or objective. During the day, map is empty except main keep. So when I see the devs saying you need to hold this and that, you gonna activate whatever gimmick… WITH WHO?

spiritus.7983:

is one of those moments when ppl say anet is not playing www. Already from upper-mid T3, servers don’t have enough ppl to scout every tower or objective. During the day, map is empty except main keep. So when I see the devs saying you need to hold this and that, you gonna activate whatever gimmick… WITH WHO?

You see, this is what I’m talking about the problem is with “population imbalance”. The world is made of three types of people:
1) The people who complain that things aren’t getting done
2) The people who’s get the kitten done
3) And the people who don’t give a kitten
90% of the players in WvW are either 1s or 3s. And this than divides servers. The servers who have the most 2s will get a lot of kitten done because a 2 looks at a situation and doesn’t quit until they are victorious.
Let me give u a scenario: say Kaineng is faced up against a server that has so much coverage an numbers, they spawn camp is LITERALLY everywhere. I’m talking Zergs at all 3 exits of every spawn on every map. I’m just gonna try to kill as many of those noobs as I can before I die, and I will keep doing it until they get tired of killing me or I kill all of them. This never happens, and I am a bit of an extremist.
So how does this solve your problem?
Hold the thing YOURSELF, activate the thing-a-mabober YOURSELF! Obviously there isn’t no one on the map of you are there. Last time I checked, if you actually bother to log on, you are considered a player. That is the point im trying to make. Don’t be so caught up in your zerg that you forget how to think for your self. I don’t give a kitten what rank you are or how many kills you have if you have done all of that through zerging. If you can’t defend something by yourself, you aren’t a REAL wvwer. Quite honestly, I dint believe you can call yourself a evert until you can solo a tower, and if you sit in a zerg all of your time in WvW, you probably can’t.
Moral of the rant:
Stop moping, grow a pair, and get the kitten done YOURSELF!

What is the matter with people? We have hardly had any information about new WvW content and yet people are complaining already.

Anet have given us WvW and EotM and it is the players who ultimately turn it into what is has become. EotM is a good map turned bad by the players but of course, they will never take responsibility for their actions, it is always somebody else’s fault.

Anet provide the tools for people to screw up and look for ways to abuse the system. Want to change things in WvW? Change the way you play. The game may have some glaring flaws but it also has great potential the big problem is, too many people want to win and they don’t care how they do it.

EotM is NOT a good Map design at all when it comes to WvW content, its made for exp and Karma gain and and Badges bonuses. When someone says its a good Map turned bad by players I ponder if that player know what WvW is ?

Its a map that reward takeing over points instead of defending them, it rewards ppl to avoid each other instead of actually fighting and make no mistake players will take advantage of it but the Map promotes it in the first place. Then other then Supply it has NOTHING to do with the current WvW Match-Up wich also detach it from the WvW aspect. There is a reason PvE-players and Frostgorge-Sound/Orr Karma farmers took over the EotM after less then 2 weeks….

I just hope the new Map dosent suffer the same faith

Well map might be good. Maybe these 30 man guild blobs full of rucksack wearing chars stay out. Then there would be some point go play normal wvw.

In your opinion only. We have karma trains everywhere because a majority of people want the maximum reward for the minimum of effort and it is something Anet underestimated when planning WvW. Too many people want their own way and are too selfish to even consider other people at the expense of team play. Some people understand the concept of WvW, many don’t.

Anet are kitten ed if they do and kitten ed if they don’t do anything. There are always people who will complain without first knowing the facts and they are the same people who think they know better which, of course they don’t, but it doesn’t stop them trying to push their own personal agenda

I’m just glad theres a new true WvW map, so cool.

Anyone know what this stuff about it being in rotation means? Sounds great if they switch up the maps somehow.

Chairface.9036:

I’m just glad theres a new true WvW map, so cool.

Anyone know what this stuff about it being in rotation means? Sounds great if they switch up the maps somehow.

Either 1 week new Bl for all 3 maps or ever week the new Bl will change map. like green ble red.

Pretty sure at first week we get all 3 bL new ones and then it will start to rotate some how.
This brings up good thing that they are willing to make more WvW Bl maps because they allready have rotation system made.
Whit some sort of new basic idea how to make WvW maps faster and easyer.

I dont know, from the footage those maps looked really awesome.

Raap.9065:

While I love new maps, this one raises 3 concerns:

- Mechanics that will imbalance PvP battles similar to EotM.
- Annoying knockback battles near cliff edges similar to EotM.
- Anything else that makes it too similar to EoTM.

I will hold my final judgment until I playtest the map but right now I’m skeptical. I would have rather had PvE maps converted into standard WvW maps.

This is absolutely spot on why IMHO it sounds like another EOTM albeit in normal WvW map rotation. PvE mechanics interrupting the PvP battles.

tichai.4351:

What is the matter with people? We have hardly had any information about new WvW content and yet people are complaining already.

Perhaps anet should tone down the marketing bullkitten then.

Start preparing your zerg, you’ll need at least 10 Guardians with Stand Your Ground and Hallowed Ground.

Proof: http://i.imgur.com/IJV9WbG.png
Looks like Skyhammer.

Don’t worry about that Anet really has no idea what Wvw tactics are and how to place siege. Pretty sure it’s like the worse place ever. Just a show off. And we can’t even be sure that the new BL map.

Wait till we see the over all map look. PPL have been dissapoined and feeling down for Wvw very long time so most will c only bad.

Another rant in ignorance, there is just NO pleasing some people.

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