http://guildwars2hub.com/guides/basics/complete-guide-guild-missions
Welp.
Looks like WvW players got the short straw again. Personally I can’t even participate in many of these upcoming guild events because my map completion is right around 10%. It would take me 15 minutes just to run to the zone, much less find the guy. Many people in my guild are in the same boat as we are primarily a WvW guild. All of my characters have leveled up about 95% through WvW (I venture out for skill points and that’s about it).
There are no WvW guild missions.
My guild is split into 3 sub-guilds because as it stands, there is no reason to all be in the same guild and some very good reasons to split up. By splitting up we get more research slots and can bank up more buffs. Not only is WvW not very guild friendly, it actually encourages us to split up!
I has a sad.
Also it’s another way to earn ascended gear. Because it’s about time PvE players had a 3rd way to earn ascended gear. 4 months and I still can’t earn it in WvW.
I am just grumpy today!
Heck, even my exotic gear is mostly from PvE karma vendors in Orr. The WvW exotic gear was way too pricey in badge cost, there’s no selection of stats and I had tons of karma laying around and there are no WvW karma vendors with good gear anyway. :-p
I feel like the Oliver Twist of GW2. “Please sir, may I have another?”
It doesnt take long to run around and open up the maps and WP’s. I don’t really think you actually have to have world completion.
If you get a big group together you can run through a map in a few mins each. I dont PvE much anymore but after I hit 80 I just run around for an hour and open most of the world up so if I do PvE I can WP to where everyone is.
All we can hope for is massive WvWstuff in the March update. I honestly think if it is not huge this game may start to fail.
Also it’s another way to earn ascended gear. Because it’s about time PvE players had a 3rd way to earn ascended gear. 4 months and I still can’t earn it in WvW.
I am just grumpy today!
If you look at the picture, you can tell that the ascended gear will also cost only 5g, not sure if that will be the case with the release tonight, but that is easily obtainable by a WvW player. Also, the laurel system is easily obtainable in WvW. So in reality, PvErs only have Fractals over WvW atm.
As for the concerns of the OP, to have the guild events in WvW to me would bring about the same heartache that the jumping puzzle brings to WvW. There will be guilds that come in from PvE to solely do the guild event essentially taking the slots of the more hardcore WvWrs.
As someone who has leveled a necro 100% in WvW AND has map completion on top of that, I can’t sympathize with your concerns. Go out and explore some, it’s not too hard. These events were specifically designed to get EVERYONE involved in EVERYTHING, not just letting you hide in one corner of the game. Playing all the content = receiving all of the rewards, I like what they are doing and look forward to the challenges they raise.
If you look at the picture, you can tell that the ascended gear will also cost only 5g, not sure if that will be the case with the release tonight, but that is easily obtainable by a WvW player. Also, the laurel system is easily obtainable in WvW.
Monthly completions are worth 10 laurels, I hear. I wouldn’t know because I’ve never been able to complete a monthly in WvW.
PvE players have very little to spend money on and they make vastly more per hour than we do. 5g to them is pocket change. I don’t think I’ve ever had 5g in my hand. As it was I had to stop purchasing upgrades and really cut back my siege purchases so that I could afford to keep using consumables.
Even the things WvW has technical access to is much harder to obtain than via PvE.
These events were specifically designed to get EVERYONE involved in EVERYTHING
Oh?
Which part of them is designed to get anyone involved in WvW?
I am aboard this complain train.
WvW exotic gear might as well not exist. The heavy one shares its skin with low level PvE karma vendors. The stats can be gotten cheaper off PvE karma vendors in Orr and like half the dungeons I’m sure give them out anyway (and dungeons actually pay good money on top of the ridiculous fast way to earn badges). How is this still a situation? It’s like 6 months after release now! How come this is the only equipment we can earn in WvW?
The monthly achievement this month had dungeons. That was a lil’ ridiculous. Half my guild skipped it. Where’s the achievement for spendin an hour runnin over a map flippin camps to split people before makin a push on a fully upgraded tower while outmanned? or having spending half a gold repairing every night because there isn’t some glitchy AI abusin way to win every fight I’m in. What do PvE players spend their gold on if not repairs or buying siege other than drivin up prices on the tradin post?
Ugh, the guild mission ascended gear feels like a kick in the balls. I thought what they meant was “earn it in multiple ways, which includes people in WvW. We totally aren’t going to keep it away from them for 4 months, at which point they can have 1 after doing their dailies for 30 days”.
I also don’t think adding an ecto cost on top of the laurels is helping anyone other than PvE players who got too much gold. All the rich people in the game I know run dungeons or Fractals or play the trading post. None of them just play WvW a lot. At least for me, putting in a lot of hours in WvW only means that after I gear a character I have 5 gold left in the bank.
If ANets intention is to alienate and poop on WvW guilds/players, they are on the right path with this guild quest mamby pamby PvE land crap.
The really should just add a WvW daily/monthly. That way you don’t have PvE players in WvW trying to complete thier daily and WvW players don’t have to PvE to do thiers.
It could award badges and karma.
Also it’s another way to earn ascended gear. Because it’s about time PvE players had a 3rd way to earn ascended gear. 4 months and I still can’t earn it in WvW.
I am just grumpy today!
If you look at the picture, you can tell that the ascended gear will also cost only 5g, not sure if that will be the case with the release tonight, but that is easily obtainable by a WvW player. Also, the laurel system is easily obtainable in WvW. So in reality, PvErs only have Fractals over WvW atm.
As for the concerns of the OP, to have the guild events in WvW to me would bring about the same heartache that the jumping puzzle brings to WvW. There will be guilds that come in from PvE to solely do the guild event essentially taking the slots of the more hardcore WvWrs.
As someone who has leveled a necro 100% in WvW AND has map completion on top of that, I can’t sympathize with your concerns. Go out and explore some, it’s not too hard. These events were specifically designed to get EVERYONE involved in EVERYTHING, not just letting you hide in one corner of the game. Playing all the content = receiving all of the rewards, I like what they are doing and look forward to the challenges they raise.
I have 100% map completion already, thanks. I also am a lil’ proud to say I have done all the jumping puzzles. But I don’t want to grind things in PvE. I have lil’ patience for being inside Fractals or dungeons. I feel pretty done with that part.
The picture is 5 gold + 12 commendations. You only get guild commendations through doin the guild missions in open world PvE. What? My WvW guild is going to have to start doing an hour of PvE every day? I’m going to have to join a PvE guild every day for an hour? I don’t understand, this just highlights how out of whack the rewards between PvE players and WvW players are.
Laurel monthly was PvE. You had to do dungeons. I know WvW players that skipped it for that reason. Laurels are also ridiculous. It’s 1 equipment piece a month. There’s 6 pieces right now per character (not even counting you can’t get a backpiece without Fractals right now). I can gear a character once every 6 months? How long does it take doing Fractals? Things aren’t alright the way they are, dude.
If they suddenly are alright with the next patch, it’ll be like 5 months of “What the hell guys? I’m playin your game daily, where’s my bling too?”
The WvW content patch is coming, perhaps it will solve some of these obvious gear issues. Honestly though it is been so long since they did jack for WvW that I am sure it will fall flat on its face, expectation wise.
I am aboard this complain train.
WvW exotic gear might as well not exist. The heavy one shares its skin with low level PvE karma vendors. The stats can be gotten cheaper off PvE karma vendors in Orr and like half the dungeons I’m sure give them out anyway (and dungeons actually pay good money on top of the ridiculous fast way to earn badges). How is this still a situation? It’s like 6 months after release now! How come this is the only equipment we can earn in WvW?
The monthly achievement this month had dungeons. That was a lil’ ridiculous. Half my guild skipped it. Where’s the achievement for spendin an hour runnin over a map flippin camps to split people before makin a push on a fully upgraded tower while outmanned? or having spending half a gold repairing every night because there isn’t some glitchy AI abusin way to win every fight I’m in. What do PvE players spend their gold on if not repairs or buying siege other than drivin up prices on the tradin post?
Ugh, the guild mission ascended gear feels like a kick in the balls. I thought what they meant was “earn it in multiple ways, which includes people in WvW. We totally aren’t going to keep it away from them for 4 months, at which point they can have 1 after doing their dailies for 30 days”.
I also don’t think adding an ecto cost on top of the laurels is helping anyone other than PvE players who got too much gold. All the rich people in the game I know run dungeons or Fractals or play the trading post. None of them just play WvW a lot. At least for me, putting in a lot of hours in WvW only means that after I gear a character I have 5 gold left in the bank.
Where is the karma vendor for the heavy skin?
I am aboard this complain train.
WvW exotic gear might as well not exist. The heavy one shares its skin with low level PvE karma vendors. The stats can be gotten cheaper off PvE karma vendors in Orr and like half the dungeons I’m sure give them out anyway (and dungeons actually pay good money on top of the ridiculous fast way to earn badges). How is this still a situation? It’s like 6 months after release now! How come this is the only equipment we can earn in WvW?
The monthly achievement this month had dungeons. That was a lil’ ridiculous. Half my guild skipped it. Where’s the achievement for spendin an hour runnin over a map flippin camps to split people before makin a push on a fully upgraded tower while outmanned? or having spending half a gold repairing every night because there isn’t some glitchy AI abusin way to win every fight I’m in. What do PvE players spend their gold on if not repairs or buying siege other than drivin up prices on the tradin post?
Ugh, the guild mission ascended gear feels like a kick in the balls. I thought what they meant was “earn it in multiple ways, which includes people in WvW. We totally aren’t going to keep it away from them for 4 months, at which point they can have 1 after doing their dailies for 30 days”.
I also don’t think adding an ecto cost on top of the laurels is helping anyone other than PvE players who got too much gold. All the rich people in the game I know run dungeons or Fractals or play the trading post. None of them just play WvW a lot. At least for me, putting in a lot of hours in WvW only means that after I gear a character I have 5 gold left in the bank.
Where is the karma vendor for the heavy skin?
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lionguard_Armor
Maybe I was mistaken. I thought you could get the Lionguard armour in the game.
Heck, even my exotic gear is mostly from PvE karma vendors in Orr. The WvW exotic gear was way too pricey in badge cost, there’s no selection of stats and I had tons of karma laying around and there are no WvW karma vendors with good gear anyway. :-p
I feel like the Oliver Twist of GW2. “Please sir, may I have another?”
All the badges I got I spend on siege weapons. It was the only way I can afford to be a commander and not go bankrupt. T_T
I will totally rage if they roll out new items that costs badges. As of today I only got ONE badge left.
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Monthly completions are worth 10 laurels, I hear. I wouldn’t know because I’ve never been able to complete a monthly in WvW.
PvE players have very little to spend money on and they make vastly more per hour than we do. 5g to them is pocket change. I don’t think I’ve ever had 5g in my hand. As it was I had to stop purchasing upgrades and really cut back my siege purchases so that I could afford to keep using consumables.
Even the things WvW has technical access to is much harder to obtain than via PvE.
I’m sorry you couldn’t take the time to do 7 dungeon runs. One of the CoF paths takes like 10-15 minutes to complete. I stand by my statement that playing all content = receiving all rewards. You can still obtain laurels via dailies, it will just take longer.
I can generate 1g a day (day = about 3-4 hours) in WvW sometimes more if we do well. This is with upgrading camps and towers. I use my badges for siege. 5g seems like a generous price to me for an ascended item.
EDIT: It was pointed out to me that it’s 5g AND the commendations which changes my stance slightly. The 5g is still not much however, even by WvW standards, but depending on the challenge and time consumption, WvW guild may fall behind on these events.
Oh?
Which part of them is designed to get anyone involved in WvW?
Touche, however I would argue that I wouldn’t want too much of this in WvW tbh like I stated in my post. I’ve actually been in WvW when a large PvE guild came through to do map completion and it was utter chaos because half of my guild (mainly WvW guild) couldn’t get in, and map chat was spammed with “can we please take this tower next, I need the POI.”
I will say they could do minor adjustments to fix this. They did have the 50 WvW kills for the daily at one point, and you do have to collect badges for your legendaries as well. Then you see all the PvErs QQ about having to PvP to get their PvE content.
It’s all a balance issue, and while I agree with your second point to some extent, I still stand by my earlier post that I like what they are doing to get players through more of their content.
(edited by Proumbro.1376)
I have 100% map completion already, thanks. I also am a lil’ proud to say I have done all the jumping puzzles. But I don’t want to grind things in PvE. I have lil’ patience for being inside Fractals or dungeons. I feel pretty done with that part.
I was referring to the OP with my 100% completion comment.
The picture is 5 gold + 12 commendations. You only get guild commendations through doin the guild missions in open world PvE. What? My WvW guild is going to have to start doing an hour of PvE every day? I’m going to have to join a PvE guild every day for an hour? I don’t understand, this just highlights how out of whack the rewards between PvE players and WvW players are.
Wow, I didn’t even notice that, thanks for pointing that out to me. That changes things a bit, I guess it will revolve around how time consuming and difficult some of these events will be whether a WvW guild will be able to keep up.
I have 100% map completion already, thanks. I also am a lil’ proud to say I have done all the jumping puzzles. But I don’t want to grind things in PvE. I have lil’ patience for being inside Fractals or dungeons. I feel pretty done with that part.
I was referring to the OP with my 100% completion comment.
The picture is 5 gold + 12 commendations. You only get guild commendations through doin the guild missions in open world PvE. What? My WvW guild is going to have to start doing an hour of PvE every day? I’m going to have to join a PvE guild every day for an hour? I don’t understand, this just highlights how out of whack the rewards between PvE players and WvW players are.
Wow, I didn’t even notice that, thanks for pointing that out to me. That changes things a bit, I guess it will revolve around how time consuming and difficult some of these events will be whether a WvW guild will be able to keep up.
It sounds like you only get 15 minutes to complete the bounty missions, I don’t think that is too bad.
http://www.guildwars2hub.com/guides/basics/complete-guide-guild-missions
Monthly completions are worth 10 laurels, I hear. I wouldn’t know because I’ve never been able to complete a monthly in WvW.
PvE players have very little to spend money on and they make vastly more per hour than we do. 5g to them is pocket change. I don’t think I’ve ever had 5g in my hand. As it was I had to stop purchasing upgrades and really cut back my siege purchases so that I could afford to keep using consumables.
Even the things WvW has technical access to is much harder to obtain than via PvE.
I’m sorry you couldn’t take the time to do 7 dungeon runs. One of the CoF paths takes like 10-15 minutes to complete. I stand by my statement that playing all content = receiving all rewards. You can still obtain laurels via dailies, it will just take longer.
I can generate 1g a day (day = about 3-4 hours) in WvW sometimes more if we do well. This is with upgrading camps and towers. I use my badges for siege. 5g seems like a generous price to me for an ascended item.
Oh?
Which part of them is designed to get anyone involved in WvW?
Touche, however I would argue that I wouldn’t want too much of this in WvW tbh like I stated in my post. I’ve actually been in WvW when a large PvE guild came through to do map completion and it was utter chaos because half of my guild (mainly WvW guild) couldn’t get in, and map chat was spammed with “can we please take this tower next, I need the POI.”
I will say they could do minor adjustments to fix this. They did have the 50 WvW kills for the daily at one point, and you do have to collect badges for your legendaries as well. Then you see all the PvErs QQ about having to PvP to get their PvE content.
It’s all a balance issue, and while I agree with your second point to some extent, I still stand by my earlier post that I like what they are doing to get players through more of their content.
Yeah, I make at least that much a day as well. But it’s now like 25 gold for an armour set. And citadel runs earn like 3+ gold an hour + badges for items that have half a dozen different stats to choose from and you’re not going to get a big repair bill or have to buy siege to do it. And there’s no gear you can only obtain in WvW (such as monk runes, which you have to get in a dungeon).
Also when is PvE server success going to give me bonuses in WvW? ‘Cause that would be clutch. Also I would get to stand in Lion’s Arch about what losers my server’s PvE players are if they aren’t scoring as high I’d like.
kitten, that last paragraph was brilliant. ArenaNet, get on that!
Edit: Sorry, I am totally usin this thread to vent!
(edited by styx.7294)
I’m sure u do more running to get around in wvw every day than just run to a point in pve world
Yeah, I make at least that much a day as well. But it’s now like 25 gold for an armour set. And citadel runs earn like 3+ gold an hour + badges for items that have half a dozen different stats to choose from and you’re not going to get a big repair bill or have to buy siege to do it. And there’s no gear you can only obtain in WvW (such as monk runes, which you have to get in a dungeon).
Also when is PvE server success going to give me bonuses in WvW? ‘Cause that would be clutch. Also I would get to stand in Lion’s Arch about what losers my server’s PvE players are if they aren’t scoring as high I’d like.
kitten, that last paragraph was brilliant. ArenaNet, get on that!
Edit: Sorry, I am totally usin this thread to vent!
Haha, I liked that last paragraph, that would be interesting. One time our guild actually zerged the Balthazar event and got it done in some ridiculous time. Would be hilarious if we earned WvW bonuses for that.
I do agree that PvEing is going to earn you more loot/gold/shinies/cool stuff, however, that’s not why I personally play WvW. Yeah I agree it could and probably should be more balanced (maybe like a nice rare drop for taking SM or a keep or garrison like with map completion or these new guild events)
O wow, I think I just had a cool idea XD Can we get that passed along with your WvW bonuses idea :P
Yeah, I make at least that much a day as well. But it’s now like 25 gold for an armour set. And citadel runs earn like 3+ gold an hour + badges for items that have half a dozen different stats to choose from and you’re not going to get a big repair bill or have to buy siege to do it. And there’s no gear you can only obtain in WvW (such as monk runes, which you have to get in a dungeon).
Also when is PvE server success going to give me bonuses in WvW? ‘Cause that would be clutch. Also I would get to stand in Lion’s Arch about what losers my server’s PvE players are if they aren’t scoring as high I’d like.
kitten, that last paragraph was brilliant. ArenaNet, get on that!
Edit: Sorry, I am totally usin this thread to vent!
Haha, I liked that last paragraph, that would be interesting. One time our guild actually zerged the Balthazar event and got it done in some ridiculous time. Would be hilarious if we earned WvW bonuses for that.
I do agree that PvEing is going to earn you more loot/gold/shinies/cool stuff, however, that’s not why I personally play WvW. Yeah I agree it could and probably should be more balanced (maybe like a nice rare drop for taking SM or a keep or garrison like with map completion or these new guild events)
O wow, I think I just had a cool idea XD Can we get that passed along with your WvW bonuses idea :P
We’re all ideas up in here! high five!
(edited by styx.7294)
I’m sorry you couldn’t take the time to do 7 dungeon runs. One of the CoF paths takes like 10-15 minutes to complete. I stand by my statement that playing all content = receiving all rewards. You can still obtain laurels via dailies, it will just take longer.
Let’s rephrase.
“I’m sorry you couldn’t take the time to do 70-135 minutes of something you hate, like driving nails into your feet or licking cats or running dungeons.”
I really don’t sit at my computer and fire up a game to sit there for 2 hours doing something I hate. I long ago decided that I was not going to look at rewards and instead focus on fun. The problem is when focusing on fun puts me so far behind in rewards that it starts to hurt my ability to compete and therefore have fun.
That’s usually when I quit: when the Catch 22 hits. What I want to do isn’t fun because I’m not competitive and becoming competitive involves things that I don’t find fun.
I don’t see why I can’t have fun doing the thing I enjoy, which is WvW, and still stay competitive with money-bags PvE players that have ascended items rain on them from the sky.
I still stand by my earlier post that I like what they are doing to get players through more of their content.
Which is silly if those players don’t actually like that content. WvW map completion should be to arrive in WvW and talk to the tutorial NPC or something. If they don’t like it, why make them visit every tower, keep and tall rock in the place?
This is some seriously lame kittens. WvW guilds & players get shafted again.
I agree…March is a Gamebreaker.
Even if they can’t deliver everything in March just give us something that is a game changer just so we know Anet is actually trying now. A Progression system isn’t enough. I want to be excited about something.
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