Guild Wars 2

So I have noticed we have even less people online then normal which is saying something since we were always outnumbered anyway.

So I only really like WvW. I am not willing to transfer. So does that mean the game is dead for me?

Anyone have a pep talk or know if anything is going to be changing soon?

Why are you unwilling to transfer?

jman.7415:

So I have noticed we have even less people online then normal which is saying something since we were always outnumbered anyway.

So I only really like WvW. I am not willing to transfer. So does that mean the game is dead for me?

Anyone have a pep talk or know if anything is going to be changing soon?

Well, to be honest the game hasn’t launched across all continents yet. Theres always hope that when the game launches in more areas you will get a good amount of the new players.

Wait what? three options : quit, pve or transfer that is really all you have to choose now. I dont know why you needed someone to tell you this..

My guild had a stint on Kaineng during the leagues and I can tell you as someone who left the server that the transfer is worth it. If you don’t want to play for former enemies, aim for a higher tier. But if you like WvW and youre unhaply, you’d love a server that’s more active. Consider the transfer.

That’s a shame tho isnt it?

That is to say the only way to maintain ones interest in WvW is to move. Concurrently it feeds into the whole ‘stacking’ concept.

I guess I’m just commenting on it being a shame that its come to this.

I left Kaineng 6 month ago. It was already dead in WVW. Still missing my DD guild but JQ has best and friendliest WvW community.
Sorry to say it to you but there is no option besides leaving. Kain in nearest future not going up in WVW. Servers need at list 4-8 good WvW guilds to cover all maps and all WVW guilds left Kain in T2 while we where loosing to BG. WM CO and few others.

Transfer to BG, evryone else has. But it’s admirable to want and stay on your server, but if you’re not the “rally to me” type of person just transfer to another server and enjoy the WvW there. I will tell you that as you move up in the tiers the more intense the battles. T2 is a good medium of ZvZ and solo roams. T1 its more ZvZ and people crying kitten who outnumber who on which fights and if you’re not on BG and get caught 1v5 be prepared to get /laugh spammed.

No it’s not over. In time more players will slowly (keyword: slowly) make their way from pve to wvw so the numbers will eventually grow again like what happened to Anvil Rock. They were where Kaineng is now but managed to pick themselves up. What you need is good leadership and cooperation.

By the way, BG and JQ desperately want you. They will pay for your transfer and more.

Listen to Deli, not the bandwagon tools postin in the thread.

Play to better yourself, try to get in touch with others on your server. There’s always new people coming in, guilds’ll come and leave and such (just like they do in upper tiers), don’t sweat the drama, and enjoy the smaller lag free fights where what skill you got actually matters.

Isn’t it spectacular what happens when a bandwagon collapses?

It’s possible to recruit people from PvE and introduce them to WvW. Start with PvX guilds and build from there.

If you’re not willing to do that, well then, transfer or quit.

Boonprot.6274:

Isn’t it spectacular what happens when a bandwagon collapses?

Sad but true

Deli.1302:

No it’s not over. In time more players will slowly (keyword: slowly) make their way from pve to wvw so the numbers will eventually grow again like what happened to Anvil Rock. They were where Kaineng is now but managed to pick themselves up. What you need is good leadership and cooperation.

By the way, BG and JQ desperately want you. They will pay for your transfer and more.

We didn’t get any transfers, and our WvW population didn’t climb, it just grew some and started fighting back. The guilds here stopped looking for fights and started aiming for PPT, + seeing as our OCE/SEA/EU is for some weird reason a lot more present than other servers in our tiers it makes it easier for us to paper Towers/Keeps during night crew and tick above ~ 340. Only problem is our NA is still scared and doesn’t want to come out of it’s shell.

Hang in there. If it’s “your server” stick with it. I’ve been on FC in the days when Kaineng had nothing else to do but spawn camp us in our BL and I’m still on FC and very glad I endured the storm. There are certain contacts and friendships that are brewed over months of fighting side by side. Transferring just does not offer that same sense of belonging. I transferred to a high pop server a few weeks before the season started to see how “they” strategize and it really was not the same.

You can of course also wait for EotM. All people that play for fights and not for PvD will be there )and no longer in WvW) soon anyway.

All server with the same color in WvW will build a team in EotM (with overflow maps)

HeNnAz.8913:

The guilds here stopped looking for fights and started aiming for PPT,

Please name the guilds that stopped looking for fights and now chase PPT, because that totally sounds backwards.

Three options that are viable (other than quitting).

A. Recruit the few people left who WvW into your guild. Constantly promote your guild and TS3 participation

B. See if someone else is doing the same and join them. Even a small group could grow into something bigger.

C. Transfer. A lot of former Kaineng guilds moved to Sea of Sorrows and you’d see some familiar names there.

Not just this thread, but every thread of this type always gets two responses:

1. Transfer (obvious)
2. “Stick it out”

With all due respect, the people that stick it out are pretty awesome, and I would never try to take anything away from them.

But if you are looking for real advice: there are just as many “sad endings” for people that rode out a server only to see it fall and burn out as there are storys like “FC” where they climbed out of the bottom of the rankings.

The real question you have to ask yourself, is that is it worth you being bored/miserable (assuming it has gotten to that point) for the possibility that a server (huge group of random individuals) will somehow “figure it all out” and make a change?

Like I said the “rags to riches” stories are great, good on those folks….But the reality is that more servers “stay the same” or actually experience a fall rather than have these big rebirths and make climbs.

TL/DR: There is nothing wrong with having server loyalty, but you should not let something like that get in the way of you enjoying the mode of gameplay you like, which coincidentally is the only mode of play (out of 3 total) that relies on server-specific play.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Not just this thread, but every thread of this type always gets two responses:

1. Transfer (obvious)
2. “Stick it out”

With all due respect, the people that stick it out are pretty awesome, and I would never try to take anything away from them.

But if you are looking for real advice: there are just as many “sad endings” for people that rode out a server only to see it fall and burn out as there are storys like “FC” where they climbed out of the bottom of the rankings.

The real question you have to ask yourself, is that is it worth you being bored/miserable (assuming it has gotten to that point) for the possibility that a server (huge group of random individuals) will somehow “figure it all out” and make a change?

Like I said the “rags to riches” stories are great, good on those folks….But the reality is that more servers “stay the same” or actually experience a fall rather than have these big rebirths and make climbs.

TL/DR: There is nothing wrong with having server loyalty, but you should not let something like that get in the way of you enjoying the mode of gameplay you like, which coincidentally is the only mode of play (out of 3 total) that relies on server-specific play.

Yeah, a lot of transfers are due to being unhappy but transferrin isn’t gonna fix many things. A lot of guilds transfer and then fall apart, a lot of people transfer and then quit playing. WvW is about buildin somethin, fightin for somethin and when you give up on that it loses some of its magic, I think.

There’s a lot to love bein in the lower tiers. It’s a sort of wilderness, without much order, or big oversight. Everythin is scaled down, individuals matter more. Night capping and outmanned happen just as much, if not more in tier 1 and the impression I get is the map is just as empty outside the single zergs each server has put out.

Everyone paid the same amount of money for the same product, yet they can have drastically different experiences depending on which server they randomly choose when they make that first character. Game design at its finest.

Waffler.1257:

Everyone paid the same amount of money for the same product, yet they can have drastically different experiences depending on which server they randomly choose when they make that first character. Game design at its finest.

Some servers tried harder in retaining a WvW community.

styx.7294:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Not just this thread, but every thread of this type always gets two responses:

1. Transfer (obvious)
2. “Stick it out”

With all due respect, the people that stick it out are pretty awesome, and I would never try to take anything away from them.

But if you are looking for real advice: there are just as many “sad endings” for people that rode out a server only to see it fall and burn out as there are storys like “FC” where they climbed out of the bottom of the rankings.

The real question you have to ask yourself, is that is it worth you being bored/miserable (assuming it has gotten to that point) for the possibility that a server (huge group of random individuals) will somehow “figure it all out” and make a change?

Like I said the “rags to riches” stories are great, good on those folks….But the reality is that more servers “stay the same” or actually experience a fall rather than have these big rebirths and make climbs.

TL/DR: There is nothing wrong with having server loyalty, but you should not let something like that get in the way of you enjoying the mode of gameplay you like, which coincidentally is the only mode of play (out of 3 total) that relies on server-specific play.

Yeah, a lot of transfers are due to being unhappy but transferrin isn’t gonna fix many things. A lot of guilds transfer and then fall apart, a lot of people transfer and then quit playing. WvW is about buildin somethin, fightin for somethin and when you give up on that it loses some of its magic, I think.

There’s a lot to love bein in the lower tiers. It’s a sort of wilderness, without much order, or big oversight. Everythin is scaled down, individuals matter more. Night capping and outmanned happen just as much, if not more in tier 1 and the impression I get is the map is just as empty outside the single zergs each server has put out.

Right transferring isn’t a fixall. But if you do your research, and figure out what you want as a player transferring can be the answer. The only time I would advise against transferring is if your reason is: “PPT/To win/etc”. Because unless you are BG you will lose, and realistically there is little an individual and in some cases large guilds (even) can do to prevent that. For me fights are what I enjoy, and they were becoming scarce on the lower tiers, so I wanted to make a move that allowed me to:
-Find good fights
-Play on a server that participates even if the score is not going their way
-Does not typically queue maps (beyond extreme circumstances)

Like I said if you know what you want, transferring is a good thing. If you are just feeling “meh” you might wanna do a little more research.

Reverence.6915:

Waffler.1257:

Everyone paid the same amount of money for the same product, yet they can have drastically different experiences depending on which server they randomly choose when they make that first character. Game design at its finest.

Some servers tried harder in retaining a WvW community.

That comment has nothing to do with what I said. Do you think it’s reasonable to expect a new player to research each server before they even start playing to ensure they have a enjoyable gaming experience?

Waffler.1257:

Reverence.6915:

Waffler.1257:

Everyone paid the same amount of money for the same product, yet they can have drastically different experiences depending on which server they randomly choose when they make that first character. Game design at its finest.

Some servers tried harder in retaining a WvW community.

That comment has nothing to do with what I said. Do you think it’s reasonable to expect a new player to research each server before they even start playing to ensure they have a enjoyable gaming experience?

I took it as meaning upon release, when server communities were new. My mistake and I apologise.

WvW is hardly the first game mode for new player though, and, if the community is there, they’ll enter WvW through that community.

For me its not about the server, its about the people I play with and our goals in game. My guild looks for those nice big combats that test our group and individual skills. This is what I personally enjoy. The people however are the only reason I stay where I am at. My suggestion is to find people who you make the game fun for you. Be it on your current server or another. This is a social game, enjoy it..

Waffler.1257:

Everyone paid the same amount of money for the same product, yet they can have drastically different experiences depending on which server they randomly choose when they make that first character. Game design at its finest.

Pro-tip: don’t make important decisions “randomly”, do some research first.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Waffler.1257:

Everyone paid the same amount of money for the same product, yet they can have drastically different experiences depending on which server they randomly choose when they make that first character. Game design at its finest.

Pro-tip: don’t make important decisions “randomly”, do some research first.

When you first installed GW2, how much research did you do before you chose a server?

I am not willing to transfer because I am not willing to pay to transfer just so I can play the game I want. I will quit first. I also have my kids who play as well and they would have to transfer as well.

It will not break my heart to just not play the game which is where I will probably go or maybe just level up some other characters.

Who knows maybe Anet will fix it. I remember when I first started you didn’t have to pay to transfer servers.

Thanks for all the replies. I never expected so many.

I did see one interesting post that people will actual pay you to transfer. That is interesting.

Waffler.1257:

When you first installed GW2, how much research did you do before you chose a server?

about an hour a day over the two weeks leading up to pre-release, keeping up to date with the guild tracker and looking up which large online communities were going where.

These days there’s more information and it’s much more accurate, so really just 2-3 hours reading up on the forums and a few community sites would be more than enough for an educated decision.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Waffler.1257:

When you first installed GW2, how much research did you do before you chose a server?

about an hour a day over the two weeks leading up to pre-release, keeping up to date with the guild tracker and looking up which large online communities were going where.

These days there’s more information and it’s much more accurate, so really just 2-3 hours reading up on the forums and a few community sites would be more than enough for an educated decision.

You can’t be serious.

Nevermind that the majority opinion on which servers to join is garbage. A lot of people have spent a lot of gold discovering you can’t know a server until you’re on it.

jman.7415:

I am not willing to transfer because I am not willing to pay to transfer just so I can play the game I want. I will quit first. I also have my kids who play as well and they would have to transfer as well.

It will not break my heart to just not play the game which is where I will probably go or maybe just level up some other characters.

Who knows maybe Anet will fix it. I remember when I first started you didn’t have to pay to transfer servers.

Thanks for all the replies. I never expected so many.

I did see one interesting post that people will actual pay you to transfer. That is interesting.

Some servers pay guilds to transfers, but that was before leagues and I wouldn’t bet on it.

If you are going to stick it out, you better plan on getting a commander tag or team up with a group that wants to make WvW happen on KN.

Just promote, promote, and promote some more to get things going.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Waffler.1257:

When you first installed GW2, how much research did you do before you chose a server?

about an hour a day over the two weeks leading up to pre-release, keeping up to date with the guild tracker and looking up which large online communities were going where.

These days there’s more information and it’s much more accurate, so really just 2-3 hours reading up on the forums and a few community sites would be more than enough for an educated decision.

And all that work landed you on NSP, sounds like time well spent.

Now, I gotta clear up some myths here:

1) “the server is dead.”
From what I can tell, Kaineng is far from dead.
I’m from Europe and I gotta say, Kaineng should be pretty much fine. Look at Vabbi. THAT is dead. A couple days ago, we had a bug with our Lion’s Arch on Drakkar Lake, preventing us from leaving the map and causing massive lag, so our guild guested on Vabbi for a bit. Went to the Shatterer just for the lulz. It was prime time. Not a single soul there. In LA, you could see like 10 guys idling around in front of the trading post, 3 at the mystic forge. The rest of the map was pretty much empty. Again, that is prime time… On a Friday evening. Went over to Queensdale just to check out the champ train and there actually were a couple people, but still nothing substantional.
THAT is dead. As long as there’s still people playing PvE, it’s not a matter of being dead, it’s a matter of lacking motivation.

2) “You need at least 4-8 good and dedicated guilds.”
The number of guilds, you need is…
…ZERO.
Drakkar managed to pull through the dark age, when there was a mass exodus of guilds on the back of a single guild, which mainly organized the pugs back then. There actually was no need for even that guild. All it took was a couple motivated and inspiring commanders. You gotta do some organizing. Get a dedicated teamspeak for the server, advertise them to your pve population, get some motivated guys to be commanders. You don’t need guilds. First and foremost, you need people, who are willing to stick around and keep coming back, even when they get pushed into the dirt.
The players need a perspective. That is worth way more than any guild. During season 1, Ruins of Surmia learned that the hard way, when they fought Drakkar. Sure, they had the strong guild groups, which could wipe the floor with us, but Drakkar with barely any organised guild groups just had the motivated public zerg. People just kept coming after being wiped and whoever left the map to farm in PvE got replaced by another fresh and motivated player.

My advice is: Man up. Looking at the map of your matchup, you have a solid grip on your third of eternal battlegrounds and you still control some parts of your homelands. Start from there. Rebuild your server while you defend your stuff. Don’t try to do anything big, just take small steps and try to get people motivated. It’s not about holding objectives for points, it’s more about showing your people, that there are still people willing to fight and die for their server. It’s about sending a message.

If that’s still not convincing, just take a look at this:
http://mos.millenium.org/eu/matchups/map/1290
they are still fighting back in spite of the odds. Vabbi’s biggest group is typically around 10 players. Was the saddest thing ever, fighting them in season 1. We fielded Zergs of 50-60, while having a metric ton of small roaming groups and at least one scout per objective, while they had… Well… The small 10 man groups, who sometimes came out of the spawn to retake garrison or the spawn towers. But they still got their pride and they know kitten well, how to fight. Those 10 men can wipe 20 players from other servers without breaking a sweat. They will fight to the last and jump at any exposed weakness mercilessly.
If you want to play WvW to be a winner, go ahead and leave the sinking ship. But I can assure you one thing: WvW is not about winning, it’s about server pride. Even if someone paid me the transfer and offered 2 or 3 legendaries on top of it, I’d still stay on Drakkar.

How are you outnumbered? Many times you guys were raining down on us last week from the green keep. Your zergs utterly obliterated us many times from Stonemist.

It’s cyclical. Sometimes your coverage is on and we are badly outnumbered. Sometimes ours is on and we squash you. But I’m pretty sure I saw sixty man zergs from you guys at times and on two maps! Your server is fine. Though maybe losing to us last week May have stamped morale a bit. Come back at us this week!

styx.7294:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Not just this thread, but every thread of this type always gets two responses:

1. Transfer (obvious)
2. “Stick it out”

With all due respect, the people that stick it out are pretty awesome, and I would never try to take anything away from them.

But if you are looking for real advice: there are just as many “sad endings” for people that rode out a server only to see it fall and burn out as there are storys like “FC” where they climbed out of the bottom of the rankings.

The real question you have to ask yourself, is that is it worth you being bored/miserable (assuming it has gotten to that point) for the possibility that a server (huge group of random individuals) will somehow “figure it all out” and make a change?

Like I said the “rags to riches” stories are great, good on those folks….But the reality is that more servers “stay the same” or actually experience a fall rather than have these big rebirths and make climbs.

TL/DR: There is nothing wrong with having server loyalty, but you should not let something like that get in the way of you enjoying the mode of gameplay you like, which coincidentally is the only mode of play (out of 3 total) that relies on server-specific play.

Yeah, a lot of transfers are due to being unhappy but transferrin isn’t gonna fix many things. A lot of guilds transfer and then fall apart, a lot of people transfer and then quit playing. WvW is about buildin somethin, fightin for somethin and when you give up on that it loses some of its magic, I think.

There’s a lot to love bein in the lower tiers. It’s a sort of wilderness, without much order, or big oversight. Everythin is scaled down, individuals matter more. Night capping and outmanned happen just as much, if not more in tier 1 and the impression I get is the map is just as empty outside the single zergs each server has put out.

This man speaks much truth! Let me tell you: transferring is not the smart Answer! Stick it out, build something, fight for it with your friends.

I know all the regulars fighting on Eredon Terrace. We’re all friends and comrades in arms. People say guild loyalty is greater than server loyalty, but on Eredon that just might not be true. We have a really tight group in WvW and I’ve resisted offers from guilds on other servers to transfer because I just love my server. And we’re like the bottom last among the low tiers. Sometimes it’s not about winning, though I admit our win over Kaineng And DR last week was really sweet.
Don’t give up on kain you’re one of our eternal rivals along with Fergs.

Yes fight with your friends jman.7415. My own Erendon Terrace is well know for its community and loyalty and I love it. Server pride is alive and well on ET. Building something and fighting for it. We don’t always win, we are down the ladder a good way and we have our squabbles and suffer from low moral at times but we love our WvW. This, for me, is what it’s all about, I would not consider transferring and losing this just so I could win.
I encountered the same spirit when fighting against Devona’s Rest and Kain this week. I have great respect for these fighters. They were awesome battles. Even when outnumbered and not doing so well in points they didn’t give up. jman.7415 keep at it things always change.

I’m from Darkhaven and I have to agree with naphack here. As many people already know, Darkhaven player shave some experience with people leaving our server. We’ve had at least 2 great guild exoduses and we’re still pulling ourselves back up from it. Kaineng is going to have it rough, for a long time to go. But, how long have any servers stayed at t8 really? FC, ET, AR, Kaineng and DR have all spent a lot of time at t8. Each and every one of them, at one point or another, pulled themselves out of it after some time.

FC is comfortably resting in t6 as a fierce contender for top of t6 against Dh and NSP. AR just pulled itself up to T7 and is giving every server it fights a SERIOUS match. ET, at multiple points during a few weeks, was beating Darkhaven, and you can see that even after losing DI/BS they’re not exactly dead. DR may have fallen to 24th but only after climbing to 19th. I mean, you probably know the history of your own server. You guys were rank 24, and shot up to rank 4 at one point.

I really do suggest that you stick it out and try to improve your server. Kaineng, as most of us lower tier folks know, has a VERY strong night time/morning time presence, enough to dominate t8 uncontested and even give higher tier servers trouble. Building up an NA force is relatively easy on an NA server, having that coverage built into your server is an excellent starting point for improvement!

Waffler.1257:

And all that work landed you on NSP, sounds like time well spent.

Indeed, I love my home server’s community and our WvW tier is perfect for me.

IF

http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_if.htm

Look to the battle, look to the people, build them, lead them and watch the victory come to you with the satisfaction of the effort you have put into the enterprise. Defeat will come to and at my hand if I have any choice! Still do not despair and turn away. There will be a ebbing and a growth to your force. Recognize it and drive on.

Thanks for the responses. They are helpful. I have decided I will logon when I want to play and if I don’t even see any commanders (This happens more than you think at 9:30PM CST which is many times when I can get on during the week because of kids.) then I can just logoff and do somethine else. PvE just doesn’t entertain me much.

I am a zerg kind of guy and like to play as a team. I can tell you that weekends have always been good times.

Thanks for the positive responses. I also don’t need to win, I just need to be part of bigger groups.

I actually bought a Commander Tag just to help the server out. There are times when there are no commanders on and things tend to go south from there if there is organized resistance. I got a tag originally just so people could rally somewhere and get some bodies in a ball.

Nowadays I’ve levelled up a bit as a commander, still mostly PUGs and not guild commanding, but I am on Teamspeak, work with the other regulars who are more experienced and know how to defend our towers, and I have had moderate success.

Don’t be daunted by not having commanders on board — buy a tag if you can afford it and use it well to help your server. It comes with its own rewards.

Mochann.5298:

I actually bought a Commander Tag just to help the server out. There are times when there are no commanders on and things tend to go south from there if there is organized resistance. I got a tag originally just so people could rally somewhere and get some bodies in a ball.

Nowadays I’ve levelled up a bit as a commander, still mostly PUGs and not guild commanding, but I am on Teamspeak, work with the other regulars who are more experienced and know how to defend our towers, and I have had moderate success.

Don’t be daunted by not having commanders on board — buy a tag if you can afford it and use it well to help your server. It comes with its own rewards.

Buying a tag to help the server out is always a good thing.
I’m not fit for leading, tho, but I can provide some nice story: A couple months back, I stood up early and there was no commander around. There was that one guy, who just lead the entire zerg around. Said “someone gotta hold em together or they will scatter and do useless kitten” or something. I could tell on a glance, he was very talented, very spirited, had a good voice, etc. His decisions were almost always spot on and even, when they weren’t, at least he didn’t waste time thinking about what to do next, he just kept the zerg rolling. Later that day, some well known commanders logged on and seemed pretty impressed, too, as they just let him do his job, sometimes assisting by lending him a blue pin on the map and doing supply checks.
The catch: He barely had 1k arena net points. He had just started playing and barely equipped his level 80 mesmer. He had unimaginable talent at commanding, so I started a fund raising and ~4 hours of good leadership later, he had his commander tag. He still leads up to this day and has to endure stupid jokes like “we paid your commander tag, so your kitten belongs to us.”
Sometimes, you just gotta invest in raw talent, if you want to push your server. It’s not only about taking responsibility by yourself, it’s also about utilizing unused potential around you.

jman.7415:

So I have noticed we have even less people online then normal which is saying something since we were always outnumbered anyway.

So I only really like WvW. I am not willing to transfer. So does that mean the game is dead for me?

Anyone have a pep talk or know if anything is going to be changing soon?

Leave the server. Here is not loyalty, this is a game, is about fun, in low tier server there is no fun, transfer where you can meet players who want to play the game like you.

I was on SF for almost a year. Trying with few to keep fighting for the server, i see a lot of guilds die.

Low tier servers are dead. The best decision i took is transfer to a t3/2 server.

urieldhynne.2743:

jman.7415:

So I have noticed we have even less people online then normal which is saying something since we were always outnumbered anyway.

So I only really like WvW. I am not willing to transfer. So does that mean the game is dead for me?

Anyone have a pep talk or know if anything is going to be changing soon?

Leave the server. Here is not loyalty, this is a game, is about fun, in low tier server there is no fun, transfer where you can meet players who want to play the game like you.

I was on SF for almost a year. Trying with few to keep fighting for the server, i see a lot of guilds die.

Low tier servers are dead. The best decision i took is transfer to a t3/2 server.

More guilds die in the top tiers than bottom tiers. From what I’ve seen, most guilds that transfer to top tiers only go there to die.

styx.7294:

urieldhynne.2743:

jman.7415:

So I have noticed we have even less people online then normal which is saying something since we were always outnumbered anyway.

So I only really like WvW. I am not willing to transfer. So does that mean the game is dead for me?

Anyone have a pep talk or know if anything is going to be changing soon?

Leave the server. Here is not loyalty, this is a game, is about fun, in low tier server there is no fun, transfer where you can meet players who want to play the game like you.

I was on SF for almost a year. Trying with few to keep fighting for the server, i see a lot of guilds die.

Low tier servers are dead. The best decision i took is transfer to a t3/2 server.

More guilds die in the top tiers than bottom tiers. From what I’ve seen, most guilds that transfer to top tiers only go there to die.

Dont matter if they die in top tier, you always have more ppl to play. When i was on SF, i needed to walk almost 20 min for a fight in a BL. And i was pretty boring of PvD all the keeps all the day. The only place for fights was EBG, the rest empty.

In low tier sever, even, the ppl dont care about anything, a lot of uplevels, a lot of pve daily achievements farmers, a lot of incommunication.

A LOT of ppl try to fight for the server, a lot, and almost all get frustrated and leave or stop playing WvW, sorry about loyalty, i play for fun, no for headaches or get bored. 130g for transfer was my BEST investment.

jman.7415:

So I have noticed we have even less people online then normal which is saying something since we were always outnumbered anyway.

So I only really like WvW. I am not willing to transfer. So does that mean the game is dead for me?

Anyone have a pep talk or know if anything is going to be changing soon?

I’m from ET, and we’ve had you guys as opponents for the last few weeks. So here’s a pep talk :-)

Kaineng represents a very different fight from the typical “Zerg vs larger Zerg”. Whenever I go into Kaineng, I feel like I’m LEARNING from you guys. Kaineng doesn’t have response time or zerg size right now, but the guys on your server have been fighting with far better tactics. Siege placement, run or fight decisions, where to fight, Dolak killings, Treb battles… Kaineng definitely represents to me a far more tactical / strategic fight.

Often times, a good-sized ET group that I’m with can knock down your gates and walls, but we end up failing within the keep’s inner circle. I feel like you guys fight us outnumbered, and yet put up fights that require us to fall back and call upon the powers of larger zergs to beat you. Beyond ppt and beyond karma… this is what we should all be fighting for anyway. And the fights that Kaineng put up are honestly worth praising.

Listen, we’re all T8 servers here. Whenever we get promoted to T7 or T6, we’ll get owned by superior numbers and superior coverage (ie: Oceanic Coverage). It sucks that we can’t control that aspect of the game, but you can rest easy with the fact that all T8 servers feel the pain. In fact, a few matchups ago, ET was forced to give up on EBG entirely and focus on defending the Borderlands. Even then, our keeps were unable to have many upgrades on them at all. It really sucks when you know you don’t have enough zerg or coverage to defend even a single map… but thats where we T8 servers are.

In the Kaineng vs ET matchup, you guys almost certainly have good control over your 3rd of the eternal battlegrounds. And it seems like you’re response time to your home borderlands is also quite fine.

So know, you can rest easy and know that your opponents share your pain and can see it :-). Simultaneously, I feel like yall put up a great fight nonetheless. As long as your opponents bring the fight, I think its worth it to keep playing. Its not like you guys have been forced to give up a map, and there have been several occasions where you’ve held onto Stonemist in the past week.

You guys kitten near had Stonemist completed to T3 too… that would have been a major problem.

So I came from a very similar situation. My ex-guild [RegA] refused to move servers and I was kind of on the edge. I looked around and I found Borlis Pass which is a great server of everything you need.

But to respond to your predicament, you need to transfer. If there’s an issue w/ leaving and the idea that you’re abandoning your guild. You aren’t. You can still run dungeons/guild missions/PvP together but you just can’t do one thing.

From experience I can tell you that WvW at Silver league is similar to bronze league except that the day time is much better at combat. If you move to Dragonbrand, aka Oceanic server on NA servers, you will get a heck of a night crew. If you move anywhere above Yaks Bend/Borlis/ Dragonbrand you’ll be joining zerg city.

So, the option is up to you. If you HATE PvE then you need to transfer, if you’re ok with PvE then learn the challenges there. WvW challenges are to capture keeps and fight groups bigger/better than you and win. PvE is the do obscene things solo and quickly. You’ll learn alot about each class in each dungeon and you’ll be filthy rich after it too.

Hope you can decide on what to do, in essence my opinion is to transfer because there is simply no reason not to.

Worst thing on Kaineng isn’t lack of players, or lack of commanders, its bad commanders. I don’t know how many times I’ve been playing and you just witness a commander making bad decision after bad decision, which leads to lot’s of people needlessly wiping and/or needlessly losing upgraded territory. People get disheartened and we go from having a reasonable amount of people playing to outmanned because of that.

My server has those Commanders too :/ or Karma train Kommanders.