Guild Wars 2

Before this thread becomes another debate, about IF wvw should give personal progression, i want to clarify sthing, ( These are random numbers but most propably are close to the truth)

- 95% of the playerbase likes wvw
-50% of them play wvw just because they like it, and they dont really bother about any extra rewards.
-The other 50% want personal gains from wvw,

Hard Facts, Nobody wants to lose that 50% of playerbase because they didnt got their personal progression. Nobody, why ? because empty wvw will NOT be fun, 50% less playerbase will NOT give huge profit to developers, and many many people will lose some friends because they stopped playing.

Now after the facts we go to the suggestion.

I suggest Arenanet to do sthing VERY simple. They can create a WvW Ranking system, that will give titles every 10 ranks, with a maximum temporary 100 ranks, the ranks will be obtainable as slow as they are in spvp. These titles can be shown to allies as the rest of the titles, and to enemies it will replace the pre-fix Invader,

So a Rank 1-9 Player will be named “Invader Servernamehere”
But a Rank 10-19 will be named “Flammen Vakten Servernamehere”*

*Did u like my title choice? "

Adding to that, i suggest to give an armor skin at rank 50, and rank100, to reflect visually your archievement.

Now no matter what Arenanet Decides to do, the community needs, requires and demands an answer to this simple following question:

Do you plan to “develop” a new system that will give indivindual rewards from playing at wvw?

We dont want a timeline, we just want a developer answer so we can manage to KEEP guild members around until it’s developed, i see them quit day by day, because they dont have any personal gains right now, and Arenanet is silent about any future reward system.

And please please dont say that the reward is the armor, because right now most serious gamers are already full exotic gear.
Edit : And btw pvp gear is terrible looking, so you dont even give them a reason to farm tokens to get sthing good looking.

Let’s not discuss about the fact that there is no ladder system in spvp, so people stop playing spvp too. :S

Provide a source for your statistics.

Hmmm, you actually have achievements for WvW that gives you Titles.

No need for another “ranks” etc imho.

and the only players that whine, are angry whining kids – noone want to play with them.

+1 to this one:

Provide a source for your statistics.

basicaly you never read my post, i said i give random numbers.

And about whining kids comment, my guild has an average age of 28y old, it’s not about whining kids, it’s mostly that this is an MMORPG, players that play this game are players who like massive multiplayer online game with roleplaying game elements, the common thing that all roleplaying games have is character progression,

as well as your comment about the current titles, these are archievements it’s not character progress. and if not all at least most of them are keep-pve related even in wvw.

I will add the comment that i said that i dont want this to become a debate if Arenanet should or shouldnt add pvp rankings, it’s about the fact that many people i know, and that’s a quite big amount of players, qq that there is no personal gain from wvw. I dont care if they are whining kids, i do care that if nothing changes they will stop playing and less players less fun.

WvW rankings are just useless… it’s for me the same as achievements are.

And if average age in your guild is 28 y old, then i feel sorry for you guys.

Nicholai.5169:

Provide a source for your statistics.

Oh, hi Cattlebruiser!

Also: /This

Plus, you get rewards: Karma, Badges, Gold.

If you want WvW to progress your personal storyline, I see absolutely no way for them to implement it. Also it wouldn’t make sense, as you allready have a personal storyline. Plus there ARE people that do NOT want to play WvW (bless them, for not making my cuetimes longer!) and those people should not be forced to play WvW.

Massacrul.2016:

WvW rankings are just useless… it’s for me the same as achievements are.

And if average age in your guild is 28 y old, then i feel sorry for you guys.

I kindly request to not lower yourself into insulting people you dont even know.

I will just try this once again, ignore my guild it was just an example, go around in forums, open your eyes, people are whining about no personal gains, why you guys fail to see this? it’s not about me, i dont want personal rewards, i am talking about the rest of the gaming community, any community forum you check around the internet, you will find various and multiple posts about this concern,

As i said already twice, and please dont make me repeat it MORE than 3 times, THIS IS NOT A DEBATE like the rest of the threads, DO NOT try to make it flame wars, this is a valid concern, that many people have expressed, and i just stated the fact, that nobody nobody wants a huge playerbase to leave this game because you guys believe that there is no reason to put a personal reward for playing wvw. And if the current rewards that you suggest are just not enough is not up to me, it’s up to the community that complains that it IS.

SO let me say it once again, EVEN IF ALL these guys are wrong, and you people that posted here are CORRECT, it DOESNT matter, because even if these whining kids as you refer to them are WRONG, if they leave, you will end up with empty wvw zones.

FAIL to understand this, then you fail to seriously take any discussion to higher levels.

Made up numbers used to support an argument? Are you in politics perhaps?

In general, I do agree that currently WvWvW is mainly there for the folks that just love running around killing other people. I’m part of that group.

PvE is (in most cases) the fastest way to level up and gain gold. WvW is for bragging rights.

The important issue you raised concerning WvWvW , will the lack of rewards cause a lot of current players to leave, is still unknown regardless of what numbers you plug in.

In my case, bragging rights may not be enough in another 6 months. I really can’t say at this point.

+1 for cosmetic ranks

I think defenders of quiet locations receiving no rewards is a bigger issue. Same with the insubstantial level 80 reward system. Every single dungeon has at least 3 sets of armor with different stats; PvP gear only has Power/Toughness/Vitality.

OP you can’t pull numbers out yourkittenand call them facts, speculations are not fact.

I’m 100% for cosmetic ranks and rewards for participation in WvWvW. The more the better. Offer a total bonanza of cosmetic riches to the dedicated WvWvW player.

I’m 100% against offering non-cosmetic rewards for participation in WvWvW, like new powers or extra amazing gear. The moment you allow a portion of your PvP player base to receive ever escalating power for their time investment is the moment you break your game irrevocably. I assure you that while the MMO population does in fact contain a community of progression-at-all-costs fanatics, the population of “fair competition” enthusiasts most likely outnumber them 10-1. And while I do NOT have a source for that “statistic”, I’m willing to bet that it’s probably conservative.

The world is full of people who enjoy sports, as an example. If your baseball team wins a game, the reward for winning that game was winning the game. Your team does not level up, and get extra powerful bats that allow them to more easily win the next game.

Spectacular Yak , you are correct in everything, except your last sentence, for you the sport enthusiast that is correct, but in an amateaur team, winning gives you the bragging rights, how many times you have won a team and you were “poking” the other side for losing? while in the proffessional field, winning means more money, meaning better “gear” even if it doesnt give advantage, and more $$ to the pocket, oh well that’s another thing.

Same goes here, YOU WANT STHING to at least to brag about if you are OWNING in pvp. And that’s mainly the pvp ranking, even if the opponent doesnt know WHO u are, even if Arenanet decides to give the rank titles only for YOUR realm, so people do NOT pick lower ranked players, it’s still OK to have YOUr allies to know that u have killed a very good amount of players.

I agree with the idea of giving cosmetic stuff out for badges of honor. It’s a really good idea.

On a different note, I was big into renown ranks in WAR, but now that they don’t exist in GW2, I don’t find myself really caring. The “rank” in GW2 is your server rank. If you want to care about ranks in general, help your server beat other servers imo.

Ignoring the bunk statistics..

- Titles are already awarded for WvW achievements.
– “Armor Skins” are already rewarded through the WvW armor set you can buy with badges of honor.

So I am confused as to what else the OP wants, unless its a replacement for the current Commander system.

As an aside, I too would like to see some sort of “ranks” awarded, but that these ranks should be awarded by the guilds that have the largest presence in their respective WvW servers and the awarded meet some criteria for WvW participation and accomplishments. This sort of already exists through the commander system (since only large guilds can afford it, and don’t have an incentive to buy it unless they have a large presence in WvW), however it has the negative affect of forcing that guild to farm PvE to afford it, and it also may be abused in the future as more and more individuals begin to be able to afford it.

Pitch.5280:

- “Armor Skins” are already rewarded through the WvW armor set you can buy with badges of honor.

The only problem with the armor skins, take heavy for instance, is they’re fairly bland. Heavy armor is just heavy plate armor. For example, Vigil armor, a pve skin, looks vastly superior and is much, much easier to attain (each piece is about 1g). Plus heavy plate armor can be attained in pve if I remember correctly.

So as far as doing wvw to get a “unique” and attractive skin, there really is no incentive.

I personally like the idea of server wide benefits more than personal progression. However, I feel like the server bonuses we get now are barely worth it and the only real incentive to play WvW is to just try and win for your side.

Other than the fun I have in WvW, I dont see a whole lot of incentives. Yea you can get armor/wpns, but those badges drop very, very slow. Server pride and bonuses are great too but what about the individual?

More non-combat-enhancing rewards for WvW can’t be a bad thing. There are some already, but more is even better in this case, as long as the rewards are purely cosmetic/vanity. I play WvW because I enjoy it, but it wouldn’t be bad to have some sort of extra recognition.

Plus, any system that lets the less experienced players on your side quickly identify people who are more experienced and likely know what to do, is a good thing in my eyes. So I like the idea of ranks in this regard. The commander system is a good start but I feel more is needed here.

Kynoko.5982:

Before this thread becomes another debate, about IF wvw should give personal progression, i want to clarify sthing, ( These are random numbers but most propably are close to the truth)

- 95% of the playerbase likes wvw
-50% of them play wvw just because they like it, and they dont really bother about any extra rewards.
-The other 50% want personal gains from wvw,

Hard Facts, Nobody wants to lose that 50% of playerbase because they didnt got their personal progression. Nobody, why ? because empty wvw will NOT be fun, 50% less playerbase will NOT give huge profit to developers, and many many people will lose some friends because they stopped playing.

Now after the facts we go to the suggestion.

I suggest Arenanet to do sthing VERY simple. They can create a WvW Ranking system, that will give titles every 10 ranks, with a maximum temporary 100 ranks, the ranks will be obtainable as slow as they are in spvp. These titles can be shown to allies as the rest of the titles, and to enemies it will replace the pre-fix Invader,

So a Rank 1-9 Player will be named “Invader Servernamehere”
But a Rank 10-19 will be named “Flammen Vakten Servernamehere”*

*Did u like my title choice? "

Adding to that, i suggest to give an armor skin at rank 50, and rank100, to reflect visually your archievement.

Now no matter what Arenanet Decides to do, the community needs, requires and demands an answer to this simple following question:

Do you plan to “develop” a new system that will give indivindual rewards from playing at wvw?

We dont want a timeline, we just want a developer answer so we can manage to KEEP guild members around until it’s developed, i see them quit day by day, because they dont have any personal gains right now, and Arenanet is silent about any future reward system.

And please please dont say that the reward is the armor, because right now most serious gamers are already full exotic gear.
Edit : And btw pvp gear is terrible looking, so you dont even give them a reason to farm tokens to get sthing good looking.

Let’s not discuss about the fact that there is no ladder system in spvp, so people stop playing spvp too. :S

Dirty, stinking Mid…bet you were a Dwarf too, weren’t ya?

Guess it’s better than “Grove Protector” though…

Other than that, good post

The REAL numbers, as posted by Arena sometime last week (I don’t feel like digging up the post, but it’s around somewhere)

-30% of players have played/attempted to play WvW
-Of those 30%, 3% were never able to play due to massive ques

So, as of Arena’s post, only 29.1% of players have played WvW

In reality, many of those players simply tried out WvW to see what it was all about, so the amount of active players in WvW is much likely way lower than that 29%.

I’d place myself as as a hybrid of the two types, as I play WvW for fun, but I also like getting rewarded for participating in WvW. Sometimes I take one for the team and do boring, unrewarding tasks for the benefit of a greater goal.

How is their no rewards? I usually come out with another gold and like 30,000 karma after a few hours of WvW. It’s probably the most profitable aspect of the game for those who don’t enjoy auction house economics.

Problem is that you don’t really even need karma.

Wanna know the reward?

You win : You get people who lost to your server transfering to your server. Thus higher queue times.

You Lose: People transfer off your server to the winning server. Thus lower queue times.

Losing looks prettykittengood of a reward.

WvW gear should at the very least have different appearances as you go up. right now the lvl 80 exotic badge gear looks exactly the same as the noob karma gear.