Guild Wars 2

Hello, i´m a player on Seafarer´s Rest. I´ve been playing this game since launch and I have been enjoying WvW for the most part of it.

What I´ve been noticing lately is a rapidly fallout of players interested in WvW. There are no enemies to fight, to me it seems in the golden league- most servers have given up. WvW IS FUN, but it needs players and a working community, which is why Seafarer´s Rest and Desolation still runs strong.

I don´t know how it is in Silver League but I can´t imagine that it is any different there. There is a simple solution on how to make WvW fun again. Make all active players play against eachother. Gather in golden league. As much as people want to argue against blobbing- no one enjoys having no one to play against.

Seafarer´s Rest, Desolation- maybe even Gandara and Kodash still have a thriving WvW community, and it´s sad to see the french spirit dying with Jade Sea and Vizunah crashing but there´s got to be a rebirth on more fronts! Use the foundation on which you had before and build up the communities again.

Alot of guilds considered silver league a haven simply because they wanted to avoid queues, how about now? is it still thriving? I might be mistaken about how things are in Silver League but I see alot of servers lacking players in golden league, WvW needs a reformation! If Anet is not willing to help us then we must organize it ourselves, if Anet can´t merge bronze wvw into silver wvw or even further up we have to do it ourselves.

It´s a simple request, a simple solution, all active wvw players move up to golden league, where there are space.

I know that Seafarer´s Rest doesn´t suffer any problems with active players atm and i´m pretty sure Desolation is about as full as it can get, i´d advice you to look at other servers. Kodash, Gandara, look for a secondary german server once Kodash gets enough, if you are a guild then it´s easy for you to organize with the communities leaders and check the status with ques etc. Rekindle the french spirit on Jade Sea or Vizunah again. WvW is FUN, when there are enemies to be found.

After 6 months in Bronze League on RoS and RoF i transfered to AG a year ago and to FSP before season 2.

I just transfered to SFR 2 days ago because it wasnt fun anymore in silver league. Prime time is still ok, i think, because there are still enough guilds running on most servers to have some good fights but during other timeslots it got very boring and frustrating. Most of the time, there is nobody commanding and if somebody tags up, the attention level of the followers was close to eotm standards. People dont bother to pick up/use supplies when taking a camp or building siege and chat got more toxic every week since spring tourney was over.
I am not posting this to bash on the servers i have been on, i had a great time on AG and on FSP during the Tourney but my first impression from SFR is that it was a good choice to transfer. Usually, there is always something to do, no matter if you want to roam, want to fight blobs or karma train even though during this match up we lack some enemies, i guess.
People actually get stuff done without a tag on the map and the community seems friendly as well.
Not sure, if I would want to stay for the next season, with queues being my main concern, but for now it was the right decision for me to transfer as i am not in a wvw guild. For guilds who focus on prime time raiding and who dont care what is going on during other time slots, i would think that the first 2 tiers of silver league are a better place to be.

Edit: Concerning Community:
I think it got alot harder to build your server community these days with the megaservers. You cant just go into LA or Other Hubs and recruit and with guesting, there is no need to have a PvE server community altogether, so it falls to wvw leaders to build the community. The lack of updates and attention WvW gets doesnt really help either.

hmm is that a revival? or just a last stand?

If all that are interested in off-time play of WvW are transferring to SFR you see the result: no enemy left.

As long as it stays like that no one should waste time to play against you. A week break till the opponents are more interesting is just right.

I don’t expect you to transfer away from “winning” as long as ANet does not enforce more balance and adapt match capacity ( less time and less space on the maps) to the reduced interest. Competitive 24/7 matches on 4 maps never really made sense (no server ever had 24/7 queues), but with the current player numbers, it’s completely meaningless.

PS: Here on Elona we rarely have 4 maps queue during reset, rarely 2 maps queue on prime time, and just 10 to 30 people running around at other times, and we are still rank 5, I don’t really want to know how it is below us.

Dayra, it seems to me that you are talking about something completely different then what I am.

I´m not recruiting allies to SFR, i´m not talking about 24/7 coverage. I´m not talking about rankings or matchups or anything of the like.

If there are supposed to be any WvW whatsoever, there needs to be some type of “coverage PPT” to compete with SFR to win in rankings for sure but that´s not the point at what i´m getting at. I just want GW2 to have active WvW, it can only be done with players actually playing it. Instead of dividing up our active WvW players so it slowly dies down we should gather everyone in the same league so we always have something to FIGHT.

PPT, rankings and coverage means nothing; to alot of the players in the WvW communities. That´s part of the WvW experience but most players just wants the fights, objectives sure gets the desire to defend/attack for a great part of the playerbase but without it there would just be “pointless” (ironic?) fighting which no one really cares about other then when it comes to Guilds vs Guilds.

Again, my request: all active players come to golden league, spread throughout the servers who have active communities and make WvW a fun active PvP ground again. That is the only solution to the boring stalemate that is right now.

Augory Rock apparently is an uprising French Server, if you are french and have memories of jade sea/ vizunah days that you want to live through again, try there.

If Anet gave free transfers maybe. But I refuse to transfer and give them any money because of their neglect of WvW.

Samstein.5269:

PPT, rankings and coverage means nothing; to alot of the players in the WvW communities.

Yeah they are meaningless, and much to many noticed that now and stopped looking for them. Exactly this is the difference between the former lively WvW and todays dead WvW. As it means: If you do not play for points, any play of WvW outside 20:00-23:00 CE(S)T is a waste of time, there are rarely fights, mostly PvD for points and the individual rewards cannot compete with PvE nor EotM.

So yeah: Start ticking 695:0:0 at 23:00, tick like that till 20:00 and none cares, beside the very few that still play for points.

And that is SFR’s problem: Most of them are already at SFR so there is none left to fight. (I did not said you recruit, nor that SFR ever wanted them, they just came either to win or to get the best league rewards or to flee the emptiness of their former server. But now they are all there and the enemies are missing)

The best strategy for any server that plays against you is currently: Loose as high as possible against you, the higher you loose the less likely it is to play against you next week again.

I’m currently on FSP, but since the season ended its dropped significantly in activity and I came to the conclusion a couple of weeks ago I need to move if I want to keep WvW fun for me. I’ll either be going to SFR or Desolation in the upcoming weeks probably the latter, I have friends there who say its active and fun and thats all I want.

There aren’t any long queues even on Desolation right now besides reset night and on Saturday evening, I can see a drop in activity almost everywhere though.
Even then prolonged periods against Seafarers has gotten stale.

I don’t know many servers who play the Coverage game quite like us and SFR even after the tournament, and it being the summer.

Rankings and PPT are a pretty poor measurement of overall Server strength anyway due to population differences.

So even though many Players and Guilds may look to move to find more fights and a challenge, I hope people can try to spread out a little to even out populations which could bolster a servers coverage and lead to more match variation.

PPT is a good measurement of how active a server is in wvw. Still your reserve force (the pvers) can drastically change number. Also, mega-server give a false impression of server population. Coverage>population>skill.

Playing on crystal desert (a recently advanced to t3 server) I don’t see this dying out everyone else seems to be getting. if anything, when roaming, I see TOO many people. along with near constant zergs on most sides keeping fights very interesting. I’m not sure if I’m alone in this but I feel like most people on CD are very hyped about wvw currently due to recently advancing to T3 and doing pretty well while we’re at it

p.s. we had a 6 person queue on our bl yesterday. even on fridays during season 2 we typically only manage 30 person queues in home bl and ebg

(and that’s not even covering our SEA squads which is one of our best aspects)

EDIT: Maybe i’m just still basking in the glory of silver tier after the dread of FoW WvW

This is just a glorified recruitment post for the already most stacked EU server.
4 maps queued during prime time. EB queued for 12 hours of the day. No one to fight outside prime time except Deso during the night.
If you want to have constant fights, transfer to any server but SFR. They’ll give you a 50 man blob to fight 24/7.

Deli.1302:

This is just a glorified recruitment post for the already most stacked EU server.
4 maps queued during prime time. EB queued for 12 hours of the day. No one to fight outside prime time except Deso during the night.
If you want to have constant fights, transfer to any server but SFR. They’ll give you a 50 man blob to fight 24/7.

We also have 4 commanders on each map ( 1 camping ruins, 2 camping enemy spawn and 1 porting people to the jumping puzzle ) .
Our queues are indeed so big that Anet implemented a EOTM queue overflow just for SFR.

On the other hand, we severely lack classes except hunters and minion necros

Gaem ded !

Deli.1302:

This is just a glorified recruitment post for the already most stacked EU server.
4 maps queued during prime time. EB queued for 12 hours of the day. No one to fight outside prime time except Deso during the night.
If you want to have constant fights, transfer to any server but SFR. They’ll give you a 50 man blob to fight 24/7.

Is this a way to provoke me personally or are you just stupid? Seriously, read through my post again.

SFR IS FULL, Desolation is probably FULL. Request is for all active wvw players, guilds to gather in the same possible matchups so we face eachother instead of ghost servers who puts up 0 fights throughout the night.

Which servers has functionally communities that can promote themselves to gather more players so we can have fights somewhere here in EU WvW??.. I don´t want to transfer to NA.

All active WvW players scatter EVENLY on all servers available for matchups IN GOLDEN LEAGUE. There isnt enough WvW players for golden, silver and bronze to fill up the BL, not even during primetime.

I don´t know international servers that needs players, I know SFR and Deso is full when it comes to primetime, maybe even Gandara is full now and after that I have no clue which international server can provide a good community for the players who is looking for international server.

If you want french server go to Augory Rock, if u want german server go to Kodash, if those two servers are full then you´d need to search for the second national french/ second national german.

SFR DON´T NEED MORE ALLIES, WE NEED MORE ENEMIES!!!!

EDIT: As of right now, Riverside and Elonas Reach is dead, they have so few players interested in WvW atm it´s a god kitten joke really, I saw a couple of guilds from riverside who tries to have some fun but that´s about it. It´s sickening and a god kitten disappoint and I could bet all my gold that players on these two servers feels the same way, take my word of advice and find a new home, where you can find new allies. Kodash next? talk to their community leaders and see the status of the ques before u transfer.

I don’t know where you are getting your information from but being from AG (mid silver league) I get plenty of fun in WvW and it’s pretty much all I do on GW2 anymore. It might be a bit quieter now but it’s summer, many people are off on vacation, etc. I know half a dozen people that left AG to go to Gold League and it was either for karma train reasons or “I want to win more/all the time”. Many guilds looking for good fights are in silver league (in EU anyway). So yeah, WvW is not dead and Silver League is fun.

We’re fighting FSP for a third week in a row now and while we would like some variety, they’re great and challenging to fight. They have great roamers and strong guilds. I could say the same thing about GH & PS. Both Silver League servers as well.

There is no intrigue. Bring server match up threads back. Watch drama fueled competition. Give servers their identity back. Make me care about winning against someone. Frankly as it stands I do not care about winning or loosing, neither does the enemy and this is an atrocious, fun killing, state of affairs. It needs to change for wvw to be about epic fights that matter once again. Right now it doesn’t matter how good or bad you are, all is fine as long as the bags keep flowing.

If you fought 20 man vs 50 and still managed to hold your keep you used to be proud about it, it meant that somewhere the enemy did not have 30 extra players that were busy fighting you. You could outmaneuver the enemy, force them to split to defend objectives of their own, do all kids of strategic fighting. As long as the enemy cared. If no one cares about winning it all goes down to who’s more eficient at farming Ultimate Dominator. Pro tip – spam one.

Face it, right now the only server you can get that kind of fight against is SFR and that only because the community leaders still inspire players to care; because SFR is proud about what it has forged. Vizunah was the nemesis a year ago, server pride made every one of their garrison takings a thing to be talked about.Nothing was sweeter than a win against them. Now you have SFR and sooner or later you just might best it, double team in league 3 for instance, inter server drama, the usual. So why not come and fight full force? Is there no community out there that would fight, the odds be kitten ed?

The wvw population is shrinking no matter the cause and without transfers up we all will have just abandoned paper towers, with scavengers running arround 3-4 hours looking for someone to prey upon. Prey that most likely will just switch border and look for someone weaker than them.

I’m surprised Sammstein didn’t ask more people to get to Gandara, three international server match ups in gold for at long last sounds incredible. Also welcome the master economist Wanze to SFR, now not only do we have the armies, but also the wast fortunes of some of Tyrias richest speculants. Hurr.

Like someone said before, the PPT doesnt matter because there is no reward so ppl dont go out of their way to do non-fun stuff like sieging stuff up and defending. Many have realised this and are now only playing for fights and i dont see the problem there because everyone probably enjoys these. Why is it important for ppl to blob because i cant see fun in having queues on all maps and then fight with 3 70man blobs in eb, there is just no skill left in those fights. its much more enjoyable with low numbers when it actually matters what you do

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Did you ever consider that not everyone wants to be on a server which has zerg warfare on every map 24/7?

I play on Gunnars Hold, which is pretty averge server overal, but WvW coverage wise it’s what I want. I like that I can log in during the day sometimes and find only 5-6 people defending our BL against roamers or small groups (10-15 at most). It’s fun to have the whole map to yourself for small scale tactical battles where we are constantly talking to eachother trying to work out where the enemies are and stop them.

Then, in the evening, we have primetime and get EB and usually 1-2 of the BLs on queues for a few hours, we can have our large battles and 80 man blobs if thats you’re thing.

I’m not saying it’s bad or wrong that you want a 24/7 maxed out server.. if thats how you like your WvW then great. But don’t go ahead and assume that that’s what everyone wants. If they compressed everyone up into the Golden League so we all had to play like that I’d quit this game so fast I wouldnt even slam the door on my way out.. .Thats not what I want from WvW.