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Posted by: alexdpsg.8549

alexdpsg.8549

Full ACK with FeveredDreamer.2693 – wxp account bound would be very nice.

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Posted by: Fade.5904

Fade.5904

as someone with 8x lvl 80s i feel that the majority of my alts are becoming little more than gathering bots.
With ascended equipment and wvw ranks, soulbound and limited bank space..playing an alt feels very awkward in GW2.

Personally i think ascended weapons could have had the same stats as exotic but like legendaries, been allowed to change stats on the fly. I think this would have solved a lot of problems.

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Posted by: DeWolfe.2174

DeWolfe.2174

WvW could have a lobby system like sPvP. Where we can putter about, socialize, and test builds. That would make WvW more friendly period. We kinda use Lions Arch for it but, it’s not the same. Also, it doesn’t have a place to test builds. No, those test dummies by the dungeon merchants don’t cut it

Either that or add a WvW/PvE spec browser and subsequent rooms to the sPvP portion of the Mist.

[AwM] of Jade Quarry.

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Posted by: Ricky.4706

Ricky.4706

you could actually use spvp to test builds, the problem is they have different stats – and the strategy is completely different – but still can be used to tweak defense vs offense builds.

For example…as a mesmer, I’m backline – and spvp is very closed quarters – but all the same i can test different runes that would normally cost me 60 gold ( ie travelers ) to get a max balance of defense and offense – without leaving myself penniless to test a build. It’s still not the same as being on the top of a tower fighting at a distance though – but better than nothing.

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Posted by: Fallout.1798

Fallout.1798

I find it terribly discouraging when I play some WvW, then after some time period I feel like “I haven’t play X in a long time, I’ll try it out.” enjoy the change, then be hit with the thought “What am I doing? I am rank 12 and I have no wvw bonus abilities and am contributing less to the team, I should stick to my other character that has rank 110+ who will benefit the team.”

This is basically the exact same I feel about WvW exp. I feel “trapped” on my main character because he has all the WvW ranks. Why play wvw on my other characters when I have played hundreds of hours of wvw on my main and he is the only one with a WvW rank above 10?

If WvW exp being account bound is just not something that will happen, why not go half-way? First make all my alt’s wvw ranks the same as my highest rank character (or even do something like adding all character wvw ranks together for a new grand total). The second part of this is the main core issue: When I get WvW exp, 50% of it also goes to all my other characters. Say I capture a keep, which is a base 800 wvw exp at gold medal. The character that I helped capture it with gets the full 800, and all my other characters get 400 wvw exp. This way I can play on my alt-characters, knowing that I am still contributing to my main character (even if less than normal).

Now I can see a problem with this in that then with all your other characters since they would be ranking up also, you would then have more WvW rank chests to open. So why not have something to balance that? Have a separate WvW exp bar that instead stores the shared wvw exp, so in my example the keep capture will fill up the shared bar by 400 exp. When this shared wvw exp bar fills up, all characters are ranked up one, however you only get 1 rank up chest from this. This way players who have 8 characters won’t be getting an extra 7 rank up bonus chests.

In short, give your other characters 50% wvw exp gains that your current character playing gets. A system like this is literally half-way towards account bound wvw exp, and it would give many players the incentive again to play wvw on our other characters.

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[AoD]- Commander Vars Wolf

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Posted by: Julie Yann.5379

Julie Yann.5379

you could actually use spvp to test builds, the problem is they have different stats – and the strategy is completely different – but still can be used to tweak defense vs offense builds.

For example…as a mesmer, I’m backline – and spvp is very closed quarters – but all the same i can test different runes that would normally cost me 60 gold ( ie travelers ) to get a max balance of defense and offense – without leaving myself penniless to test a build. It’s still not the same as being on the top of a tower fighting at a distance though – but better than nothing.

It’s fine to test builds with sPvP or even easy to get exotics or rares. The problem lies in when you find a new perfect build you have to go out and grind a whole new set of Ascended if you want BiS. That is the deterrent, you spend all this time gearing up your main build, now you have to repeat the same annoying process all over again for Alts and Alt builds. When it was just exotics, you could test a build if you liked it you could have it BiS in a week or less with no grinding involved. Now, with ascended it could take months.

Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
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Posted by: Ricky.4706

Ricky.4706

i totally agree, which is why I’m just going to avoid building any other characters. I’ve come to the realization that I bought 1 character for gw2 – if i wvw with any other character I kill the progress on my main character in wxp – any gold i spend on other characters will strip my main character from being maxed out in stats – especially if they add ascended armor. I really feel very upset about this, but i’ve also come to appreciate that we are looked at as the vocal minority. The only way i can accept this without going ape kitten as accepting I bought one character under anet rules. I have no desire to roll a string of half built characters. Just to get the traveler runes or divinity runes I want – is going to cost over 50 gold….. I make less than 2 gold a night since I play casual – and I also have to grind to get my magic find up in hopes to find the matts faster to get any ascended armor on my mesmer – in addition to spending another undoubtedly insane fortune getting my tailor up to 500…… just thinking about the grind I have to go through to build 1 full spec pvp character stresses me out …forget about alts and forget about investing anything further into the game, forget about ever becoming a commander – that’s just another insane bill – I’m just going to play and when I get the stuff for my 1 character, – which will probably be never as I can’t see myself putting up with that forever – I’m just focusing in enjoying whatever financial and time investment for one character. I give up and from all that i’ve seen in this forum, it’s a waste of time to try to reason – I will still try because I do like the game art / community / and the basic mechanics – but i’m obviously being put in a choke hold …and that just doesn’t sit well with me so I can’t let myself get too attached. I’m doing my best to do good despite that nonsense, but anet put a yoke on my game mode that i really don’t appreciate at all.

for no other reason than wanting the best stats on a pvp character – wvw is pvp. I don’t care about skins…I usually dress all in black anyway.

IBM PC XT 4.77mhz w/turbo oc@ 8mhz 640kb windows 3.1 hayes 56k seagate 20 meg HD mda@720x350 pixels

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Posted by: Cletus Van Damme.2795

Cletus Van Damme.2795

Looking forward to this so I can switch to warrior.

Magumer Ranger

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Posted by: Xavi.6591

Xavi.6591

Yeah looking forward to this as it’s hard not to play my main when it’s close to rank 200.

Plus also want to play my warrior so I can press 1111111 and own stuff.

Fantasme Bloodwen [R.I.P. Mesmer] | Andi Runi [Warrior] | Bonedoggle [Necro] | Zooerasty [Ranger]
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Posted by: McWolfy.5924

McWolfy.5924

i think the greatest problem is our play style. we buy nothing in gem shop. they made the league so a lot of us spent gems. i think they will make something what we can buy in the gem store…

WSR→Piken→Deso→Piken→FSP→Deso
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Posted by: Victoitor.2917

Victoitor.2917

Players want Account bound ranks. Anet has some reasons not to do so. Why not come with alternate solutions then? OP at least tried to give an alternate solution. I did not like it too much, so I’ll post another one.

Half of the wxp earned by any character is also given to alts.

So if I gain 100wxp, the character I’m playing gains those 100wxp and all my alts gain 50wxp. This way, when you level an alt, you will also be helping your main and other alts. Also, when leveling your main, your alts will not be so far behind. Players can feel like they are progressing their account while making all characters progress a bit. For Anet, characters will still be differentiated by the ones who are played the most.

interesting, What about all those free chests that alts would get?

Keep the same policy as now. They would be bonus chests. Double chests when progressing until all bonus chests are gone. Or not give extra chests to your ALTs. People are not asking for extra chests, just distributed WXP.

Raimundo Faztudo (Human Engineer) – Current WvW
Mr Tauser (Char Warrior) – Current PvE
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Posted by: SoPP.7034

SoPP.7034

We have some thing that will be in the tests for the new map that will help WvW be more alt-friendly. We will talk more about it as we get closer to the test actually beginning.

It’s not rocket surgery. There is pretty much only one acceptable solution, and that is account wide rank. Pretty much everything else falls short.

A warrior, a guardian, and an elementalist walk into an open field…
The Warrior turns to the guardian and says, “Did you hear something?”
Guardian replies, “No, but how’d the elementalist die?”