Guild Wars 2

Wow…even though I’m from SoR, which means technically we’re enemies….I sympathize, that…is really an awful thing. I hope it’s not someone from SoR that transferred to cause you guys issues. If it is, that person should be ashamed, and uninstall.

There are a particular pair on JQ that have been doing this since the start of WvWvW season and it has not stopped. You can almost guarantee a major assault will happen when these two show up and start this process. They even claim towers and keep to prevent upgrading or upgrade out of proper order to prevent the use of supplies. They have been reported many time using the in-game useless function and no action has been take yet.

Pretty sure you don’t need 5 trebs on the supply pick up point in the keep. This has been happening on reset nights for weeks, eating up supply, preventing people from upgrading the keep, and they’re not even in usable positions. I think it’s also hard to simply say “Oh, well, maybe it’s a new person to the game who doesn’t know better” because it’s 5 trebs targeted specifically to the supply depots.

Honestly, we need a solution here. I think the incidence is relatively low to begin with, but when it does happen and nothing seems to be done, it does nothing to discourage others from joining the activity. Would it be possible to add some kind of report feature for griefing?

(Sorry, forgot to add the picture showing the crazy trebs in the supply depot and edit wasn’t working right for me)

Nina… wow, just… wow. I really sympathize. Rogoth too. I don’t consider you whining/crying at all. There really needs to be a means of reporting this accurately and actions need to be taken. It’s negatively effecting dozens and dozens of folks’ gameplay. We’ve had that happen on Tarnished Coast a couple of times but nothing quite like that treb picture. Unreal.

What Nina showed is just a rare worst case scenario. Truth is, it’s a common problem on Jade Quarry. Now more then ever. Siege Trolls are out of control. One commander quit commanding over this.

I remember one time there was a flame ram all over the place. We all had to tell the zerg to stop building and the commanders at the time got kittened. Some even tried to video it. We are still a very powerful server, but its still bad. Especially since JQ relies on tactics more then pure zerg.

That is really crazy and needs to be dealt with.

Sadly though, this post will probably just further encourage their behavior since they are getting recognition.

Sad as it may be that he gets the attention hopefully Anet does something to stop this because it is causing some of their paying customers to get fed up and stop playing which hurts their bottom line and it hurts the server that they left as well. It’s frustrating and needs to be taken care of. If it was just one or two misplaced items it would be different but 50+ in places that can’t hit anything is just ridiculous and harassment at its finest.

Slayer Lord.5023:

Especially since JQ relies on tactics more then pure zerg.

since when?

Nina.6378:

Yeah this may be a post that is considered crying by many but I’m still going to present it to the public. Daily WvWers have seen the “Siege trolls” and in the past people have done ridiculous things such as siege capping servers for fun. These actions ruin servers, hurt game play and make us not enjoy the game. I know people are going to say “Hey transfer servers if its annoying” but you know what some of us have server pride so we don’t leave when the going gets tough. Report function is not capable of dealing with these issues, it doesn’t give you any option close to it. We have trolls that drain supplies from our main keep during enemy attacks for “fun” and build massive amounts of useless siege in towers and siege cap us. We’ve reported these individuals many times over and nothing is done about it. these trolls also claim our towers and keep, allowing us not to add buffs on it when we are getting “oh so fun 2 v 1ed”. So tell us what can we do to solve this issue if these players can’t get banned for their actions and in turn ruin a game that all of us enjoy.

There have been times when TC will have entire groups of upleveled players doing this, openly stating in map and team and say chat that they’re trolling for server X. We always send in screenshots, yet the exact same players come back all week, sometimes for multiple weeks. In the end, I honestly don’t think reporting ANYONE for ANYTHING in WvW that isn’t language/chat based has any effect. I’m starting to believe the report button is like the “close door” button on elevators…most of the time it does nothing, just there to make people feel like something is working for them.

Cooldown on the place-siege skills.

Or a debuff, like the one on spawn, which is applied when placing a siege. Could have the debuff cooldown faster for commanders when more friendly players with supplies are nearby, so commander can still drop a couple of rams for their herd.

Or some kind of siege initiative, construction, like thief, but now tied to siege-equipment bundles. Placing siege costs constructions points, the amount depending on the type of equipment. Construction points slowly regenerate over time, limiting the amount of equipment you can place in an hour, or a day. Increase regen for commanders when many players with supplies are near.

Give commanders the ability to mark unneeded siege to allow folks to break them down for supply….then problem solved.

You should make a smiley face next time from those Trebs.

Sreoom.3690:

Give commanders the ability to mark unneeded siege to allow folks to break them down for supply….then problem solved.

The main issue with giving commanders any control over siege is that many of these trolls have commander pins as well. Not just trolls but many players in general have commander pins. If you gave such options then it just gives trolls a larger variety of avenues to attack from.

They could just add a 5-10 siege cap for each individual player.

I think enabling the ability to see who has placed siege, along with a report option specifically for griefing via siege placement might be an idea.

Sooo… on our server we had 1 person for months insult us via map/team chat, kill golems and so on… we reported that said person for months. Several days before Christmas I even made a support ticket, describing the problem. After several back and forth “we are investigating, use the ingame report function instead” and my explanations that we probably have used hundreds of ingame reports already, they said (copied from my mailbox): “We are currently looking for ways to solve the issue with trollers but we have not found a good solution for the isuse since the same ideas that are supposed to help players are causing that players abuse of the system. This has been reported to the Development Team in order to find a possible solution to the issue.”
…nice… you gotta be kidding me.

A good solution for this problem would be perma bans for trolls.

gebrechen.5643:

A good solution for this problem would be perma bans for trolls.

The best way to do that is they actually had GMs that would come inside the game to the zone and look for themselves

Rogoth.8325:

Pretty sure you don’t need 5 trebs on the supply pick up point in the keep. This has been happening on reset nights for weeks, eating up supply, preventing people from upgrading the keep, and they’re not even in usable positions. I think it’s also hard to simply say “Oh, well, maybe it’s a new person to the game who doesn’t know better” because it’s 5 trebs targeted specifically to the supply depots.

Honestly, we need a solution here. I think the incidence is relatively low to begin with, but when it does happen and nothing seems to be done, it does nothing to discourage others from joining the activity. Would it be possible to add some kind of report feature for griefing?

(Sorry, forgot to add the picture showing the crazy trebs in the supply depot and edit wasn’t working right for me)

Think you would need to be outstandingly dumb as a new player to start building siege like that. Anyone doing this kind of stuff is only interested in causing as much grief as possible.

Pavel.8531:

Sooo… on our server we had 1 person for months insult us via map/team chat, kill golems and so on… we reported that said person for months. Several days before Christmas I even made a support ticket, describing the problem. After several back and forth “we are investigating, use the ingame report function instead” and my explanations that we probably have used hundreds of ingame reports already, they said (copied from my mailbox): “We are currently looking for ways to solve the issue with trollers but we have not found a good solution for the isuse since the same ideas that are supposed to help players are causing that players abuse of the system. This has been reported to the Development Team in order to find a possible solution to the issue.”
…nice… you gotta be kidding me.

So that means they have no idea how to solve the problem as usual or put it on the back burner and hope it will go away.

Handin.4032:

gebrechen.5643:

A good solution for this problem would be perma bans for trolls.

The best way to do that is they actually had GMs that would come inside the game to the zone and look for themselves

This game seriously does need game masters.

DeeSystm.1256:

Valid tactic, nothing to see here, move along folks.

I sure hope you’re not the same SF on JQ…

use the “support” link at the top left of this page; on the following page, use “submit a request” to report the offenders. Most likely nothing will be done so if/when you get (after a few days) an email asking for an evaluation of their support, give them a big thumbs down.

That way you feel like you’ve done something (and it’s the best you can hope for).

Tricare.2946:

They could just add a 5-10 siege cap for each individual player.

I’ve thrown down a lot of siege to siege up a structure when I was guarding, way more than 10 pieces. Done that in garrison when supply was maxed and we didn’t have siege placed so when doly delivered, I’d start using some supply to not waste what was delivered. May also interfer with the commander placing siege. Some commanders would prefer to place the siege themselves if they are attacking so that what they toss is what gets built.

Solving this problem is actually so easy. You need game masters which only have to come if there are huge amounts of reports. If 10+ people from the same WvW map make a report they jump on the map to watch what happened.
If they see obvious grief they just give them a 72 hour ban with a warning that if it happens again they will get a month WvW ban.
If they do it again —> perma ban.

Problem solved. I guess that you don’t even need a full time support member for that. Once a few people got banned this will happen maybe twice per month on each server at max.

On Riverside we have the same problem at the moment. It is plain awful. Whenever we reach a door and the commander wants to throw down a ram they immediately throw down 5 ballistas which don’t cost anything. We then have to PvD the doors which is just awful. When we try to build catapults they also throw ballistas.
That is so obvious grief that a GM would instantly see that these 2-3 players purpose is only griefing. Just ban them really.
Our repair NPC gets also covered with trebuchets to make it really time consuming to find the NPC for repair and trebs are standing everywhere.
Jade Quarry I really feel with you

I’m glad that at least they made the shortened cooldowns on rams and on not completely finished siege. That helped alot but is not enough.

Johje Holan.4607:

Handin.4032:

gebrechen.5643:

A good solution for this problem would be perma bans for trolls.

The best way to do that is they actually had GMs that would come inside the game to the zone and look for themselves

Problem is the parent company, NCSoft, is too cheap to put the resources into this. Most of the issues with the game in fact stem not from Anet but from NCSoft’s cheapness.

yup. the ironic part is, those GMs would end up paying for themselves, really. less players would be disgusted by the state of affairs, which would mean less players would be leaving, and there would be more players willing to help support the gme financially. as it is, there’s a lot of people who absolutely refuse to give them a dime, purely out of principle, and justifiably so. even if those players all were forking over cash, it would undoubtedly be used for more living story crap instead of what those players want.

i doubt NCSoft even remotely cares, though. they have their next big cash grab with wildstar coming out. they’ll continue squeezing all they can out of gw2 until it runs dry, then do the same with wildstar, then with whatever their next big con will be.

I was there for this and also witnessed them suiciding golems. I believe that finding a solution to this problem isn’t as simple as we might like to think but I do believe there is a solution.
What ever the case, I’ll say the same thing I had said before; putting that much time (building 20 – 30+ trebuchets with little to no help) in to causing people grief really says something about them as a human being. Yes it’s just a video game, but that doesn’t mean you can’t upset people through it. It’s a strange mutant child of cyber-bullying affecting large communities negatively.
I don’t expect ANet or NCSoft to employ any new rules for siegeing immediately but they do need to give this attention as it happens on many servers and frustrates many people. If banning isn’t the solution at the very least an inability to ever place siege again would suffice.

Anet just does not seem to care about griefing, I have never seen an anet icon in front of one of these posts. I dare the new person responsible for this wvw section to comment on why they do NOTHING about griefing.
On my server there are several trolls, reported hundreds of times a month, and ye here they are wasting a complete keep supply on siege.
From the official report function on this forum you only receive an automated reply and after a week or so another automated reply on how they handled your problem.
Customer care right there.

Seen this on SBI as well. One possible solution for the excessive seige could be to make designated spots for each type of seige in the keeps/towers similar to cannons and oil. Once you get a certain distance from a keep/tower you should then be allowed to place them anywhere like normal. I realize this would limit defense capability in some cases, but at least if someone is going to waste supply it will be on seige that is in useful locations.

A mod/dev has already commented on this type of trolling.

They claim that they cannot control how players play a game, and hence this is not a bannable, suspendable or reportable type of play. As such it is considered a legitimate “tactic”, even though most of us think of it as being unfair and unsportsmanlike.

Enjoy the game people, “it’s working as intended”!

Try reporting them for Gold Selling, I hear that works to ban them :P

Get the prove who he/she is by a large number of player and report as scam, siege scam.

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

A mod/dev has already commented on this type of trolling.

They claim that they cannot control how players play a game, and hence this is not a bannable, suspendable or reportable type of play. As such it is considered a legitimate “tactic”, even though most of us think of it as being unfair and unsportsmanlike.

Enjoy the game people, “it’s working as intended”!

Try reporting them for Gold Selling, I hear that works to ban them :P

if that’s the case, then just….. i don’t even know what to say. disappointing isn’t strong enough of a word. ignorance? incompetence? laziness? whatever mashes all those concepts into a single word. disignorcompetiness? oh, wait, i got it. NCSoft. there we go. that’s so NCSoft.

Omaris Mortuus Est.2738:

A mod/dev has already commented on this type of trolling.

They claim that they cannot control how players play a game, and hence this is not a bannable, suspendable or reportable type of play. As such it is considered a legitimate “tactic”, even though most of us think of it as being unfair and unsportsmanlike.

Enjoy the game people, “it’s working as intended”!

Try reporting them for Gold Selling, I hear that works to ban them :P

That would be the sadest excuse for not acting I have ever seen in a game. I doubt that this is their point of view.

blacktide currently also has this problem. they downright drain keep supply to 0. i agree with the game master suggestion. they should add something appropriate for the matter in the report menu where a quicker response can be done.

edit: as of currently, someone is doing it in our keep. gl for us.

Sympathize with you all. Check my thread too, it is happning at the moment on our server BT. How can this even be acceptable.

Daaaaang. That blows lol. Luckily I’m not on a server that does that but I would be extremely angry if I were.

Loosmaster.8263:

DeeSystm.1256:

Valid tactic, nothing to see here, move along folks.

I sure hope you’re not the same SF on JQ…

It’s my idea of what anet is thinking right now.

I do actually care about this, but i’m not expect anything, whatsoever in any way, shape, or form to be done.

We got a temp ban on the one guy for verbal abuse, not the siege trolling, so there is literally nothing going to be done, i have no hope .

People do get a ban, someone got one for walking golems off the cliff in garrison in BG, but that happens very rarely. I don’t think siege placement would get a ban.

Sreoom.3690:

Give commanders the ability to mark unneeded siege to allow folks to break them down for supply….then problem solved.

Having the ability to remove unneeded siege for supply would be cool…….and would probably be trolled, too. Could you imagine someone removing all the siege from a keep right before an attack? Or using all the supply to build, then remove siege so the keep is drained, and empty?

All this trolling started when that guy ras rogragrogrowth aka slayz alittle transferred from BG to JQ, he even admitted to spying.

A while ago, when Kaineng was rising, a group of opponents (Mags I think, not sure though) sync reported the War Machine guys for botting. At least one of their leaders got suspended. The Strike Force leader got also suspended for “gold selling” (was not a report thing, but an auto detect program since he was transferring gold to a guildie to buy a tag). It caused a lot of criticism.

My point it – wrongful banning people is something Anet wants to avoid. They would rather let 10 guilty go then ban one innocent.

SBI changed tiers a lot lately – the only place we met dedicated griefers was against higher tier servers. The most competitive PvPers are there. They will do whatever they can to win, including griefing (like Agg did to WM a year ago).

Still, competitive PvPers are not the main target population for the ANet team, not in WvW at least. They care mostly about newcomers, people who just bought the game and jumped into WvW without knowing much. That’s why a commander can’t choose who follows him, why parties only have 5 people, why you cannot kick someone out of the map.

It’s almost impossible to prove “malicious intent” although it’s obvious that noone needs 5 trebs in a supply camp. Would take something similar with a law suit – witnesses, proof, etc. You could end by banning an innocent, someone who just joined the game and knows little. They prefer to let the competitive WvWers in the top tiers deal with this by themselves.

Imalight.6124:

All this trolling started when that guy ras rogragrogrowth aka slayz alittle transferred from BG to JQ, he even admitted to spying.

I was commanding in EB on JQ, that guy siege trolled me by laying numerous amount of treb blueprints on top of my rams, making our people unable to build the rams. He also spammed /t and /m when people were convincing him to stop. Why isn’t he banned yet?

slapping him with siege placement? nononono

“While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. This includes posting insulting, offensive, or abusive comments about players, repeatedly sending unwanted messages, reporting players maliciously, attacking a player based on race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc. Hate speech is not tolerated.”

“harass”, “to enjoy”
not listed? next can cover that.

“Despite our best efforts to detail the different sections with specific examples, there will always be areas that will ultimately be handled on a per incident basis by the Guild Wars 2 Customer Service Team. Even when not specified, NC Interactive, Inc. (“NCsoft”) and ArenaNet, Inc. (“ArenaNet”) have the sole right and final judgment of how to interpret and apply these rules and guidelines to any specific circumstance and situation, including proper punishment or exception.”

they have everything they need to hit them with a truck in the face. all they need is to drive it.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct/

it is just sad if someone has to cheat on an online game

earendil.1290:

It’s almost impossible to prove “malicious intent” although it’s obvious that noone needs 5 trebs in a supply camp.

Is it obvious? What if you expect an enemy zerg to come in within a few minutes and take the camp to resupply before heading to your garrison? Now ‘wasting’ supply on useless siege becomes a tactical move rather then malicious intent.

Kitiara.2706:

Sreoom.3690:

Give commanders the ability to mark unneeded siege to allow folks to break them down for supply….then problem solved.

Having the ability to remove unneeded siege for supply would be cool…….and would probably be trolled, too. Could you imagine someone removing all the siege from a keep right before an attack? Or using all the supply to build, then remove siege so the keep is drained, and empty?

The two main trolls on our server both are so sad they even bought a commander tag to troll more. So giving more power to a commander would be indeed a way to troll even more. Banning them is the only option.

I’m sorry but that image is amazing. A bit sad but still pretty awesome that someone took the time to create that masterpiece.

Lol I would love to see those ~50 trebs firing at the same time.

Why not implementing a PK mechaninc ? a commander should be able ( with enough votes from the other players ) to tag those trolls as “enemy” players, then everyone would be able to kill them and theyrs sieges.