Guild Wars 2

The current poll clearly states that we can choose between

A keep the rotation system as it is now ( x time 3 alpine border, x time 3 dessert borders)

B have them simultaneously (with outer 1 or 2 desserts /1-2 alpine)

There is no option to say we do not want dessert borderlands at all. Please keep that in mind! (so do not vote for rotations so you do not get any dessert borderlands at all….. while we are currently in alpine border if rotations continue you will have to play in dessert border again when it rotates back in)

With that out of the way, they only reason to vote against simultaneous borders would be as it could be considered an imbalance in the game. One server will have a different home border then the other 2 which could be an advantage/disadvantage. However then again EB is also not completely balanced out (with red overlook keep in range of SM next to the terrain differences) so i personally do not really see this as a big problem. All servers will probably have players that like one map over the other so i think it will work out fine.

I’m in favor of more choice and currently over 50% seems to be in favor of having 1 dessert border and 2 alpine borders, which seems like a really good idea to me. Most will be happy as everyone gets to pick his /her favorite border and no one will be forced to play on a border they do not like for weeks just because of the rotation system.

The only thing that i would like to see is that the server who gets the dessert border (due to the poll lets assume 1 dessert, 2 alpine for now) as homeworld, is changed weekly as much as possible. Since servers can be the same color for weeks at times, this might need an additional system (or alternatively have a fixed borderland (say red) be dessert border, but then adjust the color picking system so those are changed weekly to get the same effect). That should keep things in balance.

This is disappointing, because if my server draws the short stick and ends up as the one with the deserted map for the week, I don’t need to log on that week. I am a home border scout, and the desert borderland is undefendable.

The OP’s post deserves some merit for expanding on the poll. They really need to work on delivering more information to players before they vote as most won’t be looking over on forums or somewhere else for it.

msalakka.4653:

This is disappointing, because if my server draws the short stick and ends up as the one with the deserted map for the week, I don’t need to log on that week. I am a home border scout, and the desert borderland is undefendable.

I find it interesting that you identify yourself in such a specific role as to have no desire to play the game type for a week if DBL would be in play. Does this also mean then that come next quarter you will not play for three months?

At the end of the day, no matter which option wins, the players will eventually adapt… or in the extreme case leave the game (mode) altogether.

msalakka.4653:

This is disappointing, because if my server draws the short stick and ends up as the one with the deserted map for the week, I don’t need to log on that week. I am a home border scout, and the desert borderland is undefendable.

This is why the argument over borderlands is silly because I find alpine to be less defensible when the enemy zerg you just wiped can be back at the gate 30 seconds after you wiped it. It’s all how the individual commanders and servers handle to defense and the attack.

Variety is the spice of life, have both at once regardless of it’s 1 desert and 2 alpine or 2 desert and 1 alpine. It also opens the opportunity for a third map later.

Redoing my post to be less long winded.

I also find the desert borderlands to be more easily defended as long as a defending force is actually present. Something more likely with the current server merges. Aside from that Desert Borderlands is significantly improved based to its previous incarnations. And anet has made it clear they are willing to continue improving the map until it suits the WvW playerbase. (Even going so far as massive restructuring of the terrain)

I voted to have the desert borderlands be 1 of the 3 matches in the hopes that it is assigned to the “weakest” server in order to give them the terrain advantage similar to red keep in EBG. With stronger layouts that are less vulnerable to treb spam (Garrison in Desert borderlands has an easier time countersieging and taking out groups harrasing the outside) as well as more effective defensive lords that can give defending teams advantages. I feel desert borderlands can be a good addition as long as it is still improved over time.

But as for the original topic. I can understand why anet has decided to chose to continue to improve desert borderlands instead of throwing it away in some knee jerk reaction. Because desert borderlands CAN be a good wvw map. It just needs time and continued adjustment. Abandoning it now isn’t just a bad sign for WvW immediately. But for any future development as well.

If anet gives up on desert borderlands now it sets a VERY bad precedent for WvW. One being that WvW is just too risky to try and develop significant content for. Ultimately meaning that WvW may end up just dieing of stagnation entirely without recieving significant content updates. Which would be very bad for the game as a whole.

Shadelang.3012:

But if we give up on it entirely. Then quite frankly the largest single contribution given to WvW will have been entirely for nothing. And I honestly doubt we would EVER see any more WvW maps if we gave up on desert borderlands entirely.

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In other words. If we give up on new content for WvW such as the desert borderlands just because of the past then WvW is dead and we should all give up now because all that awaits it is stagnation

Well said, I am one for playing the long game when it comes to DBL… and in the mean time I believe that it is better to have a choice over three months of being force fed one map over the other. While I can’t say which of the choices on offer would actually produce faster results in terms of iterating DBL to be in a better place, I would still hope most people see the long term benefit of not forsaking DBL entirely.

Come future expansions it will be harder and harder for ArenaNet to excite WvW players, all the more so if we tell them now that we don’t want to see different maps. With HoT they tried to give WvW players a major piece of content, and arguably failed, but I’d rather they keep trying than allow the game mode to hit a glass ceiling because the playerbase can’t think in the long term.

Crise.9401:

Shadelang.3012:

But if we give up on it entirely. Then quite frankly the largest single contribution given to WvW will have been entirely for nothing. And I honestly doubt we would EVER see any more WvW maps if we gave up on desert borderlands entirely.

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In other words. If we give up on new content for WvW such as the desert borderlands just because of the past then WvW is dead and we should all give up now because all that awaits it is stagnation

Well said, I am one for playing the long game when it comes to DBL… and in the mean time I believe that it is better to have a choice over three months of being force fed one map over the other. While I can’t say which of the choices on offer would actually produce faster results in terms of iterating DBL to be in a better place, I would still hope most people see the long term benefit of not forsaking DBL entirely.

Come future expansions it will be harder and harder for ArenaNet to excite WvW players, all the more so if we tell them now that we don’t want to see different maps. With HoT they tried to give WvW players a major piece of content, and arguably failed, but I’d rather they keep trying than allow the game mode to hit a glass ceiling because the playerbase can’t think in the long term.

This is definetly the center of my original post. I wish I had been able to write it as well in my first draft haha I blame being awake for far far too long.

Yes! I was annoyed with this also! I definitely do NOT want the desert borderlands back!

I didn’t realise how much I disliked the Desert Borderlands, until the Alpine came back, For me, it’s due to the Alpine being much smaller, so when swords pop on south camp, you actually have a chance of making it there to defend if you respond straight away. If you miss out, you’re bound to see the attacker there for fights.

This was NEVER the case on Desert Borderlands, unless you just happened to be close by…. Meaning we never really got fights…. Which is what we play WvW for… Which I believe is why the desert borderlands are detested by so many.

Please scrap the Desert Borderland maps or use them as an alternate EOTM map and start working on alternatives. They are too big and are only good for Ktraining. Unless you can shrink them…. Start spending your time on making new maps.

I am not voting in this poll at all due to the option I prefer not existing.

I’ve come to the conclusion that the majority of desert haters are a very very vocal minority of the overall population. The majority of the overall population will play whatever they’re given.

jazdarc.1367:

Yes! I was annoyed with this also! I definitely do NOT want the desert borderlands back! <snip>

I am not voting in this poll at all due to the option I prefer not existing.

No dessert borderlands is NOT an option (and given the overal opinions here and in game not everyone in the game feels that alpine borders are superior in every way)

This topic is therefore also intended to discuss rotation vs simultaneous

If you do not like dessert border, then rotations are the thing you are really going to hate as you are forced into them for x time. Thats why i think its good to have a choice.

The real point of discussion in the pol should be following: (lets assume simultaneous would get 2 alpine and 1 dessert border for the examples)

1 Do you think that there is an (significant) advantage /disadvantage for the server who gets dessert borderlands as home border

2 Do you think that advantage/disadvantage is so large that it would have a (huge) impact on the WvW scores?

And if you think there would be a significant effect on WvW scores due the the different borderlands, if there could be a way to minimize this effect

My personal opinion is that dessert border might be more easy to defend so there might be an advantage there, however i do not think it would effect WvW scoring overall in a big way. To be certain it would not have any long lasting effects is suggest that the dessert border is rotated weekly (Which i think should be a VERRY important part of the implementation anyway) so that every server has the same advantage/disadvantage over a period of 3 weeks which would level it out again. Therefore i see no problems with having both border simultaneous and would welcome it to WvW.

I’d much rather try something interesting and new (both types of borderlands simultaneously) and have the potential to undo it if it doesn’t work out than to not try something interesting and new for fear it doesn’t work out.

Hesacon.8735:

I’ve come to the conclusion that the majority of desert haters are a very very vocal minority of the overall population. The majority of the overall population will play whatever they’re given.

This is absolutely correct and I think although the current poll hasn’t been running that long the current results correlate with that conclusion as well.

You’re wasting my time with your biased thread. Nobody wants to be bothered by it. Oh, wait, I’m speaking for everyone when I don’t know what everyone thinks. Wish I knew what everyone thinks like you do. By virtue of the fact that ArenaNet is doing polls to see what the WvW’ers want shows that they care very much about the players and want to deliver the best gaming experience possible. How better than to have polls to then deliver such content?

Looks like your *opinion isn’t the popular one so far…

51.4% Yes 1: Simultaneous Borderlands is a superior option

27.2% No: Rotating borderlands is a superior option

13.7% Yes 2: Simultaneous Borderlands is a superior option

7.7% Don’t count my vote, just show me the current results.

In case you can’t do math, that’s 65.1% in favor of having at least one DBL at all times.

dank.3680:

Looks like your *opinion isn’t the popular one so far…

51.4% Yes 1: Simultaneous Borderlands is a superior option

27.2% No: Rotating borderlands is a superior option

13.7% Yes 2: Simultaneous Borderlands is a superior option

7.7% Don’t count my vote, just show me the current results.

In case you can’t do math, that’s 65.1% in favor of having at least one DBL at all times.

Option 5 was left out, No DBL at all. How much would the numbers change if it was there?

Edit: Option 4 could have counted to that result, lol.

Loosmaster.8263:

dank.3680:

Looks like your *opinion isn’t the popular one so far…

51.4% Yes 1: Simultaneous Borderlands is a superior option

27.2% No: Rotating borderlands is a superior option

13.7% Yes 2: Simultaneous Borderlands is a superior option

7.7% Don’t count my vote, just show me the current results.

In case you can’t do math, that’s 65.1% in favor of having at least one DBL at all times.

Option 5 was left out, No DBL at all. How much would the numbers change if it was there?

Edit: Option 4 could have counted to that result, lol.

Read that the same way you did and tilted my head at the math insult. No DBL option was not present and the option with two Alpine bls was the most popular. Bad poll and argument.

dank.3680:

Looks like your *opinion isn’t the popular one so far…

51.4% Yes 1: Simultaneous Borderlands is a superior option

27.2% No: Rotating borderlands is a superior option

13.7% Yes 2: Simultaneous Borderlands is a superior option

7.7% Don’t count my vote, just show me the current results.

In case you can’t do math, that’s 65.1% in favor of having at least one DBL at all times.

When you adjust for those who didn’t care, it becomes 70.5% of those polled that believe at least one DBL map should be part of wvw all of the time.

Of the remaining 29.5%, some might’ve been more concerned about things like balance issues than actually disposing of DBL. So the hate for DBL is even lower than that.

It is interesting how the options were presented.

“SmokinBuda”……..that pretty much says all that needs to be said.

Hesacon.8735:

I’ve come to the conclusion that the majority of desert haters are a very very vocal minority of the overall population. The majority of the overall population will play whatever they’re given.

Agreed.

RodOfDeath.5247:

Loosmaster.8263:

dank.3680:

Looks like your *opinion isn’t the popular one so far…

51.4% Yes 1: Simultaneous Borderlands is a superior option

27.2% No: Rotating borderlands is a superior option

13.7% Yes 2: Simultaneous Borderlands is a superior option

7.7% Don’t count my vote, just show me the current results.

In case you can’t do math, that’s 65.1% in favor of having at least one DBL at all times.

Option 5 was left out, No DBL at all. How much would the numbers change if it was there?

Edit: Option 4 could have counted to that result, lol.

Read that the same way you did and tilted my head at the math insult. No DBL option was not present and the option with two Alpine bls was the most popular. Bad poll and argument.

Those not in favor of at least one DBL being there at all times would take the option of rotating borderlands . I fail to see how my math was wrong?

There was no option for no DBL at all because obviously scrapping it is not an option. Clearly there is sufficient interest in DBL.

Desert BL will be in whether you like it or not. There is a player base who do enjoy it, and Anet spent way too much time/resource creating a map that they will not just throw away. Just choose not to enter that map. I personally prefer the alpine BL’s but that is solely based off of the wealth of experience I have on them. I will likely still chose to play on alpine BL’s, over Desert BL’s … but I won’t disregard that there is a playerbase out there who enjoy the opposite. I may not speak for them, but they speak for themselves when they place there votes.

dank.3680:

Looks like your *opinion isn’t the popular one so far…
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In case you can’t do math, that’s 65.1% in favor of having at least one DBL at all times.

That’s coz you have no idea what the percentage would be if we had a real choice. This poll really is bullkitten. Once again we have a choice of the lesser of a few evils. It isn’t fair one way or the other. Why not have a poll about who prefers ABL and who prefers DBL? Coz you kitten well know what will happen then.

DenaDeathbringer.8419:

You’re wasting my time with your biased thread. Nobody wants to be bothered by it. Oh, wait, I’m speaking for everyone when I don’t know what everyone thinks. Wish I knew what everyone thinks like you do. By virtue of the fact that ArenaNet is doing polls to see what the WvW’ers want shows that they care very much about the players and want to deliver the best gaming experience possible. How better than to have polls to then deliver such content?

EXACTLY! Give us the " keep or scrap DBL" poll and see what happens. No reason to second guess, they just need to poll for it. Of course if they refuse players can just petition AGAIN and make their own polls AGAIN as they already did during the DBL boycott.

I’ve come to the conclusion that the majority of non-desert haters are a very very vocal minority of the overall population. The majority of the overall population already quit because of desert, and a majority of what’s left will quit when it returns.

If you don’t like the DBL, then don’t play that map. Easy. A lot of us miss it. We only got to play for a couple weeks with all the changes they made in the quarterly update. They put a lot of work into it, and frankly, I just can’t play ABL for another year or two if they did scrap DBL. So boring.

DBL boycott. That makes me laugh so hard every time I read that.

I do agree on one thing.. where is my option to keep 3 alpine BLs and never see DBLs ever again?

They really don’t want to scrap DBL and thus are afraid to release such a poll.

ArenaNet is not open to permanently having ONLY the Alpine borderlands which is why that option was not in the poll. It is certainly true that you cannot look at this pole and say “most people want to permanently have 1 desert bl.” You can look at it and say “of the options presented, having 1 desert bl was the most popular.” If the option of not having any desert bl was presented, it could have been the most popular vote. One of the main reasons (probably) for Anet wanting to have the desert bl worked in one way or another is because of all the work they put into it. I don’t think they’d want to remove desert bl completely after it has only been used for a few months because it would look like a big waste (already sorta looks like a waste).

Shadelang.3012:

I voted to have the desert borderlands be 1 of the 3 matches in the hopes that it is assigned to the “weakest” server in order to give them the terrain advantage similar to red keep in EBG. With stronger layouts that are less vulnerable to treb spam (Garrison in Desert borderlands has an easier time countersieging and taking out groups harrasing the outside) as well as more effective defensive lords that can give defending teams advantages. I feel desert borderlands can be a good addition as long as it is still improved over time.

Many fellow WvWers shared the idea to have 1 DBL, 1 ABL and 1 EBG and have each server/team be at the usual red’s location. That way you keep the advantage of a single map each and eliminate the redundancy of having the same thing 3 times, and gives all players what they want. I agree there could be some queues problems with some stacked servers, but that’s another question.

Shadelang.3012:

But as for the original topic. I can understand why anet has decided to chose to continue to improve desert borderlands instead of throwing it away in some knee jerk reaction. Because desert borderlands CAN be a good wvw map. It just needs time and continued adjustment. Abandoning it now isn’t just a bad sign for WvW immediately. But for any future development as well.

If anet gives up on desert borderlands now it sets a VERY bad precedent for WvW. One being that WvW is just too risky to try and develop significant content for. Ultimately meaning that WvW may end up just dieing of stagnation entirely without recieving significant content updates. Which would be very bad for the game as a whole.

Thank you for this extremely good warning. Anet is already not pushing full steam in terms of WvW development, scrapping all that work would be bad news. So yes, i’m glad voting “no desert BL at all” is not an option.
DBL however still needs a LOT of work with strategic location placement (seriously, those two north towers could be erased and it would barely change the pacing) and the now very very empty and sad middle ground of it. It feels like Legend of Zelda’s Termina without Clock Tower in the center.

I simply don’t understand how people can say that nobody wants the desert borderlands.That comment is as arrogant as it is erroneous.A lot of people liked the desert border lands.
Personally I would like ANET to go one step further and add a third type as well .Like a jungle borderland. And put them on a rotation .I think having a mix one way or the other way give an unfair advantage or disadvantage .

They should have made 2 more options for the poll “Alpine only, don’t bring back DBL” or “DBL only, don’t bring back Alpine” to just see how this would go.

I bet you Alpine Only would be winning by a lot right now. I had to choose 2 Alpine 1 DBL because I had no better choice, much like so many others.

XTR.9604:

They should have made 2 more options for the poll “Alpine only, don’t bring back DBL” or “DBL only, don’t bring back Alpine” to just see how this would go.

I bet you Alpine Only would be winning by a lot right now. I had to choose 2 Alpine 1 DBL because I had no better choice, much like so many others.

They have already said, atm, eliminating dbls is off the table. Might be on the table further down the road, but as of right now….nope.

And if they had added 2 more options to the exsiting poll, it would have diluted the poll so much that I imagine they wouldn’t have had anything more than 30-35% for any one option.

Despite what people claim on these forums as being the absolute truth, there were/are players that like dbls, especially after the few changes they made to them.

It is funny how so many forget about all the complaints about abls when they were the only bl. Dbls would have never been made had not so many here been so vocal in their whines about abls awhile back.

I remember, as I was one with some whines about abls. I’ll admit that I was surprised that they decided to make dbls….and I wasn’t happy about them at first. But after I got used to them, and Anet took down some of the barriers, I really got to like them for the potential strategy they provided.

and u know the one who love DBL as soon as they get owned or no one to play with, first thing they do is queue EB lol.

dank.3680:

RodOfDeath.5247:

Loosmaster.8263:

dank.3680:

Looks like your *opinion isn’t the popular one so far…

51.4% Yes 1: Simultaneous Borderlands is a superior option

27.2% No: Rotating borderlands is a superior option

13.7% Yes 2: Simultaneous Borderlands is a superior option

7.7% Don’t count my vote, just show me the current results.

In case you can’t do math, that’s 65.1% in favor of having at least one DBL at all times.

Option 5 was left out, No DBL at all. How much would the numbers change if it was there?

Edit: Option 4 could have counted to that result, lol.

Read that the same way you did and tilted my head at the math insult. No DBL option was not present and the option with two Alpine bls was the most popular. Bad poll and argument.

Those not in favor of at least one DBL being there at all times would take the option of rotating borderlands . I fail to see how my math was wrong?

There was no option for no DBL at all because obviously scrapping it is not an option. Clearly there is sufficient interest in DBL.

I voted 2 alpine, 1 desert simply to minimize the damage that kitten map does to WvW.
If they had clearly stated they were willing to do a weekly rotation I would have voted for that, but 3 months of that terrible map would decimate the population just like it did last time.
I would rather permanently have 3 out of 4 maps be playable all the time and be stuck with 1 garbage map, rather than see another mass exodus because the queues make EBG impossible to get into and the deserted bl is all we have to play on.

This in no way means I prefer having 1 dbl.

Taxidriver.2043:

and u know the one who love DBL as soon as they get owned or no one to play with, first thing they do is queue EB lol.

That’s true for either abls or dbls.

Puck.9612:

dank.3680:

RodOfDeath.5247:

Loosmaster.8263:

dank.3680:

Looks like your *opinion isn’t the popular one so far…

51.4% Yes 1: Simultaneous Borderlands is a superior option

27.2% No: Rotating borderlands is a superior option

13.7% Yes 2: Simultaneous Borderlands is a superior option

7.7% Don’t count my vote, just show me the current results.

In case you can’t do math, that’s 65.1% in favor of having at least one DBL at all times.

Option 5 was left out, No DBL at all. How much would the numbers change if it was there?

Edit: Option 4 could have counted to that result, lol.

Read that the same way you did and tilted my head at the math insult. No DBL option was not present and the option with two Alpine bls was the most popular. Bad poll and argument.

Those not in favor of at least one DBL being there at all times would take the option of rotating borderlands . I fail to see how my math was wrong?

There was no option for no DBL at all because obviously scrapping it is not an option. Clearly there is sufficient interest in DBL.

I voted 2 alpine, 1 desert simply to minimize the damage that kitten map does to WvW.
If they had clearly stated they were willing to do a weekly rotation I would have voted for that, but 3 months of that terrible map would decimate the population just like it did last time.
I would rather permanently have 3 out of 4 maps be playable all the time and be stuck with 1 garbage map, rather than see another mass exodus because the queues make EBG impossible to get into and the deserted bl is all we have to play on.

This in no way means I prefer having 1 dbl.

Imo, 2 abls and 1 dbl is the best option they offered up right now. I bet you’ll be surprised at how many people(especially roamers and havoc squads) will play the 1 dbl. Besides the players that actually like the dbls, many players will use the dbls just to escape blob warfare, as there are quite a few out there that despise that mode of wvw.(IE, lower tiered servers that have been paired up with T1 and T2 servers. I know of quite a few on Kaineng alone that would jump at having a dbl map JUST to get away from blob mentality)

Teon.5168:

Puck.9612:

dank.3680:

RodOfDeath.5247:

Loosmaster.8263:

dank.3680:

Looks like your *opinion isn’t the popular one so far…

51.4% Yes 1: Simultaneous Borderlands is a superior option

27.2% No: Rotating borderlands is a superior option

13.7% Yes 2: Simultaneous Borderlands is a superior option

7.7% Don’t count my vote, just show me the current results.

In case you can’t do math, that’s 65.1% in favor of having at least one DBL at all times.

Option 5 was left out, No DBL at all. How much would the numbers change if it was there?

Edit: Option 4 could have counted to that result, lol.

Read that the same way you did and tilted my head at the math insult. No DBL option was not present and the option with two Alpine bls was the most popular. Bad poll and argument.

Those not in favor of at least one DBL being there at all times would take the option of rotating borderlands . I fail to see how my math was wrong?

There was no option for no DBL at all because obviously scrapping it is not an option. Clearly there is sufficient interest in DBL.

I voted 2 alpine, 1 desert simply to minimize the damage that kitten map does to WvW.
If they had clearly stated they were willing to do a weekly rotation I would have voted for that, but 3 months of that terrible map would decimate the population just like it did last time.
I would rather permanently have 3 out of 4 maps be playable all the time and be stuck with 1 garbage map, rather than see another mass exodus because the queues make EBG impossible to get into and the deserted bl is all we have to play on.

This in no way means I prefer having 1 dbl.

Imo, 2 abls and 1 dbl is the best option they offered up right now. I bet you’ll be surprised at how many people(especially roamers and havoc squads) will play the 1 dbl. Besides the players that actually like the dbls, many players will use the dbls just to escape blob warfare, as there are quite a few out there that despise that mode of wvw.(IE, lower tiered servers that have been paired up with T1 and T2 servers. I know of quite a few on Kaineng alone that would jump at having a dbl map JUST to get away from blob mentality)

I primarily roam and havoc and you won’t catch me dead in that garbage map unless every other map is queued and I need somewhere to be until my queue for the others pops.

XTR.9604:

Teon.5168:

Puck.9612:

dank.3680:

RodOfDeath.5247:

Loosmaster.8263:

dank.3680:

Looks like your *opinion isn’t the popular one so far…

51.4% Yes 1: Simultaneous Borderlands is a superior option

27.2% No: Rotating borderlands is a superior option

13.7% Yes 2: Simultaneous Borderlands is a superior option

7.7% Don’t count my vote, just show me the current results.

In case you can’t do math, that’s 65.1% in favor of having at least one DBL at all times.

Option 5 was left out, No DBL at all. How much would the numbers change if it was there?

Edit: Option 4 could have counted to that result, lol.

Read that the same way you did and tilted my head at the math insult. No DBL option was not present and the option with two Alpine bls was the most popular. Bad poll and argument.

Those not in favor of at least one DBL being there at all times would take the option of rotating borderlands . I fail to see how my math was wrong?

There was no option for no DBL at all because obviously scrapping it is not an option. Clearly there is sufficient interest in DBL.

I voted 2 alpine, 1 desert simply to minimize the damage that kitten map does to WvW.
If they had clearly stated they were willing to do a weekly rotation I would have voted for that, but 3 months of that terrible map would decimate the population just like it did last time.
I would rather permanently have 3 out of 4 maps be playable all the time and be stuck with 1 garbage map, rather than see another mass exodus because the queues make EBG impossible to get into and the deserted bl is all we have to play on.

This in no way means I prefer having 1 dbl.

Imo, 2 abls and 1 dbl is the best option they offered up right now. I bet you’ll be surprised at how many people(especially roamers and havoc squads) will play the 1 dbl. Besides the players that actually like the dbls, many players will use the dbls just to escape blob warfare, as there are quite a few out there that despise that mode of wvw.(IE, lower tiered servers that have been paired up with T1 and T2 servers. I know of quite a few on Kaineng alone that would jump at having a dbl map JUST to get away from blob mentality)

I primarily roam and havoc and you won’t catch me dead in that garbage map unless every other map is queued and I need somewhere to be until my queue for the others pops.

That’s your choice. There will be a lot of my fellow Kaineng players out on that map roaming and havocing…..and I am sure I will be there quite a bit myself. That map lends itself to strategic roamers and havoc squads much better than ABL ever did. Especially for the lower tiered servers wanting to get away from blob warfare.

I don’t get all the rage.
I don’t like the Alpine bl,I find it too flat and boring,but since other people like it,I play it too.
Seriously,all this drama every time they bring out new and more complicated maps.
Should we play the same old map for the next 3 years because some people can’t get their heads around and adjust to different and varied map designs?

Mokk.2397:

I simply don’t understand how people can say that nobody wants the desert borderlands.That comment is as arrogant as it is erroneous.A lot of people liked the desert border lands.
Personally I would like ANET to go one step further and add a third type as well .Like a jungle borderland. And put them on a rotation .I think having a mix one way or the other way give an unfair advantage or disadvantage .

This would be the logical progression of things if they go with the simultaneous choice.
At some point in a future x pack,they will add a third map,and WvW will finally be as it should have been from day 1,with 4 different map designs.
Hopefully.

Lord Kuru.3685:

I’ve come to the conclusion that the majority of non-desert haters are a very very vocal minority of the overall population. The majority of the overall population already quit because of desert, and a majority of what’s left will quit when it returns.

I see what you did, there.

Curious as to where you’re getting your “majority quit or will quit” numbers, though, as Anet has never released any sort of population numbers. Ever.

I know, it’s a small thing.

Loosmaster.8263:

Option 5 was left out, No DBL at all. How much would the numbers change if it was there?

Edit: Option 4 could have counted to that result, lol.

Would have thought they would have voted the last option no vote show the result. If neither major option reaches 75% then clearly the ABL will remain and there won’t even be a rotation.

It’s the old-fashioned debating strategy of argumentum ex anum.
You can look at the current poll results to see the number who prefer DBL over ABL is not that small.

Half prefer Alpine the other half either prefer desert, just want it to be balanced or don’t care.

Ben K.6238:

It’s the old-fashioned debating strategy of argumentum ex anum.
You can look at the current poll results to see the number who prefer DBL over ABL is not that small.

I voted for 2 alps 1 desert, and I know that my voting wasn’t influenced by map preference and more by a vague sense of balance/fairness.

Basically I don’t think you can appropriate that voting split (whatever the split happens to be) as a sign of map preferences. Trying to seems disingenuous.

Teon.5168:

Lord Kuru.3685:

I’ve come to the conclusion that the majority of non-desert haters are a very very vocal minority of the overall population. The majority of the overall population already quit because of desert, and a majority of what’s left will quit when it returns.

I see what you did, there.

Curious as to where you’re getting your “majority quit or will quit” numbers, though, as Anet has never released any sort of population numbers. Ever.

I know, it’s a small thing.

If you played before HoT and then after, you know the majority of players quit WvW… I’d estimate 70%.

The obvious options that wasn’t there is “alpine + desert + a 3rd borderland map we will create”.

morrolan.9608:

Loosmaster.8263:

Option 5 was left out, No DBL at all. How much would the numbers change if it was there?

Edit: Option 4 could have counted to that result, lol.

Would have thought they would have given the last option then no vote show the result. If neither option reaches 75% then clearly the ABL will remain and there won’t even be a rotation.

How do you figure that? Anet already said there would be a rotation. The poll is just giving us some options for that rotation.