Guild Wars 2

I think for the first time the crying and whining is true.

I signed on for a bit in the evening during prime time on FA and wow, just wow. Outnumbered buff up and when I did see the enemy zergs it wasn’t that outnumbered.

Hello??? Competition where are you? Only reason this game is surviving, let’s be honest. But anet, satisfied with their game won’t help. Some other mmo puts a fire under their kitten watch them scramble.

gebrechen.5643:

Wait, isn’t TC in Tier 1 to fight BG? All this transfering to TC happened just for this cause and now they hide?

BG has more coverage and they are the only t1 server that has SEA/Ocx atm. EU/NA is more competitive but still BG has numbers during those times too. Their is not a hour of time when BG does is not ahead or tied. RIght now YB and BG are focused on TC this week.

The K/D shows the activity level on the servers http://wvwintel.com/
Per thousand players
T1
YB 14 kills 20 deaths, BG 29 kills 22 deaths ,TC 23 kills 25 deaths
T2
FA 14 kill 19 deaths, JQ 23 kills 23 deaths, DB 26 kills 24 deaths

RodOfDeath.5247:

I think for the first time the crying and whining is true.

I signed on for a bit in the evening during prime time on FA and wow, just wow. Outnumbered buff up and when I did see the enemy zergs it wasn’t that outnumbered.

Hello??? Competition where are you? Only reason this game is surviving, let’s be honest. But anet, satisfied with their game won’t help. Some other mmo puts a fire under their kitten watch them scramble.

Yea that the issue with NA WvW weekly it is not competitive. Hardcore players say they play for fights but casual player play to win. Its the systems that’s messed up, when low periods of time determine the match-up. It reduces the amount of people that want to play on that server so they transfer to another server.

It seems like server pride is one of the things that keeps EU stable. Unlike NA where everyone just stacks a server to see if it can bet another server. EU wvw always looks stable compared to NA wvw.

WvW is far from dead. It has been very much alive in T2. Last night in a 2 hour run with [BEEP], I got 106 heavy loot bags from DB and JQ.

Not even close to dead. The bags are great, the fun is certainly there. Sounds like you need to transfer to a different server to stop you from being so demoralized.

gebrechen.5643:

Wait, isn’t TC in Tier 1 to fight BG? All this transfering to TC happened just for this cause and now they hide?

TC lost as many people that joined, if not more. A lot of what was our core groups jumped to dragonbrand before the relink to attempt to stop the stacking to tier 1 non sense from happening. Now we have a shortages of people and no coverage other than EU/NA. I have noticed this week a lot of people are not on because they are either bored of the matchup and are not playing or left to other servers.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Treating others the way you would like to be treated is key. It’s not about honor or a sub set of personal values, it’s about making the game mode fun for everyone so you can all have those epic fights where you pat each other on the backs and say “good game!” If you’re always spawn camping, roaming in large gank groups that emote and pester solos or acting like hungry wolves trying to crack open a tower filled with a zerg half the size of yours it just becomes unfun for both sides. You can only farm easy bags for so long before it becomes boring and it gets lame a lot faster for the ones being farmed.

I like how clear and concise this is worded. I agree 1000%

Blame Onslaught [onS] and Tempest Wolves [TW] from Blackgate, those guilds are actually responsible of the bad state of NA’s wvw. Transferring from BG to JQ, then TC, then YB, and going back to BG, with god knows how many accounts : that’s the only result we could have expected for NA.

If you’re a real wvw’er and looking for challenge, come to EU, the matchups are fair and people don’t follow the others like sheeps does

I’m on TC … I find the overall post coming from BG a little surprising but even the #1 server likely has to experience some challenges. I generally enjoy fighting BG in ebg, there is some fun fights and skilled & coordinated players, like the QQ guys who are always up for some fights out front of an enemy keep. I’ll put in work if we have a driver who needs support too, I’m not opposed to fighting outnumbered, and more often than not I want to help support the driver. By not doing so, it kinda leads to people tagging up less frequently.

I think whether WvW was vibrant or barren, that Anet wouldn’t really care. it’s not a balanced game mode, it’s meant to be some weird hybrid of pvp/rvr/pve …

The only thing we ever can do is use what we have to create our fun … so if you like small scale skirmishing, do that, or large rvr style zerg battles (whether outnumbered or not) do that, hell I even know some people that just like to relax, crack open a few beers and scout… and chat in TS.

Even in the current almost queue-less style of WvW – just going out there and having fun with friends who play … that’s all you can really do. Just because we did that with large queues more frequently before, doesn’t mean we can’t do the same in a diminishing population.

Everyone one who isn’t on BG claims BG is too stacked. I play on BG and have to say more often than not the odds are very close. Stop the excuses and play better. Nobody was complaining when YB pvd’d their way into 1st place month after month. It isn’t BG / ET fault they have the best commanders and the best soldiers.

drcraig.9403:

Everyone one who isn’t on BG claims BG is too stacked. I play on BG and have to say more often than not the odds are very close. Stop the excuses and play better. Nobody was complaining when YB pvd’d their way into 1st place month after month. It isn’t BG / ET fault they have the best commanders and the best soldiers.

You’re silly. I was on BG and left because every map had 40+ man queue every day in NA prime. BG is over stacked. I am not even playing T1 anymore and I know this to be fact.

drcraig.9403:

Everyone one who isn’t on BG claims BG is too stacked. I play on BG and have to say more often than not the odds are very close. Stop the excuses and play better. Nobody was complaining when YB pvd’d their way into 1st place month after month. It isn’t BG / ET fault they have the best commanders and the best soldiers.

Almost choked on my drink while reading this. Obviously someone hasn’t played anywhere but on BG lol.

Everyone one who isn’t on BG claims BG is too stacked. I play on BG and have to say more often than not the odds are very close. Stop the excuses and play better. Nobody was complaining when YB pvd’d their way into 1st place month after month. It isn’t BG / ET fault they have the best commanders and the best soldiers.

It must be a joke/troll, otherwise it’s completely out of the reality. Just look at the statistics in terms of ppt and you will understand. If you think the actual metagame of NA’s wvw is more about skills than numbers, you’re totally wrong. More ppt=more time coverage, more time coverage=more ppl stacking. And when you said nobody was complaining about YB stacking, you should not have red the forum very often, pretty much every 3 days there was a post about this problem of bandwagon/siege humping. It seems you try to defend BG position, it’s fair but it’s completely misunderstanding the actual problem NA guys are facing to.

Example : since the end of April, BG wins all their matchups by 2x more than the opponents. You’re saying it’s about skill ? it come totally from the massive transfers that came to BG. Take excel, look the statistics, do an average of ppt correlated with the transfer period (JQ moved to T2, DB moved to T1) and you will understand you’re wrong

Hexinx.1872:

I’m on TC … I find the overall post coming from BG a little surprising but even the #1 server likely has to experience some challenges. I generally enjoy fighting BG in ebg, there is some fun fights and skilled & coordinated players, like the QQ guys who are always up for some fights out front of an enemy keep. I’ll put in work if we have a driver who needs support too, I’m not opposed to fighting outnumbered, and more often than not I want to help support the driver. By not doing so, it kinda leads to people tagging up less frequently.

I think whether WvW was vibrant or barren, that Anet wouldn’t really care. it’s not a balanced game mode, it’s meant to be some weird hybrid of pvp/rvr/pve …

The only thing we ever can do is use what we have to create our fun … so if you like small scale skirmishing, do that, or large rvr style zerg battles (whether outnumbered or not) do that, hell I even know some people that just like to relax, crack open a few beers and scout… and chat in TS.

Even in the current almost queue-less style of WvW – just going out there and having fun with friends who play … that’s all you can really do. Just because we did that with large queues more frequently before, doesn’t mean we can’t do the same in a diminishing population.

Excellent post. Well said. And a wave to a fellow compadre….my second account is on Kaineng, and we still come out to fight to help our TC partners, no matter the odds.

A serious problem is that the vast majority of WvW players are fair weather. When their server is doing well, they pour in and blob down the other side. When locked in cage match like T1, it grinds down even the die hard players to the point they just stop engaging or leave the game completely.

This is a fundamental flaw with these style systems and exists in almost every game that has a mode similar to this.

Straegen.2938:

A serious problem is that the vast majority of WvW players are fair weather. When their server is doing well, they pour in and blob down the other side. When locked in cage match like T1, it grinds down even the die hard players to the point they just stop engaging or leave the game completely.

This is a fundamental flaw with these style systems and exists in almost every game that has a mode similar to this.

I think T1 is the only people really heavily demoralized. In T2, FA is in 3rd place every week – but we have a blast and tons of good fights every day. I am not demoralized by losing the PPT game, there is no reward for winning PPT, so why should we care? lol.

Hello, I am a guild leader of [DwT] and main driver. We run with 15 people most nights or less. We’re always out for a fight.

BG will queue most nights at NA on all maps, the queues very depending on the guilds on the maps. We are very aware BG is stacked high, but that does not mean all of BG blobs. The list of guilds on the opposing servers that run the same numbers as us are small.

During NA we have no choice but to pick a map with a larger guild because the layout of the ABL’s SUPPORT blobbing.You’ll most often find us off doing our own thing on the opposite side of the map, ready to support the larger force if needed.

So unless we come across a havoc guild running 10 people we are always outmanned, and putting a title on a entire server because ebg is blobby or some guilds run more then 30 is unfair to the smaller guilds that work hard.

I highly respect the TC and YB guilds that do come out to fight against the odds. Personally I would rather be the underdog again (as most servers would), Winning means nothing when there isn’t any fight for 1st place

[DwT] is always looking for openfield fights and Scrims, message me in-game and we can organize some.

XTR.9604:

Straegen.2938:

A serious problem is that the vast majority of WvW players are fair weather. When their server is doing well, they pour in and blob down the other side. When locked in cage match like T1, it grinds down even the die hard players to the point they just stop engaging or leave the game completely.

This is a fundamental flaw with these style systems and exists in almost every game that has a mode similar to this.

I think T1 is the only people really heavily demoralized. In T2, FA is in 3rd place every week – but we have a blast and tons of good fights every day. I am not demoralized by losing the PPT game, there is no reward for winning PPT, so why should we care? lol.

Exactly right! Since joining FA it’s really been nothing but a lot of fun fighting in both large groups and smaller roaming/havoc groups. It seems there’s always something going on somewhere… (maybe some slow spots here and there when people are sleeping, but not much). I have heard some trash talk about FA here and there and don’t understand it either… The people that I’ve run with in FA have been great to run with. Good commanders, friendly people… very very few trash talking fools… but every server has some.

antidote.7201:

Blame Onslaught [onS] and Tempest Wolves [TW] from Blackgate, those guilds are actually responsible of the bad state of NA’s wvw. Transferring from BG to JQ, then TC, then YB, and going back to BG, with god knows how many accounts : that’s the only result we could have expected for NA.

If you’re a real wvw’er and looking for challenge, come to EU, the matchups are fair and people don’t follow the others like sheeps does

It’s almost like the masses who left TC due to the T1 invasion were right about a lack of loyalty coming from servers who have a long history of bandwagoning and making unfun and unfair matchups who ditch at the first sight of greener pastures.

BG is overstacked. It’s that simple. What do you do when you’re being farmed? Not play/fight because there’s no point in fighting something you can’t beat (especially now since HoT made WvW emphasize numbers way more via hardened siege, overpowered elite specs, BS guild upgrades, and broken gear options such as durability runes).

Until players no longer have the option of stacking servers/matchups, this issue will perpetuate and will continue to reduce the overall WvW population.

Mezmere.3241:

BG will queue most nights at NA on all maps, the queues very depending on the guilds on the maps.

I like your attitude, and will look for you guys on the battlefield… but this part of the note … is what separates BG from all other servers. Not even TC queues anything outside of reset. And even then, its like EBG + 1

Most nights, NA prime will have no maps queued, or a 50/50 shot at possibly 1 map queued … any given day.

Still gonna fight ya though ;-)

… and to the kaineng brethen who lace up and get battle ready … we salute you and enjoy fighting alongside eachother!

XTR.9604:

drcraig.9403:

Everyone one who isn’t on BG claims BG is too stacked. I play on BG and have to say more often than not the odds are very close. Stop the excuses and play better. Nobody was complaining when YB pvd’d their way into 1st place month after month. It isn’t BG / ET fault they have the best commanders and the best soldiers.

You’re silly. I was on BG and left because every map had 40+ man queue every day in NA prime. BG is over stacked. I am not even playing T1 anymore and I know this to be fact.

I play WvW every evening and except for reset can’t remember the last time I couldn’t get into a map.

drcraig.9403:

XTR.9604:

drcraig.9403:

Everyone one who isn’t on BG claims BG is too stacked. I play on BG and have to say more often than not the odds are very close. Stop the excuses and play better. Nobody was complaining when YB pvd’d their way into 1st place month after month. It isn’t BG / ET fault they have the best commanders and the best soldiers.

You’re silly. I was on BG and left because every map had 40+ man queue every day in NA prime. BG is over stacked. I am not even playing T1 anymore and I know this to be fact.

I play WvW every evening and except for reset can’t remember the last time I couldn’t get into a map.

When I left, if you tried to get in at 9pm, you were sitting in a 40+ man queue no matter which map you were trying to go to.

XTR.9604:

drcraig.9403:

XTR.9604:

drcraig.9403:

Everyone one who isn’t on BG claims BG is too stacked. I play on BG and have to say more often than not the odds are very close. Stop the excuses and play better. Nobody was complaining when YB pvd’d their way into 1st place month after month. It isn’t BG / ET fault they have the best commanders and the best soldiers.

You’re silly. I was on BG and left because every map had 40+ man queue every day in NA prime. BG is over stacked. I am not even playing T1 anymore and I know this to be fact.

I play WvW every evening and except for reset can’t remember the last time I couldn’t get into a map.

When I left, if you tried to get in at 9pm, you were sitting in a 40+ man queue no matter which map you were trying to go to.

It really isn’t like that now, it’s simmered down. Personally, I’m getting tired of all the blobbing and have considered moving to a different server. I like smaller scale fights, not ppt. I don’t really care about weekly score just good combat. Anything over a 10 man group to me isn’t as much fun.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. I think a little history lesson is in order here. BG is a server that’s been superstacking itself for years, even finding workarounds for the full status, to cram more people into WvW. All of this PvE/PvX stuff is…. nonsense. BG was in tier 6, then superstacked to try to push up to tier 1, destroying ever server in its way and having no problem with that. Shortly after that, SoR did the same thing, and the two clashed in tier 2 for a very long time. Eventually SoS (I think it was) fell apart, and TC came up to tier 2 being a tier 2.5 server. Then, SoR ended up superstacking again and made the push up into tier 1, while Kaineng had superstacked and ran roughshod over every server from the bottom all the way up to tier 2. Then BG eventually superstacked more and pushed into tier 1, and FA came up to tier 2.

But the reality is BG is a server that’s been superstacking all the back to around launch, and has done so in multiple tidal waves, and actively circumventing the server limits to cram even more people in. All the while playing the exact same style, regardless of who was there and who they were going against. The basic 4 map strategy, bring a blob of 50 people to every engagement, drop as much siege as you can possibly fit, and just overwhelm the smaller force. In fact, for a long while “That’s too much siege, said no one on BG ever” was BG’s catchphrase that they even used themselves. And the entire time, when dealing with even numbers, BG hasn’t fared so well. During off peak timezones, when their numerous guilds could outnumber other servers 4 to 1, that’s when they paper the other servers’ borderland and EB third, and pretty much run constant karma trains after that to keep it paper. And this goes all the way back from 2012 to today.

So, the reality recap is, BG pioneered the fields of “coverage wars” and “siege wars” as well as “blob wars”. So…. for anyone on BG to complain about that is disingenuous at best. And for anyone to call BG a PvE/PvX server is nowhere even close to accurate.

Right now, BG is the only tier 1 server. TC is tier 1.5, YB is tier 2. DB might be tier 2 as well, but beyond that, I’m not sure. What I do know is that the only server with tier 1 coverage is BG, because they’ve been superstacking for as long as superstacking has existed.

Xenesis.6389:

drcraig.9403:

Everyone one who isn’t on BG claims BG is too stacked. I play on BG and have to say more often than not the odds are very close. Stop the excuses and play better. Nobody was complaining when YB pvd’d their way into 1st place month after month. It isn’t BG / ET fault they have the best commanders and the best soldiers.

Almost choked on my drink while reading this. Obviously someone hasn’t played anywhere but on BG lol.

You like that one

Let’s face it, even without being linked to another server, BG, outside of hibergate mode, has the numbers and coverage atm to beat TC+link and YB+link.

BG has probably retained the largest playerbase in the game, and people will not leave BG. Why would they? They can take a week, a month, or a year off, come back and BG will still be T1.

Now if you linked TC with JQ and YB with DB you would probably get a good matchup, but that will never happen. About the only thing ANet can do that might be a good match would be unlinked BG v. TC+1 v. YB+2.

drcraig.9403:

XTR.9604:

When I left, if you tried to get in at 9pm, you were sitting in a 40+ man queue no matter which map you were trying to go to.

It really isn’t like that now, it’s simmered down.

Stale match-ups, guilds leaving because of queues, and lack of enemies to fight… Isn’t that why it’s simmered down now?

wow a lot more responses than i expected; to clear things up I never thought of population imbalance as being the culprit of the reason wvw is dying. I just thought that the addition of fortified keeps and players wanting to stay on them for long periods of time is the thing thats killing it. Staying focused on keeping a tower than defeating the enemy is not warlike enough. If i wanted to only destroy structures over a period of time I would have just played an RTS game.

of course population issues such as not having enough players is definitely a factor in how wvw goes, but im sure moving to another server thats more populated fixes that. Sorry for my bad grammar Im in a train and typing on my tablet is a chore

Nusku.3941:

Staying focused on keeping a tower than defeating the enemy is not warlike enough. If i wanted to only destroy structures over a period of time I would have just played an RTS game.

If the oppositions can make the game boring for you and your commanders, they are winning slowly because servers are weakened when their players stopped participating by either sitting out or transferring away.

Winning decisively is one way for a server to win because it demoralizes the oppositions.

Disengagement and playing defensively is a counter with the goal of making the winning server bored of frustration and quit.

An outnumbered server has no obligation to be played and served up as bags just because it is losing.

XTR.9604:

drcraig.9403:

Everyone one who isn’t on BG claims BG is too stacked. I play on BG and have to say more often than not the odds are very close. Stop the excuses and play better. Nobody was complaining when YB pvd’d their way into 1st place month after month. It isn’t BG / ET fault they have the best commanders and the best soldiers.

You’re silly. I was on BG and left because every map had 40+ man queue every day in NA prime. BG is over stacked. I am not even playing T1 anymore and I know this to be fact.

Actually a lot of people either left due to queues or don’t bother playing. The queues have drastically reduced and it’s rare to see more than 2 map with a short q outside of reset.

But yeah the queues were insane when they added in the reward tracks/alpine hype.

BG still probably most stacked out of T1 but it’s like dying everywhere again now that the new shiny shiny has worn off.

Fighting when constantly outnumbered is boring
Fighting when constantly outnumbering an opponent is boring
Winning by massive amounts each week is boring
Losing by massive amounts each week is boring
Fighting enemies who just siegebunker all day is boring
Fighting enemies who just blob all day is boring

Balance issues, problems with existing mechanics, stale matchups…these are the problems that drive people away from wvw. SEA/OCX players are bored because there is little to do when they are on. PPT focused players are losing morale because their servers are either getting rolled all week or winning by a massive amount to the point ppt becomes irrelevant very quickly, therefore there is little incentive to devote time to scouting, refreshing siege, etc etc outside your play time because it will just be taken over by a blob, or defending is not important for scores. Fights oriented players are bored fighting pug groups, getting stuck in queues, fighting enemies who wont engage open field and would rather sit on ac’s and bunker up.

Nusku.3941:

wow a lot more responses than i expected; to clear things up I never thought of population imbalance as being the culprit of the reason wvw is dying. I just thought that the addition of fortified keeps and players wanting to stay on them for long periods of time is the thing thats killing it. Staying focused on keeping a tower than defeating the enemy is not warlike enough. If i wanted to only destroy structures over a period of time I would have just played an RTS game.

of course population issues such as not having enough players is definitely a factor in how wvw goes, but im sure moving to another server thats more populated fixes that. Sorry for my bad grammar Im in a train and typing on my tablet is a chore

What you have to understand is there is NO other server anywhere near as populated as BG that is the issue. No one comes even remotely close enough. The tiers are all imbalanced because they do not have comparable populations at all.

They need to take into consideration how many hours are played every week by players, not just the number of players and when they actually play to really be able to balance WvW population. They should gauge population by hours played and when, and really rank/ standing shouldn’t be a part of it at all simply because some servers can queue multiple maps and make sure they try NOT to win and some servers can be outnumbered and still win a week. Their actual rank has more to do with wanting to win not how many people are playing.

Dude seriously though they should just do a kaboom and restart the whole server kitten again or just kittening introduc factions and call it a kittening day right now with the whole tier server bs game modes gonna keep dying

Nusku.3941:

wow a lot more responses than i expected; to clear things up I never thought of population imbalance as being the culprit of the reason wvw is dying.

Yeah and we’re telling you that’s the reason wvw is dying in t1. Less blobby and more fun fights are happening in the other tiers.

Have a feeling most of these players who don’t think stacked population on BG isn’t a problem haven’t played on any other servers. Right now BG is the only server that manages to get 4 maps queued on nights other than reset, almost every server will only get 1 map queued, usually ebg and in single digits.

That’s the difference in population, your server is overwhelming the other 2 in your tier, to the point that they don’t want to fight you and prefer to wait and try and bore you all to death.

Hiding in structures and using siege is nothing new, it’s been done since the beginning of the game, and usually being constantly overwhelmed or outnumbered will promote that.

BG hasn’t had 4 map q outside of reset for weeks now, they did have 4 map queue when the hype was real and servers just merged but so did TC, YB and a lot of other servers.

Not gonna say BG doesn’t have the most people, they probably do but it’s a lot deader than people think it is.

Xenesis.6389:

Nusku.3941:

wow a lot more responses than i expected; to clear things up I never thought of population imbalance as being the culprit of the reason wvw is dying.

Yeah and we’re telling you that’s the reason wvw is dying in t1. Less blobby and more fun fights are happening in the other tiers.

Have a feeling most of these players who don’t think stacked population on BG isn’t a problem haven’t played on any other servers. Right now BG is the only server that manages to get 4 maps queued on nights other than reset, almost every server will only get 1 map queued, usually ebg and in single digits.

That’s the difference in population, your server is overwhelming the other 2 in your tier, to the point that they don’t want to fight you and prefer to wait and try and bore you all to death.

Hiding in structures and using siege is nothing new, it’s been done since the beginning of the game, and usually being constantly overwhelmed or outnumbered will promote that.

Hopefully with enough responses, maybe Anet can finally figure out what exactly it is that the majority of players want. I hope with good fortune that they read some of your replies and appreciate bringing this up to attention. Glad to see people making an effort to speak out for WvW.

CrimeMaker.8612:

Dude seriously though they should just do a kaboom and restart the whole server kitten again or just kittening introduc factions and call it a kittening day right now with the whole tier server bs game modes gonna keep dying

I agree, though not nuke the servers just create new WvW servers in addition leaving the current ones in tact as PvE servers as to try and keep most happy and not make people rage that just prepaid their TS for a year. Allowing them to be able to create as many or as few as they need to mix the matchups up periodically.

fishball.7204:

BG hasn’t had 4 map q outside of reset for weeks now, they did have 4 map queue when the hype was real and servers just merged but so did TC, YB and a lot of other servers.

Not gonna say BG doesn’t have the most people, they probably do but it’s a lot deader than people think it is.

pretty sure YB had 1 queue the last 2 resets – maybe 2 very small ones, but not 3 or 4….. A militia heavy server has little reason to play when you know who wins and by how much 5 minutes into a match.

That said, I personally had a ton of fun holding Garry from both BG and TC, but you had to love it for the fight – the score wasn’t going to matter in the end. Unfortunately the score DOES matter with many people on all servers….

When we trounced t2 prior to coming to t1 (like BG is doing now), that was the most boring wvw ever. I barely played then other than dailies…..

antidote.7201:

Blame Onslaught [onS] and Tempest Wolves [TW] from Blackgate, those guilds are actually responsible of the bad state of NA’s wvws

I heard of those guilds. I saw messages on other forums with their nicknames. SA?

littlemunster.1059:

antidote.7201:

Blame Onslaught [onS] and Tempest Wolves [TW] from Blackgate, those guilds are actually responsible of the bad state of NA’s wvws

I heard of those guilds. I saw messages on other forums with their nicknames. SA?

Neither of those guilds have been on BG in over a year (TW came back for a few weeks months ago but left for JQ before going to TC) but some people still want to act like there is a conspiracy that BG is behind. Those guilds formed some kind of alliance with a couple of other guilds and are not interested in server ties, mostly to pursue their own interests.

Blaming everything on 2 guilds is a bit ridiculous, especially since OnS raids for only like 2 hours. And TW lol, well they do what they do, this is like the 6th server they have been on since I came to BG over a year and a half ago so don’t act surprised that they server hop for whatever reason. I personally like fighting these guilds so I don’t have a problem with them being on an opposing server, at least they don’t siege-bunker all day.

X T D.6458:

Blaming everything on 2 guilds is a bit ridiculous, especially since OnS raids for only like 2 hours. And TW lol, well they do what they do, this is like the 6th server they have been on since I came to BG over a year and a half ago so don’t act surprised that they server hop for whatever reason. I personally like fighting these guilds so I don’t have a problem with them being on an opposing server, at least they don’t siege-bunker all day.

No, it isn’t. OnS started the stupid “let’s jump on a server to stack it – thing”. You may correct me, but they were one, not the only one, reason that BG was so stacked in season 1 and still recruiting over the years". I’m not sure what happened on BG which made OnS starting to hate the rest of BG, but they, Mal in particular, tried to get another server to fight bg and beat them. They transfered a lot, they opened a guild for alts on others servers and they started recruiting for another stacked server.
Which worked pretty good on YB, because YB wanted to go into tier 1.
After realising that YB is not more of a karma train population then any other server around they needed to start over and a server that declined their idea before (TC) was the new target for the transfer and recruiting.

So, basically the statement was correct. The whole mess started because a few guilds started recruiting for “a better tier one” without even knowing how that could look like.
I really like what happened. Tier 1 is fine for me. BG rolls over the siege and karma trains from YB while TC with it’s new transfers is stuck in between while we on JQ have good fights against DB and FA without having to deal with tons of arrow carts.

to clarify: OnS isn’t a good or really active guild or something, but their recruiting is good and that’s the point here. People transfers when they think they can achieve things – like “killing the full stacked BG” or “winning the useless ppt game”

The bit that made me laugh in the OP’s post was this:

30 minutes go by and the cycle still continues, no progress made, and nothing gotten and nobody killed.

If you’re running around outside a tower for 30 minutes with zero progress you are obviously doing something wrong – like waving at the people inside, rather than trying different tactics.
Try splitting your forces, or sending a squad to drop a couple rams somewhere else, cap all the camps, generally force the enemy to have to come out to defend the other objectives.
Take a note of where there trebs are pointing and rush build one opposite , destroy it then clear all that pesky siege.
Have people running more supply so you can counter siege with ac, build catapults.
Rubbing your face for 30 minutes isn’t going to get the job done, this isn’t EoTM.

The bit that makes me laugh is that others are following in suit and not playing with blobgate. While T1 gets more boring by the blobbing, players from all sides are permanently leaving the game. Lol

I can’t wait until another highly anticipated MMO comes out and this farce comes to a grinding halt.

I can’t believe I am saying this, normally I HATE double teams. There for awhile, bg and tc were hitting us on yb pretty hard. While that seems to have stopped, it really only makes sense for yb and tc to hit bg together. Yes, I know won’t happen, but its the only way I can see T1 becoming even somewhat fun.

Makes me shake my head that ANET sees how bad it is, and does nothing to help. BG should of never been linked.

Its cool. I have a TON of other games to play, Mafia 3 is coming up soon, so I simply sit out WvW til things change. Let BG have it.

Try transferring to another server and be the one outnumbered for a change. After a few weeks you will quit the game. You will also find out how bad you actually play. Blobs mashing skill 1 is not skill whatsoever. Anet has no intention or real desire to fix WvW.

You guys give us too much credit. You can tell how blind you are when you blame the game state on 2 guilds when people have been transferring and moving for their own reasons since the game came out. We didn’t ruin NA. NA is isn’t ruined because Blackgate is stacked, nor did we stack Blackgate. Try to see outside your clouded views and realize the true issues with the game, which is beyond the control of the player base or 2 specific guilds playing during 1 time zone.

Problems are with the game.The origin of these problems were probably due to the tight budget or not the right guy for the job when the game mode was being dicussed/under development. More than likely a budget issue … What else is new, right?

Anyway we can point the index finger to just about anyone for taking advantange of these issues. Including ourselves for wanting to win and enjoy our time being spent. Feel free to disagree but deep down you know you also want to win.

Sadly … Pointing fingers does not contribute towards solving these issues. However the voting + dicussions are steps towards the right direction but still not quite what it should be. At least the developers are looking into WvW and they’re asking the community to look into it with them. Which I can only applaud. If anything the dev team should try to get a little more resources (money, people, hardware) to “fix” WvW.

Try to see outside your clouded views and realize the true issues with the game

It’s not Anet’s fault, neither the linking system, that failed.
I think we just try to explain what happenned to T1-NA servers (T2 also,but during a shorter period) , and what was the conditions that made it so much unbalanced and broken. Basically, for anyone who want to understand why :

They transfered a lot, they opened a guild for alts on others servers and they started recruiting for another stacked server.
Which worked pretty good on YB, because YB wanted to go into tier 1.
After realising that YB is not more of a karma train population then any other server around they needed to start over and a server that declined their idea before (TC) was the new target for the transfer and recruiting.

So, basically the statement was correct. The whole mess started because a few guilds started recruiting for “a better tier one” without even knowing how that could look like.

The problem was not only about 2 guilds, it was more about the tons of ppl that transfered during a short term period to a same server. But the precursors were those 2 guilds.

Overall I think its the long term goals in wvw that get to me. Wvw fights are fun, playing to win is not, have winners predetermined put players off, and getting into long match-ups with the same server gets stale. Re-linking should fix this stale issue of bland match-ups, since every 2 month we will get something new. What long term goals do players have for wvw? Get Diamond Legend? It would take me the amount of time comparable to the time I spent in ALL of the mmo’s I have bought to get to diamond legend in wvw. Get 250k kills? For roamers this will take a lot of time but a few wvw leaders have managed to get this. The Reward tracks tend to be weekly rewards but nothing really long term.

If you want fights leave the server. If you stay on BlobGate, you get what you deserve.

The only people who play on BlobGate are band wagoners who don’t like even fights. There is no skill in being a part of the biggest blob.

Anet has attempted to fix the issue by linking servers and due to human nature it has just perpetuated the problem.

You want it fixed?

D E S T A C K and SPREAD OUT!!! otherwise kitten and quit complaining…

Blackgate is in quite the peculiar position, it has pug blobs, raid guilds, havoc and roamers. This sounds like what a WvWvW server should be..until the rival servers have coverage gaps that start showing on the scoreboard and casual PPT players that make up the bulk of WvWvW forces give up and the server that has people showing up to fight is suddenly the problem, leaving a lot of salty people in its wake.

I think people are overestimating BG’s population, other than reset, it’s been weeks since all four maps have had queues. Boring BG to death won’t do much good, they too will play other games and the next update, they’ll be back out in force (especially now since alt accounts are common). Remember when YB was winning because BG couldn’t be bothered to counter the way they played? Nobody “wins” and it’s hardly a solution.

A major issue I think is the completely unnecessary AJing (on various scales). I roam on BG and TC and I’m not going to single out BG for it because other servers tend to do it when they can but when you’re the most populous server, how you play has more impact. TC and YB aren’t taking the week, so I have no solutions for the PPT minded nor do I care to find one at almost 4 years in. To the folks who like a good brawl, the obnoxious additions to the game have only exacerbated the “win at all costs” attitudes that always pop up in any activity with a scoreboard but players have enough agency to not make fights eye rolling kittenfests. Check the part you’ve played in it.