Guild Wars 2

Thank you for killing small man, roaming and havok while at the same time turning the Borderlands into EoTM. I’m crying on the inside.

TLDR – the changes are kitten, anet really knows how to kill medium to low pop servers.

why would you do a TLDR for a one-sentence post

They want you to transfer so they can make more $$$.

That or they have no idea WTF they are doing in terms of how to balance WvWvW for smaller realms.

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

They want you to transfer so they can make more $$$.

That or they have no idea WTF they are doing in terms of how to balance WvWvW for smaller realms.

How can people transfer when BG/JQ/YB/TC are locked. And FA and SOS are getting filled up.

You always were a cry baby. Kicking people from your guild and not fessing up.

How about this… complain about population issues a week from now when all of the new PVE stuff isn’t so shiny?

seanshine.8791:

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

They want you to transfer so they can make more $$$.

That or they have no idea WTF they are doing in terms of how to balance WvWvW for smaller realms.

How can people transfer when BG/JQ/YB/TC are locked. And FA and SOS are getting filled up.

That is only 6 of the 24 servers and most of them are way overful and wont be open for a long time

qualm like a bomb.6512:

Thank you for killing small man, roaming and havok while at the same time turning the Borderlands into EoTM. I’m crying on the inside.

TLDR – the changes are kitten, anet really knows how to kill medium to low pop servers.

The drama is strong with this one.

Tons of new PvE content with HoT. The Halloween event. Guaranteed WvW doesn’t pick up full steam again until 2 weeks from now. Chill.

Played 4 hours with a 2 or 3 man team, we were taking stuff left right and centre. Only the biggies needed a larger team. Can’t wait for the love of gliding to wear thin, and our WvW crew to return and repopulate our BLs

I will not make any transfer but change other game.¬

Great we have now a new EOTM……

BUT wtff..did they keep the golems…lol..takes 4 hours to complete new borders in a golem ahahhahahahaha

BrickFurious.7169:

qualm like a bomb.6512:

Thank you for killing small man, roaming and havok while at the same time turning the Borderlands into EoTM. I’m crying on the inside.

TLDR – the changes are kitten, anet really knows how to kill medium to low pop servers.

The drama is strong with this one.

Tons of new PvE content with HoT. The Halloween event. Guaranteed WvW doesn’t pick up full steam again until 2 weeks from now. Chill.

Pick up “steam”? Lol. Oh man, that’s a good one!

Wait…wait…you were serious? Wow. Ok. Let me ‘splain: most servers have no “steam”. Tier 3 and below will be ghost towns. At my tier, a zerg of 20 was considered huge. 20 characters in this new BL can totally hide and be hidden from. It’s ridiculous.

Meh, most people i know are simply grinding the new maps for masteries and hero points. Give it some time and they will flock back to WvW.

Oh gosh stop the chicken little stuff.

Reset isn’t even until later today. People are likely not playing because of reasons mentioned already in this thread, or the fact that the current matchup doesn’t count for squat.

Wait isn’t EoTM full of people but title says BL are dead? I’m so confused..

Hey its empty for me too.. That’s why I’m going to wait a bit and see since I’m sure everyone is in the jungle.. I’ve been in the jungle more myself.. I followed the story since day one and right now I’m sucked into this new story.

I kind of thought this would happen since I’m in a lower tier but I’m going to wait a bit as I hope once people complete story and get what they need for elites they will be back. Only time will tell.

Genavelle.9516:

why would you do a TLDR for a one-sentence post

I blame Twitter

The maps are too big. They should have kept the alpine borderlands and had just one instance of desert and replace EB. As it is in tier 7 its a total ghost town. I roamed for 1hr on release day and didn’t see a soul.

If they want to keep this map then it should become the new EB instead.

Not spent much time on it myself but I’ve heard mixed reviews.

Argos Helios.4965:

The maps are too big. They should have kept the alpine borderlands and had just one instance of desert and replace EB. As it is in tier 7 its a total ghost town. I roamed for 1hr on release day and didn’t see a soul.

i actually do find ppl here considering the reasons ppl stay away atm : HoT / laybrinth.. i do see more then i expected

It’s been like three days since release. The majority of players are not in WvW so the maps are not at full capacity. I ran around with a small group the other day and had a lot of fun 10 vs 10 fights in the middle of the map.

So… it wouldn’t be empty because there is and EXPANSION going on or anything, would it?

Trajan.4953:

So… it wouldn’t be empty because there is and EXPANSION going on or anything, would it?

Apparently not because there doesn’t seem to be a lot of people in the expansion content either.

When I look at the roster for my WvW guild I see that everyone is either in one of the new HoT PvE maps or the Mad Kings Labyrinthe.
It’s going to be 2-4 weeks before you can make any kind of assessment.
You will probably also find that most people will stay on EB unless there is a tag on the border to guide them around because they are too lazy to look around by themselves.

Okay I’m going to have to call bullkitten on the “people are jut more interested in the expansion content” theory. The only thing I do in the game is WvW and PvP, I have no interest in the new PvE content, and I’m not on the new bl because it sucks kitten .

Yesterday I logged onto my accounts to get the daily reward and logged back off. I couldn’t even find the motivation to log on for reset because the idea of running around that crappy PvE map was revolting. The majority of my friends and guildies are doing the same. We might get a few PvP matches done and just call it a night because they have successfully sucked the fun out of our favorite game mode.

The expansion kind of killing wvw for me.. and wvw was really why I still play this game..
The new BL are too big, with too many stupid mini games like capping altars for buffs..
The keeps are way too big as well, I do not know what the point of having keeps that massive in size…
The auto upgrade is HORRIBLE. There is literally no more reasons to defend keeps since you get all the upgrades for free now… At least make SOME of the upgrades manual…
Also no way points on stuff like Bay and Hills and at the same perma way points at EBG keep and Garri.. again.. makes defending those keeps straight up pointless…

Honestly.. terrible work all around. I regret ever spending 127$ (Canadian) for this… At this point I am considering moving to a different game…

Sunday evening and only a few people play WvWvW. On gold server. Even EB are virtually empty. ArenaNet, if you want to prevent the exodus of WvW players please switch back to the original borderlands ASAP.

Hold up Darwinia – it’s entirely possible people are playing the expansion story line to get the hero points for elite and/or just something different to do.

If it’s still dead by next weekend then maybe there’s an issue to look at. Currently i’ve spent all my time in the new stuff and not a lot in the BL’s because… well, it’s quiet, the new stuff is … new and needs exploring – and right now seems ideal as it’s quiet!

LOL wvw maps are kinda empty becouse everyone is trying to farm the elite spec with the silly hero point system in pve/eotm. Plus halloween events.
Which kind of exodus are you talking about..

My initial reaction to the new bl after a few days…
How, how?! Did Anet manage to make me feel claustrophobic in so much wasted space? Seriously, what the kitten?!
edit: In regards to the original post… I don’t see havok/roaming dying on the new bl; I see it thriving. There will be so many people so hopelessly lost for a long time. Sounds like easy prey to me.

Even if there were plenty of people playing, the maps are so big you would hardly ever meet.
2 zergs could miss each other even if they are in the same keep.

I’m part of a WvW guild, and yes, we’re all either…

1. Experiencing the new maps (for those of us who can or like pve).
2. Farming in the new maps, or farming EotM for elite specs
3. sPvP (trying out every new elite spec)
4. earning our guild hall (yesterday)

Despite the fact that WvW was the only thing any of us did prior to Friday, none of us have even touched the new BL maps. I think we’re going to have to give this a week or two before we can say that the new WvW maps are dead. Not to mention, we still have EB.

many people are playing the expansion, i mean, why are u playing wvw when the long awaited expansion finally is out. of course many will be spending time playing the stories and flying around the place

So I just checked all 3 Borderland maps… my server, Yak’s Bend, has the outmanned buff on each one yet we currently hold the highest PPT across all BLs. What does that tell you? In fact, there’s only one commander tag to be found and he’s on EBG. Consider that this is a T1 server on a Sunday afternoon.

RIP WvW.

It’s mind boggling how Anet could’ve done this. The alpine maps were just about perfect, with plenty of nuance and dynamic PPT gameplay, as well as easily accessible open space to encourage large (or small) scale fighting. In fact, about all I would have changed would be to bring back the lake.

Now we have something ugly and chaotic, seemingly designed by an intern. I mean, how can something feel so big yet cramped at the same time?

Any new BL map should have been based closely on the classic BL with all its subtleties and dynamics. But alas, that would’ve taken someone at Anet actually spending enough time in WvW to understand it fully…

Genavelle.9516:

why would you do a TLDR for a one-sentence post

He’s been in the new borderlands…after a while the emptiness gets to you…..

Ironvos.9014:

Even if there were plenty of people playing, the maps are so big you would hardly ever meet.
2 zergs could miss each other even if they are in the same keep.

I saw that happen today. Mainly because once inside the keep, nobody knew how to get to the lord before it capped. Which is really kitten irritating. Shouldn’t the defenders of the home bl have quicker access to the lord’s room than the attackers? We just happened to catch the tail of the zerg as they were leaving in another direction, which again, we didn’t know how to get to even though we could see them.

Its dead indeed, how could they do this? Im disappointed so much like never before! WvW was the best and all ruined!

Give it some time, i know people who hadnt even finished their story line who now have to get 250 hp on 8 or 9 chars….going to take them a bit

seanshine.8791:

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

They want you to transfer so they can make more $$$.

That or they have no idea WTF they are doing in terms of how to balance WvWvW for smaller realms.

How can people transfer when BG/JQ/YB/TC are locked. And FA and SOS are getting filled up.

What if anet made them not full?
Since 2 days ago the only full server is JQ.
BG is open
TC is open
YB id open
Now i guess you can see ANETs master plan

Evryone say that players are in pve…. and thas why no one is on wvw. lol well the most of players are in pve yes people like me are there because wvw borderland is so ugly… some stuff i like the sands and the mist but the confused portals , laser events, pve at every step is so ugly. I was hoping that Anet will bring gliding in wvw too… well seems not, i was hoping that they will bring a way for to vote on upgrade of a keep or tower ..you know that felling when a kitten is ordering a upgrade when is not the time…… i was hoping that Anet was making in such a way that claimingva keep or tower without buffs to not be posibile….. A loooot of cool ideeas that was making the gameplay more interesant… .and they bring a startrek design on a world age where war is with swords and hammer others fight with lasers and golems with rockets.
I will play pve for a couple of weeks but if they dont want to accept thatbthe new border sucks im leaving the game. As evryone say a game with potential but delude… they come to 90% and they ruin all at last 10%.

The Desert Borderlands have me torn. I like the fact that the map is new and the developers have obviously put much effort into its design. However, I can’t help but feel that it’s a step in the wrong direction for two reasons:

1) ArenaNet don’t seem to have taken into account the fact that some servers have population issues. While I understand that most people are playing through PvE/Halloween content (myself included), I don’t foresee there being a massive improvement in the weeks/months to come because population was already becoming a problem for some servers on the Alpine Borderlands. It feels as if the new map was designed with high-population servers in mind, ignoring the fact that it will feel deserted on lower population servers. War zones shouldn’t be deserted.

2) The map is too difficult to navigate. While its verticality in some places adds an interesting element, I can’t help but feel that the jumping pads, bridges, traps, mobs and a few other elements are unnecessary distractions.

If the developers plan to stick with the Desert Borderlands in their current form, they will need to investigate the likes of inter-server “alliances” to address the issue of some servers not having the numbers to populate the new maps. That, and perhaps reducing the number of map copies from 3 to 1.

The thing is, ANET was clearly informed of the issues with the new map very early on in the beta process. Not only that, many of the WvW guilds that were invited to the beta became so frustrated with its design and concept, that they stopped playing it all together because it wasn’t fun.

The art work is beautiful, but clearly someone in a position of power at ANET made the decision to push ahead with the work that was already completed instead of listening to their target customers providing feedback. This was just another mistake in a long line of many when it comes to WvW… like lack of support in general that has driven entire guilds (and their PvE / sPvP players) away from the game.

1. Too much vertical shift

2. Too large, convoluted, and confusing

3. Too many gimmicky mechanics

4. Too many PvE elements.

They were clearly informed of this from day 1 of giving players beta access. They chose to ignore it.

I’ve played about 30 min in wvw on jq and at the moment I’m not really a fan of the new map and going to play pve only in the next weeks. Sure, the design and some game mechanics are beautiful, but in the end I felt lost, confused and alone there. On the other side it’s so easy to get your crafting materials and the Lords don’t melt so easy anymore. Personally I thinks it was a bad idea to replace all three borderlands with this gigantic map, not now, not right after the release, where everybody wanted to see the new content and farming their new elite traits. Ebg would have been good enough, until more people will play wvw again.
My personal disappointment was when I’ve learnt that I can’t use my gliders in the wvw map. Yeah, I know, too much abuse potential, but the architecture of the map is perfect for gliding and I hate it to die from falling from this stupid and tight stairs.

I don’t see the problem. Out of curiostiy, how many of you solo roam or roam with small groups? I’ve always led a small group and so far, we all enjoy this new map. Is it safe for me to assume that most people who hates this new maps are Zergers?!

1) I take vertical shifts to my advantage to jump people.

2) Too large.. that’s true, but not confusing. I spent two hours roaming and knowing the entire map inside out solo. I do miss the simplicity of the old map, but this one is nice as well. The large map, I presume, ultimate goal was to encourage us to split the large zergs into smaller groups.

Simon.3106:

I don’t see the problem. Out of curiostiy, how many of you solo roam or roam with small groups? I’ve always led a small group and so far, we all enjoy this new map. Is it safe for me to assume that most people who hates this new maps are Zergers?!

1) I take vertical shifts to my advantage to jump people.

2) Too large.. that’s true, but not confusing. I spent two hours roaming and knowing the entire map inside out solo. I do miss the simplicity of the old map, but this one is nice as well. The large map, I presume, ultimate goal was to encourage us to split the large zergs into smaller groups.

The map/mechanics have ruined roaming for me. Auto upgrades removes incentive for people to defend anything. Supply doesn’t matter so people will just sit on walls instead of fighting me for camps. The increased supply cost of G catas, the lack of +5, and everything being fortified makes solo capping things a pain in the kitten . The barricades that zergs can brush aside force roamers to take the long way around to get to anything. The gimmicky PvE mechanics discourage fighting anywhere near the keeps.
The lack of WP’s keeps people from responding to attacks on the southern part of the map, if you do actually run into someone and kill them they never bother coming back. They are actually more rewarded for back capping stuff than they are for defending. They aren’t losing wp’s, the wp’s that you get are given to you immediately instead of at T3, and they aren’t investing any time or effort into the upgrades.

Argos Helios.4965:

The maps are too big. They should have kept the alpine borderlands and had just one instance of desert and replace EB. As it is in tier 7 its a total ghost town. I roamed for 1hr on release day and didn’t see a soul.

I wonder if this had anything to do with people checking out the new PvE zones….

But hey, keep trying to use this for your “to big” argument.

I feel its worth a revisit to see how them predictions turned out.

Skeletor.9360:

I feel its worth a revisit to see how them predictions turned out.

Give it time, people are just busy with the halloween event…. oh wait…

People are currently saving strength for Raids so no time for wvw.

Then its Christmas events returning.

And before you know it, its spring, messing up the wvw again.

So, shiny new maps for wvw- no draw to them, everyone playing pve.

Three weeks (or whatever) later, and population in those lovely shiny new maps on most servers still tiny.

Most players have limited time and want some action, not wondering around pvd or just wandering around doing nothing useful for rubbish rewards. If they want pvd they can go EoTM, although that has more action now than most BL…

Now if only they had reward tracks in wvw, be able to use autoloot (I wonder which bright spark came up with ‘nah, they don’t need it in wvw, dying and seeing all those loot bags makes it more fun for them’, using the new skills and being able to glide, etc.

New BL map feels more like something that was a concept map in the early stages of development for the jungle maps or a missed map after SW rather than something designed by wvw types for wvw players.

Devon thinks rewards are fine in wvw (obviously based on t1 feedback or EoTM). I got 10 times as much loot standing in a jungle map and 100 times the experience compared to anything I can get in wvw.

I totally agree with you that the rewards are poor in WvW. I do not agree with Devon either. I do not feel he gave a very good explanation either.

To me, it seems a little odd that so many posters are complaining that they do not go to the maps because no one else is there Isn’t that a bit of “self fulfilling prophecy” syndrome going on there?