I dont see anything wrong people dueling on wvw, but if happens to get blobbed they cant complain, sameif blob( cluster of bad players relying in AOE most of the times) finds the duelers cant complain either.
1st April joke, when gw2 receives a “balance” update.
To those screaming “Duel in guild hall, eotm or OS” – I have bad news for you. I don’t know ANY of the people I am dueling ever lmao. We usually just run in to each other, bow and go. We don’t just have a community of duelers looking for duels, its usually people solo roaming who run into another solo roamer.
Thats leads my question. Do you prefer duelling in the open field in WvW or would you prefer duelling in PvP? Your opponent gets chosen similar to normal conquest/stronghold, the map is designed for duels, you get opponents from all worlds including your own, the armor/weapons are independent of your gold account, nobody can disturb you, etc.
WvW for sure.
PvP builds are very limited, there isn’t a whole lot of build diversity there and the armor spec is way different. In WvW, I can mismatch my gear, build for more of certain thing or build for more balance than PvP can offer.
Since they dropped Celestial amulet from PvP, I rarely go back. They should have just nurfed it a little bit, not removed it all together.
Okay those people aren’t duelers, they’re roamers. Someone dueling is bowing at an enemy, receiving a bow back from the enemy initiating the fight then fighting them 1v1. Not ganking, that is a roamer thing lol.
And how the heck is a third player supposed to know that the 1v1 he encountered started with two courteous bows, lol?
Personally I dont even find it a problem. Quite the contrary, its more fun when it happens. If the duel was mutual, the duelist that got a +1 will surely disengage. If he does not he’s not honorable enough to even be called a duelist, so the point is moot. The +1 will then probably get roflstomped because he’s in no way built to win against a duelist. If said duelist dies… well sucks to be him, he failed.
I think its pretty simple, if you just see 2 people fighting – leave them alone lol. Pretty easy.
Nope. If one of them is from my server, I will move in to support my ally. I might need him to help me take a camp or man some siege. If neither are from my server, I’ll make sure the survivor doesn’t walk away, if I can’t take them both out at once with a well-placed Gunflame.
I have some bad news for you that you don’t want to hear. If you aren’t able to solo a camp, you’re not good at the game.
If there is 1 person fighting 1 other person – let it be. Don’t interfere, more likely than not, that person you “helped” is going to be LESS likely to help you take a camp or man siege if you interfere in their 1v1, they may even troll you for it. Thats what I would do.
And it figures you’re a gunflame warrior who relies on that to kill stuff lol. Further proof from my first statement in the post. I’d love to fight you on my ele, you can gunflame me all day and I can “/laugh” when you end up putting yourself in down state.
Okay those people aren’t duelers, they’re roamers. Someone dueling is bowing at an enemy, receiving a bow back from the enemy initiating the fight then fighting them 1v1. Not ganking, that is a roamer thing lol.
And how the heck is a third player supposed to know that the 1v1 he encountered started with two courteous bows, lol?
Personally I dont even find it a problem. Quite the contrary, its more fun when it happens. If the duel was mutual, the duelist that got a +1 will surely disengage. If he does not he’s not honorable enough to even be called a duelist, so the point is moot. The +1 will then probably get roflstomped because he’s in no way built to win against a duelist. If said duelist dies… well sucks to be him, he failed.
I think its pretty simple, if you just see 2 people fighting – leave them alone lol. Pretty easy.
Nope. If one of them is from my server, I will move in to support my ally. I might need him to help me take a camp or man some siege. If neither are from my server, I’ll make sure the survivor doesn’t walk away, if I can’t take them both out at once with a well-placed Gunflame.
I have some bad news for you that you don’t want to hear. If you aren’t able to solo a camp, you’re not good at the game.
If there is 1 person fighting 1 other person – let it be. Don’t interfere, more likely than not, that person you “helped” is going to be LESS likely to help you take a camp or man siege if you interfere in their 1v1, they may even troll you for it. Thats what I would do.
And it figures you’re a gunflame warrior who relies on that to kill stuff lol. Further proof from my first statement in the post. I’d love to fight you on my ele, you can gunflame me all day and I can “/laugh” when you end up putting yourself in down state.
There’s a chance the camp has a defender, though. And two people clear the camp faster than one. And… there’s this really neat anti-reflect trick for running axe+shield as a complement to my gunflame. Too bad the game only lets projectiles reflect twice. I love pong!
And, as someone bad at the game, I often find myself in 1-vs-1 situations where I would very much like to have help from any nearby roamers.
Yeah if you can swap to axe/shield in the time it takes that projectile to bounce back in your face, that is certainly impressive. But I highly doubt it would ever happen lol.
I bet you would like to have help in 1v1 situations because you’re bad at the game and can’t fight for yourself lol.
Just how I feel as a roamer and person who loves doing uninterrupted 1v1s. People like this person are the people who irritate me and most other people who are enjoying their fights. I usually end up having to stop a fight, let the person I am dueling kill the person who jumped in or end up chewing out the person who jumped in if they managed to kill the person I was fighting.
Just how I feel as a roamer and person who loves doing uninterrupted 1v1s. People like this person are the people who irritate me and most other people who are enjoying their fights. I usually end up having to stop a fight, let the person I am dueling kill the person who jumped in or end up chewing out the person who jumped in if they managed to kill the person I was fighting.
Why are you chewing anyone out? As much as you dislike someone interrupting your duels, it’s important to get respect, you first have to give it. Most duellers know this and are left unmolested.
If you’re yelling at people for interrupting your duels, you’re just as guilty as the people in this thread demanding duellers stop taking up queue space.
Why are you chewing anyone out? As much as you dislike someone interrupting your duels, it’s important to get respect, you first have to give it. Most duellers know this and are left unmolested.
If you’re yelling at people for interrupting your duels, you’re just as guilty as the people in this thread demanding duellers stop taking up queue space.
Like I said before, it is very simple – if you see 2 people fighting 1v1, leave them be. This game is nearly 4 years old, if people don’t understand such a basic concept in WvW, they either shouldn’t be there or should be taught.
Why are you chewing anyone out? As much as you dislike someone interrupting your duels, it’s important to get respect, you first have to give it. Most duellers know this and are left unmolested.
If you’re yelling at people for interrupting your duels, you’re just as guilty as the people in this thread demanding duellers stop taking up queue space.
Like I said before, it is very simple – if you see 2 people fighting 1v1, leave them be. This game is nearly 4 years old, if people don’t understand such a basic concept in WvW, they either shouldn’t be there or should be taught.
I have no problem teaching people.
Yes but your attitude about it is probably one of the reasons for the acrimony.
You demanding people play your way is equal to them demanding you blob or get out.
No wonder there’s erosion.
Be respectful. You’ll find you’ll get it in return.
“Learned a thing”? Like really can you not sound like such a giant prick? 1v1s aren’t sacred in WvW so get over yourself. Others in this thread have made a strong case for dueling and solo work while you continue to just tear down their arguments by showing how selfish you are.
To those screaming “Duel in guild hall, eotm or OS” – I have bad news for you. I don’t know ANY of the people I am dueling ever lmao. We usually just run in to each other, bow and go. We don’t just have a community of duelers looking for duels, its usually people solo roaming who run into another solo roamer.
Thats leads my question. Do you prefer duelling in the open field in WvW or would you prefer duelling in PvP? Your opponent gets chosen similar to normal conquest/stronghold, the map is designed for duels, you get opponents from all worlds including your own, the armor/weapons are independent of your gold account, nobody can disturb you, etc.
WvW for sure.
PvP builds are very limited, there isn’t a whole lot of build diversity there and the armor spec is way different. In WvW, I can mismatch my gear, build for more of certain thing or build for more balance than PvP can offer.
Since they dropped Celestial amulet from PvP, I rarely go back. They should have just nurfed it a little bit, not removed it all together.
I think the celestial amulet is a good example why I disagree with you. The celestial amulet was removed from PvP because it led to imbalance between the builds. There is no such control in WvW. A victory in a duel has hence no meaning. You won, great! I can also run faster than a little child.
Now you left PvP because you cannot use the celestial amulet. In other words: I am not OP anymore, I will not play anymore. Learn other builds, other classes. That would be an example of your skill.
To those screaming “Duel in guild hall, eotm or OS” – I have bad news for you. I don’t know ANY of the people I am dueling ever lmao. We usually just run in to each other, bow and go. We don’t just have a community of duelers looking for duels, its usually people solo roaming who run into another solo roamer.
Thats leads my question. Do you prefer duelling in the open field in WvW or would you prefer duelling in PvP? Your opponent gets chosen similar to normal conquest/stronghold, the map is designed for duels, you get opponents from all worlds including your own, the armor/weapons are independent of your gold account, nobody can disturb you, etc.
WvW for sure.
PvP builds are very limited, there isn’t a whole lot of build diversity there and the armor spec is way different. In WvW, I can mismatch my gear, build for more of certain thing or build for more balance than PvP can offer.
Since they dropped Celestial amulet from PvP, I rarely go back. They should have just nurfed it a little bit, not removed it all together.
I think the celestial amulet is a good example why I disagree with you. The celestial amulet was removed from PvP because it led to imbalance between the builds. There is no such control in WvW. A victory in a duel has hence no meaning. You won, great! I can also run faster than a little child.
Now you left PvP because you cannot use the celestial amulet. In other words: I am not OP anymore, I will not play anymore. Learn other builds, other classes. That would be an example of your skill.
I know you will flame me now. I dont care!
Just gonna chime in here with a point that is often overlooked, I am a theorycrafter and enjoy it a lot, done it for both guilds and for myself when solo roaming and spvp. Thats why i like the gear system as it is in wvw, because more options for customisation means I can create larger varieties of builds that players who just copy and paste builds off the internet will suffer against.
When it comes to solo roaming, one of the most enjoyable aspects of it is theorycrafting the most OP, unorthodox and unheard of build I can squeeze out of the combat system utilising all sorts of tricks with weird foods and runes etc.
However, im also well aware that this can often be the reason for an overwhelming winrate in 1v1s along with there being no matchmaking meaning you often fight people not experienced enough in the game so I actively go looking for 1vx’s as the challenge.
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Officer of [DEX] Deus Ex Machina Eu and [Fus] Fus Ro Dâh
Ruins of Surmia
However, im also well aware that this can often be the reason for an overwhelming winrate in 1v1s along with there being no matchmaking meaning you often fight people not experienced enough in the game so I actively go looking for 1vx’s as the challenge.
And there we have an entirely different setup. You allow others to join your fight or better to say, you seek for 1 vs. 2, 3. You will not start flaming me for “interrupting” your duel. You probably go to an area controlled by the opponent and start flipping sentry points/camps. The major difference is that you are looking for a challenge (as you said) and not a “fair” duel. Im personally fine with this behaviour.
To those screaming “Duel in guild hall, eotm or OS” – I have bad news for you. I don’t know ANY of the people I am dueling ever lmao. We usually just run in to each other, bow and go. We don’t just have a community of duelers looking for duels, its usually people solo roaming who run into another solo roamer.
Thats leads my question. Do you prefer duelling in the open field in WvW or would you prefer duelling in PvP? Your opponent gets chosen similar to normal conquest/stronghold, the map is designed for duels, you get opponents from all worlds including your own, the armor/weapons are independent of your gold account, nobody can disturb you, etc.
WvW for sure.
PvP builds are very limited, there isn’t a whole lot of build diversity there and the armor spec is way different. In WvW, I can mismatch my gear, build for more of certain thing or build for more balance than PvP can offer.
Since they dropped Celestial amulet from PvP, I rarely go back. They should have just nurfed it a little bit, not removed it all together.
I think the celestial amulet is a good example why I disagree with you. The celestial amulet was removed from PvP because it led to imbalance between the builds. There is no such control in WvW. A victory in a duel has hence no meaning. You won, great! I can also run faster than a little child.
Now you left PvP because you cannot use the celestial amulet. In other words: I am not OP anymore, I will not play anymore. Learn other builds, other classes. That would be an example of your skill.
I know you will flame me now. I dont care!
Say what you want, I played cele ele for quite awhile and in PvP it wasn’t rare to see a cele ele get beat up by a revenant. Pre-diamond skin nurf, it was nearly unkillable, but after that it would die to condi necros pretty easily still.
However, im also well aware that this can often be the reason for an overwhelming winrate in 1v1s along with there being no matchmaking meaning you often fight people not experienced enough in the game so I actively go looking for 1vx’s as the challenge.
And there we have an entirely different setup. You allow others to join your fight or better to say, you seek for 1 vs. 2, 3. You will not start flaming me for “interrupting” your duel. You probably go to an area controlled by the opponent and start flipping sentry points/camps. The major difference is that you are looking for a challenge (as you said) and not a “fair” duel. Im personally fine with this behaviour.
To clarify:
Solo roaming and dueling are two very different things. While roaming, yes I welcome the enemy adding onto fights i find myself in. However, if an ally steps into my existing even numbered fight I will walk away to leave him for dead.
Also most importantly, if someone were to interfere in an agreed duel I have no respect for them whatsoever. (I personally dont enjoy duels myself, theyre too static for me I prefer the chaos of open world and using terrain to get the jump on 2/3 people but I most definitely respect others’ duels and as a personal rule will not interfere in even-numbered fights). If you stumble upon an agreed duel, have the decency and honor to walk on.
Other scenarios are that if an ally runs to me for help when being chased I will give the enemy a couple of warning autoattack shots, let him heal up to full and fight him myself, if the ally then tries to +1 into it being a 2v1 I will leave him for dead.
Basically for me the issue lies in the actions of allies.
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Officer of [DEX] Deus Ex Machina Eu and [Fus] Fus Ro Dâh
Ruins of Surmia
please show me in writing, officially stating that wvw is not a place to have duels. people paid money for this game and they have every right to do what they like, that includes dueling in wvw.
/endthread
plz
I wish people would remember this logic when they make the next “stop interrupting my duels!” thread…
thats the thing though, no dueler/roamer makes there’s threads. its only the karma trainer or zerglings that create such topics
lulwut? People make posts crying about people interrupting their duels all the time.
Like I said before, it is very simple – if you see 2 people fighting 1v1, leave them be. This game is nearly 4 years old, if people don’t understand such a basic concept in WvW, they either shouldn’t be there or should be taught.
Basically for me the issue lies in the actions of allies.
No it doesn’t. It’s wvw and you are demoralising people by doing it out in the open while people try to defend keeps etc.
Duleers also do it out in the open for attention, which also shows your motivations. You have no respect at all from anyone on the server playing wvw. Sometimes there are people queing in to help in wvw. You have an extremely distorted view of your own importance.
please show me in writing, officially stating that wvw is not a place to have duels. people paid money for this game and they have every right to do what they like, that includes dueling in wvw.
/endthread
plz
I wish people would remember this logic when they make the next “stop interrupting my duels!” thread…
thats the thing though, no dueler/roamer makes there’s threads. its only the karma trainer or zerglings that create such topics
lulwut? People make posts crying about people interrupting their duels all the time.
Like I said before, it is very simple – if you see 2 people fighting 1v1, leave them be. This game is nearly 4 years old, if people don’t understand such a basic concept in WvW, they either shouldn’t be there or should be taught.
I have no problem teaching people.
He still didn’t start the thread, just made a post replying to someone else…. come on dude.
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Basically for me the issue lies in the actions of allies.
No it doesn’t. It’s wvw and you are demoralising people by doing it out in the open while people try to defend keeps etc.
Duleers also do it out in the open for attention, which also shows your motivations. You have no respect at all from anyone on the server playing wvw. Sometimes there are people queing in to help in wvw. You have an extremely distorted view of your own importance.
Demoralising people by doing what out in the open exactly? Fighting? Lol ! I guess in your perfect world everyone would either be sitting on arrowcarts or following the monoblob.
I don’t concern myself with what opinions cowards have of me, only the reputation I hold amongst honourable, strong fighters and zergbusters.
As for having a distorted view of my own importance, I don’t get how that is possible when I do not care for PPT whatsoever, haven’t done so since zergbusting got brought to bronze those many years ago.
It’s a complex sense of honor and unofficial rules of engagement I know, but it is far from a uncommon thing and I hold a lot of pride for it.
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Officer of [DEX] Deus Ex Machina Eu and [Fus] Fus Ro Dâh
Ruins of Surmia
Josh, Dude you do not have any right to duel. I can, as a free roamer, interrupt your duel any time I want. Only reason that duellers have the chance is out of pure respect and kindness of both parties, that is all. So being kinder, and respectful will bring so much into the table, while acting like a crazed pickle would bugger things down. Hence " the attitude".
For this beautiful information you can call me atti-dude. You know, for being an informative dude.
Also most importantly, if someone were to interfere in an agreed duel I have no respect for them whatsoever. (I personally dont enjoy duels myself, theyre too static for me I prefer the chaos of open world and using terrain to get the jump on 2/3 people but I most definitely respect others’ duels and as a personal rule will not interfere in even-numbered fights). If you stumble upon an agreed duel, have the decency and honor to walk on.
I will not discuss your solo roaming further since the topic is duelling. The problem is the word “agreed”. Yes, when someone duels and just duels, I dont care (although i dont like it). However, is the person between my keep and sm waiting for a duel or a dolyak? Did the two players fighting next to the pathway or in front of our bay agree to fight each other or not? Of course I can ask. But do I have the time for it? There duels become annoying. Hence, I voice for a duel-area. I would be less annoyed by duellers, the duellers less by interruptions.
Also most importantly, if someone were to interfere in an agreed duel I have no respect for them whatsoever. (I personally dont enjoy duels myself, theyre too static for me I prefer the chaos of open world and using terrain to get the jump on 2/3 people but I most definitely respect others’ duels and as a personal rule will not interfere in even-numbered fights). If you stumble upon an agreed duel, have the decency and honor to walk on.
I will not discuss your solo roaming further since the topic is duelling. The problem is the word “agreed”. Yes, when someone duels and just duels, I dont care (although i dont like it). However, is the person between my keep and sm waiting for a duel or a dolyak? Did the two players fighting next to the pathway or in front of our bay agree to fight each other or not? Of course I can ask. But do I have the time for it? There duels become annoying. Hence, I voice for a duel-area. I would be less annoyed by duellers, the duellers less by interruptions.
I really don’t understand what the problem is. I can accept people interupting duels because kitten happens. But the excuse is that if it’s near a sm or a path is kinda lame tbh. A lot of the people who say fo to spvp or out of the way places to duel with in wvw would the first to cry when there is no 1 left to scout (talking about bl roamers/duelers) ebg is different.
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Demoralising people by doing what out in the open exactly? Fighting? Lol ! I guess in your perfect world everyone would either be sitting on arrowcarts or following the monoblob.
I don’t concern myself with what opinions cowards have of me, only the reputation I hold amongst honourable, strong fighters and zergbusters.
As for having a distorted view of my own importance, I don’t get how that is possible when I do not care for PPT whatsoever, haven’t done so since zergbusting got brought to bronze those many years ago.
It’s a complex sense of honor and unofficial rules of engagement I know, but it is far from a uncommon thing and I hold a lot of pride for it.
You’re completely deluded and you’re the coward. What’s the bet you sit around minmaxing your 1v1 potential?
Basically for me the issue lies in the actions of allies.
No it doesn’t. It’s wvw and you are demoralising people by doing it out in the open while people try to defend keeps etc.
Duleers also do it out in the open for attention, which also shows your motivations. You have no respect at all from anyone on the server playing wvw. Sometimes there are people queing in to help in wvw. You have an extremely distorted view of your own importance.
Demoralising people by doing what out in the open exactly? Fighting? Lol ! I guess in your perfect world everyone would either be sitting on arrowcarts or following the monoblob.
I don’t concern myself with what opinions cowards have of me, only the reputation I hold amongst honourable, strong fighters and zergbusters.
As for having a distorted view of my own importance, I don’t get how that is possible when I do not care for PPT whatsoever, haven’t done so since zergbusting got brought to bronze those many years ago.
It’s a complex sense of honor and unofficial rules of engagement I know, but it is far from a uncommon thing and I hold a lot of pride for it.
You hold pride in your complete disregard and disrespect for your world’s performance in the mists?
Anyone who considers themselves a serious dueler would work really hard to establish a dueling zone in a fairly remote are in the BLs so they would never have to deal with zerg interference. Why don’t you all spread the word that the new secret hideout for duelers is the open area near the windmill south of south camp.
I think people have the right to do what they like . If 2 people are dueling, i usually stop to look at it, i like to observe if they are good players. Obviously if they use builds tuned for 1vs 1, it is hard to take them down with a standard roamer build, it is like old king of the hill server, where the 1vs 1 meta was quite different from the standard spvp meta . And i find a great training to duel . i usually don’t do it but i respect it and sometime i’d like to be better at it
Josh, Dude you do not have any right to duel. I can, as a free roamer, interrupt your duel any time I want. Only reason that duellers have the chance is out of pure respect and kindness of both parties, that is all. So being kinder, and respectful will bring so much into the table, while acting like a crazed pickle would bugger things down. Hence " the attitude".
For this beautiful information you can call me atti-dude. You know, for being an informative dude.
Welcome to the internet where you can say, do and act how you please. Are you from Canada by any chance? Your statements seem pretty socialist.
Ahh, the battle of semantics, hurt feelings, and I’m right here’s why you’re wrong. Haven’t seen a thread like this in all but a week now. Mmm.
As long as you aren’t going against their TOS you pretty much can do whatever you want and there’s nothing anyone legitimately can say about it. Let me eat my cake with a hammer and you can drink your soup with a 2×4.
Relevant to forcing compliance from other people. (making them do what you want…kind of)
WvWvW isn’t duel zone, it is warground, all around cry pls dont kill me, pls dont kill my oponent, pls go aways we have a duel, no one help u in combat coz they think it is duel. Stop it guys pls, and dear Anet, pls make a duel zone (not guild arena) in pve world, that all over the tyria can enter and use comand /duel or use buff from npc to make dialog with another player and duel him
A sentiment I wholeheartedly agree with, conveyed in broken English. A big +1 from me to the OP!
Go for it. We’ll just have fun farming you at your spawn. Zergers vs duelers. Oh gee, I wonder what the outcome will be here. Mindless drones vs skilled players. And this isn’t really just a one time thing. We do these fights all the time.
You hold pride in your complete disregard and disrespect for your world’s performance in the mists?
Its more that I have complete indifference for PPT, it is determined by population and coverage. Which is why I find the result of a matchup completely meaningless.
That being said, in the same way there are players who run away from fights and actively try to outnumber the opponent because skill and honor means nothing to them so in the end it is simply, each to their own. Live and let live.
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Officer of [DEX] Deus Ex Machina Eu and [Fus] Fus Ro Dâh
Ruins of Surmia
please show me in writing, officially stating that wvw is not a place to have duels. people paid money for this game and they have every right to do what they like, that includes dueling in wvw.
/endthread
plz
I wish people would remember this logic when they make the next “stop interrupting my duels!” thread…
thats the thing though, no dueler/roamer makes there’s threads. its only the karma trainer or zerglings that create such topics
lulwut? People make posts crying about people interrupting their duels all the time.
Like I said before, it is very simple – if you see 2 people fighting 1v1, leave them be. This game is nearly 4 years old, if people don’t understand such a basic concept in WvW, they either shouldn’t be there or should be taught.
I have no problem teaching people.
He still didn’t start the thread, just made a post replying to someone else…. come on dude.
So the attitude become null? People kitten about folks interrupting duels and not honoring some fake “code of honor” constantly. Whether it’s in the form of a fresh thread or simple post is irrelevant.
If you want to pretend “duelers” are some more civilized group that’s your prerogative, just don’t expect me to agree with your faulty logic…
the whole basis of the general dueling wvw argument is that players are taking up queue space for other players that could be contributing by roaming to take camps and whatnot or join zergs.
so that being said. how is a 1v1 duels different, from a player roaming between camps and being forced into a 1v1 fight when a theif or warrior comes out of nowhere and tries to kill you. its literally no different at all
If you wanna duel thats fine, but please take it to OS. you’re not contributing anyway to the WvW fight by sitting outside StoneMist Castle having 1v1’s and just taking up valuable slots for other people, esp on my server where there are queues all night long.
so that being said. how is a 1v1 duels different, from a player roaming between camps and being forced into a 1v1 fight when a theif or warrior comes out of nowhere and tries to kill you. its literally no different at all
In a forced 1 vs. 1 I would help my teammate. I mean, we are one team. In a duel, I will get flamed for helping (as Josh xt showed).
But the question to you as well: How do you differentiate whether it is a forced 1 vs. 1 or a duel?
If you wanna duel thats fine, but please take it to OS. you’re not contributing anyway to the WvW fight by sitting outside StoneMist Castle having 1v1’s and just taking up valuable slots for other people, esp on my server where there are queues all night long.
Meh ebg is overrated. Most of the duelers that I have seen on my server or fighting us are enemy gankers that patrol around sm to pick of their enemy zerg tails. Also speaking of contributing, 50 people flipping camps and empty towers isn’t exactly that much of an contribution neither, not when it can be done with 5 people for a quick flip.
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so that being said. how is a 1v1 duels different, from a player roaming between camps and being forced into a 1v1 fight when a theif or warrior comes out of nowhere and tries to kill you. its literally no different at all
In a forced 1 vs. 1 I would help my teammate. I mean, we are one team. In a duel, I will get flamed for helping (as Josh xt showed).
But the question to you as well: How do you differentiate whether it is a forced 1 vs. 1 or a duel?
why is this a relevant question? when the end result is the same. there’s no point about differentiating either. if people are dueling, it takes up space in the queue for people that wanna join zergs, if people are roaming and randomly forced into 1v1 fights. those people takes up space in the queue for people that wanna join zergs
if a single player isn’t dueling. that player is roaming the map picking off another single player. duel or not
so that being said. how is a 1v1 duels different, from a player roaming between camps and being forced into a 1v1 fight when a theif or warrior comes out of nowhere and tries to kill you. its literally no different at all
In a forced 1 vs. 1 I would help my teammate. I mean, we are one team. In a duel, I will get flamed for helping (as Josh xt showed).
But the question to you as well: How do you differentiate whether it is a forced 1 vs. 1 or a duel?
If its 1 person fighting 1 other person, leave it alone unless someone asks for help. Even then, I don’t like to help someone who is fighting only 1 person because they should learn how to fight for themselves. There is such a lack of skill in this game its insane, almost 4 years this game has been out and people still don’t know how to fight with even numbers lol.
so that being said. how is a 1v1 duels different, from a player roaming between camps and being forced into a 1v1 fight when a theif or warrior comes out of nowhere and tries to kill you. its literally no different at all
In a forced 1 vs. 1 I would help my teammate. I mean, we are one team. In a duel, I will get flamed for helping (as Josh xt showed).
But the question to you as well: How do you differentiate whether it is a forced 1 vs. 1 or a duel?
why is this a relevant question? when the end result is the same. there’s no point about differentiating either. if people are dueling, it takes up space in the queue for people that wanna join zergs, if people are roaming and randomly forced into 1v1 fights. those people takes up space in the queue for people that wanna join zergs
if a single player isn’t dueling. that player is roaming the map picking off another single player. duel or not
WvW isn’t Zerg vs Zerg. What blows my mind is that people still haven’t figured out after almost 4 years that splitting up the zergs in to smaller groups that go in different directions is WAY more effective. Imagine this, 10 smaller groups of 5 people can take 10 objectives at the same time, where as a 50 man group can only take one objective at a time.
so that being said. how is a 1v1 duels different, from a player roaming between camps and being forced into a 1v1 fight when a theif or warrior comes out of nowhere and tries to kill you. its literally no different at all
In a forced 1 vs. 1 I would help my teammate. I mean, we are one team. In a duel, I will get flamed for helping (as Josh xt showed).
But the question to you as well: How do you differentiate whether it is a forced 1 vs. 1 or a duel?
why is this a relevant question? when the end result is the same. there’s no point about differentiating either. if people are dueling, it takes up space in the queue for people that wanna join zergs, if people are roaming and randomly forced into 1v1 fights. those people takes up space in the queue for people that wanna join zergs
if a single player isn’t dueling. that player is roaming the map picking off another single player. duel or not
WvW isn’t Zerg vs Zerg. What blows my mind is that people still haven’t figured out after almost 4 years that splitting up the zergs in to smaller groups that go in different directions is WAY more effective. Imagine this, 10 smaller groups of 5 people can take 10 objectives at the same time, where as a 50 man group can only take one objective at a time.
We had that figured out quite well in the beginning. Problem is all those players that played like that left the game a long time ago. Now what we have is a pathetic remnant amount of roamers and small group players + a bunch of pvers who just want to spam 1 behind a tag and get loot.
so that being said. how is a 1v1 duels different, from a player roaming between camps and being forced into a 1v1 fight when a theif or warrior comes out of nowhere and tries to kill you. its literally no different at all
In a forced 1 vs. 1 I would help my teammate. I mean, we are one team. In a duel, I will get flamed for helping (as Josh xt showed).
But the question to you as well: How do you differentiate whether it is a forced 1 vs. 1 or a duel?
why is this a relevant question? when the end result is the same. there’s no point about differentiating either. if people are dueling, it takes up space in the queue for people that wanna join zergs, if people are roaming and randomly forced into 1v1 fights. those people takes up space in the queue for people that wanna join zergs
if a single player isn’t dueling. that player is roaming the map picking off another single player. duel or not
WvW isn’t Zerg vs Zerg. What blows my mind is that people still haven’t figured out after almost 4 years that splitting up the zergs in to smaller groups that go in different directions is WAY more effective. Imagine this, 10 smaller groups of 5 people can take 10 objectives at the same time, where as a 50 man group can only take one objective at a time.
WvW was advertised as a big fights pvp mode and that’s why people flocked to it. Don’t be salty just because the game isn’t some perfectly orchestrated roamer’s paradise where you never have to fight more than 5 people at a time.
When your 5 man group can take a sieged up keep faster than the 50 man group then maybe your logic will pan out…
so that being said. how is a 1v1 duels different, from a player roaming between camps and being forced into a 1v1 fight when a theif or warrior comes out of nowhere and tries to kill you. its literally no different at all
In a forced 1 vs. 1 I would help my teammate. I mean, we are one team. In a duel, I will get flamed for helping (as Josh xt showed).
But the question to you as well: How do you differentiate whether it is a forced 1 vs. 1 or a duel?
why is this a relevant question? when the end result is the same. there’s no point about differentiating either. if people are dueling, it takes up space in the queue for people that wanna join zergs, if people are roaming and randomly forced into 1v1 fights. those people takes up space in the queue for people that wanna join zergs
if a single player isn’t dueling. that player is roaming the map picking off another single player. duel or not
WvW isn’t Zerg vs Zerg. What blows my mind is that people still haven’t figured out after almost 4 years that splitting up the zergs in to smaller groups that go in different directions is WAY more effective. Imagine this, 10 smaller groups of 5 people can take 10 objectives at the same time, where as a 50 man group can only take one objective at a time.
WvW was advertised as a big fights pvp mode and that’s why people flocked to it. Don’t be salty just because the game isn’t some perfectly orchestrated roamer’s paradise where you never have to fight more than 5 people at a time.
When your 5 man group can take a sieged up keep faster than the 50 man group then maybe your logic will pan out…
My 5 man group has done that many times., because we worked with the other groups on the map while they hit the other keeps lol.
I am not salty at all about that, my comment was to blackgamma who thinks that roamers are just wasting space in the maps and that they should join the zerg or leave so someone else can lol.
so that being said. how is a 1v1 duels different, from a player roaming between camps and being forced into a 1v1 fight when a theif or warrior comes out of nowhere and tries to kill you. its literally no different at all
In a forced 1 vs. 1 I would help my teammate. I mean, we are one team. In a duel, I will get flamed for helping (as Josh xt showed).
But the question to you as well: How do you differentiate whether it is a forced 1 vs. 1 or a duel?
why is this a relevant question? when the end result is the same. there’s no point about differentiating either. if people are dueling, it takes up space in the queue for people that wanna join zergs, if people are roaming and randomly forced into 1v1 fights. those people takes up space in the queue for people that wanna join zergs
if a single player isn’t dueling. that player is roaming the map picking off another single player. duel or not
WvW isn’t Zerg vs Zerg. What blows my mind is that people still haven’t figured out after almost 4 years that splitting up the zergs in to smaller groups that go in different directions is WAY more effective. Imagine this, 10 smaller groups of 5 people can take 10 objectives at the same time, where as a 50 man group can only take one objective at a time.
a zerg isnt that much different from an organized party. both have set objectives in mind. i just used the word zerg because i didn’t think it would change my statement.
but even thinking on a smaller scale of a 5 man party where 4 of em is in EB and one of them is still queue for EB. you find a duel or a random 1v1 and you intervene.
putting aside whats morally right or wrong with duels. would either person in the 1v1 go and leave EB, just because some group stopped 1v1 fight? maybe so? maybe not. but with the amount of things you can do in WvW, that roamer that was in the 1v1 would probably stay in EB. either joining groups or roaming by themself again fighting other roamers
ganking 1v1 duels isn’t gonna help your queue times. but if your doing it based on a morale standpoint. it will make players join groups/zergs more often.
ganking 1v1 duels isn’t gonna help your queue times. but if your doing it based on a morale standpoint. it will make players join groups/zergs more often.
Transfer to a different server if you’re worried about queues. Tired of people complaining in stacked servers about queues. I am on Blackgate, I experience massive queues in every map every day – but I choose to be on Blackgate, I can transfer any time I want if I don’t want to deal with the queues anymore.
I also don’t even go to EBG to duel or roam anymore now that Alpine is back. I never liked EBG since I started playing the game, but I liked it more than I like DBL so that was where I was and where most of the roamers were. Now there are roamers on the Alpine maps, thats where I roam and duel.
looking back on what i said i can understand why you took that approach on me josh.xt
i should of been more clear. i was referring to people who use the argument that “people that duel are taking up queue space” when duelers arent actually taking up queue space. didn’t mean to come across that way. i love dueling on WvW. its how i get to spec my builds so much better so i can die less
