Guild Wars 2

It has been too long and far too long in dealing with those childish behavior players.

Why is it that those players are in WvW in the first place?

Well because its their playground; which WvW is becoming at a rapid rate.

As someone Beautifuly put it; there will come a time, the Hardcore and casual players will leave and be replaced by childrens.

We all know the casualty of WoW; 69% of its players are under the age of 15.. so that shouldn’t be shocking.

Ok let me get to the point..

Have you ever come across enemy players hiding behind Npc’s?

Have you ever come across after taking out a keep; suddenly out of nowhere the enemies rushes in for the kill? (It should be obvious that they were Hiding instead of counterattack your group)

In other word; those childish behavior players choose to Intentionally Hide than fighting your and your group.

Another ones are the #2 key Spammers and the Perma-Stealthers.

Since when does an Mmorpg beside Gw2 granted this immature childish behavior mechanics having 10-30 players seeking out or even chasing 1 Thief?

Yes, you heard it right.. for 1 Thief.

No Mmm’s otehr than Gw2 have this thietric childish Mechanic..
(Well I forgot about WoW majority of group age players)

Who is the Hardcore players than?

Are they any of the listed above?

Certainly; Not

I define Hardcore players as putting hard work and Great effort in accomplishing a Purpose..

Not playing Mindgames or Childhsih games by cheating.

I do agree that thief class have those Mechanics built in them which to me is Immature in all state (childish for sure)

But equipping them with 1 Spammable utility with Stealth, none to 0 cooldown, leaves room for thorough Investigation by Serious Individuals

Nearly 1 Year and this is all we witness…Wvw being a Huge Playground for Childish Behavior Players.

It’s not about who have the best build; the best gears or the best at anything..

It is not about who is the Pro. or No anymore.. well accept for the few remaining hardocre and causual players

It is about who can play the childish game and cheat to win:

Who can Spam key #2 the most, Wins.

Who can Spam Stealth the most, Wins.

Who can Perma-Burst the most, Wins.

Who can Hide behind Npc’s the most, Wins.

Who can continually output the Highest Single Actack, Wins

Who can Perma-0 cooldown the most, Wins.

Who can Reset the most Fights, Wins.

Who can output the Highest Aoe’s, Wins.

Who can output the Highest condtions, Wins.

Who can Perma-Stun you the most, Wins.

What a Tragedy?

My Predition for Guild Wars 2 WvW..

Will exceed far quicker and great than WoW immature playgound and playerbase.

It’s Unfortunate Guild Wars 2 WvW is Dying at this moment because of these included factors and more.

(I’m sure there are more example of Childish Behavior Players but these are the ones whom I experienced at the most)

As the saying goes, “Dying with Honor is Far Greater than Dying by Cheating”

As the saying goes, “when you’re no-longer Serious, you only leave room for children to play with you”

(all comments are gladly Welcome inclduing those Responsible individuals and to those who label me as a troll; for you too are Welcome

tl;dr Perma-stealth thieves are annoying.

outplaying you isn’t “childish behaviour”.

EnemyCrusher.7324:

tl;dr Veiled complaints about thieves accompanied with spelling, grammatical errors, and random proper nouns..

How is any of that “childish”?

Very presumptuous post. Is anything in it correct? I leave that for braver men than I.

tl;dr V2: Need more AOE/pet

Bovinity.8610:

How is any of that “childish”?

I’m curious about his definition of “mature” too

Attacking from a position of strength would do Sun Tzu proud. Fighting is supposed to be messy and players who use the best tactics (hit and run is a tactic) should win. Being a kitten before or after a fight is the childish part (not saying you are… referencing players that roll up on a solo with their 10 friends and then grace the corpse with a “tea bag”).

Scrambles.2604:

EnemyCrusher.7324:

tl;dr Veiled complaints about thieves accompanied with spelling, grammatical errors, and random proper nouns..

Don’t know why you made that a quote, but yes, that too.

EnemyCrusher.7324:

Scrambles.2604:

EnemyCrusher.7324:

tl;dr Veiled complaints about thieves accompanied with spelling, grammatical errors, and random proper nouns..

Don’t know why you made that a quote, but yes, that too.

i could’ve put “fixed” in my post, but i didn’t, and i stand by that decision. haha.

Manuelito.6081:

don’t feed the troll, guys.

I don’t think he’s trolling. I’ve read several of Burnfall’s other posts and they don’t make any more sense than this one.

In all fairness though there are a few points to be seen there; maybe just not elaborated enough.

Personally I hate the fact that I can be finished while someone is in stealth because 1) I can’t see them and 2) I can’t defend myself :/
I also don’t like the fact that I can be in WvW on a Warrior (no stealth), be just there for mapping purposes, and then just get steam rolled by an entire zerg hidden in stealth.
Stealth is maybe a bit OP because it can be maintained. If there was a short 3 second cool down before you could re-enter stealth regardless of being revealed or not; the problem would be solved.
There are many things that can be improved. Whether or not anyone cares to do anything about it is another thing.

Personally I hate the fact that I can be finished while someone is in stealth because 1) I can’t see them and 2) I can’t defend myself :/

Stealth-Stomping is probably the least annoying of all the stomps. I know people rage about it because not seeing someone is frustrating, but stuff like invulnerable-stomping is way worse functionally.

I also don’t like the fact that I can be in WvW on a Warrior (no stealth), be just there for mapping purposes, and then just get steam rolled by an entire zerg hidden in stealth.

Um, entire zergs roaming in stealth? I don’t think so. =)

Stealth is maybe a bit OP because it can be maintained. If there was a short 3 second cool down before you could re-enter stealth regardless of being revealed or not; the problem would be solved.

Any thief that is perma-stealthing is literally doing almost nothing else. Why people rage so much about it is beyond me.

You haven’t done anything except for complaining about how bad this game is for months, Burnfall. If you’re not pleased, then leave. No one will miss you.

I agree that some changes could be made to the stealth mechanic, but I don’t think they can do too much with it without destroying an entire profession…

Dragon Ruler X.8512:

In all fairness though there are a few points to be seen there; maybe just not elaborated enough.

Personally I hate the fact that I can be finished while someone is in stealth because 1) I can’t see them and 2) I can’t defend myself :/
I also don’t like the fact that I can be in WvW on a Warrior (no stealth), be just there for mapping purposes, and then just get steam rolled by an entire zerg hidden in stealth.
Stealth is maybe a bit OP because it can be maintained. If there was a short 3 second cool down before you could re-enter stealth regardless of being revealed or not; the problem would be solved.
There are many things that can be improved. Whether or not anyone cares to do anything about it is another thing.

You can get steamrolled by a zerg regardless of wheter he is hidden or not and every skill that allows multiple players to stealth has a high cd.

Turamarth.3248:

Dragon Ruler X.8512:

In all fairness though there are a few points to be seen there; maybe just not elaborated enough.

Personally I hate the fact that I can be finished while someone is in stealth because 1) I can’t see them and 2) I can’t defend myself :/
I also don’t like the fact that I can be in WvW on a Warrior (no stealth), be just there for mapping purposes, and then just get steam rolled by an entire zerg hidden in stealth.
Stealth is maybe a bit OP because it can be maintained. If there was a short 3 second cool down before you could re-enter stealth regardless of being revealed or not; the problem would be solved.
There are many things that can be improved. Whether or not anyone cares to do anything about it is another thing.

You can get steamrolled by a zerg regardless of wheter he is hidden or not and every skill that allows multiple players to stealth has a high cd.

Except for Black Powder and Cluster Bomb. But yes, any profession, visible or not can be steamrolled by a zerg.

As many of you, I was raised in fighting Man to Man or lMen to Men, to what i thought WvW was all about.

Not fighting like children playing Hide and Seek.. a.k.a Cat and Mouse; not playing Ring around the Rosea and Certainly Not; where is Waldo..a.k.a Thief.

As the saying goes, ‘Stand up and Fight like a Man’

It not ony strips the Seriousness and Fun factor in WvW but it initiates Childish behaviors in which many and I are gretting tired of.

I didn’t come to WcW for any of that; not by a long shot..

Unfortuanately as i already stated,

WvW is a childsih playground run by none other than the child thieves and by those players who like to play games.. "so-called Hardcore players’, oh really!!

Spam and Keep Spamming that #2.. oh yeah, ’you’re really a Man. a Real; Man’….‘Wait! i meant You’re Really a Hardcore Skillful Player’

Sure!

tell this to a Level 47-67 thief in my guilds.. and yes, they are teen players.

If Arena net is Serious about puting Seriousness to WvW; their first Priority is to Eliminate those childsih game mechanics and replace it with mechanics that
makes the player use all their skills and guts in Fighting like Real Men.

No more Theiatrics “PBS” Playground setting.

As the saying goes, “You’re Not Childrens, Fight Like Men”

And Men, We Will Fight, “Mano to Mano” in WvW

No Children Allowed

You take away stealth and portin across the map from 90% of the players on classes with those, and their garbage on anything else. Case and point, it’s called abusing a dumb mechanic.

For crying out loud. It’s not as if “fighting” is the same for all classes in game.
What, d’you expect a Thief to facetank, like a Warrior or Guardian does?
Not going to happen, bro. Not to mention, any Thief stupid enough to
spam H-Seeker on a full, or even half Health target … they deserve to get rolled.

As for Stealth. Honestly, I’d not be adverse to making it unable to stack. However, to actually do that, we’d first have to alter Thief’s durability/evasion. Since, as it is,
you drop Stealth’s efficiency, you limit a Thief’s survivability.

Also, we have CC and NPCs in WvW for a bleeding reason. Altering either of those things will change the entire way the game mode functions. And not for the better.

I like those children that you speak of. They read more like tacticians versus predictable players.

“Critics who treat ‘adult’ as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”

I don’t see any “childish behaviours”…

Case and point, it’s called abusing a dumb mechanic.

You mean, “Case in point”. Not that you used it right anyway.

The OP is 100% correct. From here on out, everyone should fight man to man. That means no more stealth for thieves. And what about all that armor warriors and guardians use? What man fights hiding behind a shield and platemail! And what about those pesky necros, rangers, mesmers, and engineers having their pets/clones/turrets do all the work for them??!! (OK maybe not engineers, that may have been a stretch since turrets are pretty horrible atm) Elementalists using elemental magic, flipping through attunements right and left? Childish! From now on everyone in wvw should not be allowed to run any armor and can only use rocks for weapons.

I have no idea how to even respond to this…
What…? Tactics are childish? You have no concept whatsoever about what WvW is meant to be. At all.
Being clever isn’t being childish. Sounds like you just want to whine about Thieves. But Thieves don’t do any of the things you’ve listed.
Want some cheese with that whine?

OP is right, guys. I mean this is a GAME where people should FIGHT like REAL MEN. Real men with… female characters!!!

From here on out, make a new, strong male character, equip a plank, strip your armor, stop hiding and start fighting!!!

Though the OP is obviously QQing, he does bring up a common complaint I see with a lot of games. And to this common complaint, I respond with Sirlin’s “Play to win”, particularly the section on Scrubs:

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html

There’s a saying that “all is fair in love and war”, and that is true. If someone wants to hide behind an NPC, that isn’t childish. It’s clever. It is tactical deception. If someone doesn’t want to fight your group and they run off, then this is a tactical retreat. Had I had the option (necros, sadly, have no escape) I would run from most situations where I couldn’t win, too. No point in fighting a frivolous battle where the only thin you’ll do is lose. Stealth and disengaging are perfectly viable tactics to use, and there isn’t anything “wrong” with them.

It’s true there’s a tonne of childish behaviour in wvw. I’m not sure you’ve mentioned any of it though. The things you’re mentioning are just playing the game, albeit in ways that annoy you.

How old are you really? Just asking!

Someone needs to spend less time posting and more time reading The art of war.

Waaait a minute. Someone please tell me this guy is trolling. LOL

I can’t really take this post seriously, but…since when the hell is everything OTHER than kittening facetanking considered childish? lmao And since when are tactics considered cheating? These abilities are in the game for a reason.

You’re talking about standing up to the other side and getting owned. Standing there and getting killed isn’t tactical, fyi. The attacks that you don’t see coming are certainly the best ones. It doesn’t matter if they’re hiding or stealthing or whatever else, cause at the end of the day they still kicked your kitten .

And +1 that post up there. Someone really does need to read The Art of War. I’ll even link you a pdf.

(and yes, if you’re not playing to win and have fun, you’re doing it wrong.)

http://suntzusaid.com/artofwar.pdf

ltck.3659:

Waaait a minute. Someone please tell me this guy is trolling. LOL

I can’t really take this post seriously, but…since when the hell is everything OTHER than kittening facetanking considered childish? lmao And since when are tactics considered cheating? These abilities are in the game for a reason.

You’re talking about standing up to the other side and getting owned. Standing there and getting killed isn’t tactical, fyi. The attacks that you don’t see coming are certainly the best ones. It doesn’t matter if they’re hiding or stealthing or whatever else, cause at the end of the day they still kicked your kitten .

And +1 that post up there. Someone really does need to read The Art of War. I’ll even link you a pdf.

http://suntzusaid.com/artofwar.pdf

BUT THAT’S NOT HOW GENTLEMEN FIGHT!!
Real MEN stand in open fields with fancy red coats on and shoot rifles at each other while the commanders sip tea on a far off hill… DUH. Anything else is simply childish. Disgusting.

Castaliea.3156:

ltck.3659:

Waaait a minute. Someone please tell me this guy is trolling. LOL

I can’t really take this post seriously, but…since when the hell is everything OTHER than kittening facetanking considered childish? lmao And since when are tactics considered cheating? These abilities are in the game for a reason.

You’re talking about standing up to the other side and getting owned. Standing there and getting killed isn’t tactical, fyi. The attacks that you don’t see coming are certainly the best ones. It doesn’t matter if they’re hiding or stealthing or whatever else, cause at the end of the day they still kicked your kitten .

And +1 that post up there. Someone really does need to read The Art of War. I’ll even link you a pdf.

http://suntzusaid.com/artofwar.pdf

BUT THAT’S NOT HOW GENTLEMEN FIGHT!!
Real MEN stand in open fields with fancy red coats on and shoot rifles at each other while the commanders sip tea on a far off hill… DUH. Anything else is simply childish. Disgusting.

Pfah. What gentlemen?

And I’m a lady, but I’ll take the fancy red coats.

ltck.3659:

Castaliea.3156:

ltck.3659:

Waaait a minute. Someone please tell me this guy is trolling. LOL

I can’t really take this post seriously, but…since when the hell is everything OTHER than kittening facetanking considered childish? lmao And since when are tactics considered cheating? These abilities are in the game for a reason.

You’re talking about standing up to the other side and getting owned. Standing there and getting killed isn’t tactical, fyi. The attacks that you don’t see coming are certainly the best ones. It doesn’t matter if they’re hiding or stealthing or whatever else, cause at the end of the day they still kicked your kitten .

And +1 that post up there. Someone really does need to read The Art of War. I’ll even link you a pdf.

http://suntzusaid.com/artofwar.pdf

BUT THAT’S NOT HOW GENTLEMEN FIGHT!!
Real MEN stand in open fields with fancy red coats on and shoot rifles at each other while the commanders sip tea on a far off hill… DUH. Anything else is simply childish. Disgusting.

Pfah. What gentlemen?

And I’m a lady, but I’ll take the fancy red coats.

I’m sorry, all you’re allowed to do is sit on the sidelines on a picnic blanket watching the festivities of men.
It’s a Man’s world after-all.

I think we need more perma-stealth thieves in WvW.

Are you complaining about hacking? No? Then you’re not actually complaining about cheating. You’re complaining about people who play the entire game, and not just the parts you agree with.

Halo.8976:

I think we need more perma-stealth thieves in WvW.

Only if you give them rifles so they can be part of the firing line. Also if they stealth they can’t move.
Real MEN don’t break formation.

Halo.8976:

I think we need more perma-stealth thieves in WvW.

The average thief is like a TSA Airport Security Screener just patting down servers for noobs. Protecting WvW from scrubs, 1 loot bag at a time.

…also much like those unsung heros of TSA they are hated and ridiculed by their peers…and also much like TSA they kinda deserve it…ya soulless little !&#$holes…

They’re called Thieves because they steal away your sense of pride, dignity, and self-respect…and occasionally your desire to play GW2.

Roll a Thief sometime. You’ll enjoy playing Guild Wars 222222222222222222222222.

Obscure One.4357:

Halo.8976:

I think we need more perma-stealth thieves in WvW.

The average thief is like a TSA Airport Security Screener just patting down servers for noobs. Protecting WvW from scrubs, 1 loot bag at a time.

…also much like those unsung heros of TSA they are hated and ridiculed by their peers…and also much like TSA they kinda deserve it…ya soulless little !&#$holes…

Your and my opinions don’t always line up, but I think I agree with you this time.

Burnfall.9573:

Since when does an Mmorpg beside Gw2 granted this immature childish behavior mechanics having 10-30 players seeking out or even chasing 1 Thief?

Yes, you heard it right.. for 1 Thief.

This like many other things in your post… it’s a l2p issue, not a childish behavior issue.

If it was more about /laugh spam, party invites to talk trash etc… that would be a childish behavior issue. In those cases I would suggest getting thicker skin or report if it is bad enough to be considered verbal abuse.

Burnfall.9573:

As the saying goes, ‘Stand up and Fight like a Man’

WvW is war. would you tell a soldier going to war that when he gets into a firefight with the enemy that he should “stand up and fight like a man”?

he’d probably tell you that is a very childish view of both war and of what a man truly is.

real soldiers use cover and every bit of advantage they can get. including stealth and tactical deployments

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Burnfall.9573:

As the saying goes, ‘Stand up and Fight like a Man’

WvW is war. would you tell a soldier going to war that when he gets into a firefight with the enemy that he should “stand up and fight like a man”?

he’d probably tell you that is a very childish view of both war and of what a man truly is.

real soldiers use cover and every bit of advantage they can get. including stealth and tactical deployments

They also use the AoE cap and downed state……to hide behind.

#1: You need to learn how to format your writing. My eyes are bleeding after reading that disaster of English.

#2: Most of your points are invalid, they appear as any other ‘QQ’ threads that only highlights their respective OP’s incompetent playstyle.

Jscull.2514:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Burnfall.9573:

As the saying goes, ‘Stand up and Fight like a Man’

WvW is war. would you tell a soldier going to war that when he gets into a firefight with the enemy that he should “stand up and fight like a man”?

he’d probably tell you that is a very childish view of both war and of what a man truly is.

real soldiers use cover and every bit of advantage they can get. including stealth and tactical deployments

They also use the AoE cap and downed state……to hide behind.

AoE cap is there to safe people from the big zerg that will make you one shot yourself if you use any aoe;)

but to op if mindgames is not a adult way of fighting then you are eighter very very very old(from around the dark ages or so maybe before) or childish as mindgames are a big part of fighting and war,

simply put the one able to predict hes enemies most will win given equal standing

83.7% of all facts are made up on the spot!

Someone got beaten by a thief

MarkusParkus.8467:

Someone got beaten by a thief

^ this .. and there is nothing childish about winning in any way you can.

Obviously thieves are a hard counter to whatever build you are running whereas the majority of the GW2 community have no problem against thieves.

Castaliea.3156:

ltck.3659:

Waaait a minute. Someone please tell me this guy is trolling. LOL

I can’t really take this post seriously, but…since when the hell is everything OTHER than kittening facetanking considered childish? lmao And since when are tactics considered cheating? These abilities are in the game for a reason.

You’re talking about standing up to the other side and getting owned. Standing there and getting killed isn’t tactical, fyi. The attacks that you don’t see coming are certainly the best ones. It doesn’t matter if they’re hiding or stealthing or whatever else, cause at the end of the day they still kicked your kitten .

And +1 that post up there. Someone really does need to read The Art of War. I’ll even link you a pdf.

http://suntzusaid.com/artofwar.pdf

BUT THAT’S NOT HOW GENTLEMEN FIGHT!!
Real MEN stand in open fields with fancy red coats on and shoot rifles at each other while the commanders sip tea on a far off hill… DUH. Anything else is simply childish. Disgusting.

Nah, gentlemen fighting is boxing. Can the boxing gloves in game be used as a weapon? Will it actually down a player? If not, ANet should make it so that it can. Oh and once you do box someone into downed state, the fight is over (they are KO’ed) and you don’t stomp.

lol.

@OP. Worst post ever. Your post seems childish in fact. Don’t complain about people just using classes as they are intended. You’ve been away for awhile. You can’t expect to have the same skill level as those who have played all this time. Just practice.