Guild Wars 2

Hello everybody,
I have been playing this game from beta and Anet andressed lot of problem since the start(culling etc) , but atm look like none talk about this DAM SKILL LAG. I play in a big guild that mostly play higer tier of WWW (Eu) and every evening always same problem , SKILL DONT WORK IN BIG FIGHT!!! sometime even at WC when there is a fight around the map!
Since this is not obviously our problem and DEV do not talk or even comment a thread with this argument !!This is totally increadible !!! this is the base of the WWW game…
yeah dam keep talk about match up ….. blob and crap . Everybody now or in the future will experience this problem, would u like fix this? or at least keep us updated on this? Dont you know a lot of ppl are frustrated about this? or you wanna kill rvr and make this game a PVE game ( judging by the last contents update)?
Fix ASAP
/rant over
Very disappointed.

Last patch screwed something up… I rarely get major lag outside of SM, and since that last patch/update whatever it was random disconnects have been occurring like crazy. Not just to me… but many people on DR.

yeah they did something this last patch that made things a LOT worse. What is so frustrating is I remember back in beta when the skill lag started. about 2 weeks before they closed the beta suddenly we have skill lag. before that we could have 100 people on the fight in a keep, after you get 40 people together in the open and bam skill lag. They got it better since then but they had the code working at one point then screwed it all up.

Agreed, it has gotten worse; but they have acknowledged (not too recently) that they are working on the problem. If it was something easy it would already be worked out, but managing that much data all on the server side is probably rather difficult to figure out unfortunately.

what are you guys calling the “last patch”? It has been a lot worse for me and guildies for the last month since the middle of Flame and Frost or longer so I am not sure which last patch people keep talking about because the threads last week said the same thing and we’ve had 2 patches since then or are is only major patches that count? I am confused. =/

And lots of people have been talking about the skill lag issues for quite some time but maybe not ANET so much. I don’t expect to hear a lot from them until they are well on the way to fixing the problem since the last time there was a peep was back in March when the “next patch” was suppose to be a start of many yet to come improvements to skill lag. I worry they did make some decent headway back then and decided to raise the WvW map population caps to celebrate which put us back into the same bloody mess as before only worse cuz now we get killer zergs along with killer skill lag. Yes SM is an old story in that regard but now it is everywhere including at your spawn when no speed boosts will fire.

ANet’s servers are incapable of handling the clashes of big groups in an area at one time. This is why we need a WvW population balance, i.e. a flexible cap, and create more maps for us to battle on. Anyone crying about “a cap is gonna limit contents from players” is all crap and you deserve to play in a laggy, smashing #1, and fail WvW system, which we’re currently in. All skills worked just fine before culling was fixed, so guess what, ANet only fixed culling by shifting processes, not recoding. Hence the skill lag problems began. There were no threads, at all, complaining about skill lags before culling was fixed. The ONLY problem right now, and has always been the problem, is the inability to take a stand on implementing a cap due to fear of outcries over it. Whether it’s skill lag or rendering, they’re symptoms of over crowding on servers that clearly can’t handle the mass gathering of people on top of skills usage. This is why we need a population cap on each maps, per server, along with plenty more maps to battle on rather than just 4. Stop defending the notion of “cap prevents game play” because a true and balance system would have a cap for each competing servers. How enjoyable is WvW, your game play, right now with all the issues caused by overcrowding of servers? How enjoyable is your class when you can only use #1 or how #6 fail to activate when you need it to? Address the freaking unbalance WvW population already and stop beating around the bush. Implement a cap and expand more maps so people can enjoy WvW w/o queues or long ones. It’s been nearly 1 year and the philosophy of “we don’t believe in a cap” is failing miserably. Culling was the first sign, warning, of a failing philosophy.

docMed.7692:

Agreed, it has gotten worse; but they have acknowledged (not too recently) that they are working on the problem. If it was something easy it would already be worked out, but managing that much data all on the server side is probably rather difficult to figure out unfortunately.

It has been almost a year now

It’s probably that new condition. THey’d better remove it again. cough

xTiMeBoMBx.2863:

ANet’s servers are incapable of handling the clashes of big groups in an area at one time. This is why we need a WvW population balance, i.e. a flexible cap, and create more maps for us to battle on. Anyone crying about “a cap is gonna limit contents from players” is all crap and you deserve to play in a laggy, smashing #1, and fail WvW system, which we’re currently in. All skills worked just fine before culling was fixed, so guess what, ANet only fixed culling by shifting processes, not recoding. Hence the skill lag problems began.

I agree with most of that but I am not so sure we even need more maps to deal with the current WvW populations across worlds. I play on a top tier world that tends to have a least 2 maps outmanned 12hrs out of the day. I guess it depends on how low of WvW population caps they have to resort to and what they are now since we are never allowed to know the numbers behind the scenes. ><

I could see them pulling the Obsidian Sanctum out as its own map, expanding it to include a waypoint spawn safe zone for each team with maybe one camp like area to capture and defend, banning seige weapons on the map and putting a huge open green field on top of the underground jumping puzzle portion of the map perfect for GvGing (think Agramon from New Frontiers without bridges or gates). Bet that would be a popular place. Then they would just need to replace the Inner Sanctum on EB with a series of catacomb like tunnels connecting the Valley / Lowlands / Overlook / keeps for underground assaults and sneakiness.

Anyways, YES! Lower WvW map populations caps and lets see how the game performs then.

It’s been like this for a long time. Devs have been silent too. It was acknowledged way back during the culling days, and we were told culling will be fixed, but not lag, as it is supposed to be a separate issue. Since then, no update on any resolution, if any is forthcoming.

Threads about lag are becoming as numerous as stealth threads.

strifer.7986:

Since this is not obviously our problem and DEV do not talk or even comment a thread with this argument !!

Perhaps, the game was not meant to be played as three giant lag creating blobs per map?

Perhaps, it was not their intent for a majority of the game to cram themselves into the top 5 servers?

Esprit Dumort.3109:

It’s been like this for a long time. Devs have been silent too. It was acknowledged way back during the culling days, and we were told culling will be fixed, but not lag, as it is supposed to be a separate issue. Since then, no update on any resolution, if any is forthcoming.

Threads about lag are becoming as numerous as stealth threads.

+1 this is unacceptable…..and when i’m talking about this problem i’m not reffering to disconnection…that maybe caused by a faulty adsl line (i have a solid one) but the “swap” and “skill delay” that we have during fight. I’m not gonna leave this thread die…i will keep this updated until we have an answer and i invite you guys to do the same in this or similar thread.

TY

Esprit Dumort.3109:

It’s been like this for a long time. Devs have been silent too. It was acknowledged way back during the culling days, and we were told culling will be fixed, but not lag, as it is supposed to be a separate issue. Since then, no update on any resolution, if any is forthcoming.

What are you talking about?

There was a clear message from Devs that skill lags would not have a silver-bullet resolution, but will require continuous work on optimizing the engine. Since then there were at least two cases of such optimizations implemented:

• https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Game-Update-Notes-May-14-2013/first#post2025110
  “We’re rolling out our first set of optimizations. This is the first in many steps involved in helping resolve issues with “skill lag.” Some players will experience a slight improvement in skill lag issues with large groups of players, while some players may also experience a slight raise in their FPS.”

• https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Game-Update-Notes-May-28-2013/first#post2105689
  “Continued optimizations to the game to improve server performance and work toward eliminating lag during large encounters. We’ll be continuing to improve performance in this area in upcoming releases and provide as optimal an experience as possible with large numbers of players on screen.”

Of course whether these optimizations are noticeable and of any value is a matter of separate discussion. I would say yes, lags were much more rampant a couple of months ago. But I don’t have a way to measure the difference independently.

My point is, your statement “Since then, no update on any resolution, if any is forthcoming” is false.

“There was a clear message by Devs that skill lags would not have a silver-bullt resolution” WHERE? since lot of people dont know nothing about this and they still blame their RIG,ADSL,BLOB and crap so on.
Well and if this is the optimization let me tell you (3 months for this) ….. go back with some step…. lag it getting WORSE……..this is not a clear message …..2 stealthy lines in a patch note. I wonder when they published this games …..why they did not tested all this problems in a OPEN BETA…..all this problems were clear……This is not a Simple problem ok…. but this not even a LESSER problem ….This is a HUGE problem that make people QUIT GAME!
This so far is not a QALITY WvWvW……this is a QUANTITY WvWvW…..
and all ppl wonder why Vizuna wins…

40 ppl smashing 1 BUTTTON ( and random key) > 20 ppl smashing 1 BUTTON ( and random key)

We need CLEAR message like culling problem!
We need to know that this will be fixed…

strifer.7986:

“There was a clear message by Devs that skill lags would not have a silver-bullt resolution” WHERE?

I’ve spent quite some time digging into forum archives but couldn’t come up with a single definitive post to support my statement. Maybe it was a blog post or I just missed it.

However, for a person who was tracking progress regarding skill delays for quite some time, that’s what is the picture numerous posts from Devs over almost a year on this topic (and that of culling) left in my head. You may want to dig into posts history of Anet’s Habib Loew and Devon Carver who replaced Habib on WvW forums some time ago to get the idea.

I agree though that messaging around work to eliminate skill lags is a bit stale lately.

Well and if this is the optimization let me tell you (3 months for this) ….. go back with some step…. lag it getting WORSE

No it’s not. We can play this game all day long and could probably at best come to conclusion that our experiences are different.

……..this is not a clear message …..2 stealthy lines in a patch note.

They are not more stealthy than everything else in patch notes. Outside of Anet forum posts, patch notes are THE source to stay informed on what’s up with the game in details.

I wonder when they published this games …..why they did not tested all this problems in a OPEN BETA…..all this problems were clear……

Why do you think they didn’t and/or why do you think this problem was clear then? Skill delays were not always there, not on the scale they started to appear at some point in game history. I remember playing during BWE and skill delays on WvW even if they have existed then, were simply unnoticeable behind all the other performance problems game (and/or my rig I had then) had at the time.

Yaro.3251:

strifer.7986:

“There was a clear message by Devs that skill lags would not have a silver-bullt resolution” WHERE?

I’ve spent quite some time digging into forum archives but couldn’t come up with a single definitive post to support my statement. Maybe it was a blog post or I just missed it.

However, for a person who was tracking progress regarding skill delays for quite some time, that’s what is the picture numerous posts from Devs over almost a year on this topic (and that of culling) left in my head. You may want to dig into posts history of Anet’s Habib Loew and Devon Carver who replaced Habib on WvW forums some time ago to get the idea.

I agree though that messaging around work to eliminate skill lags is a bit stale lately.

Well and if this is the optimization let me tell you (3 months for this) ….. go back with some step…. lag it getting WORSE

No it’s not. We can play this game all day long and could probably at best come to conclusion that our experiences are different.

……..this is not a clear message …..2 stealthy lines in a patch note.

They are not more stealthy than everything else in patch notes. Outside of Anet forum posts, patch notes are THE source to stay informed on what’s up with the game in details.

I wonder when they published this games …..why they did not tested all this problems in a OPEN BETA…..all this problems were clear……

Why do you think they didn’t and/or why do you think this problem was clear then? Skill delays were not always there, not on the scale they started to appear at some point in game history. I remember playing during BWE and skill delays on WvW even if they have existed then, were simply unnoticeable behind all the other performance problems game (and/or my rig I had then) had at the time.

sorry i mean… overall (over 3 moth) it slowly getting better…. but last 2 week were terrible. that why “some step back”.

Sorry but you are the one creating the lag by running in massive groups! (blobbing) So its your own fault. Dont want it? Split up

Cradorell.3941:

Sorry but you are the one creating the lag by running in massive groups! (blobbing) So its your own fault. Dont want it? Split up

1) how do you know where i’m playing?
2) how do you know what my guild do?
3) it my fault yeah…that the point….if in a 3×3 there are so much people that i cannot even cast speed or heal out my workcamp.
4) uhm Ruin of Surmia…have you ever met Vizuna? dont know really..if you did you know what i’m talking about.
5) why came here ? to troll?

Let’s get straight to the point. I’m sure a lot of us are upset about the lag. The real fix to the lag is to cut the population allowed on each maps by 25-50%. Let’s do this at least for now until the servers are capable of handling bigger zergs, we at least have a temporary fix. Who knows, it might become a permanent fix as potentially some guilds may move out to help balance out the WvW population on other servers…

SleepingDragon.1596:

Let’s get straight to the point. I’m sure a lot of us are upset about the lag. The real fix to the lag is to cut the population allowed on each maps by 25-50%. Let’s do this at least for now until the servers are capable of handling bigger zergs, we at least have a temporary fix. Who knows, it might become a permanent fix as potentially some guilds may move out to help balance out the WvW population on other servers…

Population control is the only fix but people will start calling foul. I don’t get it. I don’t think people realize that you can’t have balance when you allow any one server to vastly outman the other two. You can’t have a smooth system w/o lag when you allow so many players on the same map, especially when you KNOW! your servers can’t handle it. It amazes me the arrogance, or maybe just ignorance, ANet has shown so far. Maybe they’re so understaffed or just extremely slow to respond to issues.

strifer.7986:

Cradorell.3941:

Sorry but you are the one creating the lag by running in massive groups! (blobbing) So its your own fault. Dont want it? Split up

1) how do you know where i’m playing?
2) how do you know what my guild do?
3) it my fault yeah…that the point….if in a 3×3 there are so much people that i cannot even cast speed or heal out my workcamp.
4) uhm Ruin of Surmia…have you ever met Vizuna? dont know really..if you did you know what i’m talking about.
5) why came here ? to troll?

Haha i am in one of the top wvw guilds from SFR bro! Im on this server because there is no lag when fighting and the fights are reasonably sized. No i didnt come here to troll, im stating fact. Lagging? Split up, its easy. orrrr move to another server!… Problem solved

Monsoon.2589:

docMed.7692:

Agreed, it has gotten worse; but they have acknowledged (not too recently) that they are working on the problem. If it was something easy it would already be worked out, but managing that much data all on the server side is probably rather difficult to figure out unfortunately.

It has been almost a year now

The lag in large battles was much better with culling. It basically began (skill lag) when culling was turned off.