Guild Wars 2

Characters should stay in the game for 10sec when the player closes the game.
I’m sick and tired off people hitting alt f4 when they are about to get downed/getting chased and it happens all the time.

I don’t really see a problem with it. If Anet removed armour repairs from W3 then the amount of people logging out before death would drastically decrease.

Because they are afraid of repairing armor yup that’s the reason.

I saw this happen tonight in wvw a couple times with the same toon. while armor repairs are mildly annoying I think alt+F4 is more effort than what its worth….maybe unless they get some satisfaction out of knowing that you didn’t kill them or something

It sounds more and more like this is becoming an issue. Perhaps it’s time for a non-entry debuff to be applied for X amount of time (no less than one hour) for the detection of a hard leaving (Alt F4). I’m sure the system can tell the difference between timing out and forcefully leaving. Having a one hour can’t get back into WvW debuff would be great enough that if you’re going to hurt your “team” by using idiotic tactics that just take away from the overall gameplay.

But, then again who knows what’ll come from it. First the orbs, now Alt F4.

It’ll get fixed, along with the rendering issues and everything else that needs fixing.

What is the problem exactly? Doesn’t Alt+F4’ing make you lose your place in the WvW? Making you have to queue again after you log back in? Effectively taking you out of the fight for a whole lot longer than just dying and respawning? It seems that forcing someone to Alt+F4 is way better than actually killing him.

Or is it because you are denied the badges of honor?

Only if your server has a queue and only if you intend on going back into Wv3.

They should make it so they you still get drops when they close the game after downed problem solved.

i dont see a problem here

alt f4 screws the player out of the world for a good 2 minutes longer than simply dying and respawning. and its easy to make a character who can tag everyone in a zerg v zerg for drops.

its dumb, but its just an issue with people refusing to lose at a personal level (at any cost) rather than a game balance issue like orbs were.

Even if it doesn’t have queue, still faster to just die and respawn. But I guess this is about the loot.
I would like to see the character staying in the game for 10-15s after logging out if you’re in combat.

While I find the action of alt-f4, or however they want to do it, to be a pathetic exploit I really do not care that much. The moment they do it, they lose the fight, now they are not only a loser, they are an exploiter to go with it, and they need to load two zones to come back to where they would be if they just died and released. In the mean time I will have moved on and killed someone else.

I do not think it is about repair costs, just people being pathetic because they can.

“I saw this happen tonight in wvw a couple times with the same toon. while armor repairs are mildly annoying I think alt+F4 is more effort than what its worth….maybe unless they get some satisfaction out of knowing that you didn’t kill them or something”

I get a ton of satisfaction denying folks badges, especially when it’s 3 to 1 or worse… which is common. If I feel like I’m getting rolled… then I think its my duty to make your victory as shallow as possible.

Dhar.6392:

“I saw this happen tonight in wvw a couple times with the same toon. while armor repairs are mildly annoying I think alt+F4 is more effort than what its worth….maybe unless they get some satisfaction out of knowing that you didn’t kill them or something”

I get a ton of satisfaction denying folks badges, especially when it’s 3 to 1 or worse… which is common. If I feel like I’m getting rolled… then I think its my duty to make your victory as shallow as possible.

I recommend you try sPvP if you are looking for 100% fair fights.

People are going to take whatever advantage they can and the only way to stop it is by putting in code that they stay there for X sec after closing game.I dont do this because if you kill me you kill me so be it but now……
PS:
Thanks for the idea – until people stop complaining about the thief I think I will use this strategy and make sure you get no loot when the forums stop lighting up about nerfing me I will stick around.

it has nothing whatsoever to do with repairs, it cost about 1.6 silver per death with lvl 80 exotic gear. if u cant afford that, then u got bigger problems. Bottom line is people are so use to easymode zergfest playstyle, when they finally have a challenge and get beat, their pride wont let them get beat so they alt-f4. takes maybe 20 secs to get back in game on the low tiered server I play on…..so no ones gonna stop doing this mess unless Anet does something about it, no reason for them to stop as of now.

Simple solution: If you alt-F4 your character instantly dies. This would provide the bags people are looking for.

has nothing to do with repair costs.

just cheesy noobs who will find anyway they can to play the game without playing the game.

put a 10 second “hangaround” time and the problem will be fixed.

I have been seeing this more and more each day.

Same I’ve seen it more and more and to be honest i don’t care if their kitten get less hurt if they hit alt+f4 or not but i care that i wasted a few seconds on the battleground trying to kill them then they do something as cheesy as that so you get no drops.

Personally I am seeing this more and more and it is just getting frustrating.

All I’d like to see happen is when an Alt-F4 is detected, upon loggin in and going back into WvW they get a message: “You’re a pathetic coward and are not worthy of WvW, this spot is reserved for players only”.

1hr WvW debuff.

GG noob.

I dont see the problem to be honest.

First off, its only going to benefit the player if there is no queue for WvW. Else he saved 80c, but bought himself a 30min queue.
And even if there is no queue, he takes longer to get back into the fight then if he just accepted death and respawned. Also good.

It doesnt matter if he alt-f4’s or dies, either way he is removed from the fight for a period of time. A longer period if he alt-f4’s. And thats the point of killing him.

I see it happend aswell, i always just shrug and move on. I needed him removed, i wanted to beat him, and i managed both. Cant really care about wether or not he got a tiny bit of repairbill. Or about losing my chance for a lootbag.

Cant see why so many people react so incredibly angry about this, is this about ego’s that need stroking? And unless he actually dies and is punished with a tiny repairbill, its not satisfying?

“I get a ton of satisfaction denying folks badges, especially when it’s 3 to 1 or worse… which is common. If I feel like I’m getting rolled… then I think its my duty to make your victory as shallow as possible.”

I’m in wvw a bit and have hundreds of those badges so it doesn’t really bother me if someone alt+f4. I kinda feel that I’m doing something right if someone feels the need to alt+f4 as opposed to being killed by me.

There’s no problem here. When someone alt-f4, they have to load the game, queue again then run back to the action across the map.

Think of it this way. Those players who alt-f4 don’t really wanna wvw, otherwise they wouldn’t waste their time just for a tiny repair bill. For example, doing map completion or doing JP (after I loot the JP chest, some dude started attacking, I alt-f4, mission accomplished I’m outta here).

IMO Alt F4 is quite frankly an exploit and ArenaNet should treat it as such.
Lets face it if it’s being done in WvWvW, it is without a doubt being done in all aspects of the game.
Think about it Alt F4 while your in a team on a boss ect, to come back with full health and ready to rock.
ArenaNet really need to get on this issue asap and install an count down log out of 10 seconds system that even applies to forced exits

I have to shake my head at this, the same problem happens in Star Trek Online. I thought this was MMO mechanics 101 when you log-out / end program character should persist in world. Hell Shadowbane had that feature back in 2004 if you logged out your character stayed in world for 60 seconds.

Hmm seen more of this as of late. Think i know why to, dam achievement seeking bastages… Life Time Survivor … xxxxxx exp with out Death.

I’ll agree, WvW armor repair is costly for newer players. Even now, I reserve my WvW time because of the expense. Once rolling full exotics and have little to spend silver on, I’d be much less concerned with cost too.

I’ll also agree, logging out during combat is cowardly and completely against the spirit of the game. Instead of the Hall of Monuments, there should be a Hall of Shame! A place in Lions Arch where the names and images of cowards hang on the wall for all to see.

The only issue is, to ensure it’s only for those that alt+F4. I wouldn’t want this to occur if the client crashes. Which happens frequently enough for me while running in large Zerg’s and huge battles.

When anyone does this to me, I smile knowing that I just killed them so hard they fell off the internet.

Banzairush.4962:

I don’t really see a problem with it. If Anet removed armour repairs from W3 then the amount of people logging out before death would drastically decrease.

Armor repair costs are no excuse for this pathetic tactic. What you save under 2 silver? just how often are you dying or are you that bad at making gold?

EnoLive.2367:

IMO Alt F4 is quite frankly an exploit and ArenaNet should treat it as such

Umm, you having an amazingly broad definition of exploit. This is in no way an exploit.

LOCO.1785:

Banzairush.4962:

I don’t really see a problem with it. If Anet removed armour repairs from W3 then the amount of people logging out before death would drastically decrease.

Armor repair costs are no excuse for this pathetic tactic. What you save under 2 silver? just how often are you dying or are you that bad at making gold?

If you are on an underpopulated server, in a small guild, and on the ‘front lines’ a lot, it can add up and actually matter. You’d see less of this if they’d just remove or greatly reduce the repair cost.

Do not be a sore loser and deny players there badge of honor, its rude and just sad to see done. I have been steamed rolled by a group of 5-6 before and i still have time to alt-f4 but I do not. Ive lost in 1 vs 1 and time to log out I do not. It is just rude and you should be above such childish things as quitting before you lose.

I hadn’t had this problem until the last few weeks but lately it seems to happen a lot. I mostly find it funny that someone will waste their time killing the client and relogging just to avoid a 2s repair bill.

Morpeth.5318:

EnoLive.2367:

IMO Alt F4 is quite frankly an exploit and ArenaNet should treat it as such

Umm, you having an amazingly broad definition of exploit. This is in no way an exploit.

Think about and read my post fully but just in case I’ll explain in more depth.
Alt F4 can be used lets say by a whole team that is farming a boss or even an event, for argument sake 1 member could be tanking it to the point where they are just about to die, they hit Alt F4 and another team member takes over the tanking, the one whom did the Alt F4 re-logs back to the exact spot he exited the game back at full health and all skills renewed, hay presto they other one that tanking gets to the same point of health and does the same thing bingo exploit.
We have to remember that what can be done in WvWvW can also be done in other parts of the game.
There are three ways of fixing this:
1: 15 second countdown timer where even if the player have just crashed or even Alt F4 their toon remains in game. (Ideal for WvWvW)
2: Auto redirect to beginner’s first waypoint and making all beginner start zones non WvWvW accessable. (Hard on new players/toons but no offence to new players/toons they wouldn’t have the equipment till they got past this area to do WvWvW effectively)
3: 10 minute time out before re-log. (Hard on legit game crashers but as they say blame the bad apples)

@Morpeth

You really think that justifies alt+f4?

Firstly, if you’re on a underpopulated server, then you’re fighting other underpopulated servers…

If you choose to be on the front lines all the time, which I do regularly myself, then that’s your choice isn’t it.

I don’t see a point in reducing armor repairs, there has to be some punishment for dying IMO. The repair costs are minimal anyway, I make plenty of gold playing WvW, I’ve never ever finished a session with less money than what I started with.

There’s no justifying this behavior, it’s just a tactic used by sore losers.