Guild Wars 2

ugh…. darned forum page bug

OriOri.8724:

Nuzt.7894:

Teon.5168:

Anyone who has paid for the game should be allowed to vote in the polls, imo. If they’re not a wvw’er, so what? Doesn’t mean they won’t play wvw at some point. They paid for the game just like those that scream about wvw here on the forums, so they should be allowed to vote.

To put it in perspective, lets say everyone game wipe received a poll that asked “How do you feel about all PvE zone including instances now allowing for unrestrained PvP” Most of the PvE players would lose their minds, and yet, most WvW and PvP players would vote yes because, why not. In this case we will also say that WvW and PvP are the majority population so it’s more accurate to what you’re saying.

Hope this helps.

That’s not even remotely similar. For one, the WvW polls are about adding new stuff to the game mode, the “perspective” you give is a theoretical poll about removing an entire game mode. Please explain how you think those are even comparable in nature. The theoretical poll you propose shouldn’t ever even be a poll, it should be an internal company decision if it were to ever happen. I’m also astounded that you think you can speak for “most” WvW and PvP players despite the previous polls clearly showing that opinions like yours are in the minority. The devs have even spoken up about who votes and how much WvW they do, if it was only “regular” WvW players that voted, the results would be unchanged. Your opinion is in the minority man. Learn to live with it.

Hexinx.1872:

So as a player who plays 4 hours a night, on my newer account, i get about 5 ranks a day… that would mean what 200 days without a night off? Pretty sure I’d be divorced by then.

So I wouldn’t get to vote until roughly 1 year after starting to play WvW… sounds fair o.O … and skillwise I’m better than a lot of gold players who just got that rank from ktraining BL’s.

I agree there has to be a better method as rank 10 is too low, but gating players behind year long wait is unreasonable.

Perhaps something like weighting the votes based on rank range to mean something more … like a r100 would weigh in at 1, while a r1000 would weigh in at 1.5 or even better … bronze ‘fill in the blank’ counts as 1 point, silver 2, gold 3, and so on. Wouldn’t that be more inclusive while providing the cranky vets their highly sought after earned respect as the know it all (yes i have played since launch, but I play primarily on my new account now and have little plans on changing that. I should still be entitled to a vote)

Why should someone who has been playing longer get more say? That’s not equal at all. Just because they karmatrained for a couple months doesn’t mean they actally know what is good for the game, and in fact they will probably only want changes that facilitate karmatraining and don’t actually help roamers or other people in WvW, or the game mode itself.

I don’t understand why a few people in this community seem to struggle with the concept that every player’s voice should count the same.

Excellent post. But to be fair, I think Hexinx was being sarcastic.

OriOri.8724:

Why should someone who has been playing longer get more say? That’s not equal at all. Just because they karmatrained for a couple months doesn’t mean they actally know what is good for the game, and in fact they will probably only want changes that facilitate karmatraining and don’t actually help roamers or other people in WvW, or the game mode itself.

I don’t understand why a few people in this community seem to struggle with the concept that every player’s voice should count the same.

You should have quoted the context I placed my suggestion to as the target audience. The one saying r1000 base, everyone else doesn’t matter. My suggestion is to include more player votes, and while the weighting was theoretical. Personally the account i play on right now is just shy of r100 and many would say no I shouldn’t be entitled to a vote, yet I play WvW pretty much 4 hours a night because I enjoy the combat system. I have been a player of gw2 since the 3 day headstart and bwe1, and supported anet through gw1 since open betas. I don’t think any of that matters though.

So don’t get worked up over it, just spitballing with someone who felt opposed. #allvotesmatter lol

LOL……#allvotesmatter…….that’s going to get stolen more than a few times I bet

OriOri.8724:

Nuzt.7894:

Teon.5168:

Anyone who has paid for the game should be allowed to vote in the polls, imo. If they’re not a wvw’er, so what? Doesn’t mean they won’t play wvw at some point. They paid for the game just like those that scream about wvw here on the forums, so they should be allowed to vote.

To put it in perspective, lets say everyone game wipe received a poll that asked “How do you feel about all PvE zone including instances now allowing for unrestrained PvP” Most of the PvE players would lose their minds, and yet, most WvW and PvP players would vote yes because, why not. In this case we will also say that WvW and PvP are the majority population so it’s more accurate to what you’re saying.

Hope this helps.

That’s not even remotely similar. For one, the WvW polls are about adding new stuff to the game mode, the “perspective” you give is a theoretical poll about removing an entire game mode. Please explain how you think those are even comparable in nature. The theoretical poll you propose shouldn’t ever even be a poll, it should be an internal company decision if it were to ever happen. I’m also astounded that you think you can speak for “most” WvW and PvP players despite the previous polls clearly showing that opinions like yours are in the minority. The devs have even spoken up about who votes and how much WvW they do, if it was only “regular” WvW players that voted, the results would be unchanged. Your opinion is in the minority man. Learn to live with it.

It is completely similar, imo adding full out PvP to PvE zone would be adding a feature to them, it wouldn’t be removing anything, thus it would be an addition. More PvP/WvW players would be in the PvP zones if this was a feature. So while it would create all sorts of QQ from the PvE crowd it would spread the population throughout the game which would be healthy.

The Dev’s have spoken holds zero Value, the Dev’s have said A LOT of things over the years that were complete BS.

Nuzt.7894:

OriOri.8724:

Nuzt.7894:

Teon.5168:

Anyone who has paid for the game should be allowed to vote in the polls, imo. If they’re not a wvw’er, so what? Doesn’t mean they won’t play wvw at some point. They paid for the game just like those that scream about wvw here on the forums, so they should be allowed to vote.

To put it in perspective, lets say everyone game wipe received a poll that asked “How do you feel about all PvE zone including instances now allowing for unrestrained PvP” Most of the PvE players would lose their minds, and yet, most WvW and PvP players would vote yes because, why not. In this case we will also say that WvW and PvP are the majority population so it’s more accurate to what you’re saying.

Hope this helps.

That’s not even remotely similar. For one, the WvW polls are about adding new stuff to the game mode, the “perspective” you give is a theoretical poll about removing an entire game mode. Please explain how you think those are even comparable in nature. The theoretical poll you propose shouldn’t ever even be a poll, it should be an internal company decision if it were to ever happen. I’m also astounded that you think you can speak for “most” WvW and PvP players despite the previous polls clearly showing that opinions like yours are in the minority. The devs have even spoken up about who votes and how much WvW they do, if it was only “regular” WvW players that voted, the results would be unchanged. Your opinion is in the minority man. Learn to live with it.

It is completely similar, imo adding full out PvP to PvE zone would be adding a feature to them, it wouldn’t be removing anything, thus it would be an addition. More PvP/WvW players would be in the PvP zones if this was a feature. So while it would create all sorts of QQ from the PvE crowd it would spread the population throughout the game which would be healthy.

The Dev’s have spoken holds zero Value, the Dev’s have said A LOT of things over the years that were complete BS.

Its not at all the same thing. PvE means player versus environment. PvE zones don’t have PvP at all. This isn’t exclusive to GW2 either, any game that separates into PvE and PvP zones bans all forms of PvP from teh PvE zones because they are two different game modes. Like it or not, being able to kill other players is not PvE and never will be. If you introduce that to PvE maps then they cease to be PvE maps and simply turn into massive PvP maps, effectively removing PvE from the game.

But you just made it clear that you aren’t actually listening to our arguments when you flat out said you don’t care about evidence that supports our side of the argument, so I won’t bother coming back to this thread.

Turamarth.3248:

And how would you define a wvwer?

I love threads in which the first post is a slam dunk

Seriously though it seems like anyone who dislikes the results of a poll just defines “wvwer” as anyone who agrees with them and everyone who disagrees with them, including and especially when their opinions are losing by a supermajority, is conveniently “not a wvwer”.