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how anet's linked server ranking system works
Sorry, but I’m confused by your post.
I thought you were going to explain how the linking system works but you did not explain it at all. I’ve asked before how does it all work (on this thread here) but I seem to have a better idea of what is actually happening than you do: for example it is clear from Anet’s original statements that only the “host” servers gain score from the linking and the “guest” servers gain nothing (although the individual players may have a better experience as a result of the temporary link). This is why you see some servers with no score for weeks.
Do you actually know how the server linking works? Or is this just another thread complaining about it? Or are you saying, correctly (and at some length) that it’s now impossible to compare the “guest” servers with anything because their score is not updated anymore?
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so you see the reason why some servers don’t get ranking score, okay good
We talk about how anet’s linked server ranking system works
A ranking system have some basic rules.
to say host server get ranking score and the guest server
don’t get any wvw ranking score
don’t show how you can compare servers
that do get wvw ranking score
with servers that don’t get any ranking score
in a ranking system
At one point any ranking system start with all servers have 0 score
and they then develop there score in the ranking system as they
earn there score
how can you compare servers in a ranking system
where some servers do get ranking score
with other servers that don’t get any ranking score ?
and can you then just past that ranking system on top
on a ranking system based on all servers do get ranking score ?
your right, that it feels confusing
because there is no system in
anet’s linked server ranking system that is the answer !
anet have just placed something on top of the old wvw ranking system
where all servers got ranking score and it don’t make any sense at all !
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Ok, I see your point now. I don’t think Anet actually changed the ranking system though. They kept the same ranking system for the 12 “host” servers and simply sold the 12 “guest” servers into slavery.
The existing ranking system is essentially useless now because the score for one of the privileged “host” servers includes the efforts of their temporary companion(s). Unless a server is solo, the population and WvW make up is different with each new linking, and the score the “host” server gains is not necessarily representative of that named server alone any more.
In other words, linked combinations are new entities for the ranking system. This messes up the balance if you try to use glicko to create the matches, which is what we’ve seen for this linking period in NA with several server combos running away with the matches.
Unfortunately Anet and some players seem to see the historical glicko as still relevant somehow, so you get strong multi server opponents that don’t fit the tier they are put in and forum posts asking why server X has gone up (or down).
It definitely needs improvement to make sense any more.
Ok, I see your point now. I don’t think Anet actually changed the ranking system though. They kept the same ranking system for the 12 “host” servers and simply sold the 12 “guest” servers into slavery.
The existing ranking system is essentially useless now because the score for one of the privileged “host” servers includes the efforts of their temporary companion(s). Unless a server is solo, the population and WvW make up is different with each new linking, and the score the “host” server gains is not necessarily representative of that named server alone any more.
In other words, linked combinations are new entities for the ranking system. This messes up the balance if you try to use glicko to create the matches, which is what we’ve seen for this linking period in NA with several server combos running away with the matches.
Unfortunately Anet and some players seem to see the historical glicko as still relevant somehow, so you get strong multi server opponents that don’t fit the tier they are put in and forum posts asking why server X has gone up (or down).
It definitely needs improvement to make sense any more.
Here’s how I see it, I’ll pick on Crystal Desert (CD) just because.
What this boils down to is this system allows the lowest/lower ranked servers like Crystal Desert to have 3 guest servers attached to it (and then gets the subsequent manual adjusted 300 (200) pt gain last week too). So CD gets all the positive with none of the negative for now. However, in the next server linking round, what this actually means is if CD does not continually get 3 guest servers linked to it, CD will be WAY OVERRANKED compared its inflated score…
…The general thought here is this forces CD to basically plummet back down the ladder or continually lose in their manually adjusted 200-300 points for several more weeks – it takes weeks to lose that much manually adjusted score; so in the next server relinking, CD will be kicked hard.
This forces WvW players on CD to either live with 8 weeks of losing miserably or to spend gems/transfer or leave WvW behind altogether.
Server linking based on Glicko score for low population servers is bad, really really bad, long-term. In the even longer run, it means even lower WvW population.
Im glad your trying to explain this
because im dying to share how anet can compare servers
that get ranking score with servers that don’t get any ranking score
in a ranking system on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranking
I can’t wait to share anet new ranking system
I’m sure anet will be world famous
with a big smile form the whole world !
Just I don’t see any explanation on how this is possible
but maybe i should just open a section on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranking
and link to all the info about how it is possible
Maybe anet can link to info on this and show on
how
to compare servers that get ranking score with servers that don’t get any ranking score
in a ranking system
works
Anet new ranking system for servers !
will be a good title for a section under the Examples of ranking
on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranking
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I thought Anet mentioned the CD adjustment (and another adjestment forgot which server) was only temporary and will not count at the re-linking. They will be based on the glicko rating without the adjustment.
Ok, I see your point now. I don’t think Anet actually changed the ranking system though. They kept the same ranking system for the 12 “host” servers and simply sold the 12 “guest” servers into slavery.
The existing ranking system is essentially useless now because the score for one of the privileged “host” servers includes the efforts of their temporary companion(s). Unless a server is solo, the population and WvW make up is different with each new linking, and the score the “host” server gains is not necessarily representative of that named server alone any more.
In other words, linked combinations are new entities for the ranking system. This messes up the balance if you try to use glicko to create the matches, which is what we’ve seen for this linking period in NA with several server combos running away with the matches.
Unfortunately Anet and some players seem to see the historical glicko as still relevant somehow, so you get strong multi server opponents that don’t fit the tier they are put in and forum posts asking why server X has gone up (or down).
It definitely needs improvement to make sense any more.
Here’s how I see it, I’ll pick on Crystal Desert (CD) just because.
What this boils down to is this system allows the lowest/lower ranked servers like Crystal Desert to have 3 guest servers attached to it (and then gets the subsequent manual adjusted 300 (200) pt gain last week too). So CD gets all the positive with none of the negative for now. However, in the next server linking round, what this actually means is if CD does not continually get 3 guest servers linked to it, CD will be WAY OVERRANKED compared its inflated score…
…The general thought here is this forces CD to basically plummet back down the ladder or continually lose in their manually adjusted 200-300 points for several more weeks – it takes weeks to lose that much manually adjusted score; so in the next server relinking, CD will be kicked hard.
This forces WvW players on CD to either live with 8 weeks of losing miserably or to spend gems/transfer or leave WvW behind altogether.
Server linking based on Glicko score for low population servers is bad, really really bad, long-term. In the even longer run, it means even lower WvW population.
This is exactly what is happening to Yaks Bend right now. YB dropped out of tier 1 after the linking and so we have to go 8 weeks with out any server linkings. There is almost no way for any single server to compete against multiple servers so it is just dropping until server linking finally links us with someone. They really need to fix rankings and linkings so that they adjust at the same time. Permanent server merging would probably be a better way than linking to keep balance also. What ever happens though, they need to come up with a way for servers not to be completely hosed because bandwagoners jumped ship and fixing how rankings and linkings are done is a big part of it.
BG seems to be doing fine as a single server matched against multiples
The server ranking has nothing to do with the linkings. I believe Anet determines the linkings based on population, not server rank.
Rank is simply how matches are determined (which is a whole separate issue because Glicko ratings stink for matchmaking). What happens when a server changes from guest to host I don’t know. If the guest server Glicko ratings haven’t changed then the matchmaking is going to be way off – I think that is what happened with the current CD as host since they were a guest last time.
I don’t think guild wars 2 should be shy
when you come up with a match making ranking system
the world have never seen before
a linked match making ranking system
It will make guild wars 2 world famous for more then just making
a computer game
We just need a wiki page that explains how it works !
And it so happens i have begone to make a wiki page on wikipedia.org
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dtorx
I’m sure guild wars 2 new linked match making ranking system will be a
game changer in the world !
And since all match making ranking system
At one point any match making ranking system start with all servers have 0 score
and they then develop there score in the match making ranking system as they
earn there score
It should be no problem to show how this new linked match making ranking
system works for everyone to understand !
And when this new linked match making ranking system is explained
maybe guild wars 2 then can explained how you can past this new
linked match making ranking system on top of an traditional group
match making ranking system as guild wars 2 have done !
Guild wars 2 have not only come up with a whole new linked match making ranking
system guild wars 2 have also come up with a whole new way to
fit two different match making ranking system together
and this will also make guild wars 2 world famous for this method !
Man guild wars 2 is going to be so world famous !
Guild wars 2 just need to explain how this works !
But since guild wars 2 have already used this in practice, it should be no problem
to explain how it works and claim the copyrights for it !
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