Guild Wars 2

Okay, so after you hit tier 3, you start getting 2 pips on average.
Since every subchest takes 25 pips, that means you need 12.5*5 minutes, or roughly an hour per sub chest.
If you stay in wvw for longer than an hour, your pip earnage goes down to 1 per tick, so then you need 2 hours per sub chest. (I really don’t get this system, why does putting in more effort translate to less pips? shouldn’t the pips go up with activity??)
As a result, you an ENTIRE day to complete the wooden chest, maybe 2 days if you need a toilet break.

As a result, I have to quit my job, break up with my GF, tell all my friends I can’t see them anymore, give up my education, and use some kind of drug so I don’t need sleep anymore, just to get past the wooden chest.

Was this system designed to keep people out of WvW, or is it’s simply become another aristocrat/bourgoise platform?

It’s a long term endeavor not a 1 hit it and quit it. Honestly i hope they do make it easier so people such as yourself who only care about rewards will go back to pve and the queues wont be terrible anymore

Packit.8576:

It’s a long term endeavor not a 1 hit it and quit it. Honestly i hope they do make it easier so people such as yourself who only care about rewards will go back to pve and the queues wont be terrible anymore

I’m actually putting some effort into it.
How would you like to work all week towards something, and on friday you log in, and all your progress in the wooden chest has been reset.
What if you work all week, and your boss says at the end
“you did a good job, here’s your payment.. oh yea, I reset your clock, so you worked zero hours, thats zero times your pay, deducting tax, you owe us money”

Look, all I’m asking for is not for my loan contract to be reset every friday before I can collect the pay.
Lets just say.. wooden.. maybe iron chest.. if you’re there the pips won’t reset every week. Then at least I can get SOMEWHERE

if you play and stay @ tier 3 participation, the worst you can do is 2 pips. That is @ the lowest rank and always 3rd place. You can never earn 1 pip…..

Liston.9708:

if you play and stay @ tier 3 participation, the worst you can do is 2 pips. That is @ the lowest rank and always 3rd place. You can never earn 1 pip…..

Sorry, can you say that in mic, so the people in the back can hear it.

This is at rank 6, been earning 1 pip per tick for a while now.. first 14 pips came with 2, since then it’s been 1 pip a tick

If you have not reached bronze level (i.e. rank < 150), and are on the last place server, you will only earn 1 pip per tick.

Eventually, the loyalty bonus should help add another pip, but apparently you need to get at least 3 wood chests for 3 weeks in a row to obtain that.

Kalendraf.9521:

If you have not reached bronze level (i.e. rank < 150), and are on the last place server, you will only earn 1 pip per tick.

Eventually, the loyalty bonus should help add another pip, but apparently you need to get at least 3 wood chests for 3 weeks in a row to obtain that.

with a system that’s designed to keep people from earning the wooden chest?

Look, I get it, I’m new, I’m not supposed to earn rewards at a pace the veterans do. I get it, and I fully support that. But that doesn’t mean I afk in WvW, I join blobs, I roam, I kill stuff, I break walls, I do my part for the community, and in return I get less reward than a skritt in the draconic mons

Amaimon.7823:

What if you work all week, and your boss says at the end
“you did a good job, here’s your payment.. oh yea, I reset your clock, so you worked zero hours, thats zero times your pay, deducting tax, you owe us money”

Actually it’s more like: “you worked x hours this week. Here is your pay for your hours. If you come back tomorrow, you collect hours for the next paycheck.”

But because you have not been on the Job the same number of years as your co-worker, you make a lower hourly rate.

Closer to real life actually.

While in make sure to use xp boosters, the guild rank booster (presuming your guild has it), and tag as much as possible. Getting your rank up to get the extra pips will help. The more you contribute the more chance you can help your server stay out of last place to gain as many pips as possible.

If possible you could also try to run during off hours to find a map with the outnumbered buff.

I’m only in the mid 200s for rank so I get your pip pain but I like how the pip system currently works and hope they don’t change it.

Strider Pj.2193:

Amaimon.7823:

What if you work all week, and your boss says at the end
“you did a good job, here’s your payment.. oh yea, I reset your clock, so you worked zero hours, thats zero times your pay, deducting tax, you owe us money”

Actually it’s more like: “you worked x hours this week. Here is your pay for your hours. If you come back tomorrow, you collect hours for the next paycheck.”

But because you have not been on the Job the same number of years as your co-worker, you make a lower hourly rate.

Closer to real life actually.

that analogy doesn’t hold, sadly. The problem is, if you don’t make 100 pips by the end of the week, you get zero reward.
100 pips = 100% of the wooden chest
99 pips = 0% of the wooden chest
98 pips = 0% of the wooden chest
1 pip = 0% of the wooden chest

you see, no matter how much you work, if you don’t hit the threshold, you get ZERO reward, not a fraction of the reward.

In real life veteran joe would’ve gotten 15 euros per hours, and newcomer jemery 11.50 per hour, but in this realty veteran joe gets a chest per hour, and newcomer jemery gets nothing per hour.

so to make your analogy work it would be:
“Joe gets 15 euros per hours, Jeremy gets 11.50 per hour. If your paycheck doesn’t say AT LEAST 100 euros at the end of the week, I’m not paying you ANYTHING.”
So Joe works 7 hours and hits the 100 euro mark, and gets his paycheck paid. Jeremy also works 7 hours, does the same hard work, sheds the same sweat, but his paycheck doesn’t reach 100 euros, his paycheck after 7 hours hits 80.50 euros, so the boss says to him “look, you did a lot of hard work, but you didn’t make it up to 100 euros, so I’m not allowed to pay you anything. Maybe next week you could 10 hours? I’m sure you can cut out some sleep to make it work”

Amaimon.7823:

Strider Pj.2193:

Amaimon.7823:

What if you work all week, and your boss says at the end
“you did a good job, here’s your payment.. oh yea, I reset your clock, so you worked zero hours, thats zero times your pay, deducting tax, you owe us money”

Actually it’s more like: “you worked x hours this week. Here is your pay for your hours. If you come back tomorrow, you collect hours for the next paycheck.”

But because you have not been on the Job the same number of years as your co-worker, you make a lower hourly rate.

Closer to real life actually.

that analogy doesn’t hold, sadly. The problem is, if you don’t make 100 pips by the end of the week, you get zero reward.
100 pips = 100% of the wooden chest
99 pips = 0% of the wooden chest
98 pips = 0% of the wooden chest
1 pip = 0% of the wooden chest

you see, no matter how much you work, if you don’t hit the threshold, you get ZERO reward, not a fraction of the reward.

In real life veteran joe would’ve gotten 15 euros per hours, and newcomer jemery 11.50 per hour, but in this realty veteran joe gets a chest per hour, and newcomer jemery gets nothing per hour

Are we really talking about completing the wooden chest? I mean that’s entry level. If you haven’t completed that, you shouldn’t get tickets.

But as I agreed in another thread, I am OK with people being given tickets for thresholds within the chests. But wooden? I doubt that is what you ran into.

Amaimon.7823:

If you stay in wvw for longer than an hour, your pip earnage goes down to 1 per tick

What?
being in wvw x amount of time has sod all (outside of bonus pips for ranks & loyalty, both of which take significantly more than a single hour) to do with pips/tick.

Where the hell did you come up with the idea that after 1 hour you drop from 2 pips to 1 pip? /scratch_head

I’m just disappointed that once again Gw2 is a grindfest. I’ve got 250 skirmish tickets from a previous WvW season and want another 100 for an armor skin.
I work full time and only really get a good 1-2 hours every saturday to play WvW, in which I make halfway progress to earning 10 skirmish tickets, which of course resets every week.

I’m sorry for having a job…

Amaimon.7823:

Was this system designed to keep people out of WvW, or is it’s simply become another aristocrat/bourgoise platform?

The system was designed as a long term goal that cannot be completed in just a couple of weeks, it rewards players that have spent thousands of hours in WvW already, and so it should, since we have received very little rewards over that time. As a new player you cannot just turn up now and expect it to be an easy grind like PVE, WvW has always required a high level of dedication if you wanted something shiny.

dedication doesn’t and shouldn’t mean sacrificing your enjoyment of everything else though. Given that pips reset, for me it’s a (non) choice between not working full time or earning progress and that’s quite crappy

Tsumiju.3071:

dedication doesn’t and shouldn’t mean sacrificing your enjoyment of everything else though. Given that pips reset, for me it’s a (non) choice between not working full time or earning progress and that’s quite crappy

exactly, the only way to get past wooden chest it to fulltime dedicate yourself for WvW, meaning you have to give up PvE AND PvP altogether.. that’s a really harsh commitment

It’s tough starting out, but if your server is ever not in last place or is outnumbered then it speeds up considerably. Once you rank up a bit, it gets even easier.

I’m not saying there’s absolutely no room for adjusting the threshold, but I’m ok with a game mode that requires sustained effort to succeed in also requiring sustained effort to get one set of rewards.

Perhaps a good solution would be not to reset pips for players who haven’t reached the wood chest yet. It wouldn’t be something people would farm as they’d lose a commitment pip and not get rewards for that week, but it would make things a bit easier on folks with minimal playtime.