Guild Wars 2

they get orbs with it too….

Portals are a perfectly valid tactic in both Keep takes and puzzles.

Well, I don’t know about the other stuff outside where there are no walls. But getting into a keep should not be possible. I know Warhammer Online there had been some skills. But here it is not possible in normal ways. And everyone trying to bypass the walls with some glitches and then abusing skills to port other users there… I think 7-14 days ban should be possible without a warning(remember they already banned for less). Report if you see somone abusing like this.

Don’t know about the jumping puzzle. If you are supposed to do the puzzle to get somewhere then it is exploting too.

Why do they even need that skill? I checked wiki and it seems it is only a few seconds duration? Seems pretty useless to me other than trying to exploit something with it.

I think the skill should be removed completely. Give them something else instead.

Luthan.5236:

Well, I don’t know about the other stuff outside where there are no walls. But getting into a keep should not be possible. I know Warhammer Online there had been some skills. But here it is not possible in normal ways. And everyone trying to bypass the walls with some glitches and then abusing skills to port other users there… I think 7-14 days ban should be possible without a warning(remember they already banned for less). Report if you see somone abusing like this.

Don’t know about the jumping puzzle. If you are supposed to do the puzzle to get somewhere then it is exploting too.

Why do they even need that skill? I checked wiki and it seems it is only a few seconds duration? Seems pretty useless to me other than trying to exploit something with it.

I think the skill should be removed completely. Give them something else instead.

It is a massively useful skill for organised play in WvW. I won’t give out exact strategies for how to use it, but it should be pretty obvious if you have done any wvw with a decent guild.

You can’t exploit with Portal. If you had a keep ninja’d from you it is because the mesmer was hiding in the keep and wasn’t found. Developers came up with this idea themselves in one of their videos.

defrule thats exactly why it shouldnt exist

Why does only one class have that skill? other classes should have it too if its going to be that groundbreaking

The only time I’ve seen portals used in a way that “MAY” be abuse was right after the dark room in the EB puzzle. Small force was holding off a big group from above the arena and any time one of their own server showed up a mesmer would drop down and leave a portal for their alies to bypass the room and avoid being slaughtered. It’s not really possible to exploit the portals for keep takes without exploiting another glitch first to get inside. Fix/ban that glitch and the portals offer no advantage for that.

Fringe cases such as a mesmer geting inside during a short lived wall breach and haveing enough time to drop a portal, get back out alive and coordinate a mass portal ussage to bypass the wall I dont see as a major issue. If they got the door/wall down long enough to slip in and you repaired it in their face too fast to get their whole force in they are probably going to bring it down agian in moments anyway.

defrule.7236:

You can’t exploit with Portal. If you had a keep ninja’d from you it is because the mesmer was hiding in the keep and wasn’t found. Developers came up with this idea themselves in one of their videos.

Then they should fix it by porting all enemies out if a keep is taken. Should not be possible to hide. Does it at least show immediately the swords at the map around the keep if some enemy is still there? Should be possible to know. If not they should make it like this.

Because this is something usually a thief class should do. And if not even the thief from outside can get in and open the doors and let others in then a mesmer should not be able to do this. If they want it to stay like this then at least the thieves should be able to bypass doors all the times.

Portals are fine except they should really have a cap on uses. Moving a small team around is a really cool concept. Porting a 50 man zerg is justkitten

If you don’t sweep any objective you wish to keep for mesmers after you’ve just taken it you don’t deserve to keep it.

After we take any keep / big objective, I say “Sweep for Mesmers”. I don’t come to the forums and complain about someone using a valid tactic, I make sure I don’t leave mesmer’s hiding in keeps…

shortcake.8659:

Portals are fine except they should really have a cap on uses. Moving a small team around is a really cool concept. Porting a 50 man zerg is justkitten

There is a cap on uses – about 15.

I agree with the OP, Mesmer’s definitely don’t need this skill. However why stop at portals? Elementalists can stand on a keep wall when they are defending and kill large numbers of people with AoE, or when they are attacking a building they can AoE from the ground and hit siege weapons on the wall. This is clearly an exploit because as a mesmer I have limited options to AoE back at them. Why do Elementalists get a groundbreaking amount of AoE and not the other classes?

Loco.4561:

After we take any keep / big objective, I say “Sweep for Mesmers”. I don’t come to the forums and complain about someone using a valid tactic, I make sure I don’t leave mesmer’s hiding in keeps…

I love the use of mesmers, its makes gameplay heaps more interesting and adds another layer to the design of the game, one that is needed to keep the game fresh and interesting.

The great thing about this game is class diversity, giving every class the aoe damage of an elementalist, the portals of a mesmer, the damage of a warrior, the traps of a ranger the X of the Y will essentially nerf all classes…. Trust me, i know this first hand coming from an MMO (that shall remain nameless) that thought they needed to start “equalizing” classes. The beauty of MMO’s is the ability of players to discover their classes and find their own preferred “niche”

My ranger has 1500 range on my longbow, i’m a bit surprised as to why other classes don’t have this range? It’s so strong that it should be given to other classes to be fair. Also my guardian can completely block pathways, this is extremely OP as invaders cant even get through the gate if it is down. I think all classes should have some blocking ability too. Hell, lets just one make one super class that should do everything.

Why should you be forced to sweep for mesmers? I mean the other stuff already is done automatically. Does it not repair the walls automatically or replace the keep lord with your own lord? Maybe this should be changed too then. Clean up and rebuild everything by yourself and buy your keeplord for a few gold first.

It’s clearly an exploit because the developers did not want the portal to be used that way. Or is there a description that says “can be used to bypass walls in WvW”. I don’t think so. They just did not think of a single person being able to to that much harm because 1 person hiding probably can’t kill the keep lord. That’s why they just ignored the possibility of someone hiding there.

And forgot about the mesmer and that some people might exploit this. Happens often. This game is still at the beginning and they have a lot work to do. Other areas showed it where a lot of bugs happend. So why not here. Do you really think they thought of this while developing and including this skill? Please don’t be silly. Then they should not have banned people producing chilli peppers with karma stuff… because if mesmers are allowed to port in a keep then this should have been allowed too.

Luthan.5236:

Why should you be forced to sweep for mesmers? I mean the other stuff already is done automatically. Does it not repair the walls automatically or replace the keep lord with your own lord? Maybe this should be changed too then. Clean up and rebuild everything by yourself and buy your keeplord for a few gold first.

It’s clearly an exploit because the developers did not want the portal to be used that way. Or is there a description that says “can be used to bypass walls in WvW”. I don’t think so. They just did not think of a single person being able to to that much harm because 1 person hiding probably can’t kill the keep lord. That’s why they just ignored the possibility of someone hiding there.

And forgot about the mesmer and that some people might exploit this. Happens often. This game is still at the beginning and they have a lot work to do. Other areas showed it where a lot of bugs happend. So why not here. Do you really think they thought of this while developing and including this skill? Please don’t be silly. Then they should not have banned people producing chilli peppers with karma stuff… because if mesmers are allowed to port in a keep then this should have been allowed too.

Yes of course, making infinite gold from karma is equal to a class using their utility skills in intended ways. . .

Nothing I have read in this thread shows how a Mesmer’s portal skill is an exploit or imbalanced. Isn’t it the fault of your side if you guys do not sweep the keep to check for hidden Mesmers? I’ve always done it with my guildies when we raid a keep to be sure and have caught 1 or 2, and we have gotten into keeps because the zergs just leave a keep after killing everything, then with the right communication we took that place back quickly with the portal.

Now tell me again how is a tactical skill used right an exploit again? So many whiners, but it’s good to see that there are SOME reasonable people here.

Jorjeis.2169:

I agree with the OP, Mesmer’s definitely don’t need this skill. However why stop at portals? Elementalists can stand on a keep wall when they are defending and kill large numbers of people with AoE, or when they are attacking a building they can AoE from the ground and hit siege weapons on the wall. This is clearly an exploit because as a mesmer I have limited options to AoE back at them. Why do Elementalists get a groundbreaking amount of AoE and not the other classes?

than nerf the Elementalists skills.. cuz its too OP for the class , just like Mesmer with portal.. if the Elementalists have this skills than at least give everyone this groundbreaking skill.. hehe.. ( Is this what the OP is trying to say ? we can start to point out every differences to change _ )

guno.9172:

defrule thats exactly why it shouldnt exist

Why does only one class have that skill? other classes should have it too if its going to be that groundbreaking

A class that brings something unique to the fight should not be removed nor diluted just because it’s unique. It’s say it’s almost a class defining ability.
Should we remove Ranger Pets just because they’re unique? Or haven’t you died to a pet, so it’s not a problem?

It’s a case of every server has the same tools available and when it’s not an exploit in any sense of that word; then it’s a matter of utilizing the tools in an organized way.

In this instance, I’ll use a meme I very rarely use; It’s a matter of L2P.

Normally, things are allowed until they are forbidden, not the other way around. If you disagree then please show me the white-list of things that are not considered an exploit.

If the devs think this kind of use of portals is “evil” or “haxxploitz” or “unfair” or whatever then they can change it. If they don’t change it then they have no problem with it.

Valid tactic. Cry moar.

When you take a fort, you check if nobody is hiding in it after, it’s part of the metagame now. Nobody can really hide, as you see tag name of your opponents and there is no invis. There is some good hidding place in certain big keep, it’s part of good player knowledge to learn where they are. This trick has never been pulled on us for keeps taken by our guild. Guess why.

LoL..how is it an exploit? is there a description that says…" Must not be used to bypass walls" ? learn to sweep for mesmers,i was hiding saw 3 enemys come looking just before the could see me i popped grp stealth, they should have spent more than 3-4 seconds looking;) they all left the keep,ported in another mesmer next thing you know we have 30 people in,thank you it’s now our keep and cost nothing:)

Mass Invisibility 5secs.

Vayra.3290:

Yes of course, making infinite gold from karma is equal to a class using their utility skills in intended ways. . .

It is NOT intended to use the skill that way. And infinite gold never was possible. ;-) Was limited by the amount of karma you made and you still had to play the game for it. Not like hacking the server and chancing some numbers to generate something out of nothing.

The issue here is that those who lack coodination are losing to those who are coordinated.

The solution is to stop crying and start organising.

Others do it so can you.

Simples.

Luthan.5236:

Vayra.3290:

Yes of course, making infinite gold from karma is equal to a class using their utility skills in intended ways. . .

It is NOT intended to use the skill that way. And infinite gold never was possible. ;-) Was limited by the amount of karma you made and you still had to play the game for it. Not like hacking the server and chancing some numbers to generate something out of nothing.

Where does it say that it is NOT intended to be used this way link please?

I think they should make something like the cow catapult for WvW. Then shooting a mesmer into the keep. Mesmer setting portal. Lolz. Would be fun?

iorlas.6721:

Where does it say that it is NOT intended to be used this way link please?

It never said that it was intended to be used this way. And you can’t just say “it is possible to use it like this” = “it is intended to be used this way”. This is wrong. We saw it with the guys buying stuff for karma and selling it for gold.

I already explained how the devs probably made a mistake and forgot about mesmers. And since the game really feels beta now this seems a better explanation like just your

“hey its allowed so it must be intended to use it that way”.

They probably only have not fixed it yet and are still discussing. Takes ages even to fix minor bugs… it seems. We all see it at the minor stuff like skill challgenges not being fixed for days in PvE when it only requires probably 5 minutes to fix the stuff.

Oh no! People are using tactics that you’re not smart enough to counter. Clearly an exploit or a glitch and people should be banned for using it.

Snort.3698:

The issue here is that those who lack coodination are losing to those who are coordinated.

The solution is to stop crying and start organising.

Others do it so can you.

Simples.

I think all the whining threads in this WvW forum can easily be answered with this post.

Of course i can say just that…i am not exploiting,i am not using a bug i am using a skill as it was created so as far as i can see i am using it “as intended”.