Guild Wars 2

i want to highlight a side effect of nighcapping crews that hasn’t been touched upon which adds to the weight or argument as to why it has to be addressed.

it’s the effect that makes those who suffer from being matched against nightcappers have no real chance during the day, or at best need to be that much stronger during the day simply to counter the effects of nightcapping.

firstly you have the effect that after about 10pm on servers who know they are going to be nighcapped in a few hours nobody wants to spend money upgrading keeps only to lose them while empty. this makes taking those keeps from 10pm till 2am (or whenever the server dies off for the night) that much easier for those who play during this timeframe.

secondly come the morning when the nightcappers have taken everything and the daytime servers begin to try to re-take their own keeps the night cappers area is all fully upgraded from the night. worst case scenario is even their own territory is fully upgraded by the night crews.
so lets say by mid afternoon they day server manages to reclaim its own territory on the maps and the fighting is even, unless the day servers population is willing to spend large amounts of money to upgrade their keeps to make them easier to defend for the next 12 hours they are always going to be the easiest target for the other 2 servers to push.
so already you have daytime servers faced with the costs of
1/ re-taking their own keeps daily (which might cost lots of siege if they have been pimped during the night
2/ having to upgrade their own keeps EVERY DAY simply to be less attractive during the next 12 hours and enable them to take the fight to the other 2 servers.

thirdly if you have permanent upgraded keeps with siege inside you by logical conclusion have more spare income to spend on attack siege this means that during the day you can use that extra funds to make your attacks that bit more effective all day long.

the over all effect is that even during the daylight hours where populations are balance what you get is the 2 weaker targets fighting each other far more than the nightcapping servers area. Why? because most folk want to take keeps and towers rather than defend all day, which means the other 2 servers will do most of their fighting against each other rather than try to re-dress the night balance by spending the whole day destroying the night cappers territory forcing them to spend money re-upgrading their keeps.
simply cos it’s easier, the end result is most of the daytime fighting goes on in the 2 daytime servers areas which simply compounds the effect of the unbalanced match every day.

something has to be done about this, currently anet is allowing the few to ruin the experience of the many , a business model that is doomed to failure. even in the next couple of months you will have maybe 4 NA and 4 EU servers viable with the rest as ghosts if this isnt addresed.

for me the simple answer is combine some NA servers with euro ones so you have 24/7 players on all servers or re-set battlegrounds daily at midday so even the mightcapping servers lose all their upgrades every day same as those who don’t have night crews.

I am EU playing on NA server. When I wake up or login, the entire WvW is either lost or owned already. Usually lost.

and can i just add this ; to those who would argue that off peak or night crews do so cos it’s their primetime.

french canadians if they want to play with folk in wvw can play on NA servers and play in daytime prime if they so choose. playing on euro french servers is an active choice , they choose to play during the servers nighttime.

same with south american spanish speakers , they can play on NA servers if they choose , but actively choose to play on eruo spanish servers knowing they will be fighting against nobody in wvw.

if you choose to play at a time where you will face no opposition in wvw then you don’t deserve to be catered for at everyones expense.

ginzo.8792:

and can i just add this ; to those who would argue that off peak or night crews do so cos it’s their primetime.

french canadians if they want to play with folk in wvw can play on NA servers and play in daytime prime if they so choose. playing on euro french servers is an active choice , they choose to play during the servers nighttime.

same with south american spanish speakers , they can play on NA servers if they choose , but actively choose to play on eruo spanish servers knowing they will be fighting against nobody in wvw.

if you choose to play at a time where you will face no opposition in wvw then you don’t deserve to be catered for at everyones expense.

So you’re saying that we do not deserve respect because we sacrifice the best 3W parts (big defenses and attacks) just to play with friends instead?

By the way it’s not that bad during the night, there are still opponents, the fights are even more strategic because it’s not just a “who has the most players and who will use clipping at best”, it’s actual tactics when you are alone inside the lord room and a group of 7-8 attackers are on their way (happened yesterday).

i never used the word respect in any sentence , i did however say we should not cater to the few at the expense of the many.

last night was another example of the form I outlined in my OP. the 2 stronger servers spend the night attacking the weaker one as it’s the easy target.
It’s crazy cos to my mind 3 server wars were to enable to 2 weaker to help counter the stronger not the 2 stronger to simply crush the weakest.

albi.9518:

ginzo.8792:

and can i just add this ; to those who would argue that off peak or night crews do so cos it’s their primetime.

french canadians if they want to play with folk in wvw can play on NA servers and play in daytime prime if they so choose. playing on euro french servers is an active choice , they choose to play during the servers nighttime.

same with south american spanish speakers , they can play on NA servers if they choose , but actively choose to play on eruo spanish servers knowing they will be fighting against nobody in wvw.

if you choose to play at a time where you will face no opposition in wvw then you don’t deserve to be catered for at everyones expense.

So you’re saying that we do not deserve respect because we sacrifice the best 3W parts (big defenses and attacks) just to play with friends instead?

By the way it’s not that bad during the night, there are still opponents, the fights are even more strategic because it’s not just a “who has the most players and who will use clipping at best”, it’s actual tactics when you are alone inside the lord room and a group of 7-8 attackers are on their way (happened yesterday).

How come every night-capping counter-argument always involves:

“Why do you disrespect xyz players?”

How does wanting a solution to night-capping having anything to do with respect or hating? I doesn’t make sense and it’s not a real argument. This is like saying “Why do you hate America” as a counter-argument against Obamacare.

It makes no sense and it’s not a fair argument.

Actually, I have yet to hear a good argument against a night-capping solution.

The only so called arguments I hear sound something like this:

1. Why do you disrespect/hate night players
2. Recruit late night guilds
3. Stop being selfish!

These argument would really hold up well in a real debate……..yeah right.

Considering that the majority of so-called night capping solutions involve punishing off peak players in some way, usually through blocking or restricting (points or access), then I’d say the disrespect line is perfectly valid.

What you need to remember is that off peak players have the exact same rights to play the game as you. You may not like what happens when you are not playing (assuming you even know what happens, many people on these forums are sadly ignorant) but you have no right to dictate what happens in those hours. Especially when the off peak players are playing to the exact ruleset defined by ANet (24×7 battles).

If you can come up with a solution that treats everyone as equals, regardless of when they play, then maybe you’ll be taken a bit more seriously.

nightcapping simply makes it a bad system.

nightcapping is the quintessence of evil

Which basically makes everyone evil because its always someone’s night.

but it doesnt have to be night for the majorioty on the server you choose to play on. it’s a choice to avoid the mainstream of players and do the nightcapping, its not a forced situation.