Guild Wars 2

In my opinion there’s a VcY missing in there somewhere.

(Couldn’t supress a laugh reading this).

First drama ever on RoS.

lol, as I said last week when this happened, guilds will always have a kind of elitism about them, it comes with the territory. Brush it off and move along, they mean nothing by it

Suspicious Nija.6790:

First drama ever on RoS.

Drama? I’m making a statement about loyalty, but I guess you missing my point?
Is question things drama?

Tricky one this. Personally I’ve not come across this exact behaviour from guilds, though it doesn’t surprise me that it happens.

I’m not sure what discussion you’d like to have though. Obviously pretty much everyone is going to agree that the guilds in question should have handled it differently and that you should probably speak to the leaders of those guilds if you have a problem with them.

The only time I’ve been on a server with an obnoxious guild on it I used to just switch maps or ignore them when they zoned in. It’s kind of annoying if you have to do that, but that’s the nature of MMOs.

Luckily GW2 seems to have a low ratio of this kind of player compared to most other games (though not sure how true that is in the higher tiers!) so if you need to calm down I suggest you go play a few games of LoL or something then you’ll feel much better about the WvW community

I can talk to you ingame Anekke. This is not a topic for the official forum i think. Especially since we have a community forum. So either on that or ingame.

Loyalty has nothing to do with any of this. Its a game and youre suppose to enjoy yourself, highly preferebly without ruining other peoples fun.

But people telling you to leave WvW so they can get their people in is laughable. They have no means authority or any leg to stand on. This elitist behavior will just cause people to not care about this commander/guild. So when they need pugs in the future, the pugs say “kitten you too”. Nobody wins.

I’ve been on the receiving end, indirectly, of this crap aswell. Where people were kittening that if you werent on the servers TS you should leave the map. I have no desire to sit in a 50man TS channel to listen every other kitten breathing into is microphone and shouting obscenities.

Needless to say, i didnt leave. I just put that commander on ignore and kept on having fun.

Why would YOU care what they say? YOU bought the game and YOU decide how to play it ;) But I have to say, I love to zerg with [DEX] ^_^

I play on RoS as well ;)

This is interesting because it highlights one of the arguments against limiting populations even further. People claimed guilds would try to scare off pugs to make room for the people they want in the map. I guess those people had a valid point.

I would like it if wvw were about loyalty and treating each other well but that hasn’t been my overall experience so far.

Suspicious Nija.6790:

I can talk to you ingame Anekke. This is not a topic for the official forum i think. Especially since we have a community forum. So either on that or ingame.

Community forums can be rather hostile for dissenting views. Usually those same elitist people in server forums beat the dissenting person into submission. Private in-game conversation is better.

@OP, could look into server transfer. There are plenty of servers that welcome everyone in WvW.

The last time i’ve seen elitism was shortly before Miller’s Sound breaking apart (they recovered). RoS got a lot of bandwaggon guilds some time ago and since they didn’t skyrocket in ratings like they might have expected to do, they are now unsatisfied.

If you are truly loyal to your server you would leave the map as requested so that a better resourced and more coordinated player could replace you.

Wow…this must have been the most elitist bs i’ve ever read in these forums…

This just shows us that the people that said it think they are some kind of gods… They are not, and you shouldnt listen to them

Grumpdogg.6910:

If you are truly loyal to your server you would leave the map as requested so that a better resourced and more coordinated player could replace you.

that is based on that there is a bether player out there and that he gets the spot instead,
if your loyal to your server you do what you think is best for the server not what someone else thinks is best

Grumpdogg.6910:

If you are truly loyal to your server you would leave the map as requested so that a better resourced and more coordinated player could replace you.

Alright, lets run with the idea that you actually find it reasonable to stop playing and having fun.

Who says that the person that gets in is actually better? It might be Trollington McUpleveld.
Who gives any guarentees that when you give up your spot to the next person in line, that person is actually a better contribution then you? And how much more must he contribute for it to be worth that you step down and stop having fun?

He could be from a big WvW guild, no guarentees he is still any good. Might be a dumb zergling that replaces someone that was solo roaming, capping camps, killing dollies, scouting, keep contesting. That sort of stuff.

Honestly, if it means dollies are getting through, camps are giving out better supply, less information is available, keeps waypoints are uncontested. Honestly, adding another zergling to the ranks of a “WvW guild blob” is NOT an improvement.

And thats why i find it completely unreasonable to ask people to leave a map. Because you have no guarentees that you actually get a player that is going to contribute better. Or let alone contribute in a noticeably better way.

And no Commander actually has that information available to make a call that you should leave because its better for the server. He likely doesnt even know who you are, let alone what it is you’ve been doing for the past couple of hours you’ve been playing. So it comes down to entitlement, elitism and arrogance.

Well it depends how they said it:
- GTFO for our members to enter you weaklings
- Please, can you move to another BL so our members can enter and get some camps/towers

I don’t have a problem with the second one.

All right we [DEX] took the time to give you our view on this entire situation.
This is the opinion of more then just me. Its taken together from a few [DEX].

So here’s how the situation was like:
DeX was raiding in RoS bl during reset without badge with around 25-30 ppl, there was no queue in our bl and we had no commander for the pugs And many weren’t even on TS with DeX (we were in the public TS), there were only 35 on Ts.
DeX was managing to wipe the enemy blob(50-60) of server 1, they had a queue in our bl. They had another group of 10-15 running around. But for that much we barely managed, while all that was going on, we kept asking for a commander for pugs but no one showed up. And when Server 2 showed up with an organized group of 30-40 We had to hurriedly go and defend hills. But we were split up and wiped once. Result ? We lost both bay and hills.
So DeX put a commander with a badge for the pugs. by splitting up we managed to get our stuff back.
Here’s a small note, we only had 1 group taking back camps and most of the times the enemies had most of the camps.

But when our pug commander had to go, we were once again left with no commander for the pugs. Slowly we lost everything again, not to mention the DeX numbers dwindled down to 15-20 and we were unable to wipe their blob and their numbers didn’t die down.
And then we were being attacked at garrison from 3 sides and had to call in the help of RiOT. But they were only able to bring in 15 or so people when a queue came up. To be able to wipe the enemy zergs and retake everything, we needed 2 groups going around atleast.
So one of DeX asked non-DeX/RiOT to make slots for RiOT so we have a chance to wipe the enemy blobs and retake everything. He had also explained that we need organized groups to be able to wipe them, which is why we needed RiOT in there. By that time we had only Garrison left.
Thanks to the people who listened, RiOT was able to get enough people in and we were able to retake our whole bl. And I would like to thank those ppl who listened.

Now,
1) The Home bl is one of the maps where you fight 2 enemies at once. And the only way to defend it, especially when it’s wooden, is to having 2 Organized groups going around, if you only have 1 you WILL lose things.
I don’t think it’s wrong to ask for slots for an organized group inside the home bl. The enemy bl is an other thing though. There you are on the offense and not really defending important structures, asking for slots there IS rude.

2) RoS is a low population server, if we have a queue in 1 bl, the other ones are mostly empty. So when we asked for slots in RoS BL, they had EB (had comander), or the other 2 bl (not sure if there was commander) to go to, there were no queues there.
Now if the other 3 bl had a queue too, then I would also not find it agreeable to get ppl to leave WvW in total. Asking people to relocate to another bl should be not a crime when it’s your own bl.

3) What is loyalty ? Is it Fighting for your server, not being able to defend properly against the enemy blobs and wiping and losing important structures or is it thinking of your server and maybe relocating to another bl so a more organized can get inside. Many times I’ve changed bl without even being asked to because there’s a queue and an organized needing ppl in the bl and since I’m not running with my guild or tag, am just a random pug.

4) Just fyi, It was a DeX guy who asked for people to make slots of RiOT. So it wasn’t people looking to get people from their own guild in. But it was another guild asking slots for people from another guild so we could clean up our own bl, DeX already had all the people in the home bl and there was no queue until RiOT showed up.

5) And no we don’t think ourselves Gods or anything, but it’s a fact that an organized group can wipe enemies much more effectively than a pug group can. Even if DeX had turned on their tag and blobbed up the whole bl and had everyone listened, we would’ve still been left with only garrison because we couldn’t split up and were being attacked by 1 blob, 1 big zerg and a small group of 15. Having another organized was our only option.
That or DeX just abandons the bl so that we didn’t own everything and capped something else in another bl. because that would be more use for our manpower.

6) And Lavra please keep your bullkitten to yourself please. DeX is an original RoS guild and VcY and RiOT came here when we didn’t have anything else but, DEX, GoA and pugs, so you can’t call them bandwagoners.
And saying bad things about them without any facts or anything just because you think so is easy to do.
BNF are pansies who are unskilled for big zerg fighting so they stick with ganking upscaled and random pugs with organized groups of 4-8. It’s easy to say things like that no ? Does that make it true, you tell me.

Anneke, while verbose and wandering, hopefully Nija explained what went on. I was there repping DeX, and there was an amount of desperation to rescue our position in BL and recap. It may not have been worded too well at the time, but, and this is poor excuse, please remember that Commanders are having to make quick decisions, and both type and TS manically to make things happen. It was a big effort to ask this favour of RiOT.

The great irony is that the “please leave” comment was not wholly directed at players like yourself, ie those that have 80s and are giving funds back gained in raiding or whatever, but rather the folk that effectively go afk, eg while craft levelling, inventory organising, on bio break, or loitering while using WvW as a shortcut to LA. And these latter wouldn’t even read the msg.

There are many players that drop funds, please do not be discouraged or think your efforts and expense are unappreciated – even if it’s not said, they definitely, definitely are – Thanks.

@OP

You shouldn’t take stuff this type of stuff personal because it seems you got very upset with it. You are of course able to enjoy the game the way you want to enjoy yourself but in certain situations when we have a queue on our border and our border needs help asap, we are forced to request this type of stuff.

It has nothing to do with “elitism”, we dedicate our guilds fully to WvW, we run organised while you are following a pug commander (no pun intended). We are just more helpful in that situation because we sit on teamspeak and are “specialised” in wiping blobs.

It’s that or lose our keep/border which you invested your very own money in as you said. All I can say is do not take this stuff personal, it’s WvW, it’s a competitive scene… competition can come with these situations occuring, our main problem is that we only have 3 major guilds as you stated so we have to switch borders back and forth 24/7, which is kinda stressful.

RiOT does not force you to leave a border, the only thing we do ask is pugs to not run with us if they are not on Teamspeak and do not run appriopriate gear (PTV), this is mainly because we fight outnumbered fights and one person dying could mean a rally up to 5 enemies and completely flip a fight.

Please in the future refrain from posting this type of stuff on the forums, we have community forums for this and we will always listen to our people but what we don’t want is people to have a bad image of our server, hope you understand.

Link to our community forums: http://www.ruinsofsurmia.enjin.com

Suspicious Nija.6790:

First drama ever on RoS.

Speaking as a founding member of DEX, I can assure you it’s not.

I’m glad I left early.

My post should have covered most of it, could a moderator please put a lock on this?

Or remove RiOT from posts in this topic as we have literally no connection to what happened? Thank you!

Herr der Friedhoefe, i can assure you that this is the first drama in a long time, we had sometimes disagrees between commanders but that was not shown to the pugs. From what i heard of other servers we have very less offensive talking in RoS. I cant let you insult our community, nearly all guilds play together and respect each other. We welcome everyone on teamspeak so pls dont write anything that taints our servers reputation without any kind of facts.
I dont say that i know what happened when you were on this server, i never played with you, i dont know you. You may have been a founding member of DEX but the DEX we are not is not what it was when you were there.
Many people that joined our server appreciate the tight community and the teamwork with which we work during the matches.

WingedDestinyX.1423:

Why would YOU care what they say? YOU bought the game and YOU decide how to play it

This. You bought a game. You have the right to play it the way you want. And where you want. If others are not happy, their problem not yours.

Just ignore them.

Don’t worry, we get this behavior on our server too. Just keep doing your thing and ignore them. We’ve flipped camps and stalked yaks and guards with a 3 man roving band and been told the same thing. Basically if you’re not in a big wvw guild you’ll run into this sort of ignoramus. If they don’t have a pin up for folks there’s no way they can expect you to know what they’re doing. And yeah, it feels like a slap in the face.