Guild Wars 2

I’m in YBBL. I was really hoping to drop to T2 this week. There’s no balance in sight. I won’t partake.

Please fix.

Don’t worry, I’ll be sitting out most of this week as well.

Welp let’s pack it up boiz

TCBL here. Matchups didn’t change, not even the color rotation changed, for the third week in a row. I’m also sitting out this week; it’s just not fun any more. I’d like to actually fight some other worlds for a change.

blobblobblobblobblobblob

This is a boring matchup, it was stale last week, stale the week before. A match that’s decided (by population/coverage) in the first second isn’t worth participating.

random youtube vids > gw2

why fix what isnt broken

hip.8435:

I’m in YBBL. I was really hoping to drop to T2 this week. There’s no balance in sight. I won’t partake.

Please fix.

Yep me as well. With all the stuff locked, cant even move to t2 or t3. So just sit it out, see if and when things change.

Ruru.1302:

why fix what isnt broken

It’s always been broken and many things still have not been fixed.

Yes I am from YB and will be taking a break as well.

I have seen Anet employee symbols in WvW the last month or so and they know how imbalanced the server WvW population is but yet implement more stupid things to create a more imbalanced population and benefit servers with high populations (door nerf etc, I know we’ll lower dmg % so 60 man blob can take it down in 2 mins without siege, yeah that’ll help).

Why should I, as a player spend hours in a game variation knowing all my and my fellow players hard work is going to be outdone by a mass blob time and time again with nothing to defend against it and no nothing should be in destructive or not able to be capped, people hark on about siege and yes YB is known for its defensive capabilities with siege but in the current state of game they are pretty much useless as any player in WvW knows they can be taken down by Ele unless they are 10ft inside a keep/tower.

Not sure how it is on TC. With us on YB, not seeing tags, not seeing players. Think allot of us are simply sitting out WvW. Could be allot of people are just gonna stop playing til we are moved back to T2. I know allot of casuals see the Horrible lop sided score and stay away.

Lmao rather be a salt mine than a sea of salt

BlobGate / ET bandwagon Server
Looks like all boys wanna be on the winning server and the other ppl are bought. Blobs PPT tryhard.
This is to fix. Relink every week would stop this bandwagon effect.

Sorry, i forgot the Brothers Grimm’s “Hibernate Story”… /ironic mode on: BG had all the ppl before. /ironic mode off

Yup.. I’m on TCBL and the match up is stale.. BG is just too blobbed.. It’s boring now.

Remove ET from BG!!!!!!!!!!!! They don’t need a paired server!! Give ET to the lowest ranked server and be done with it.

TCBL, unlike YBBL, has commanders and a much better WvW community that don’t just “give up” completely..

RodOfDeath.5247:

random youtube vids > gw2

Ah, youtube. The only place with more kittens than GW2.

Oh you want more excuses?
YB is using BG’s KDR tactics: Run in a blob and stomp all in the ground with your 50+ ppl blob. If you dont have a blob: run away, port or take a break. So they decide the break
But also on the KDR you can see some bad YB they play patriots and fight the blobs. They shouldnt mix it up with loyalty to YB.

This XVX guy on 2nd post is funny. XVX biggest PvD blob guild running open field siege. Where (what server) you was a few weeks/month ago?

YB’s main problem is not related to “being outnumbered” or “enemy blobs”. What I’ve seen in WVW personally especially the last couple of months is YB groups that lose fights very quickly when they have equal or greater numbers. Also large (30+) YB groups that run the moment they see enemy forces bigger then a roaming group. Lastly, the huge dependency on seige….dont’ think this is true of “all YB” but a significant percentage.

This isn’t a problem that Anet population balancing can fix, it’s a gameplay issue that individual guilds need to work on. Not trying to dig at YB in particular, I’m tired of seeing losses being blamed “we’re outblobbed” in situations where that isn’t the main issue.

Yup. Am on NSP. Just can’t face off against HoD anymore. The blobfest is getting so, so dull. The SEA guilds kill us at night.

Yeah, as much as I like the ‘reward track’ I can’t see myself getting into WvW as much for the next while, or even onto GW2 at all.

Time for a break.

Tier 1 has always been a quarantine zone for terrible players that need to blob with said blobs hugging siege near objectives. Blackgate has more players to do this lowest-common-denominator ‘winning’ scenario. This is just the inevitable outcome of transferring to servers with the prevalent mission of quantity over quality. The quantity goes to the biggest server. The real solution is to not care about winning PPT such as others have figured out 2-3 years ago in Tier 2. Back then servers purposely tied each other then just fought in an open field with relatively even numbers all night. Easy net solution would be to increase PPK and punishing bandwagoning to the next blob-over-skill server (typically will be Blackgate) by swapping guest servers.

I’m on TC, and I’ve been having a lot of fun the past couple of weeks. Sure, things get pretty rough at times, but that’s part of what makes it fun. If it wasn’t challenging, it would be boring as hell, and I’d be playing something else. Sure, our numbers have dropped significantly, but every server has their fair weather players that come out for the easy matches and fade away during the tough ones, so that’s to be expected. But it’s good to see how many are still coming out in the face of impossible odds, who will get knocked down but not knocked out. Brings back a lot of fond memories, and makes me pretty optimistic about the future of the server. So… yeah, I don’t really have any complaints about the matchup, and I hope we get to face BG every week because they’ve always provided the challenge that we need. TC’s always needed its back to be against the wall, broken and bleeding, to be at its best. Sure, we’re losing fair weathers, but we’re also making new zombies.

hip.8435:

I’m in YBBL. I was really hoping to drop to T2 this week. There’s no balance in sight. I won’t partake.

Please fix.

Yay for balance!

I’m with Phantom (often in the evening, standing right next to you or on the same map actually.) Some of the shiny is wearing off. Absolutely. Really my only major complaint is the lack of a public tag. But see this is where I don’t go off the rails and take other people to task about that. I have a tag. Therefore if I’m not willing to use it I am certainly not going to give other people crap about running in a private group.

We still have a number of players who are playing that took a long break. Faces I haven’t seen in over a year are returning. It got a bit quieter and I’m not sure that is a bad thing.

As people point out every year around this time, it is also the beginning of summer for many of us. Outdoors is a much more attractive option especially on the weekend.

Plus I just bought Doom and Overwatch.

For the underdog-server players in this thread, please ignore comments from overstacked servers that get/want free wins. This isn’t actually about them, even if they would like it to be.

ArenaNet has exasperated the long-running imbalance in WvW wherein player count & wvw hours put into a match outweigh essentially every other factor.

When you combine a mode that prizes player count above all + add $6.25 transfers to an insta-win server + reintroduce the old claustrophobic map + make game changes that favor blobbing even more, then this is the result.

When your highest-participation matchup is predetermined, that’s bad. The players on the forced-loss server/servers will tune out. Players are actually your content for a pvp mode. Analyze the situation and fix this before what should be a flagship game mode turns to total trash.

When you are in a match that is over before it started, you can either go do something else or look for “little victories” that can be quite fun. Blue borderland Bay on reset had a blast. TC to the left – BG to the right. Last team standing after who knows how long was YB.

Did that stand “win” anything? No – it probably flipped 10 minutes after it got upgraded as we logged out. Was it fun? Yes – It was fun, win or lose, because of how long it lasted and how many pushes we survived.

TBH, “BG” ing T2 last year was way less fun. I hardly played then myself. That said, come on DB you can do it.

Liston.9708:

When you are in a match that is over before it started, you can either go do something else or look for “little victories” that can be quite fun. Blue borderland Bay on reset had a blast. TC to the left – BG to the right. Last team standing after who knows how long was YB.

Did that stand “win” anything? No – it probably flipped 10 minutes after it got upgraded as we logged out. Was it fun? Yes – It was fun, win or lose, because of how long it lasted and how many pushes we survived.

TBH, “BG” ing T2 last year was way less fun. I hardly played then myself. That said, come on DB you can do it.

That has some appeal, but I don’t think it has enough appeal to enough players that I’d bet my game mode on it.

But as an individual, I have more fun things to do with my time, I would not recommend the game mode to a friend, and bothering to score points this week lowers my chance of getting an interesting matchup next week.

Even the current face-stomp seems unlikely to lose YB enough Glicko rating to have a > 50% chance of scoring a T2 match next week.

So, to ANet, what’s the incentive to play?

misterman.1530:

Yup. Am on NSP. Just can’t face off against HoD anymore. The blobfest is getting so, so dull. The SEA guilds kill us at night.

Yeah, as much as I like the ‘reward track’ I can’t see myself getting into WvW as much for the next while, or even onto GW2 at all.

Time for a break.

I’m guessing you don’t play NA timezone with your SEA comment and that you think HoD is the blobby server out of the three…NSP can pop 2 sets of OJs on a BL no problem. I see it every afternoon/night I play. I’m willing to bet you don’t see outnumbered buff on your BL and EB on reset? DH does. I’d kill for your numbers. NSP has legions of ppl compared to DH and a bit more than HoD. Scorewise you’d do better if your guilds didn’t voltron up and nuthug, you could cover more of the map(s).

This matchup is beyond boring for guilds looking to fight other solo guild groups. That’s mostly why DH has been hemorrhaging guilds and vets. My guild who raids with 15ish can’t find many fights with another guild without them popping OJs. I’ve seen only 1 guild group on NSP that doesn’t constantly nuthug([noob] guild I think it is). I guessing they’re the only guild with closed raids? Talk about boring matchups. YAWN. I’m definitely glad I bought Overwatch and have 2 other GW2 accts. PvP and WvW are dead in GW2. Most of the pros and streamers are off to Overwatch. It’s too bad really, because GW2 combat had sooooo much potential.

JDjitsu.7895:

Talk about boring matchups. YAWN. I’m definitely glad I bought Overwatch and have 2 other GW2 accts. PvP and WvW are dead in GW2. Most of the pros and streamers are off to Overwatch. It’s too bad really, because GW2 combat had sooooo much potential.

Is Overwatch good? The UI looks like a christmas tree/disaster to me for a shooter, but it’s that or Stellaris for me.

JDjitsu.7895:

I’m guessing you don’t play NA timezone with your SEA comment and that you think HoD is the blobby server out of the three…NSP can pop 2 sets of OJs on a BL no problem. I see it every afternoon/night I play. I’m willing to bet you don’t see outnumbered buff on your BL and EB on reset? DH does. I’d kill for your numbers. NSP has legions of ppl compared to DH and a bit more than HoD. Scorewise you’d do better if your guilds didn’t voltron up and nuthug, you could cover more of the map(s).

The reason you don’t see HoD as “blobby” is because, from what we’ve seen, DH’s strategy is to avoid HoD at all costs. NSP would probably leave you alone if you’d just hit HoD more than you do. But that’s just my observation.

Yes, we do outnumber you. However, our focus, as should be yours, is on HoD/Ebay.

Fatherbliss.4701:

I’m with Phantom (often in the evening, standing right next to you or on the same map actually.) Some of the shiny is wearing off. Absolutely. Really my only major complaint is the lack of a public tag. But see this is where I don’t go off the rails and take other people to task about that. I have a tag. Therefore if I’m not willing to use it I am certainly not going to give other people crap about running in a private group.

We still have a number of players who are playing that took a long break. Faces I haven’t seen in over a year are returning. It got a bit quieter and I’m not sure that is a bad thing.

As people point out every year around this time, it is also the beginning of summer for many of us. Outdoors is a much more attractive option especially on the weekend.

Plus I just bought Doom and Overwatch.

I am with Phantom and Father Bliss on this. I may be playing wvw a bit less being paired with TC(Kaineng) due to the BG blobfest, but am still playing out there and trying to support our pairing partners. I, too, have a tag, and won’t use it…..so if others want to make their tags private, that’s their business.

And yea, the matchup is getting a bit dull. Fortunately, I have a second account on T4 that I can retreat to for variety. Plus, I also have tons of other games I can play.

And there is always my HoT masteries to work on.

Liston.9708:

Did that stand “win” anything? No – it probably flipped 10 minutes after it got upgraded as we logged out. Was it fun? Yes – It was fun, win or lose, because of how long it lasted and how many pushes we survived.

This is exactly why I play wvw. For the sheer fun of those long lasting battles, be they large or small. When I can’t get or find those, I enjoy just trying to be a bother to an enemy server by taking camps and/or helping with causing distractions on the map.
I also enjoy scouting/providing intel from time to time.(yea, ok, I’m weird….lol)

But, I also agree with Heimlich…….for a lot of other players, there needs to be more incentive to play wvw. The reward tracks were a good baby step in that direction, and the upcoming scoring changes sound good, too.

EU wvw prime t1, “desert killed wvw, empty maps hurr durr hurr” yeah beaquse this looks so alive lol, daed geam.

http://imgur.com/7Uo3bYd

misterman.1530:

JDjitsu.7895:

I’m guessing you don’t play NA timezone with your SEA comment and that you think HoD is the blobby server out of the three…NSP can pop 2 sets of OJs on a BL no problem. I see it every afternoon/night I play. I’m willing to bet you don’t see outnumbered buff on your BL and EB on reset? DH does. I’d kill for your numbers. NSP has legions of ppl compared to DH and a bit more than HoD. Scorewise you’d do better if your guilds didn’t voltron up and nuthug, you could cover more of the map(s).

The reason you don’t see HoD as “blobby” is because, from what we’ve seen, DH’s strategy is to avoid HoD at all costs. NSP would probably leave you alone if you’d just hit HoD more than you do. But that’s just my observation.

Yes, we do outnumber you. However, our focus, as should be yours, is on HoD/Ebay.

The problem, for 3+ years already, has been that there’s zero incentive for the 3rd place server to hit the leading server. Better to poach points off of the 2nd place server … making the match even less competitive.

JDjitsu.7895:

misterman.1530:

Yup. Am on NSP. Just can’t face off against HoD anymore. The blobfest is getting so, so dull. The SEA guilds kill us at night.

Yeah, as much as I like the ‘reward track’ I can’t see myself getting into WvW as much for the next while, or even onto GW2 at all.

Time for a break.

I’m guessing you don’t play NA timezone with your SEA comment and that you think HoD is the blobby server out of the three…NSP can pop 2 sets of OJs on a BL no problem. I see it every afternoon/night I play. I’m willing to bet you don’t see outnumbered buff on your BL and EB on reset? DH does. I’d kill for your numbers. NSP has legions of ppl compared to DH and a bit more than HoD. Scorewise you’d do better if your guilds didn’t voltron up and nuthug, you could cover more of the map(s).

This matchup is beyond boring for guilds looking to fight other solo guild groups. That’s mostly why DH has been hemorrhaging guilds and vets. My guild who raids with 15ish can’t find many fights with another guild without them popping OJs. I’ve seen only 1 guild group on NSP that doesn’t constantly nuthug([noob] guild I think it is). I guessing they’re the only guild with closed raids? Talk about boring matchups. YAWN. I’m definitely glad I bought Overwatch and have 2 other GW2 accts. PvP and WvW are dead in GW2. Most of the pros and streamers are off to Overwatch. It’s too bad really, because GW2 combat had sooooo much potential.

Nsp/SF has a bit more people than HoD/Ebay? What?

https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/na/wvw
Check it out! Ebay in 12 place, last week and the week before they were ranked 11th. Meaning, pretty much the entirety of paired matches we’ve been fighting a pair of 2 hosts, one of which is still open to transfers right now! So, yeah, they’ve got more numbers than anyone in the T4 match.

tym.3791:

With all the stuff locked, cant even move to t2 or t3.

Not sure what you’re talking about. Eleven servers are open for transfer including ones linked to T2 and T3 match-ups.

Chaba.5410:

tym.3791:

With all the stuff locked, cant even move to t2 or t3.

Not sure what you’re talking about. Eleven servers are open for transfer including ones linked to T2 and T3 match-ups.

For 6 more weeks, after which they’ll be re-mixed.

And the only 2 medium population servers in NA are the minor partners facing up against the overstacked blob. That’s a funny coincidence.

Heimlich.3065:

JDjitsu.7895:

Talk about boring matchups. YAWN. I’m definitely glad I bought Overwatch and have 2 other GW2 accts. PvP and WvW are dead in GW2. Most of the pros and streamers are off to Overwatch. It’s too bad really, because GW2 combat had sooooo much potential.

Is Overwatch good? The UI looks like a christmas tree/disaster to me for a shooter, but it’s that or Stellaris for me.

Overwatch is fantastic, very addictive, I play it instead of spvp now.

The UI seems OK to me, it does need more social features though.

morrolan.9608:

Heimlich.3065:

JDjitsu.7895:

Talk about boring matchups. YAWN. I’m definitely glad I bought Overwatch and have 2 other GW2 accts. PvP and WvW are dead in GW2. Most of the pros and streamers are off to Overwatch. It’s too bad really, because GW2 combat had sooooo much potential.

Is Overwatch good? The UI looks like a christmas tree/disaster to me for a shooter, but it’s that or Stellaris for me.

Overwatch is fantastic, very addictive, I play it instead of spvp now.

The UI seems OK to me, it does need more social features though.

That’s cool, I just been watching RL Stine’s The Haunting Hour on netflix. I suggest you all watch it.

FWIW I’m on Blackgate and I’m not one for blobbing. I prefer 20-person groups. Enough for it to be MMO but not enough to be overzealous. (I hate it when sometimes we win a fight with a blob against a lesser amount and act like it was skill.)

However some of the commanders I like to follow are very good and their guildmates are fun to be around. It’s the nature of socialization that they tend to attract more players. Which leads to a blob effect. So blobbing is inevitable when you have a minimal amount of talented commanders in your pool — or minimal amount logged in at the time.

Last night, I looked at our preliminary server groups to see who was going to be on what color borderland. The blue map was quite empty. Most of the guilds were slated for red and green. Not sure why. (I’m not in a guild.) One guild had split into two 20-ish man groups for one color — and I was certainly proud of them for doing that. I wasn’t there to see what happened in the end. So I can’t vouch for their merit. But they’re good people and I’m sure their intentions were to break down the blobfest. Two other guilds had their normal 30+ queued for a different color although I doubt they got that many on the borderland at reset.

EBG I don’t even look at. PUG central and always packed with craziness.

Then there was blue. Two commanders were queued for it and their numbers were very small. 10 in one, about 15 in another. This was the queue I joined because I wanted to steer clear of the blob. I missed being with my favorite commanders. But seriously those other borderlands were packed!

Turns out that TC was broken up into 20-man squads. That was great and all. But when the BG commanders tried to fight them, the fight would attract all TC squads and it ended up being an overwhelming fight. BG lost a LOT. heh So much so that I decided it was more worthwhile to roam and havoc than to give TC a constant influx of points. Then that got old.

So I went to play Overwatch. The end.

As far as YB is concerned, I don’t plan to sit this week out. But it sure gets boring some days when you’re only fighting 1 other server for the most part. I’ve always been on BG and would miss my friends. But if it would balance the servers, I might be willing to move.

edit: changed 20+ to 20-man for clarity

HazyDaisy.4107:

Nsp/SF has a bit more people than HoD/Ebay? What?

https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/na/wvw
Check it out! Ebay in 12 place, last week and the week before they were ranked 11th. Meaning, pretty much the entirety of paired matches we’ve been fighting a pair of 2 hosts, one of which is still open to transfers right now! So, yeah, they’ve got more numbers than anyone in the T4 match.

So, essentially, Anet decided that pairing the 10th (HoD) and 12th (Ebay), the 11th (NSP) and 15th (SF), and 13th (DH) and 16th (FC) made for a balanced WvW match-up?

I knew something was screwy with the numbers these past few weeks.

Why are YB complaining about having less numbers out than BG? Not even 2 months ago, we were in a position of being constantly outnumbered across SEA and EU as YB would k-train our BL. I never ever heard a BG guild utter that they’d stop playing a week in order to drop down a tier for ‘more fair’ competition.. yet here yb is, with their main guilds not even bothering as they now have opposition on their strongest timezone (EU).. The fact is that for months you were playing a sever 50-75% of your population, and we still put up a good fight, where in some weeks were close to 20K off coming first on ppt.. and you are salty why?

You got what you wanted. YB wanted into Tier 1, TC wanted into Tier 1 to beat BG and because of the egos of some guys. Have fun in your matchup and more fun by getting farmed by BG!

edit: T.1 is kitten?

Ali.7041:

Why are YB complaining about having less numbers out than BG? Not even 2 months ago, we were in a position of being constantly outnumbered across SEA and EU as YB would k-train our BL. I never ever heard a BG guild utter that they’d stop playing a week in order to drop down a tier for ‘more fair’ competition.. yet here yb is, with their main guilds not even bothering as they now have opposition on their strongest timezone (EU).. The fact is that for months you were playing a sever 50-75% of your population, and we still put up a good fight, where in some weeks were close to 20K off coming first on ppt.. and you are salty why?

It’s not complaining about having less numbers than BG, it’s complaining about having less numbers than BandwagonGate /ET. Anet saved BG in tier1 bypassing BG’s server status as a full server. So BG could buy a lot of guilds and got this “wanna-play-on-winning-server-kids” and is running 80+ ppl blobs on every map for karma train. I also can understand your happiness about this server pairing after 8 month losing with your own population. Was a hard time for BG.
But in 1 Point you are right: BG dropped down a Tier for 1 week by losing and not by stop playing.

One server pairing got a massive influx of players because ANet allowed $6.25 (now up to $12.50) transfers into the already biggest server. This has created a gamemode that’s distinctly boring and not enjoyable to play against.

All the rude comments from BG (and former BG) folks in this thread don’t change that. ANet broke T1. It happens that your server benefitted from it, but that could have happened to any of 4 servers.

:o what if linked system means more profit, so banwagons move more often, or being forced to move to the winning servers? XD

/me grabs the thin hat foil.

RodOfDeath.5247:

random youtube vids > gw2

Hell, even gw2forums > gw2, for the last seven months.

Aeolus.3615:

:o what if linked system means more profit, so banwagons move more often, or being forced to move to the winning servers? XD

/me grabs the thin hat foil.

Despite the fact there is little personal incentive to do so, there are no tournament rewards or anything specifically tied to a servers performance that would encourage one to transfer to a winning server. Generally people transfer for a more preferable playing environment or for more personal reasons, to play with a guilds, friends, family etc. Some people want to keep throwing around this ridiculous idea that we are getting so many transfers, always looking for something else to blame, whats next blame ET’s massive zergs? Make up stories about how BG has 80 ppl on all maps all day? Give me a break, they need to stop making excuses and try to realize that its actually possible to have fun without winning every week.

As someone from NSP, yes, we do outnumber both DH and HoD during prime time, this shows on PPT, during the last reset night when I went to bad we were 6k ahead and logged in to a 10k deficit on the following day.

This match-up isn’t decided on prime time, but by the SEA guilds from HoD that hits doors night after night, specially ours as I heard that every night we end up even losing our keep in EB at least once every night and always take some time to get it back, now imagine for how long they hold SMC uncontested.

For DH the match-up is dull because they lack numbers, for us on NSP it’s dull because it’s impossible to win as HoD night capping is too strong.

nsleep.7839, so true…. that just proves that the linking system is not the solution, that is how i see it…or at least not the only solution to be done.

Empty time zones VS active time zones, how much tweaks they do will always be the problem, add the bandwaggons, it will remain the same…

./begone_forum_bug_i_expel_you!!!!

nsleep.7839:

As someone from NSP, yes, we do outnumber both DH and HoD during prime time, this shows on PPT, during the last reset night when I went to bad we were 6k ahead and logged in to a 10k deficit on the following day.

This match-up isn’t decided on prime time, but by the SEA guilds from HoD that hits doors night after night, specially ours as I heard that every night we end up even losing our keep in EB at least once every night and always take some time to get it back, now imagine for how long they hold SMC uncontested.

For DH the match-up is dull because they lack numbers, for us on NSP it’s dull because it’s impossible to win as HoD night capping is too strong.

I know what that is like from my time on SoR during its time in tier 1 where it lacked the ocx/sea coverage compared to BG/JQ. I hope the upcoming scoring changes will make things a little more fair and balance out matches, and make coverage gaps a little less of a problem for servers to have to deal with. Despite what some people might think winning by 100-200k is not really fun.

Aeolus.3615:

nsleep.7839, so true…. that just proves that the linking system is not the solution, that is how i see it…or at least not the only solution to be done.

Not by itself no, because it has to be combined with the scoring changes. Because there are two different issues here, one with coverage one with scoring mechanics.