Guild Wars 2

When we have raid dungeon to get the best equipment for WvW.
What is the difference between GW2 and WOW,
Do we have to chasing some high end weapon after every patch in the future?
I am afraid now : (

current scenario makes me think LOTRO still have the best gear progression in MMO.

nope. best gear not dungeon only but farm only (legendary)

they didn’t annonce anything about it yet.
but if we read the facts for now…. the stuffs ( arms/armures) you can get them by doing WvW or Pve, but for ex the jewelry were always an item of crafting ( so you need to pve to get them).
si i guess ( my opinion only, till Anet make some officiel post about it) we will get some better arms/armures in the WvW, but there will always be few items that wee need to pve to get them.

Crafted/dropped exotic armor has equal stats with dungeon armor.

Beside the stats difference between rare and exotic is not much.

Wrong. Level 80 Exotic gear can be purchased many ways, Karma for the Temples in Orr, Invader Badges in WvW, Dungeon tokens, using gold for the Trading Post

They made it very easy to get 80 exotic gear if you know your way around the game

Actually Splitrr you can’t get exotic weapons that ares Power/Toughness/Vitality with badges or karma. You can only get them in dungeons or for gold. Why they didn’t make token set for every stat combination is a little beyond me. I think they consider wvwvw a chunk of pve and so they think pure wvwvwers don’t exist.

This subject has gotten to epic propotions on any forum.
They realy dropped a bombshell trough their community and many dint take it lightly.

They flat out lied to us when saying it will have horizontal gear progresion.
Its only 3 months out and they already invited the wow gear grinders.
Nothing against that tough as i understand they need to earn more money, but not offering the same qaulity gear at WvW vendors is just making many people furious.

WvW was already becomming a joke, with the new tier gear it has become who got ze best gearz bros.
Ashame realy, i tought Anet would have been diffrent then all those other mmo studio’s, but it seems me and many others are fooled once again.

NullMad.4370:

Actually Splitrr you can’t get exotic weapons that ares Power/Toughness/Vitality with badges or karma. You can only get them in dungeons or for gold. Why they didn’t make token set for every stat combination is a little beyond me. I think they consider wvwvw a chunk of pve and so they think pure wvwvwers don’t exist.

??? You can indeed get them with WvW badges, half of my weapons are P/V/T invader weapons, I was not aware you could buy P/V/T on the trading post but I never checked tbh

I am hoping, really hoping, that we will have a wvw gear progression as well.

I think the success of wvw has taken Anet by surprise, and they might have thought initially that it would be done by PVE players who would get in wvw occasionally.

On my server, the wvw players hardly do any PVE at all, and I am there with them. I’ll explore / heart etc while levelling, and farm Orr a bit to buy siege and that’s it.
I have no interest in dungeons (this game changed me from a dungeon crawler to a dungeon hater) jumping puzzles etc… and I now wonder if people in my category will be able to remain competitive at all in wvw.

Disable gear stats in WvW and make it like sPvP before half the WvW population drops GW2.
Or bring on on par Gear with the new Dungeons bought with Karma / badges.

Not doing anything within the upcomming days will be devestating to the WvW community.
Think its safe to say that something needs to be done a s a p before stuff get out of hands, it already is if you look at the discussions.

Splintrr.7391:

Wrong. Level 80 Exotic gear can be purchased many ways, Karma for the Temples in Orr, Invader Badges in WvW, Dungeon tokens, using gold for the Trading Post

They made it very easy to get 80 exotic gear if you know your way around the game

Sentinel VX.1392:

Crafted/dropped exotic armor has equal stats with dungeon armor.

Beside the stats difference between rare and exotic is not much.

You guys seem to have missed the memo, Anet have thrown their principles in the bin and added a gear treadmill, that is only available by running the new FOTM dungeon, try looking up ascended gear, exotic is no longer the top tier in a couple of slots, no doubt it will be increased to more slots in the future.

Enjoy the lack of WvW queues.

Aye Sylosi thats why half of our guilds starts a new chaptor in Planetside 2 tomorow.
We werent sure before this, but anet made our choice real easy for us to bail out to the next mmo.

To many or better said way to less love from Anet for WvW.
To little to late now, no matter how many promises are going to be made, they broke 1 major promise and that brothers and sisters made all the diffrence.

NullMad.4370:

Actually Splitrr you can’t get exotic weapons that ares Power/Toughness/Vitality with badges or karma.

^this is wrong. You can get P/V/T gear for badges from WvW vendors. Exotics for badges, rares for karma.

Also, why are people here arguing about where one can obtain “Exotics” as the best gear in the game. Did you guys miss the massive patch we had 3 days ago releasing “Ascended” gear that is dungeon-obtainable only and has substantial stat improvements over Exotics? Did you miss the part where they said they’ll be releasing additional ascended gear slots in the future?
Hello?

Wow, I’m surprised so many people haven’t heard about ascended gear and the new “progression initiate” they’ve started. They’ll be adding gear of ascended quality of all equipment slots. So, all in all, you’re looking at a minimum of 50pts better on an exotic user.

NullMad.4370:

Actually Splitrr you can’t get exotic weapons that ares Power/Toughness/Vitality with badges or karma. You can only get them in dungeons or for gold. Why they didn’t make token set for every stat combination is a little beyond me. I think they consider wvwvw a chunk of pve and so they think pure wvwvwers don’t exist.

You can find some Exotics that give P/V/T for Karma in Orr. After the Altar of Dwayna is claimed you can get a set of P/V/T medium armor boots for karma (Source: I wear them). Then of course the actual Invader set can be gotten by collecting badges and turning them in for an entire P/V/T set, but the badge collection process is slower than running the dungeon.

I’m seriously disappointed they added a new tier of gear. This game wasn’t supposed to be a treadmill, and not even 3 months in, Anet gets all wishy washy about it. This new tier seems to serve no purpose other than to give whiners a WoW like progression because that’s the only type of MMO they understand.

I’m not a fan of the new level of gear they added and I can only hope that this is a one time thing and that they finishing rolling out a full set of it and just add infusions to help people progress thru dungeons.

Now as for wvw they need to step up and add a way for people to acquire the same level gear thru wvw and hopefully add a personal progression system for wvw (lateral progression not vertical) this will help keep more people in wvw. As it stands you will have people look at the score see they are losing and just go FoTM since they can’t progress in wvw at all. I enjoy the fight and so do a lot of others but it seems to me that a large group of players need to either be winning or close to it to bother showing up, maybe lateral/horizontal progression would fill that need (it also doesn’t hurt to reward the dedicated also).

It was stated that changes are coming to wvw. Lets just hope it’s sooner rather then later. Spvp and pve have both gotten things lets get something out there for wvw players.

Qooplus.3268:

When we have raid dungeon to get the best equipment for WvW.
What is the difference between GW2 and WOW,
Do we have to chasing some high end weapon after every patch in the future?
I am afraid now : (

Based on current implementation, then yes.

Ascended and infusion rewards will be available in both PvE and WvW over time, and be made available through all sorts of content around the world including existing content. PvP will remain unaffected to ensure our intended PvP balance going forward. We are also working on other reward and progression systems for the game that tie into current and new content and features.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/A-message-from-our-Studio-Design-Director-Chris-Whiteside

I don’t see what the big issue is over some gear improvements? Rather than complaining that you don’t want any kind of difference in commitment level, why not petition them to add a wvw-based way to get the better gear? (I personally like the idea that you can move a little ways ahead in wvw, since its partially PvE based as well unlike sPvP).

Since WvW is a dedication/time based system unlike sPvP that is an arcade style pick your “character” and go fight, I think its good that you can upgrade your gear to a level better than newer players and slackers. If you want to be casual then you can accept being slightly out of date sometimes or you can go play sPvP that is built around that ideal.

Also, please stop referring to these as “wow” changes. Just in-case none of you knew, Warcraft didn’t ‘invent’ ANY of these concepts.

Byrko.6145:

Ascended and infusion rewards will be available in both PvE and WvW over time, and be made available through all sorts of content around the world including existing content. PvP will remain unaffected to ensure our intended PvP balance going forward. We are also working on other reward and progression systems for the game that tie into current and new content and features.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/A-message-from-our-Studio-Design-Director-Chris-Whiteside

This is good. I don’t mind having new gear itself(assuming it doesnt turn into a gear grind), as long as I don’t have to go dungeon for it ugh

Kneemin.4235:

I think its good that you can upgrade your gear to a level better than newer players and slackers. If you want to be casual then you can accept being slightly out of date sometimes or you can go play sPvP that is built around that ideal.

The only casuals are the scrubz who want a gear advantage, real PvPers want to PvP not Gear vs Gear.

Thsi was one of the attractions of this game knowing that upon reaching level cap, everyone would very easily be able to get the top tier (statwise) of gear and be on a level playing field when it comes to gear.

NullMad.4370:

Actually Splitrr you can’t get exotic weapons that ares Power/Toughness/Vitality with badges or karma. You can only get them in dungeons or for gold. Why they didn’t make token set for every stat combination is a little beyond me. I think they consider wvwvw a chunk of pve and so they think pure wvwvwers don’t exist.

Different Maps sell different gear… Look at each borderland vendor and EB before you arbitrarily state something as fact.

Just a heads up.

Kneemin.4235:

I don’t see what the big issue is over some gear improvements? Rather than complaining that you don’t want any kind of difference in commitment level, why not petition them to add a wvw-based way to get the better gear? (I personally like the idea that you can move a little ways ahead in wvw, since its partially PvE based as well unlike sPvP).

Since WvW is a dedication/time based system unlike sPvP that is an arcade style pick your “character” and go fight, I think its good that you can upgrade your gear to a level better than newer players and slackers. If you want to be casual then you can accept being slightly out of date sometimes or you can go play sPvP that is built around that ideal.

Also, please stop referring to these as “wow” changes. Just in-case none of you knew, Warcraft didn’t ‘invent’ ANY of these concepts.

The root problem is that when you ‘reward’ folks in this way you start down the path of elitism which will drive the casual players away. I play casually and have still been able to have a good time even though I don’t have to ‘best of the best’… and now I’m not so interested.

Sure- a new game comes out… the ‘hard core’ will stick around, but from a business/profit point of view… it’s suicide. I suppose Anet will figure that out when Planetside 2 launches in about 21 hours. And the game community will too…

Seriously~ between a outrageously long grind to the point I might be able to compete vs a fresh start? How many new players or ‘slackers’ will choose the grind? This is F2P… so fewer players is fewer peeps buying gems, etc…

IF Ascended gear will not be made available through any other means but dungeons. I will drop this game so fast the only thing you will see before it dropping the ground is a dustcloud.

There are some exceptions:
– Ascended gear is fully craftable via materials found OUTSIDE of dungeons
– Considering the last one this means you should be able to buy them on TP
– Via some sort of Karma/Badge payment

If they are going to try and make me run the Fractal thingy, I’m out.

Qooplus.3268:

When we have raid dungeon to get the best equipment for WvW.
What is the difference between GW2 and WOW,
Do we have to chasing some high end weapon after every patch in the future?
I am afraid now : (

The difference between GW2 and WOW is that in WOW you get the best pvp gear by pvping, doing arenas or battle grounds. It is also progressive like the token system in GW2 so you are always making progress towards you goal.

Now in GW2 you get the best WvW gear by grinding dungeon runs and hope the RNG smiles on you.

Same.4687:

IF Ascended gear will not be made available through any other means but dungeons. I will drop this game so fast the only thing you will see before it dropping the ground is a dustcloud.

There are some exceptions:
– Ascended gear is fully craftable via materials found OUTSIDE of dungeons
– Considering the last one this means you should be able to buy them on TP
– Via some sort of Karma/Badge payment

If they are going to try and make me run the Fractal thingy, I’m out.

FTW.

I agree with a lot said, the whole thing stinks.
WvW needs serious overhaul, we didn’t get much to start with for WvW and was hoping they were going to build on it however feels like GW2 will soon be a PVE game.

yeah, i myself am not very fond of this fractal thingy. too grindy. what happen to the “GW2 is a skill based game” philosophy, Anet ?

you’ve become a joke in the other game forum : http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7004697373

Same.4687:

IF Ascended gear will not be made available through any other means but dungeons. I will drop this game so fast the only thing you will see before it dropping the ground is a dustcloud.

There are some exceptions:
– Ascended gear is fully craftable via materials found OUTSIDE of dungeons
– Considering the last one this means you should be able to buy them on TP
– Via some sort of Karma/Badge payment

If they are going to try and make me run the Fractal thingy, I’m out.

I give you the ascended back pieces:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vial_of_Condensed_Mists_Essence

It requires a vial of condensed mists essence that is account bound and only obtainable from the chests at the end of fractals.

These aren’t minor upgrades either.

Kitten i need to cap lot’s of keeps just to get money to buy those ectos. Crazy kitten.

This is exactly why I despised WoW even after playing it for years. I hated raiding, yet people who raided would come into Battlegrounds, which I enjoyed, and proceeded to constantly kick my kitten because my gear(even fully stocked up on Battleground gear) was way less than what you could get by raiding. FThat. I’m gone if this turns out to be the case here too.

Its 2-3 points diff from the new back item to the guild one. If you die to a player using the new back TRUST me its not the gear@!@

I’m pretty sure they said Legendary gear would be updated to be on par with ascended, it just won’t have the special damage type protection which is pve only anyway… right?

“You’ll also see more Legendary items in the future and an update to our existing Legendary weapons. Legendary items were always intended to be on par with other “best-in-slot” items. So fear not, all existing Legendary weapons, which are currently on par with Exotics, will be upgraded to be on par with Ascended weapons at the same time that we add Ascended weapons to the game. Thus Legendaries will remain “best-in-slot” items. All Legendary items going forward will be of Ascended power. We also have plans to add more fun ways to acquire Legendary precursor items with a more “scavenger hunt” feel than they are acquired currently.”

Sylosi.6503:

Kneemin.4235:

I think its good that you can upgrade your gear to a level better than newer players and slackers. If you want to be casual then you can accept being slightly out of date sometimes or you can go play sPvP that is built around that ideal.

The only casuals are the scrubz who want a gear advantage, real PvPers want to PvP not Gear vs Gear.

Thsi was one of the attractions of this game knowing that upon reaching level cap, everyone would very easily be able to get the top tier (statwise) of gear and be on a level playing field when it comes to gear.

The level playing field will never happen in WvW, it was designed to be imbalanced and also advertised on several occasions like that. There’ll always be lower level players in there and players that don’t have the max. gear yet. For example more than half of levelling my main I did in WvW, only started doing (and completed) pve map completion about 2 weeks ago and only have full exotics since about 2 weeks as well and tbh I don’t feel really more powerful or effective compared to the mix of greens and rares I wore before.
This will be the same with the phased introduction of the new gear, there’ll always be players still in old gear and/or levelling.
The only level playing field gearwise in this game can be found in spvp.

They will probably not add on par with ascended gear to wvw until they find a way to make it less of a zerg fest. I mean even though I spend 98% of my game time in wvw, the dungeons are more difficult if when you are in wvw you just follow the large zergs. I do still think wvw should have gear on par with the new stuff though.

Azure Prower.8701:

Same.4687:

IF Ascended gear will not be made available through any other means but dungeons. I will drop this game so fast the only thing you will see before it dropping the ground is a dustcloud.

There are some exceptions:
– Ascended gear is fully craftable via materials found OUTSIDE of dungeons
– Considering the last one this means you should be able to buy them on TP
– Via some sort of Karma/Badge payment

If they are going to try and make me run the Fractal thingy, I’m out.

I give you the ascended back pieces:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Vial_of_Condensed_Mists_Essence

It requires a vial of condensed mists essence that is account bound and only obtainable from the chests at the end of fractals.

These aren’t minor upgrades either.

This is somewhat incorrect. Any fractal mob can drop them. I got mine solo, after about 20mins of grinding mosquitoes and spiders.

Ascended gear is ~9% better than exotic based on the better stats from most of the theorycrafting out there. So it is an advantage in wvw. Exotics are only a bit better than rares too but most people can tell the difference when playing. The point is that it is a definite change in philosophy to require wvw players to do pve dungeons to get bis gear for wvw, and it’s been incredibly unpopular with wvw players.

That change plus the lack of any development at all in wvw since launch is definitely having an effect on interest in the game. A lot of wvw-focused players and guilds are falling fast. I hope this hasn’t gone unnoticed by ArenaNet. I’m anxiously hoping for word that some changes to fix this (getting ascended-level equal gear through wvw, and at least some wvw development) are a part of the December update.

Pherenice.8124:

Aye Sylosi thats why half of our guilds starts a new chaptor in Planetside 2 tomorow.
We werent sure before this, but anet made our choice real easy for us to bail out to the next mmo.

To many or better said way to less love from Anet for WvW.
To little to late now, no matter how many promises are going to be made, they broke 1 major promise and that brothers and sisters made all the diffrence.

Bullkitten….half your guys would have left anyway just because there is a shiny, new F2P game up for grabs. A lot of GW2’ers will probably leave to go play Planetside. Its just the nature of online gaming these days.

But, guess what? You already purchased GW2 for the equivalent of 4.3 months of subscription.. You can come and go as you please. Its part of their business model.

flyro.6083:

Its 2-3 points diff from the new back item to the guild one. If you die to a player using the new back TRUST me its not the gear@!@

The problem is that it’s not 2-3 point difference, I have both of the following:

Guild Assassin Backpack of the Berserker
20 power
14 Precision
1% Crit damage
25 Power
3% Crit damage
15 Precision

Quiver of Swift Flight
24 Power
17 Precision
1% Crit damage
32 Power
4% Crit damage
18 Precision

The stats are 20-25% increase, apply that to every piece of armor and weapons and I think you’ll agree it’s going to be a problem in WvWvW.

Stop crying. After this tier (which they probably planned from the start anyway), it’s just infusions. Six months from now you’ll have full Asc and will no longer care.

For that matter, if you’re losing to people currently just because they have an Ascended back and ring, it’s your skill that’s lacking, not their gear that’s putting them ahead.

IMHO, I don’t think people are crying because they are losing based on their set of gears. People are crying because this game was supposed to be a skill-based game and not depending on gears. Apparently, according to the trends, the game is heading toward gears oriented type of game. In order to obtain top gears to compete, people have to grind.

I was so excited when this game introduced few months ago. I thought I will be alive again in the Ultima Online type of game (aka pure skill-based game.) I was wrong, GW2 has unique weapon skills but it is far away from skill-based game as grand father UO.

Fullset of green/blue will have huge disadvantages against fullset of exotic.
Now with the fullset of Ascended will have advantages over Exotic (+/- 25% more stats)
With this trend, people will have to climb up the gears ladder in order to keep up. And the game is only 3 months old, it already showed that this is not skill-based game as it stated from the beginning.

Pherenice.8124:

Disable gear stats in WvW and make it like sPvP before half the WvW population drops GW2.
Or bring on on par Gear with the new Dungeons bought with Karma / badges.

Not doing anything within the upcomming days will be devestating to the WvW community.
Think its safe to say that something needs to be done a s a p before stuff get out of hands, it already is if you look at the discussions.

This, x100. I certainly won’t bother with WvW anymore if I have to grind dungeons for a ridiculous number of hours just to get and keep my level 80 on par.

And whatever they’re going to do, they need to do it now or else shorten the grind for non-dungeon runners, otherwise, we’ll be stuck playing catchup for months on end, or maybe forever, and who wants that?

Christos de Soufre.3802:

Stop crying. After this tier (which they probably planned from the start anyway), it’s just infusions. Six months from now you’ll have full Asc and will no longer care.

For that matter, if you’re losing to people currently just because they have an Ascended back and ring, it’s your skill that’s lacking, not their gear that’s putting them ahead.

And what is to stop them from introducing another tier of gear after Ascended? Maybe you don’t care about riding the treadmill but a lot more of us do care. GW2 wasn’t supposed to have vertical progression based on gear past exotics. We were misled and there is no disputing that.

Sylosi.6503:

Kneemin.4235:

I think its good that you can upgrade your gear to a level better than newer players and slackers. If you want to be casual then you can accept being slightly out of date sometimes or you can go play sPvP that is built around that ideal.

The only casuals are the scrubz who want a gear advantage, real PvPers want to PvP not Gear vs Gear.

Thsi was one of the attractions of this game knowing that upon reaching level cap, everyone would very easily be able to get the top tier (statwise) of gear and be on a level playing field when it comes to gear.

On the contrary; First the namecalling is not necessary.
Secondly; I don’t know what games you’ve played but typically “casuals” and “gear ‘scrubz’” are not in the same category. Even in this case, it takes considerably more time (or if you are really lame, cash to buy gems to buy required items) to get the better gear. Part of being better is not always “skill”. Sorry to burst your bubble but scavenging around to find t he best gear for yourself is a skillful venture and you can and should be rewarded for your time.

Just to cover myself here. I am not a WoW player and their system may suck, I could care less as that game was/is horrible anyway.

This is also not to say that there is a current issue. ANet has been absolutely horrible about implementing updates… in this case adding the ascended gear to PvE but providing no way for WvW-only players like myself a way to obtain them. (yes, I advocate the gear but I don’t pve, big surprise!). They really need to step up the game and start adding changes in a more correct way, instead of being like "Well, we are going to add them to wvw but we just didn’t get around to it yet.

That aside, sPvP was made for the “skill” based combat where everyone is ‘equal’ in terms of gear. WvW is NOT the same and is a PvPvE style of play. There can and will be differences to the ‘skill-based’ pvp that is sPvP and tPvP.

Kneemin.4235:

On the contrary; First the namecalling is not necessary.

I wouldn’t have used it, if I was not replying to someone who had started with the name calling, by calling people ‘slackers’.

Kneemin.4235:

Secondly; I don’t know what games you’ve played but typically “casuals”…

I’ve played plenty of games with Pvers who are casual PvPers and want gear advantages to help compensate for their lack of skill / practice at PvP.

Kneemin.4235:

That aside, sPvP was made for the “skill” based combat where everyone is ‘equal’ in terms of gear. WvW is NOT the same and is a PvPvE style of play. There can and will be differences to the ‘skill-based’ pvp that is sPvP and tPvP.

I agree to an extent, in that sPvP is where the real level playing field is, however, before purchasing this game I (and a great deal many others) were led to believe that in terms of gear WvW would be far more level than other many games with RvR content, because upon reaching 80 it was a relatively quick for anyone to be able to equip themselves with the top tier of gear (statistically). That there would be no need to run dungeons, etc and that if we encountered a 1v1, 5v5, etc we could reasonably expect a more level playing field, especially once the game had been out a while and most people had hit 80.

Gear progression ruins PvP (all types of PvP), I used to play Rift, grinding up the inital ranks was beyond tedious becasue you were faced with people who could do three times the damage and take far less, then when you eventually had reached rank 40, maxed faction rep for the odd bit of jewellry & runes, maxed out the PA tree, etc PvP was dull as crap because half the people you played against were bascially unable to fight back simply due to gear/PA.

Hence a lot of us bought GW2 on the basis of their pre-launch Q&A, interviews, blogs, etc where we told we would not have this, three months in, they’ve panicked (or NCsoft has) because they launched an unfinsihed game resulting in sPvP/tPvP failing miserably and now they are trying to turn out another “WoW 2.0” clone, as someone once said (with hindsight, rather ironically).

And to top it off they introduced this gear grind, so peolpe hae to run crappy dungeons, again going against what they claimed pre-launch about people being able to play how they wanted and still have to access to gear, and yes they may have promised to add a means to get it through WvW at some point, but then we are three mmonths and in and there are still bugs with fundamentals like class skills and traits, they don’t seem to have enough resources to satisfactorily handle the job at hand.

Thus people are unsuprisingly unhappy about being misled.

First; calling people lazy or slackish is a statement, similar to calling someone ignorant. Its a state of being, if you slack you fall behind. Calling someone a “scrub” is derogatory. Linguistics, my friend.

Back to the topic. First, do you really think that Anet was just goign to leave exotics at the top and never add new gear to aspire towards? If you did, then that is just naive.

I can imagine how they stressed that it would not be a gear treadmill game and I can even appreciate the fact that the new gear is just a tad too treadmill-like in that it takes a great deal of stuff to make (50 globs, seriously?) but this game is far from gear treadmill with far less gearing options than other games. In-fact I think the way they designed the gear (3 stats, pick your poisons) is absolutely horrendous as it allows for very little strategic flavor to one’s choice of armor.

I really don’t think you were ‘misled’, but rather you expected a far more radical version of what is already in play, which again is readily available for you in sPvP as seems to be their intention.

Kneemin.4235:

First; calling people lazy or slackish is a statement, similar to calling someone ignorant. Its a state of being, if you slack you fall behind. Calling someone a “scrub” is derogatory. Linguistics, my friend.

Perahaps in your bizzare world slacker is a compliment, it is considered derogatory where I am from, if you don’t like being called names, then don’t do it to others in the first place.

Kneemin.4235:

I really don’t think you were ‘misled’, but rather you expected a far more radical version of what is already in play, which again is readily available for you in sPvP as seems to be their intention.

Their intention was this, from their own blog, by their lead dev:

“We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”

With ascended gear they have broken that statement in two ways, firstly it is no longer optional if you want to be “just as powerful” and secondly it is no longer optional if you wish to do all the content as they have introduced a gating mechanism with “agony”, so bascially repeating the mistake other games made years ago and have since worked out is a dumb idea, radiance in LOTRO for instance.

So yes people were misled, because they don’t expect a company to go back on its proclaimed philosphies, nearly as soon as the product is launched.

Sylosi.6503:

Kneemin.4235:

First; calling people lazy or slackish is a statement, similar to calling someone ignorant. Its a state of being, if you slack you fall behind. Calling someone a “scrub” is derogatory. Linguistics, my friend.

Perahaps in your bizzare world slacker is a compliment, it is considered derogatory where I am from, if you don’t like being called names, then don’t do it to others in the first place.

Kneemin.4235:

I really don’t think you were ‘misled’, but rather you expected a far more radical version of what is already in play, which again is readily available for you in sPvP as seems to be their intention.

Their intention was this, from their own blog, by their lead dev:

“We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”

With ascended gear they have broken that statement in two ways, firstly it is no longer optional if you want to be “just as powerful” and secondly it is no longer optional if you wish to do all the content as they have introduced a gating mechanism with “agony”, so bascially repeating the mistake other games made years ago and have since worked out is a dumb idea, radiance in LOTRO for instance.

So yes people were misled, because they don’t expect a company to go back on its proclaimed philosphies, nearly as soon as the product is launched.

Basically, this.

The developers have told us how different this was going to be from the “standard”, only to make it almost exactly like those other games..