Guild Wars 2

it’s all in the title. frankly, i’m tired of people creating these “temporary solutions” to solve “night capping”. i understand you’re upset and you have to whinge about it on the forums but please, the world does not revolve around you or your country.

1. these “solutions” i have seen include limiting points, players and even to stop WvWvW altogether during those times. now lets reverse these scenarios. You are the “off peak” people. and lets presume the idea of stopping WvW during your time was accepted and implemented, i don’t think you’d have a very good time.

2. ArenaNet didn’t make an ELO bracket to allow servers to stroke their kittens and declare their superiority. the brackets were to let servers fight each other on equal terms and/or skill level. its 27~ days since release. you guys have to chill out.

3. servers with a diverse playerbase will be matched with another server with a diverse playerbase. servers which don’t will be matched with servers which don’t aswell.

4. and finally a very specific example of the infamous 2nd bracket (IoJ,SoS,ET). the skill level of the 4 top servers is evidently seen by the 200~ELO difference between 4th and 5th. now WvW is unfortunately a 3 way fight. 4th place will always fight 5th and 6th.
It’s a harsh reality but is there really any other option? we can’t just simply disable WvW from a server for a/2 weeks. that’s unfair like the above posts.

i have said all i can. this post is only to promote intelligent discussion and is not meant to offend anyone in any way. If any of what i have said has offended you, then i am sorry.

Arasuki.6094:

it’s all in the title. frankly, i’m tired of people creating these “temporary solutions” to solve “night capping”. i understand you’re upset and you have to whinge about it on the forums but please, the world does not revolve around you or your country.

1. these “solutions” i have seen include limiting points, players and even to stop WvWvW altogether during those times. now lets reverse these scenarios. You are the “off peak” people. and lets presume the idea of stopping WvW during your time was accepted and implemented, i don’t think you’d have a very good time.

2. ArenaNet didn’t make an ELO bracket to allow servers to stroke their kittens and declare their superiority. the brackets were to let servers fight each other on equal terms and/or skill level. its 27~ days since release. you guys have to chill out.

3. servers with a diverse playerbase will be matched with another server with a diverse playerbase. servers which don’t will be matched with servers which don’t aswell.

4. and finally a very specific example of the infamous 2nd bracket (IoJ,SoS,ET). the skill level of the 4 top servers is evidently seen by the 200~ELO difference between 4th and 5th. now WvW is unfortunately a 3 way fight. 4th place will always fight 5th and 6th.
It’s a harsh reality but is there really any other option? we can’t just simply disable WvW from a server for a/2 weeks. that’s unfair like the above posts.

i have said all i can. this post is only to promote intelligent discussion and is not meant to offend anyone in any way. If any of what i have said has offended you, then i am sorry.

The problem is just that there isn’t an even distribution of Oceanic players across all the servers; they’re just concentrated on a few. Which is understandable, given that they probably actually want to see people when they play. However, it is what is causing this point disparity issue. The best solution seems to be adding an Oceanic group of servers, as that wouldn’t infringe upon Oceanic players’ ability to play, but I’m not sure if ANet intends to do so.

Asbrandr.6324:

Arasuki.6094:

it’s all in the title. frankly, i’m tired of people creating these “temporary solutions” to solve “night capping”. i understand you’re upset and you have to whinge about it on the forums but please, the world does not revolve around you or your country.

1. these “solutions” i have seen include limiting points, players and even to stop WvWvW altogether during those times. now lets reverse these scenarios. You are the “off peak” people. and lets presume the idea of stopping WvW during your time was accepted and implemented, i don’t think you’d have a very good time.

2. ArenaNet didn’t make an ELO bracket to allow servers to stroke their kittens and declare their superiority. the brackets were to let servers fight each other on equal terms and/or skill level. its 27~ days since release. you guys have to chill out.

3. servers with a diverse playerbase will be matched with another server with a diverse playerbase. servers which don’t will be matched with servers which don’t aswell.

4. and finally a very specific example of the infamous 2nd bracket (IoJ,SoS,ET). the skill level of the 4 top servers is evidently seen by the 200~ELO difference between 4th and 5th. now WvW is unfortunately a 3 way fight. 4th place will always fight 5th and 6th.
It’s a harsh reality but is there really any other option? we can’t just simply disable WvW from a server for a/2 weeks. that’s unfair like the above posts.

i have said all i can. this post is only to promote intelligent discussion and is not meant to offend anyone in any way. If any of what i have said has offended you, then i am sorry.

The problem is just that there isn’t an even distribution of Oceanic players across all the servers; they’re just concentrated on a few. Which is understandable, given that they probably actually want to see people when they play. However, it is what is causing this point disparity issue. The best solution seems to be adding an Oceanic group of servers, as that wouldn’t infringe upon Oceanic players’ ability to play, but I’m not sure if ANet intends to do so.

I blame continuous free transfers with no limit or cooldown. 24 hour cooldown is not enough and frankly too late.

Not that I care but for the same reason they’re entitled to less in other games, the servers are labeled as “American” for time zones.

Folk.2093:

Not that I care but for the same reason they’re entitled to less in other games, the servers are labeled as “American” for time zones.

They’re labelled North America, not “American” and this not only USA. NA is more than just USA.

Samfisher.7942:

Asbrandr.6324:

Arasuki.6094:

it’s all in the title. frankly, i’m tired of people creating these “temporary solutions” to solve “night capping”. i understand you’re upset and you have to whinge about it on the forums but please, the world does not revolve around you or your country.

1. these “solutions” i have seen include limiting points, players and even to stop WvWvW altogether during those times. now lets reverse these scenarios. You are the “off peak” people. and lets presume the idea of stopping WvW during your time was accepted and implemented, i don’t think you’d have a very good time.

2. ArenaNet didn’t make an ELO bracket to allow servers to stroke their kittens and declare their superiority. the brackets were to let servers fight each other on equal terms and/or skill level. its 27~ days since release. you guys have to chill out.

3. servers with a diverse playerbase will be matched with another server with a diverse playerbase. servers which don’t will be matched with servers which don’t aswell.

4. and finally a very specific example of the infamous 2nd bracket (IoJ,SoS,ET). the skill level of the 4 top servers is evidently seen by the 200~ELO difference between 4th and 5th. now WvW is unfortunately a 3 way fight. 4th place will always fight 5th and 6th.
It’s a harsh reality but is there really any other option? we can’t just simply disable WvW from a server for a/2 weeks. that’s unfair like the above posts.

i have said all i can. this post is only to promote intelligent discussion and is not meant to offend anyone in any way. If any of what i have said has offended you, then i am sorry.

The problem is just that there isn’t an even distribution of Oceanic players across all the servers; they’re just concentrated on a few. Which is understandable, given that they probably actually want to see people when they play. However, it is what is causing this point disparity issue. The best solution seems to be adding an Oceanic group of servers, as that wouldn’t infringe upon Oceanic players’ ability to play, but I’m not sure if ANet intends to do so.

I blame continuous free transfers with no limit or cooldown. 24 hour cooldown is not enough and frankly too late.

I can agree with this statement; all free transfers has done is compound the population disparity between servers, unfortunately. People have all consolidated to servers that were already winning instead of providing an even playing field. Servers like Kaineng and DR are left with minimal populations when they deserve a strong playerbase as much as any other server does.

Folk.2093:

Not that I care but for the same reason they’re entitled to less in other games, the servers are labeled as “American” for time zones.

That designation is a ‘location’, not an ‘allowed to play’.

Samfisher.7942:

Folk.2093:

Not that I care but for the same reason they’re entitled to less in other games, the servers are labeled as “American” for time zones.

They’re labelled North America, not “American” and this not only USA. NA is more than just USA.

like i said, this place is for intelligent discussion, not to be nitpicky about every geographical mistake i made on the internet.

do you have anything you can add to this discussion?

I think these people are getting to your head. No continent/timezone is going to get special attention.

DirtyHoudini.2917:

I think these people are getting to your head. No continent/timezone is going to get special attention.

Its more a case of people from one continent/timezone asking for restrictions to be placed on another timezone.

Folk.2093:

Not that I care but for the same reason they’re entitled to less in other games, the servers are labeled as “American” for time zones.

Sure ok…… then where are our Oceanic servers ?

Last I heard,my copy of GW2 was legally distributed and purchased in the AU and the servers provided were also provided and maintained by the funds from AU customers,regardless of where they are situated.

You have the wrong idea of what the labeling is for.

On topic: Arasuki,you missed another great idea that was brought up of IP banning anyone who isn’t EU/US lol.

Anyway,game could do with less servers over time(some US servers are practically empty US prime),more international intergration on behalf of some players and guilds,an overall greater affection for ones home server,rather than ones regional clan/guild.

Sure Anet can help facilitate international co-operation,but ultimately this is a people problem and as such,it’s ultimately up to the players to get internationally savvy.

Playing in just EU and US circles is a thing of the past.We have to forget about server labels like NA/EU/DE and start seeing servers as global.24/7 is a global commodity……

Temper.7265:

Folk.2093:

Not that I care but for the same reason they’re entitled to less in other games, the servers are labeled as “American” for time zones.

Sure ok…… then where are our Oceanic servers ?

Last I heard,my copy of GW2 was legally distributed and purchased in the AU and the servers provided were also provided and maintained the funds from AU customers,regardless of where they are situated.

You have the wrong idea of what the labeling is for.

Signed. I play at midnight in AU time because I have this thing called “work” that I have to go to. Funnily enough, this “work” also provides me with money to spend on GW2, both to purchase the game and to purchase gems if I can afford them. I shouldn’t be penalized by a game I’m putting money into because I have to WORK in order to put money into it. It’s not some evil plan by the Aussies to thwart the US, it’s called “life” and it’s a thing that is not exclusive to America.

Most solutions are talking about populations and not time zones. They are not framed as “when it is x time” but rather as “when the population on the lowest populated server hits y level.” You can easily avoid the negative consequences of most proposed solutions by transferring to less populated servers.

The problem is just that there isn’t an even distribution of Oceanic players across all the servers; they’re just concentrated on a few. Which is understandable, given that they probably actually want to see people when they play. However, it is what is causing this point disparity issue. The best solution seems to be adding an Oceanic group of servers, as that wouldn’t infringe upon Oceanic players’ ability to play, but I’m not sure if ANet intends to do so. [/quote]

I blame continuous free transfers with no limit or cooldown. 24 hour cooldown is not enough and frankly too late.[/quote]

I can agree with this statement; all free transfers has done is compound the population disparity between servers, unfortunately. People have all consolidated to servers that were already winning instead of providing an even playing field. Servers like Kaineng and DR are left with minimal populations when they deserve a strong playerbase as much as any other server does.[/quote]

i disagree with both of you. There is nothing wrong with the “disparity”. That is what makes the difference between a good team and a better team. You are just let down by other people that are not contributing. You feel it is unfair that you are always on the losing side because the server is full of people that are not contributing or not as good and there’s nothing you can do to change anything. But its perfectly right for people to group together and there will always be limitation on team size. The good people and the people that really care about it grouped together and not everyone will be able to get on their team. A team has already been formed so you have to play with the rest. This is hardly unfair or not right.

If you feel strongly about wvw you can still choose to switch servers with your friends. its ok. if your friends dont want to move then maybe they dont care as much or his group dont care as much. In which case they are part of the group you have choose to stay with and that is the limit of their abilities.

I can understand people wanting to be on the winning side but disparity is something that will always exist between different teams. its also not practical to restrict people to one server. at least i will be furious if they did that. i want to be able to play with a wide pool of players around the world not limited to the very small pool of one of the numerous servers.

nvm i think i missed the point again and declare myself stupid since i cant delete that post or dont know how

Your “3rd” point is ridiculous and I doubt you put much brain power behind it. There aren’t enough servers with “diverse playerbase” to make an even 1v1v1 matchup between them. There is 1 in Europe group and maybe 2 in the NA group. It is not possible to match 3 servers with “diverse playerbase” when there just aren’t 3 of those. I suggest putting more thought into your posts when trying to be condescending or you risk looking like something else

Americans on unofficial oceanic servers being dominated in WvW during the “day”: “omg this server sucks at pvp.”

Americans on other servers facing the oceanic servers in WvW during the “day”: “omg they night capped us.”

in reply to posts about official oceanic servers,
though it sounds like a good idea “in theory”
do we really have enough people to even fill up 2 servers of 20,000?
if not, how are we going to make wvw work out?

I play during NA prime time, and I’m also tried of all those qq threads.

The feeling of entitlement and instance that everything must be fair for THEM is immature and silly.