Guild Wars 2

Anet has made upgrading pointless. They give new skills that help solo and small group be able to take camps at will. WvW is the only thing in the game that requires large amount of money to do. Take out cash cost of upgrading if your going to make them mostly useless.

I agree that upgrading a camp is not worth the money because they are very easy to get, but it was already possible to get camps with small groups before, the new update does not make all that difference in this case.

Upgrading camps is a pretty big deal when trying to upgrade near towers or keeps. You just need to be diligent in protecting them.
Upgrades causes friction, friction causes intense battles.It’s all good.

I still see a lot of T2 and T3 keeps/towers, but with everyone riding the karma flip train, I have seen a decline in the willingness to upgrade. Probably because it’s going to get flipped again soon anyway.

The new wxp ranks make it even easier for 1 or 2 people to roll a fully upgraded camp before you can respond and no one will sit at a camp while their friends are in vent bragging on being rank 20 or 30 while they are rank 5.

It should be made possible for people to upgrade using badges aswell.

the rate badges drop wouldn’t make that possible.

Upgrades are fine o_O all upgrades are useful in some way and worth the money paid. The only problem with upgrading is the person buying the upgrade is not rewarded in any way because of it.

ANet needs to implement rewards for the person buying the upgrade once it completes (in the form of WXP and/ or Badges of Honor)

And FYI when i solo/ duo havoc on a map i know has other havoc squads i always buy yak escorts once i flip a camp, it adds 4 more guards for the enemy squad to deal with.

If they are going to add skills that help take camps they should add defender skills that buff the camp they are in.

Because being literally the only player from your server in an enemy borderland, taking supply, upgrading it, killing the small housekeeping crew that comes to take it back, and then taking more camps and then porting back to kill the housekeeping crew at the first one again is fun.

With one patch they have turned wvw into whack a mole.

This is soooooooo true.

For months I ran a support warrior. Now, I stopped. Why?

Cause I can give people fury & might all I want, I can heal them, I can make them dodge more and clear their conditions but I do not get one single WXP from any of that. None. Nothing. Zero. Nada.

The WXP system is blatantly unfair.

And, indeed, in the mean time they brag about their rank.

So, yeah, I’m DPSing too now.

Sentrying?
Upgrading?
Walking Yaks?
Healing?
Buffing?
Cleansing?

ANet considers none of these things worthy WWW activities, so why should I?

With the supervisor buff fixed, supply camps are harder to take at will. Otherwise nothing has changed with supply camps for small groups. Supply Camps are designed to be capturable by small groups.

If you can’t defend an upgraded supply camp, than you need to work on your zerg’s mobility. Good T1 zerg guilds can keep a camp day and night without losing ground elsewhere.

The point is there is no motivation for people to sit at a camp but tons to follow the mindless horde bashing down gates. 13 structures plus quaggons to manage on a borderland map and there is more reason to let them flip then to defend them. If you let them flip you get Wxp to get them back and I dont want to hear about the greater good of the server because that isnt going to happen. People do stuff for the prize nothing else and right now the only prize is wxp.

raenen.5807:

The point is there is no motivation for people to sit at a camp but tons to follow the mindless horde bashing down gates. 13 structures plus quaggons to manage on a borderland map and there is more reason to let them flip then to defend them. If you let them flip you get Wxp to get them back and I dont want to hear about the greater good of the server because that isnt going to happen. People do stuff for the prize nothing else and right now the only prize is wxp.

It depends on what the goal is.

I know that when we are trying to get upgrades, we will hold a camp.

If we have a wp and reinforced walls done, upgraded camps don’t quite matter as much.

Not everyone plays for karma or wxp.

I stopped upgrading ages ago. Upgrading requires deep pockets that you can only get by playing TP or dungeon farming, and if you’re doing that, you’re not on WvW. So now I only ride the karma train.

Whitebeard.5172:

Upgrading camps is a pretty big deal when trying to upgrade near towers or keeps. You just need to be diligent in protecting them.
Upgrades causes friction, friction causes intense battles.It’s all good.

This sums it up nicely, instead of flipping a camp, upgrading then running off to join your zergball maybe some people could stay back and guard the camp. This is not an Anet issue this is a players not willing to do anything but run ikittenerg issue. Your commander should be asking for a small group of players to watch the camp while they zerg works on the nearby tower.

I love guarding camps, I get lots of fights, the camp doesn’t flip every 3 minutes (unless its another mega zerg) and if I’m outnumbered the guards tend to buy me enough time to hold off the attackers until reinforcements arive.

Should be able to upgrade so your Dolyks aren’t worth any points for group yakslapping….