Guild Wars 2

so i’ve been playin alot of WvW lately and now its impossible to keep up.
we fissure of woe and even vabbi cant win against ruins of surmia because they have simply 4 times our men maybe 5 they have double the man vabbi and fissure of woe togheter. max upgraded forts couldnt even last 10 minutes because they came with 5 golems and 100 man while we were with a mere 20.
fix the balance. its not fun anymore.

if u dont believe me look at this screen -.-….

sincerely. kratesis.

Why can’t you let us ( Ros) have our full pie

Signed
~Commander of said zerg

PS: We’ve been waiting ages to tier up, but somehow we just don’t get enough points to tier up! Oh and it’s not quite true that we have more people. Maybe slightly. But we had a 40 people zerg against a 30 people zerg of FoW in your BL and you had upgraded all your keeps xD

Also FoW has a lot more people online at night than RoS. Every night and early morning you have a zerg of 30-40 men.

If we had as many people as you tell us we have, we wouldn’t have had that much problems with Whiteside Ridge lol.
We haven’t hit a queue in our maps in 3 weeks, and even then only a 2m loong queue for 1 bl while the other were kinda empty.

This http://i48.tinypic.com/2sbohad.jpg
and this http://i48.tinypic.com/2mceo0i.jpg
Don’t exactly help either :p

Cheering RoS onwards from the sidelines.

Ruins of Surmia and a 100 man zerg? whats next? Flying Stonemist :P?

Sajuuk.6420:

Ruins of Surmia and a 100 man zerg? whats next? Flying Stonemist :P?

Whilst I do agree that it’s hilarious to see RoS getting complained about given they’ve been pummeled at the bottom for so long… I must point out that a few weeks ago there was a queue in RoS BL just to fight against 10 people :P So no, it’s not unheard of.

Even as a RoS player I don’t believe that anything has changed on the server in the past 2 months to make this happen, it is more changes on other servers, but it IS funny to see a thread complaining about Surmia zerg given the previous situations.

it finally happened! Someone complained about us!

on a serious note I got “outmanned” buff countless times in EB and FoW BL, and your server is “high” in population iirc

I thought there exists some kind of queue what depends on raitings, but I’m upset. The queue where better server plays with better and worst with worst will automaticly cancel all the problems about, "OMG, oh guys their zerg are not bigger then ours, but all of them are omega golems =\ ".

Without a spy in ROS, 20 silver cost of omega siege golems nobody with any strategy can win there ont Vabbi or FoE side.

Sigh

There is a ladder, It does balance worst to worst and best to best, point is these 3 servers are the LOWEST 3.

It is hilarious to see Vabbi complaining about zerg and domination, given that 3 weeks ago we had the same matchup for 3 weeks. Vabbi vs FoW vs RoS, and for those 3 weeks Vabbi were the massively dominating faction with 400k+ points, coming on earlier in the day and using golems to clear the map.

Now as I posted above, nothing has changed on RoS but Vabbi has lost some players. But I notice that no one ever complained when Vabbi was the side that held 100% of the map, if you wish to complain about balance it works both ways.

Neandramathal.9536:

Sigh

There is a ladder, It does balance worst to worst and best to best, point is these 3 servers are the LOWEST 3.

It is hilarious to see Vabbi complaining about zerg and domination, given that 3 weeks ago we had the same matchup for 3 weeks. Vabbi vs FoW vs RoS, and for those 3 weeks Vabbi were the massively dominating faction with 400k+ points, coming on earlier in the day and using golems to clear the map.

Now as I posted above, nothing has changed on RoS but Vabbi has lost some players. But I notice that no one ever complained when Vabbi was the side that held 100% of the map, if you wish to complain about balance it works both ways.

Thank u for explanation!

To move on to fight another servers we should up in this raiting?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Updated-World-Ratings-Nov-16/first#post801298

Changes can be every friday/saturday how i get it?

And i’m not complaining about we’ve been beaten, I was about that ledder what u noticed about.

No problem, sorry if I came across overly harsh it just seemed a bit hypocritical for Vabbi to object given the previous few months Vabbi themselves used to outnumber the other 2 servers heavily until the main guilds left.

To increase the rating you just need to get points, win the matchups and hope it goes up. But it will take time, lots of time and effort.

Im usually on WvW 24/7 and can tell you quite accurately that FoW numbers do not hit 30-40 very often. Standard FoW Zerg size is between 10 to 15 people dwindling down to about 5-10 at off peak times (night time).

There has only ever been 2 occasions that I’ve seen where FoW have outnumbered RoS and that is when RoS have its forces split over different maps.

Only within the last week have we seen a small increase in the FoW WvW scene. Before then it was always the same players battling it out against overwhelming numbers. But hey, its a challenge. It’s taught us how to fight guerrilla warfare in WvW and it taught us how to work better as a small group.

A few weeks ago when Vabbi used to dominate by sheer force of numbers (yes it was due to numbers because in no time on an even playing field did they ever win) with hackers and bots, we never complained. Why? because we knew they were cheating and that Anet would put a stop to their evil ways. They were more of a joke to us then anything. And look what happened to them when the crack down came lol Vabbi got destroyed.

At that time Vabbi was filled with “oh we only want to play on the winning side” people that jumped from FoW to Vabbi. Now they jumped from Vabbi to RoS. There is no hiding, we recognise who they are and what guilds etc. Its the same sad story at the bottom as well as the mid and top tiers (but on a smaller scale) WvW gets ruined by these people who only want to “win” but without putting effort into it. These kind of people have a far greater impact on the smaller servers as the numbers really do matter.

What I propose is an alliance between servers. FoW and Vabbi vs RoS. This should even it up a bit. Our borderlands are off limits from each other but RoS borderlands and EB is fair game. What do you guys think?

Either that or Anet should just merge the low population servers to keep things competitive.

Either way FoW will not surrender!!!! we just seem to have an massive amount of PvE guilds that do sweet F all (yes YOGS this means you too. 400 members and none are ever seen in WvW)

Ilesyt.7084:

Why can’t you let us ( Ros) have our full pie

Signed
~Commander of said zerg

You are not allowed pie! and if RoS actually manage to move up the ladder (which you surely will next week) you’re in for a bad time. chances are you’ll be back down here with us in no time and will have lost a good amount of your player base (Example: Vabbi)

Signed
~Ranger who threw you off the cliff by woodhaven

Froggie.3758:

Ilesyt.7084:

Why can’t you let us ( Ros) have our full pie

Signed
~Commander of said zerg

You are not allowed pie! and if RoS actually manage to move up the ladder (which you surely will next week) you’re in for a bad time. chances are you’ll be back down here with us in no time and will have lost a good amount of your player base (Example: Vabbi)

Signed
~Ranger who threw you off the cliff by woodhaven

Ah you’re that ranger, that was well done i must say :p

But 1) at this rate it seems we won’t be going up a tier next week yet, Dzagonur don’t seem to want to drop down lol. The week after probably.
2) We want to play the under dog rather than this.
right after you threw me off the cliff i went to do fractals cause it was too boring :p

KensaiZen, to the best of my knowledge we (RoS) have not had any huge influx of people from Vabbi or otherwise. The Vabbi people that left were huge guilds who went to Pikken Sq. mostly.

Froggie, our WvW community is very aware of the problems going up a tier will cause for us, no need to try to rub it in. To be honest I expected us to lose to Fow, who has steadily improved (good job!) this week due to sheer boredom by many less hardcore players who play WvW.

And thanks Ksielvin, it’s taken us a lot of time and effort to get to third server up status. Looking forward to the magical days when we have 100 person zergs though. And flying rainbow puppies. And open Orr temples and wow all sorts of things.

p.s. if you read the other forums you would also know that RoS was targeted by a hacker this week and most of our commanders and highest ranked/richest players lost nearly everything so morale has been lower than usual.

Nice try going for SM when I told you I went for fractals, but I finished in time!

Nice trying to go for SM with our overpowered zerg of 4 against your 40. QQ some more though.

well that was a fun little skirmish at FoW garrison. Any RoS players want to add in their opinions on it?

Froggie.3758:

well that was a fun little skirmish at FoW garrison. Any RoS players want to add in their opinions on it?

It was enjoyable for my guild ([Imp]), although we felt a little alone the majority of the time. There were plenty of RoS there they just didn’t seem to be doing anything most the time :P We warned them not to just charge straight into the ballista’s but they didn’t listen. Got the lord down but couldn’t clear the circle on our own with 4 ballistas and 20 (more?) players there.

I enjoy those chaotic sieges

heh I was wondering how long it would take the RoS attackers to go over the sides rather than the front gate. of course IMP would be the first ones to do it =P The guild lord was ressed shortly after you killed it anyways (I was playing combat medic for the fun of it at the time). I thought that keep was lost so many times… then kept revivng the workers as the gate upgrade neared completion. We were so happy when those gates were reinforced! Also why won’t you leave the poor medic thief from Dark alone? =P I only wanted to help people!

We have been informed that we are Dark’s #1 targets, and we aren’t a fan of corpse humpers

The very first push into the keep we weren’t present, we came in afterwards when the majority were dead, went round the side and ended up in a massive brawl on the upper bridge near the west inner gate. The rest of Surmia got back just as we died. Might’ve made the fight if we’d at least had all 80’s in the party

veni vidi vici, bb upgrades on garrison (fully) and hills (half of the upgrades).
Nice try trying to defend garrison :p

So all i need is wake from asleep some 10-30 russian bears and call them to transfer/reg on Vabbi, that’s harder than u can imagine.

Neandramathal.9536:

Froggie.3758:

well that was a fun little skirmish at FoW garrison. Any RoS players want to add in their opinions on it?

It was enjoyable for my guild ([Imp]), although we felt a little alone the majority of the time. There were plenty of RoS there they just didn’t seem to be doing anything most the time :P We warned them not to just charge straight into the ballista’s but they didn’t listen. Got the lord down but couldn’t clear the circle on our own with 4 ballistas and 20 (more?) players there.

I enjoy those chaotic sieges

It was a good skirmish, and for the chronicle, there were 3 ballista and no more than 10 people inside boss chamber at that time..
You IMP people seemed the hardest to knock down and while i am here, i really would like to ask you, how do you manage to permastealth many of your toons? Just wondering, i am always willing to learn new advanced skirmish strategies…

Ilesyt.7084:

veni vidi vici, bb upgrades on garrison (fully) and hills (half of the upgrades).
Nice try trying to defend garrison :p

It is not nice to taunt your opponent, you may not know what it may brings

How humble of you Surmia, not to admit how much your numbers grew in those past weeks, while Vabbi now is almost deserted. You have the people we say you’re having, no need to deny it, we have eyes as well.
Btw, yesterday we were awesome Fow fellas, 3 ballistas and 10-15 people (very rarely we reach 30-40) made the difference! No matter what we keep fighting and believing.

Ivano.2604:

It was a good skirmish, and for the chronicle, there were 3 ballista and no more than 10 people inside boss chamber at that time..
You IMP people seemed the hardest to knock down and while i am here, i really would like to ask you, how do you manage to permastealth many of your toons? Just wondering, i am always willing to learn new advanced skirmish strategies…

I can guarantee we were fighting more than 10 players on the upper bridge as I have (part of) it on video Likely no more than 10 in the inner circle I can agree with but definitely more than 10 in the whole keep :P There was 1 only ballista on the first attack which we took out, certainly 4 on the second attack as I got entangling rooted in the middle of them … erk!

I’m not sure what you mean by perma stealth our toons ^^ We are a 13 man guild but lately rarely have more than 5 online, we have 2 players who have thieves although neither were playing them during that skirmish, we had: 80 War, 80 Guard, 80 Mes, 61 Ele and 17 Ranger.

Effsee.1583:

How humble of you Surmia, not to admit how much your numbers grew in those past weeks, while Vabbi now is almost deserted. You have the people we say you’re having, no need to deny it, we have eyes as well.
Btw, yesterday we were awesome Fow fellas, 3 ballistas and 10-15 people (very rarely we reach 30-40) made the difference! No matter what we keep fighting and believing.

I am more than happy to concede the numbers I’ve said it many times in Surmian /t – Vabbi lost a lot of numbers. I don’t think that Surmia has gained too many numbers it’s simply all the cowards have seen we are winning and joined in. When we move up we will get pummeled but personally I’d just like to get out of this steamroll. This is the first week we’ve properly joined in since it began because we just want to get it over with quicker! I am in agreement RoS has more numbers than FoW, but the gap isn’t as big as it once was

EDIT: Fixed quote.

Ivano.2604:

Ilesyt.7084:

veni vidi vici, bb upgrades on garrison (fully) and hills (half of the upgrades).
Nice try trying to defend garrison :p

It is not nice to taunt your opponent, you may not know what it may brings

Veni vidi vici (too), bb upgrades at dreadfall, garrison, sunnyhills, dawn’s. Your welcome
Now.. let s stop this taunting stuff here :p

Hello everyone,
We are a french guild and other french guilds joined us. It’s been two months since we are on Ruins Surmia.
I give my opinion on the situation of our 3 servers.
Ruins has not seen the community grow, at best a few players on the server are a little WvWvW occasionally.
For cons, the population of which Vabbi 3 weeks of confrontation lined hugely people, declined by at least 80% …
In contrast, we find that FoW has seen its population increased, even with what looks like a night shift.
The fights are unfortunately fades as the imbalance is large, and the French community is bored and lack of motivation to go WvWvW …

I find it very funny that a discussion is open to complain about our numbers, while since the beginning of the game, suffered the same thing without complaining.

Besides delaying our climb, you will not get anything to stay on your server, join us

Good game at all, and a special hi to the guild [Dark] to FoW, which are formidable opponents

Long live the ninth division

Sorry for my English, I use google translate

Yes join us, we will wreak havoc in the upper tier ;p

Well from my perspective as a FoW WvWer, things are rather fun for me and the guild I am in [Claw]. Sure we may not be able to keep all our stuff from RoS but hey, its always fun taking them back.

Also, kitten those two mesmers in [Claw] for being so annoying ^^

Proud of you, RoS. I will be back visiting for next week. I’ve missed you all a lot
-Julia Tranceweaver

Good scrap at mendons just now.

Pesky moa >.>

Stuck with the same matchup again :/ Sooo close to going up a tier >.<

There’s been some good fights the past 3 days ago, and some utterly boring ones :P But mostly I’d like a new matchup simply because everyone knows everyone else. There’s no surprises etc, players know exactly what to expect from other players in battles and strategy.

I still laugh at this topic…Last night was one of the many nights that proved a point… About 5 hours before and until the reset you’ve outnumbered us on each and every BL (i was gone at reset) and had 2 zergs at a time mostly, which was just hell.

I doubt we’re “omgwtfbbq so high population”, but rather some of FoW lost their interest for a real fight and need to be pushed into doing something.

+ I second Neandramathal, we were so close to going up, and you just had to use everything you had to keep us here -.- raise fist in anger

Trust me, we (FoW) were as disappointed as you were that you guys didn’t tier up. I also agree with you, Neandramathal… when i’m able to come on, which is usually night time, it seems its always the same fights with the exact same people. Although, this week it seems some of us have lost interest, as our score is really lacking coming out of the gate. You may yet get your wish. ^^

Well, personally I lost interest last night after 2 fully ugpraded keeps just mysteriously vanished.

After the first one (which was never contested, and no siege) vanished 2 of us went and checked every single keep. I checked hills, all gates/walls on 100%, I went into lord room just incase.. all on 100%. I bring up my map, waypoint to the next keep… the keep turns blue less than 30 seconds later. Less than 10 minutes later a Guardian is spotted within Vabbi Garrison despite all walls/gates on 100%, and none of the 3 respective keeps had been out of Surmian hands since the reset.

BTW – to tier up all you had to do was not take things that last day :P Many of RoS have also lost interest it seems as we have had the outmanned buff for a while tonight, it’s not been that fun of a matchup and most people were pinning their hopes on tiering up last week.

Mysterious like the way you just steal our Garrison you mean? :p

Lol, there was nothing illegal about that. We took down 2 gates fair and square with a golem while you were busy with dawns. Hell we even accidently had swords for 5 seconds at inner gate but you guys didn’t notice ;p

I can confirm that, I was defending Dawns as part of “Operation keep them busy” while we had trebs on both sides giving it an obvious contested marker to distract from the chance of you looking for the golem.

If you read my previous post, the keep wasn’t contested and none of the gates/walls were damaged less than 30s before the keep disappeared.

I see, well played then

:) It’s all about the decoy’s ;D

I have been playing for some time now WvW in my very active 4man guild on FoW^^

It is sometimes frustrating. Not only are we outmanned by RoS, but also we have no real strategy, don’t coordinate. Simple examples are:

• we take a keep and some supply camps, but let the towers on the road the from camp to the keep in the hands of RoS and don’t protect the caravan.
• If we have a secure supply line, we don’t upgrade our keeps (at least the times I was there, and I and my buddy spent our well earned money all alone on the upgrades)
• We build trebuchets in range of the mortars of the keep we are attacking
• we engage big battles as solo heroes… not waiting for the reinforcements behind us and dying another heroic death
• but most of all, we do not well communicate. 2 commanders on the field, 3 plans to follow

It is not only the number thing. The numbers can be quite an advantage sometimes. There are many RoS players that can not win an even fight, because they are used to outnumber the enemy. Today I was smashing RoS players with my buddy even though we were outnumbered 6 to 2.

Is there anywhere in the wide wide web a FoW alliance that could help to organize WvW and make us able to give the surmians at least a good fight?

Thats tottaly why the 5 of us can push 30 fissure guys back just bcoz we run at them… interesting.. as much as i do agree about alot of players not being able to hold their own but its not bcoz were used to zerging its bcoz they are not experniced and the amount of times you out numbered us heavyly and we still held is unreal^^ idk ikittennow this.. you may be new TyPin but theres alot of history between RoS and FoW :P

well u guys rose again in the ranks, congrats^^, but I’m sure we will see u again after the reset. I do not care about the history between 2 servers in a video game. And I am sometimes in awe about some players from RoS, who I respect really much. I do not know their names, but there is a Mesmer and a Warrior with the [Inc] or [Imp]-tag (I forgot which one exactly), who are quite capable. But the times I am online, I see RoS outnumbering FoW heavily (I also have most of the times the “outmaned” boon on me)… and I see the same mistakes on both sides, that’s right… but here is, where the numbers come in. The average player skill, is quite the same…