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Don’t worry, they will megaserver wvw too so it will look busier and healthier in there.

They will toss in some new reward currencies too so all the lemmings will help run trains.

I find it kinda funny that these maps actually create less player vs player combat, not more.

Such s waste of resources .

Give back the old maps anet cmon.

You’re matchup is Aurora Glade and Augury Rock. Do you really think there would be more activity with different maps?
If you do so, then you have completely wrong expectations. You are no longer in t1 or t2. Activity in such matchups have been like this at least since the end of season two.

Welcome to t4, Rajel.

Maybe it’s time for your server to start doing some ppt again. But I guess you and your guild rather go the easy way and transfer back to a t1/t2 server.

Well let me explain you the situation, because you really show lack of knowledge.

Since HoT realease we played in t2/t3 and now t4, do you know the difference between t2 and t4? There is no difference! WvW is dead anyway just read the thousands reply in this forum and you will see that is not related to t4 , even tho AG got a lot of guilds so I don’t really know what you are talking about.

Maybe it’s time for you to look the situation in a neutral way, instead to read just the name of people, but I guess you are a dude with 0 knowledge of the game.

I dunno, I am getting used to the new maps. I run a pretty big guild plus militia and we are training them enough that our enemy servers are showing up for fights. There are definitely things that are bad, auto upgrades come to mind and the “vertical” crap but overall, these maps would be fine with a few tweaks and some people on them:)

@Rajel, your not in the gw2wvw forums where you can lecture people in rude ways. When you want to be rude and a big troll, go there.

Ontopic: Although I really love the new maps, I just have to admit the new borders made WvW dead. Yesterday we were on SFR map and fought nothing. It was empty.

I wouldn’t want the old maps back, but their should be done something to get maps crowded again.

Well when boring players quit WvW it will be much better.

ImLegion.4018:

@Rajel, your not in the gw2wvw forums where you can lecture people in rude ways. When you want to be rude and a big troll, go there.

Ontopic: Although I really love the new maps, I just have to admit the new borders made WvW dead. Yesterday we were on SFR map and fought nothing. It was empty.

I wouldn’t want the old maps back, but their should be done something to get maps crowded again.

I havent been rude at all, just read what that guy said

Anyway as I’ve said I even like a bit this map, but we need people and looks like the only way is to go back old maps.

Don’t think you were being rude, think they were all fair points from an experienced, well known and respected WvW commander in EU.

Some people seem to equate criticism of any sort as hating on Anet or the game itself, it’s not, it’s just passionate feedback from players who love (or used too anyway) WvW.

Like him or not, if you’re a WvW player on EU you’d know who Rajel was and it’s people like him whose feedback Anet should be listening too.

Lose players like that, or players from his guilds and guilds like that and wvw really will be dead.

FSP have a problem with how they play, this is not about the new maps guys.

Learn to play again this game and separate your EB blob full map in the new Bordelands maps.

That’s all, adapt or die

Guilds like TT is so easy to outplay. Just defend and make them bored.

Rajel.8432:

Well let me explain you the situation, because you really show lack of knowledge.

Since HoT realease we played in t2/t3 and now t4, do you know the difference between t2 and t4? There is no difference! WvW is dead anyway just read the thousands reply in this forum and you will see that is not related to t4 , even tho AG got a lot of guilds so I don’t really know what you are talking about.

Maybe it’s time for you to look the situation in a neutral way, instead to read just the name of people, but I guess you are a dude with 0 knowledge of the game.

Thanks for a great example of your “every opinion but mine is invalid and everyone who doesn’t agree is stupid” attitude.
If you can’t respect the opinion of someone of whom you think is a noname: This “dude with 0 knowledge” plays WvW almost since release, has 240k kills and played ~1,5 years in one of the most hardcore EU WvW/GvG guilds.

I played at least as much in EU kitten as you did, so I know exactly what I’m talking about. I made 700 kills this reset, 800 the reset before in t4/t3. There was pretty good action during prime time the whole last week. I constantly see players coming back to WvW from PvE over the last two weeks. WvW being dead might be your personal opinion and point of view and even if many posts on a forum might agree with you, it is not the opinion that everyone has.

Matchups with Augury Rock always had a lack of action on some day. There won’t be 1000 people per server appear out of nowhere if you bring back some old maps, that we already played for three years.
Stop dreaming of the “good old days” and don’t wait for miracles.

Sorry to say but i love the new maps, fights are great and many spots to fight the middle so called PvE event is one massive pvp event like Anet wanted to be.
Also a lot of shortcuts on these maps wich help you if you research it well with your community to easily be able to defend.

Scouts are still needed, but they can be more flexible now cause of the space around the maps and roam more. So that they also can get their fights and the lootbags they want to.

WvW isnt dead mate, issue is just that people are busy building up also their guild halls, if you have noticed that there are insane overpowered WvW upgrades that you MUST have. Also if i hear correctly from other communities more guilds are finally starting to play again, in the more quiet weeks though, i had not even one moment of that it was completely dead.
I AM FULLY ENJOYING THESE MAPS, thnx Anet they are beautiful and great to play on once used to it.

rdb.9258:

Rajel.8432:

Well let me explain you the situation, because you really show lack of knowledge.

Since HoT realease we played in t2/t3 and now t4, do you know the difference between t2 and t4? There is no difference! WvW is dead anyway just read the thousands reply in this forum and you will see that is not related to t4 , even tho AG got a lot of guilds so I don’t really know what you are talking about.

Maybe it’s time for you to look the situation in a neutral way, instead to read just the name of people, but I guess you are a dude with 0 knowledge of the game.

Thanks for a great example of your “every opinion but mine is invalid and everyone who doesn’t agree is stupid” attitude.
If you can’t respect the opinion of someone of whom you think is a noname: This “dude with 0 knowledge” plays WvW almost since release, has 240k kills and played ~1,5 years in one of the most hardcore EU WvW/GvG guilds.

I played at least as much in EU kitten as you did, so I know exactly what I’m talking about. I made 700 kills this reset, 800 the reset before in t4/t3. There was pretty good action during prime time the whole last week. I constantly see players coming back to WvW from PvE over the last two weeks. WvW being dead might be your personal opinion and point of view and even if many posts on a forum might agree with you, it is not the opinion that everyone has.

Matchups with Augury Rock always had a lack of action on some day. There won’t be 1000 people per server appear out of nowhere if you bring back some old maps, that we already played for three years.
Stop dreaming of the “good old days” and don’t wait for miracles.

I’m just wondering why this hate, you started to say my guild want easy way and would come back to t1/t2, when 1 year ago we left tier 1 to go t4, so I don’t really know why you say – Thanks for a great example of your “every opinion but mine is invalid and everyone who doesn’t agree is stupid” attitude – if you read again your comment you can clearly see your provocation.

I respect all people opinion, I speak with a lot of commanders and people from other servers, I don’t think the old maps will make borderlands full 24/7 but I do think people will play on em with more pleasure, I like some mechanics of new map like the radar/sentry thingy, but keeps are just meeeeeh, at north side of the map is nearly impossible to have a decent fight, also so many corridors, how people can even roam and find enemies?

What I think is old maps had their defects and we all waited for this new map and we expected something better, I do understand some tier got fights in off time, but do you have the same amount of fights as before? Do you see more or the same amount of roamers or people that liked to upgrade stuff? Personally I didn’t, I don’t want to speak for others but looking at the amount of replies in this forum I don’t say a lie if it looks like that the majority of wvw players aren’t enjoying desert bls.

snarfrificus.4230:

so called PvE event is one massive pvp event like Anet wanted to be.

More accurately it is one massive lag fest, and much like the rest of the map and new mechanisms a fine example of Anet’s almost non-existent testing.

zinkz.7045:

snarfrificus.4230:

so called PvE event is one massive pvp event like Anet wanted to be.

More accurately it is one massive lag fest, and much like the rest of the map and new mechanisms a fine example of Anet’s almost non-existent testing.

So you want to apply for a job there? I mean it sounds like you can fix it plz do so. I mean who is saying that they arent trying to search for an answer and its just really hard to find. Remember its still a company and still has an budget they need to think of. If you work yourself you should know it.

Eh, I don’t mind the new map, I’m getting used to it. But I really do not like that center event — it does indeed lag out the entire map, causing crashes.

I’d be happy if they removed it.

Jayne.9251:

Eh, I don’t mind the new map, I’m getting used to it. But I really do not like that center event — it does indeed lag out the entire map, causing crashes.

I’d be happy if they removed it.

Even if they remove it they are not able to fix the lag with it, i mean blob vs blob still brings massive lag.
So they need to fix the lag and that is a very difficult issue.

snarfrificus.4230:

Jayne.9251:

Eh, I don’t mind the new map, I’m getting used to it. But I really do not like that center event — it does indeed lag out the entire map, causing crashes.

I’d be happy if they removed it.

Even if they remove it they are not able to fix the lag with it, i mean blob vs blob still brings massive lag.
So they need to fix the lag and that is a very difficult issue.

There is lag involved with blobs, but I can only go by what I experience on my end and know that every time that event pops up my computer crashes if I get near a big group while it’s running. And I never had that issue encountering big fights/blobs before.

Others have complained of similar experience.

not that hard to get ppl to come play WvW, just drop legendary crafting mat. Reward ranks with ascended armor and weapon.

Jayne.9251:

snarfrificus.4230:

Jayne.9251:

Eh, I don’t mind the new map, I’m getting used to it. But I really do not like that center event — it does indeed lag out the entire map, causing crashes.

I’d be happy if they removed it.

Even if they remove it they are not able to fix the lag with it, i mean blob vs blob still brings massive lag.
So they need to fix the lag and that is a very difficult issue.

There is lag involved with blobs, but I can only go by what I experience on my end and know that every time that event pops up my computer crashes if I get near a big group while it’s running. And I never had that issue encountering big fights/blobs before.

Others have complained of similar experience.

Always had this on EB before the expansion so for me there is no change just pressing 1 harder lol.

People end up in EB anyway, and that becomes a zerg-fest/K-train.

The borders are alright during prime time, outside that, otherwise we have the OS/Guild Arena; for fights at least.

I could care less about the PPT side, since that is still coverage-wars, the worst change IMO, is the automated upgrades; which makes things harder to flip back with lower numbers and people don’t really need to pay attention anymore.

Jayne.9251:

Eh, I don’t mind the new map, I’m getting used to it. But I really do not like that center event — it does indeed lag out the entire map, causing crashes.

I’d be happy if they removed it.

Not minding the map seems to be a pretty common theme. Like saying “I dont mind that I’m dying from cancer because at least the cigarettes solved my chronic need to suck on something”. I really do think Anet can do so much better for WvW than perpetual “meh its bugged as all kitten but I dont mind”. But granted I have been known to be wrong.

The new borders don’t need to be removed, but they should be fixed. They have some advantages like shrines, lots of choke points and terrain features making fights more interesting.

They have too many issues though. Issues which make them a bad option to play with a smaller group. They have been described in many threads.

Sadly we must face one obvious fact:

WvW is just a cherry on a big PvE/PvP cake. It’s just a little extra. Even if Anet decided to shut it down GW2 would do perfectly fine as a whole.

Moreover the content which involves fighting players needs less attention. No need to add extra maps every few months to keep people playing. This is why it tends to be a bit forgotten. In the end it will go on somehow.

rdb.9258:

Thanks for a great example of your “every opinion but mine is invalid and everyone who doesn’t agree is stupid” attitude.
If you can’t respect the opinion of someone of whom you think is a noname: This “dude with 0 knowledge” plays WvW almost since release, has 240k kills and played ~1,5 years in one of the most hardcore EU WvW/GvG guilds.

I played at least as much in EU kitten as you did, so I know exactly what I’m talking about. I made 700 kills this reset, 800 the reset before in t4/t3. There was pretty good action during prime time the whole last week. I constantly see players coming back to WvW from PvE over the last two weeks. WvW being dead might be your personal opinion and point of view and even if many posts on a forum might agree with you, it is not the opinion that everyone has.

Matchups with Augury Rock always had a lack of action on some day. There won’t be 1000 people per server appear out of nowhere if you bring back some old maps, that we already played for three years.
Stop dreaming of the “good old days” and don’t wait for miracles.

No?

The amount of activity pre-HoT in WvW was not nearly as empty to what it currently is.
Meanwhile servers are flagged as full for no apparent reason whatsoever, only according to their “calculations”.

Stop being an Anet apologist when you know they give absolutely no attention to the gamemode, contrary to what was stated before. Have you seen any dev responses on this forum? Have you seen the same amount of healthy activity on borders in and out of primetime? No you obviously haven’t. You said that you played on Prime and got 700-800 kills. How many of those were the same players? I’d put money on it being the same people entire night, because they knew that if they went to another border they’d be met with lag and PvE.

Also the design of the new map is completely alien. Previously taking towers had tactical advantages, because you could pressure major objectives from them.

Auto-upgrade just encourages people to leave the objectives and log off. Knowing they’d be upgraded anyway. The entirety of the map was casualised.

Face it.

It’s a minigame to them. And the only reason to play Gw2 for us.

funassistant.6589:

The entirety of the map was casualised.

it’s exactly that.

Engelsstaub.4356:

… Even if Anet decided to shut it down GW2 would do perfectly fine as a whole.

Many people, Anet themselves also, underestimate how many people play GW2 primarily for WvW purposes.
The communities on every single server that build up around them, the countless guild websites, community websites, TS/Mumble/Vent servers that are run for WvW etc etc.,

PVE is an aside to WvW that many have been forced, almost dragged kicking and screaming into. Take away the WvW and this game dies whether they admit it or not.

There’s only so much kitten esport pvp people can take and the pve in this game, let’s face it, being honest, is monotonous and casual, after a week or so even the loot raining down from the PVE maps get’s tiresome.

There’s nothing more enjoyable than fighting against real players, in open maps, with the excellent combat system in this game.

Small roaming, small groups, big blobs, organised or not, whatever, nothing in any other current MMO comes close to it other than maybe PlanetSide 2 if it wasn’t pay2win, but that’s an MMOFPS anyway.

How the powers that be in Anet have failed to grasp the enormity of potential they could have from a game mode (if time and effort were put into it proper by them) in their MMO is beyond me, really, can’t understand it at all.

ballymun.3986:

There’s nothing more enjoyable than fighting against real players, in open maps, with the excellent combat system in this game.

Amen

funassistant.6589:

Stop being an Anet apologist when you know they give absolutely no attention to the gamemode, contrary to what was stated before. blablablablabla players? I’d put money on it being the same people entire night, because they knew that if they went to another border they’d be met with lag and PvE.

Also the design of the new map is completely alien. Previously taking towers had tactical advantages, because you could pressure major objectives from them.

Auto-upgrade just encourages people to leave the objectives and log off. Knowing they’d be upgraded anyway. The entirety of the map was casualised.

Face it.

It’s a minigame to them. And the only reason to play Gw2 for us.

You got your opinion, I got mine.
It’s ridiculous how you try to find something negative even in 700 kills at one evening. I’m still having fun in WvW and get my part of the action.
Yes, there is quite a lot room for more activity and the communication is awful, respectively non-existent, but I resist to go full rage mode and insult the devs wherever I can like some people do, that would just be unmature and not help at all.

Who did insult devs here? I do not see any insult from anyone. Anyway you gave another example “reset”, ok how many topics have been opened about the fact that people don’t like the reset on suturday evening? But this is another topic, but another example how anet don’t really listen wvw community.

Anyway matchup is not only about reset and you know it, I wonder if people can have some fun roaming, since this map is really a killer regarding roamers or those people that liked to scout and upgrade.

Everybody can have his own opinion, but as I’ve said if the majority of players don’t like this map is not a lie.

Old maps + new maps. And then let anet see how everyone goes back to the old ones. i think that would prove it.

Yeah I agree, to be honest I would let EBG + 3 Alpine Bls + 1 Desert Bls and GG we still have desert map and the classic alpine bls.

Anyway just test us anet, give us one week alpine bls and check the activity.

Rajel.8432:

Yeah I agree, to be honest I would let EBG + 3 Alpine Bls + 1 Desert Bls and GG we still have desert map and the classic alpine bls.

Anyway just test us anet, give us one week alpine bls and check the activity.

they will use the excuse “patchs have came afterwards, we should do stuffs with the map to set it up for coming back again and blablablabla” basically they would not bring it back any time soon like they did not bring back the friday reset after 20 pages of rages.

@junkpile go back following funny sunny bunny in eotm, the place you belong since you’re just troll-replying and insulting tt.

on my side i would accept the desert borderland if:
1 waypoints in all keeps AS UPGRADE and not permanent in the towers
2 if not the first, more direct ways to get from garrison to briar/lake
3 bring bay (fire keep) above the sand, not below
4: change white swords to yellow because there is too much white in the map to notice them

I think WvW died around 1.5 years ago when the massive transfers due to season 2 (rewards) destroyed any balance and made it obvious for everyone that:

current scoring (PPT) is meaningless and scores nothing than off-time PvD force

I really wonder that WvW made it 1.5 years while (nearly) no one believes that it is a meaningful competition.

Of course this had it’s effect, people use WvW more often for something not related to match-win/PPT than before, e.g. GvG, Scrims, …
I really wonder, if the unsuitability of the EotM-Map for fights is the only reason why they still do that in WvW and not in EotM. Would the old borderlands be available in EotM-Mode would everyone be there?

Anyway, it’s not the new maps that killed WvW, it’s the meaninless scorin that did it slowly during the last 1.5 years, now it’s just obvious, especially as many that also played WvW before are now busy in the HoT expansion.

What you say is correct for one reason:ppl as I hear play PVE like maniacs since update. So ye new maps at the moment are for karma train.i bet though that in a league or when ppl get bored of the pve content ,WWW new maps will be a much better place for most of the ppl compare to old ones. Just go and watch which server are "dying"since update. SFR-FSP and Desolation even they are now no1 ,are complaining about new maps too and their guilds just like fsp. Servers with normal size guild raids that play the game properly are having a blast as you see in this forum.

So yes,new maps are more than ok.ADAPT as most of the ppl here said or uninstall.

DmG.1953:

What you say is correct for one reason:ppl as I hear play PVE like maniacs since update. So ye new maps at the moent are for karma train.i bet though that in a league or when ppl get bored of the pve content ,WWW new maps will be a much better place for most of the ppl compare to old ones. Just go and watch which server are "dying"since update. SFR-FSP(cause they only blobbed at prime time or 24/7 against SFR for one mans madness or even 2 and Desolation even they are now no1 ,are complaining about new maps too and their guilds just like fsp. Server that normal size guild raids and played the game properly are having a blast as you see in this forum.

So yes,new maps are more than ok.ADAPT as most of the ppl here said or uninstall.

I play NA so those servers mean nothing to me, and the “people are playing PvE” excuse might have worked for the first couple weeks but how long are people going to keep repeating that nonsense?

Look through the threads, you will see the majority of the people that don’t like the new map are the roamers, home bl defenders, and small guilds that religiously played the alpine map and now have nothing to do.
These aren’t the people that played WvW when there is nothing else to do, these are the people that would spend hours every day doing nothing but WvW. They aren’t PvE’ing, they are logging in to try and play the game mode they have loved for years and finding it so broken that they log off after an hour.

telling people to act “like an adult” vs “you are a troll” and “you keep saying your crap”.

gj, Rajel

saying it again: learn to accept other peoples opinion. you are noone special and everyones opinion has the same worth than yours.

rdb.9258:

telling people to act “like an adult” vs “you are a troll” and “you keep saying your crap”.

gj, Rajel

saying it again: learn to accept other peoples opinion. you are noone special and everyones opinion has the same worth than yours.

Yeah thanks for your opinion, unfortunately you were one that provoked like your friend DmG, enjoy guys your childish attitude with provocation, I’m done with you.

The prb in this official forum is that he and ppl like him cant talk like they want to talk.One more big prb is that here they are the minority instead of the majority they are in another forum. in any case new maps for me are more than welcomed.i would like this game to have less servers so WWW will have ppl playing all day and night and make it interesting again so I could return and play. with 27 servers ,while only one has coverage I find it not a good idea still .
Rajel I already told you who I was in game.it seems though that youre here only to QQ to anet. in anycase ADAPT.bye.

DmG.1953:

I don’t play anymore ,but I came here with plessure to see you QQing about this updates new maps.

So you are defending the new map just to kitten off Rajel?

…. If you have a problem with him that is your business but please find some other way to troll him. WvW hasn’t been in a great place for the past year and a half but the changes HoT brought are destroying what little fun was left in it. You are hurting more than just him by supporting it.

Jim Hunter.6821:

DmG.1953:

I don’t play anymore ,but I came here with plessure to see you QQing about this updates new maps.

So you are defending the new map just to kitten off Rajel?

…. If you have a problem with him that is your business but please find some other way to troll him. WvW hasn’t been in a great place for the past year and a half but the changes HoT brought are destroying what little fun was left in it. You are hurting more than just him by supporting it.

I disagree and I’m not here to provoke rajel.it just happened to hear from old friends that he is qqing in off forum.
IN EU servers like JS-VS-AG-RS and some more are rising to the top again and servers that only monoblobbed are collapsing.For me that’s healthy and good.If you are having prbs with new maps maybe you are in such server as I mentioned.i really don’t know about US servers but this topic was made from a EU guild and even server leader…or at least one of them.

please stop insulting others, Rajel. thanks.

Ironicly the opposite of DmG’s comment is true, the servers that mainly had roamers and small groups recapping/skirmishing over objectives and guilds detiering and coming to defense calls, have pretty much stopped and the pure ppt karmatrainers now have risen rather then the so called ’’monoblob’’ servers.

New upgrade system. lack of +5 claiming acces for solo/small groups, distance traveled, have all had more impact on the ppt then ‘’ monoblobs’’.

Then we have guilds that also stopped bothering cause the so called ktrains either move after 1 wipe, or disband and return till said guilds log off again, which leaves the ktrain servers to rise rather then those ‘’ monoblob ’’.

DmG.1953:

Jim Hunter.6821:

DmG.1953:

I don’t play anymore ,but I came here with plessure to see you QQing about this updates new maps.

So you are defending the new map just to kitten off Rajel?

…. If you have a problem with him that is your business but please find some other way to troll him. WvW hasn’t been in a great place for the past year and a half but the changes HoT brought are destroying what little fun was left in it. You are hurting more than just him by supporting it.

I disagree and I’m not here to provoke rajel.it just happened to hear from old friends that he is qqing in off forum.
IN EU servers like JS-VS-AG-RS and some more are rising to the top again and servers that only monoblobbed are collapsing.For me that’s healthy and good.If you are having prbs with new maps maybe you are in such server as I mentioned.i really don’t know about US servers but this topic was made from a EU guild and even server leader…or at least one of them.

The servers that relied on small groups to outmaneuver the omni blob are collapsing. Taking a tower with <5 people takes too long, the omni blob can easily respond in time if they chose to. But they usually don’t because while the small groups are spending 30+ minutes per tower they can flip more than half a map in the same amount of time.

What A-Net needs to do is combine the lower pop servers so that they can compete in higher tiers making WvW more competitive and more enjoyable because its not fun to run around a WvW map and not find anyone.

Nightlock.4379:

What A-Net needs to do is combine the lower pop servers so that they can compete in higher tiers making WvW more competitive and more enjoyable because its not fun to run around a WvW map and not find anyone.

Do you think people don’t know how to transfer?
In the past year I have played in NA T2-7. Roaming the bl was pretty much the same across all tiers. The higher up you went the bigger the roaming groups would become (close to prime time) but the frequency of the fights was pretty much the same.
The biggest difference across tiers is coverage and the size of the pug blob.

Merging servers won’t magically fix all the problems with the new system that is driving roamers away.

www died …. anyone play in the new borderland ….. I’m with Rajel, back to old maps … or at least should improve these …. remove the PvE event, put the waypoints in old hills and bay, decrease the size of hills and bay, now in small groups, you can not play …. take a keep for 6-7 people is boring, too long … i want old WvW…this is my opinion