Guild Wars 2

Will the WvW npc champions ( tower npc!) get access to the new champion loot ?
Would be nice!
Ty!

My guess is yes, would be nice to see some skins unique to WvW also.

Would also be nice to know if the purple NPC ( legendary?) qualify as " Champion" ( beeing stronger) for the new loot, imagine the Stonemist Unique Skin! ( would be super cool)

Auron.9812:

Would also be nice to know if the purple NPC ( legendary?) qualify as " Champion" ( beeing stronger) for the new loot, imagine the Stonemist Unique Skin! ( would be super cool)

Instead you get a white item skin on the item

But I would also like to know about the legendary ones as well. They said champions in Fractals would get it, but I don’t remember many (I think only the squire in the Ascalon one, and maybe the four in the mad asura/jp one) champions being in fractals.

So basically: Lord room fights where the lord goes up and down a few times a fight are going to become rather lucrative.

Syktek.7912:

So basically: Lord room fights where the lord goes up and down a few times a fight are going to become rather lucrative.

I don’t actually think that a rezzed lord give loot.
Might be wrong though.

Usually those sorts of fights span 30+ minutes so yes, the lord does drop loot each time.

lordkrall.7241:

Syktek.7912:

So basically: Lord room fights where the lord goes up and down a few times a fight are going to become rather lucrative.

I don’t actually think that a rezzed lord give loot.
Might be wrong though.

You are wrong, they give loot every time they die. Who knows how that works with champion bags though.

ColinJohanson.2394:

Yes, they will also drop them in WvW.

And legendary mobs will indeed also get champion loot rewards.

so what about the champions tied to meta events, like the shaman at the maw. you already get similar rewards to the world bosses but he’s only champ level.

ColinJohanson.2394:

Yes, they will also drop them in WvW.

And legendary mobs will indeed also get champion loot rewards.

Is there some sort of limit or timer? Otherwise nobody will upgrade or defend anything anymore and zergs going in a circle around the maps flipping towers will be the norm.

zerospin.8604:

ColinJohanson.2394:

Yes, they will also drop them in WvW.

And legendary mobs will indeed also get champion loot rewards.

Is there some sort of limit or timer? Otherwise nobody will upgrade or defend anything anymore and zergs going in a circle around the maps flipping towers will be the norm.

This is already the case. Upgrades and defending hinder the karma train.

The more interesting question is, will WvW champion lords have a unique loot bag or will they share it with other mob types in PvE?

ColinJohanson.2394:

Yes, they will also drop them in WvW.

And legendary mobs will indeed also get champion loot rewards.

Colin tell me if this is correct.

if the supervisor or lord die, drop the new bag.

but if some warrior revives with Battle Standard (or normal revive) this supervisor/lord can re-release the bag AGAIN? repeat infinite times this???? sound like exploit…

PD: My English is bad, I hope you understand me.

Shiren.9532:

The more interesting question is, will WvW champion lords have a unique loot bag or will they share it with other mob types in PvE?

And what types if so.

LameFox.6349:

Shiren.9532:

The more interesting question is, will WvW champion lords have a unique loot bag or will they share it with other mob types in PvE?

And what types if so.

Probably whatever race that particular keep lord is. So a human would give human (or bandit?) bags, a charr would give charr bags etc.

Shiren.9532:

zerospin.8604:

ColinJohanson.2394:

Yes, they will also drop them in WvW.

And legendary mobs will indeed also get champion loot rewards.

Is there some sort of limit or timer? Otherwise nobody will upgrade or defend anything anymore and zergs going in a circle around the maps flipping towers will be the norm.

This is already the case. Upgrades and defending hinder the karma train.

The more interesting question is, will WvW champion lords have a unique loot bag or will they share it with other mob types in PvE?

It’s not at all the case. Nobody who plays WvW needs karma. And you get both karma and WXP for defending. You don’t get loot bags with unique skins and crafting mats for defending. My question still stands. Will it be limited in any way or are upgrades and tower defending a thing of the past, and all we can expect after next patch are infinite golem rushes vs undefended doors in circles around the map?

Note the huge caveat: “if you qualify” for the loot, you get the bag. No one’s said what qualifies you. There could be a bag limit per day.

Donari.5237:

Note the huge caveat: “if you qualify” for the loot, you get the bag. No one’s said what qualifies you. There could be a bag limit per day.

It means that if you qualify to roll for loot in general. If you did enough damage to the champion that you will get loot for killing it, you will also get the champion bag.

Donari.5237:

Note the huge caveat: “if you qualify” for the loot, you get the bag. No one’s said what qualifies you. There could be a bag limit per day.

If you would have a chance at regular loot from the mob (as in you’re above the minimum damage done to get loot) you get the bonus. So basically hit it a few times, collect loot.

I understand that part. The question is how often you can qualify. Like on world bosses where you can only get the bonus chest once a day no matter how much you damage them the second time around. You don’t qualify for the bonus the second time you slaughter SB.

Shiren.9532:

zerospin.8604:

ColinJohanson.2394:

Yes, they will also drop them in WvW.

And legendary mobs will indeed also get champion loot rewards.

Is there some sort of limit or timer? Otherwise nobody will upgrade or defend anything anymore and zergs going in a circle around the maps flipping towers will be the norm.

This is already the case. Upgrades and defending hinder the karma train.

^this
WvW Meta is self-destructive and needs real overhauls (not titles and 1% bonuses)

• one possible solution: when players guarding a camp or tower are greatly outnumbered, they also become Champions themselves and drop this loot if they managed to kill some opponents before eventually being defeated.

Sorry but won’t this limit players who don’t zerg? The only champions are inside heavily fortified towers and keeps that can only be taken down by zergs, which are widely despised by every WvW player. Can you please add more champions outside the keeps and towers?

Sirendor.1394:

Sorry but won’t this limit players who don’t zerg? The only champions are inside heavily fortified towers and keeps that can only be taken down by zergs, which are widely despised by every WvW player. Can you please add more champions outside the keeps and towers?

Hm?
A tower can easily be taken by a small group.
Same with a keep if the group is good enough.

Sirendor.1394:

Sorry but won’t this limit players who don’t zerg? The only champions are inside heavily fortified towers and keeps that can only be taken down by zergs, which are widely despised by every WvW player. Can you please add more champions outside the keeps and towers?

A small group can in fact take towers

If champions didnt drop these new lootbags people would complain aswell.

I dont think this will be an issue as people think it will be, if you really want to farm champions and get lootbags then there are far faster and better ways that dont involve spending money and badges on getting siege.

I’m glad they actually didnt forget WvW, for a change.

nice exploit if you can find people from different worlds to cooperate. Can take turns capping the SMC lord after the righteous indignation buff wears off. All opponents just stay in the lord room to kill the enemy mobs only, not enemy players, so that the rate of farming the champion SMC lord can be sped up.

Isn’t it once a day you can get the chest from the same npc?
Other wise people may indeed farm.

Verdelet Arconia.6987:

nice exploit if you can find people from different worlds to cooperate. Can take turns capping the SMC lord after the righteous indignation buff wears off. All opponents just stay in the lord room to kill the enemy mobs only, not enemy players, so that the rate of farming the champion SMC lord can be sped up.

Not only is this very unlikely, but even IF this happend? You get to kill a Champion once every 10min?

Gee, not like we have plenty of world Champions that can be farmed silly. Getting you more then an average of 1 Champ per 10min.

So those that want to farm Champions will just do it in PvE. I think people seriously overestimate this as an issue.

Terrahero.9358:

Verdelet Arconia.6987:

nice exploit if you can find people from different worlds to cooperate. Can take turns capping the SMC lord after the righteous indignation buff wears off. All opponents just stay in the lord room to kill the enemy mobs only, not enemy players, so that the rate of farming the champion SMC lord can be sped up.

Not only is this very unlikely, but even IF this happend? You get to kill a Champion once every 10min?

Gee, not like we have plenty of world Champions that can be farmed silly. Getting you more then an average of 1 Champ per 10min.

So those that want to farm Champions will just do it in PvE. I think people seriously overestimate this as an issue.

Imagine fight in Garrison

-kill the Lord (loot)
-random warrior use Battle Standard
-Kill again the Lord (loot)
-Repeat infinite times

I’m WvW user and is normal kill the Lord, in big fights 4 o 5 times in longest fights (more than 15 min)

Piscore.6934:

Imagine fight in Garrison

-kill the Lord (loot)
-random warrior use Battle Standard
-Kill again the Lord (loot)
-Repeat infinite times

I’m WvW user and is normal kill the Lord, in big fights 4 o 5 times in longest fights (more than 15 min)

So it would be like the Vault’s event in Ashford, or just bouncing between champions in Queensdale?

I suspect in this case, they’ll probably just opt for the chances of good loot to be low. There’s so many champions available in the game, even just at low levels, that you’d be hard pressed to run out anyway… making it only once a day wouldn’t stop from farming them, only get in the way of people who wanted a specific item. Who may as well just go to all the others instead and make the money to buy it from someone else.

Anet have boosted loot dropped by champions at least twice before and everyone still thinks champions drop rubbish loot…

So, don’t get too excited by this…the chances are after patch everyone is massively disappointed by champion drops…

Piscore.6934:

Imagine fight in Garrison

-kill the Lord (loot)
-random warrior use Battle Standard
-Kill again the Lord (loot)
-Repeat infinite times

I’m WvW user and is normal kill the Lord, in big fights 4 o 5 times in longest fights (more than 15 min)

PvE champ is still faster: Claw of Jormag spawns 2 (if I am not mistaken every 2 – 3 minutes), Battery defend in teq spawn area, spawn 2 (if you kill them faster, it may spawn 8 in total). Many events in Orr, spawn 1 or 2 champ (not to mention you can make train to harvest champ). In addition of that PvE has less risk (you will hardly die as all around you are allies), champ event will be scaled (which mean you can do damage to achieve damage threshold easily), etc. Now compare it with WvW: You fight NPC and players. Your risk to die is higher, lord died too fast in zerg, you are constantly moving (if this loots drop same as other wvw loot drop, you will missed it a lot).

Getting 4 – 5 loots in 15 minutes from champ in WvW is slower than getting them in PvE.

But it’s good to see this change affects WvW as well.

This sounds like it has the potential to cause all kinds of chaos in WvW as the masses try to exploit the new loot system.

The Champions in WvW do not drop multiple bags as has been my experience so far. We were fighting for Hills this morning. Pulled the lord out, killed him, he got rezzed a few minutes later, killed again, and no loot at all the second time around. Now if you cap a tower or keep, run around, lose it, come back to cap again, I don’t know for sure as we are usually switching BGs frequently in my Guild to hit other objectives. . More to follow if I find out.