Guild Wars 2

CETheLucid.3964:

Hi. I thought I’d drop a little perspective into your hyperbole. Free of charge.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/04/03/how-much-do-game-developers-make
http://www.simplyhired.com/salaries-k-garbage-collector-jobs.html

48k for QA? lol no..

Try 28k to 33k. And that’s in Bellevue. An expensive part of the country.

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/ArenaNet-Salaries-E255820.htm

Lucky.9421:

48k for QA? lol no..

Try 28k to 33k. And that’s in Bellevue. An expensive part of the country.

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/ArenaNet-Salaries-E255820.htm

Sure buddy.

CETheLucid.3964:

Lucky.9421:

48k for QA? lol no..

Try 28k to 33k. And that’s in Bellevue. An expensive part of the country.

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/ArenaNet-Salaries-E255820.htm

Sure buddy.

Link has statements from Anet employees themselves, rather than being just some article from a gaming site. Which is what your link was.

CETheLucid.3964:

Yeah, and the snowflake exploit wasn’t an exploit either.

Hyper inflation due to being ‘forced to farm because it’s so profitable halp me i cant stop’ isn’t going to destroy the economy or be looked at as a malicious attempt to that end.

Neeeevaaaar.

You’re saying that Anet doesn’t intend for people to farm the event like this right? Despite putting in obscene rewards, no downtime between matches, and no diminishing returns.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you think their intentions are? I’m just following the game it’s meant to be played. By Anet. Why they made such choices is beyond me.

Also I assure you I have no interest in crashing the economy “malicious” or otherwise. I just want to make myself rich without exploiting the game. The health of the economy is hardly my concern.

Besides, Dunwell was mechanically broken before it was first patched. It’s as it should have been now.

I find it really funny at those people who are saying that it’s an exploit and people farming are exploiters. It’s clearly not an exploit. If you check another Dreadeye thread, the person there stated in the patch notes that Anet fixed Dreadeye so to “reduce farming efficiency.” That shows that they know that people are farming, are fine with people farming, and want to make it harder for people to farm him.

It’s NOT an exploit in any way. If it were, Anet would not have provided this “fix” and nothing else.

CETheLucid.3964:

Yeah, and the snowflake exploit wasn’t an exploit either.

Don’t forget the karma weapons exploit that totally wasn’t an exploit. It was totally the devs’ fault for putting it in the game like that! Those who took advantage were totally just playing it as the devs implemented! (yeah right)

Manoa.5897:

CETheLucid.3964:

Yeah, and the snowflake exploit wasn’t an exploit either.

Don’t forget the karma weapons exploit that totally wasn’t an exploit. It was totally the devs’ fault for putting it in the game like that! Those who took advantage were totally just playing it as the devs implemented! (yeah right)

The low price of karma weapons at that time was clearly an oversight. I’m yet to see any indication that the developers have made some mistake here despite having patched the gauntlet twice.

bhagwad.4281:

Manoa.5897:

CETheLucid.3964:

Yeah, and the snowflake exploit wasn’t an exploit either.

Don’t forget the karma weapons exploit that totally wasn’t an exploit. It was totally the devs’ fault for putting it in the game like that! Those who took advantage were totally just playing it as the devs implemented! (yeah right)

The low price of karma weapons at that time was clearly an oversight. I’m yet to see any indication that the developers have made some mistake here despite having patched the gauntlet twice.

Exactly.

If it was truly an exploit, why would the solution to the exploit be to make the exploit harder? That would make absolutely no sense at all.

In general, when you have PERMANENT content, the last thing you want is a sure way for people to exploit the mechanics of that content (it’s not AN exploit, but its taking advantage of a certain mechanic) to get lots of money very fast. This can play havoc on the markets very fast if people can start to farm up to 100g+ very fast.

Even as a mesmer, half trying, I can do a 4 gambit run in ~45 seconds, and not even in zerker gear. And a 4 gambit runs costs 5 tickets, and will give me ~10-15 sprockets back, and ~50-60s. Even if you had to rebuy all your tickets and sprockets you’re doing especially a 30s+ profit every 45 seconds. It’s very easy to see how this could quickily mess with the economy, and also make it so that people who play certain classes that can do this easily get a lot more money than others.

With thieves right now it’s very easy because they can chain blind them (same with glamour mesmers who trait for blinds btw).

Excalibur.9748:

Really disappointed in ANET they let this drag on for too long without penalizing the exploiters and no compensation for people who didn’t attempt to exploit this.

I’m going to say this again for a 3rd time. Farming this is not an exploit (people assume making money in any way is an exploit these days.. by that logic doing everything especially TP flipping would be an exploit.. guess whakittens not) This isn’t a farm everyone can do, it does take practice and a solid rotation; that many give up on before they find it even with a video guide.

Take GW1 for example: 55 Monks, 130 Dervish, Invincible Assassins, SoS Rits/Rangers, Mist form Eles, Trap Rangers, to some extent WAMMOs, ect; all of them use a precise build,class,gear, and execution. And not a single one of them were an exploit its called a farm build – its no different here with this in GW2.

If you played GW1 for pretty much any amount of time you would know this, Youtube my above examples and watch the millions of videos if you don’t understand just how farm-able things could be.

Lucky.9421:

CETheLucid.3964:

Lucky.9421:

48k for QA? lol no..

Try 28k to 33k. And that’s in Bellevue. An expensive part of the country.

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/ArenaNet-Salaries-E255820.htm

Sure buddy.

Link has statements from Anet employees themselves, rather than being just some article from a gaming site. Which is what your link was.

Manoa posted salaries with visas going back to 2006 where the lowest salary (in 2006) was 35K for the Chinese localization specialist.

The average tends to be 64K and with costs of living certainly having gone up over the years and my link being as recent as 2012 as a general estimate, the truth is probably around there.

The QA guy makes above what a trash collector makes, which is the point I was making to begin with.

Moving into the Glassdoor bit with KillerAngel, Anet actually has a fairly decent rating on Glassdoor (for what it’s worth: http://www.workplacedynamics.com/blog/uncategorized/how-accurate-are-job-review-sites/) for it’s number of reviews and none of the reviews are gushy one-sided things. They were very honest.

It was an interesting read, appreciated the link.

With regards to you, your link tells us what one guy (maybe) makes, in respect to himself. You’re basing this off of one salary data entry that may or may not be anonymous.

We can’t even know how the company works internally that this one guy get’s paid this sum while another guy may get paid something else due to his position as a temp VS regular for example.

Regardless, I’m not going to make an account on Glassdoor to argue semantics with you. You’re clearly more invested in this then I am.

Vixena.3821:

bhagwad.4281:

Manoa.5897:

CETheLucid.3964:

Yeah, and the snowflake exploit wasn’t an exploit either.

Don’t forget the karma weapons exploit that totally wasn’t an exploit. It was totally the devs’ fault for putting it in the game like that! Those who took advantage were totally just playing it as the devs implemented! (yeah right)

The low price of karma weapons at that time was clearly an oversight. I’m yet to see any indication that the developers have made some mistake here despite having patched the gauntlet twice.

Exactly.

If it was truly an exploit, why would the solution to the exploit be to make the exploit harder? That would make absolutely no sense at all.

Well the thing with the cultural weapons exploit was the karma needed for the items was off by a factor of 10 or 100, I don’t recall. Though that and the snowflake thing were also just “menu bosses” which kind of a different thing from actual playing of the game.

CETheLucid.3964:

Manoa posted salaries with visas going back to 2006 where the lowest salary (in 2006) was 35K for the Chinese localization specialist.

There have been big changes at Anet since 2006, read the detailed personal accounts at my link. But we’re getting off topic, I don’t want to get this thread scrubbed.

They only removed a Warrior Zerker’s ability to farm him.

He can still be farmed on mesmers and thiefs.

What was nerfed exactly?

CETheLucid.3964:

Firebaall.5127:

Phoenixfudge.5290:

Source.

Do your own homework, unless you want to pay me for doing it for you. Little hint…..the garbage collectors earn in the neighborhood are above 50K per year.

…Anet programmers….trash collecting would be a step up.

There’s a couple that earn a decent wage, but you’re a fool if you think that’s even a portion of those doing the grunt work for this game. Most of them can’t pay cost of living for that region.

…fact.

Hi. I thought I’d drop a little perspective into your hyperbole. Free of charge.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/04/03/how-much-do-game-developers-make
http://www.simplyhired.com/salaries-k-garbage-collector-jobs.html

While I agree with you, the fact that you mentioned hyperbole and then linked an article with

These statistics are garnered from The Game Developer Salary Survey conducted by Game Developer Magazine. The study pinpoints the average salary at “mainstream” US-based companies during 2011 at $81,192 (up from $80,817 in 2010).

in it is pretty bad. The above is the equivalent of saying “well my friend’s cousin’s neighber’s brother said he roughly makes about $100,000 a year on a good year when he gets a random bonus”.

You didn’t need to use anything so poorly written for the argument. I think we are all smart enough to realize they probably pay their programmers more than the garbage men. That said, it’s still really bad programming so they don’t deserve much. The last few living stories have been a clinic on what not to do when it comes to game programming. It screams of spaghetti code,

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

You didn’t need to use anything so poorly written for the argument. I think we are all smart enough to realize they probably pay their programmers more than the garbage men. That said, it’s still really bad programming so they don’t deserve much. The last few living stories have been a clinic on what not to do when it comes to game programming. It screams of spaghetti code,

Free of charge > Quality carefully thought out research post

Took me like 30 seconds to gather all that. It’s common sense really. If people want to get pedantic about things, I’ll only play that game so far.

In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn’t matter what you say when you reduce your arguments into a form of lynching-with-words on the devs.

You invalidate your complaints when you preface it or end it with “lol the devs suck” or “it’s the devs fault I’m being such a greedy pig with this lucrative farm lolololol im done u can nerf it now or else my gold will be worthless QQ”.

If Anet is guilty of anything, it’s being naïve to the ravenous nature of some it’s community.