Asura Engineer- Aelara Fole
How are we not dead?
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I mean, Zhaitan has been up for decades. Primordius has been active for over 200 years, no? A year’s worth of living story doesn’t seem like much downtime compared to that.
Hobwash
[TAS] – The Asuran Squad
Devona’s Rest
[TAS] – The Asuran Squad
Devona’s Rest
Don’t you remember all the DRAGONs we BASHed not too long ago? That was it, I think.
But to be serious here, I don’t think the dragon’s stories will continue until an expansion comes out (or at least start at a pre-expansion LS). The thing is, if they release such content in the LS now, they would have a lot less to sell later on when they finally do get around to releasing an expac.
I mean, Zhaitan has been up for decades. Primordius has been active for over 200 years, no? A year’s worth of living story doesn’t seem like much downtime compared to that.
Makes sense. Also, we are holding back their corruption with all the hearts and dynamic events out there in the open world.
Tarnished Coast
Astrid Strongheart, Norn Ranger.
“I wish juvenile wolves were bigger”
Astrid Strongheart, Norn Ranger.
“I wish juvenile wolves were bigger”
Don’t you remember all the DRAGONs we BASHed not too long ago? That was it, I think.
But to be serious here, I don’t think the dragon’s stories will continue until an expansion comes out (or at least start at a pre-expansion LS). The thing is, if they release such content in the LS now, they would have a lot less to sell later on when they finally do get around to releasing an expac.
That’s assuming the dragons are the alpha and omega of GW2’s story, which I hope is not the case. I’d rather that the entire dragon arc conclude within the next year or singular expansion, and with that closure we can move on to more interesting stories like the ones started in Beyond.
I do not want to be fighting more Branded and Icebrood and Destroyers for the next 4 years/expacks.
As the Zephyrites said, the dragons are like the tides, they don’t actively seek to destroy you, they just wreck whatever’s there.
They sing dark, delicious notes about power and family.
As their mother, I have to grant them their wish. – Forever Fyonna
As their mother, I have to grant them their wish. – Forever Fyonna
Zhaitan seemed to be trying to destroy us. So was Jormag.
Zhaitan seemed to be trying to destroy us. So was Jormag.
Insects probably see me as trying to destroy them when I go out for a stroll through the park. Well, maybe that’s not the best metaphor.
How about this one: The microorganisms coating my lunch probably see me as trying to destroy them when I eat. Dragonlunch= the sort of shiny magical objects our characters like to horde. Our characters= too small to do anything with other than digest along with lunch.
Hats off to all the ones who stood before me, and taught a fool to ride.
Partying and celebrating is actually how we beat them! They get so tired of it they go back to sleep, BAM, world saved.
IT’S A SWORD. THEY’RE NOT MEANT TO BE SAFE.
Zhaitan seemed to be trying to destroy us. So was Jormag.
Insects probably see me as trying to destroy them when I go out for a stroll through the park. Well, maybe that’s not the best metaphor.
How about this one: The microorganisms coating my lunch probably see me as trying to destroy them when I eat. Dragonlunch= the sort of shiny magical objects our characters like to horde. Our characters= too small to do anything with other than digest along with lunch.
The way the Zephyrites see the dragons is cool and all, but I’m pretty sure that at least Zhaitan was actively trying to kill us.
I mean, his minions do taunt us all the time, and he attacked at the very heart of our Order. If Zhaitan was just a force of nature, he wouldn’t pick targets. He would just destroy whatever that is on his way. I love the Zephyrites, but I think that their vision is biased, since they were blessed by Glint’s knowledge.
I think that, just like any other sentient beings, the dragons can chose to do bad things or good things (which not necessarily makes them good or evil, there is always a gray area), but they know exactly what they are doing and who they are hurting.
Tarnished Coast
Astrid Strongheart, Norn Ranger.
“I wish juvenile wolves were bigger”
Astrid Strongheart, Norn Ranger.
“I wish juvenile wolves were bigger”
Gabby pretty much said it better than me. Zhaitan didn’t just take it easy after getting an entire continent to play with, he actively sent out the Risen to attack areas, kill more people, and spread his influence through his corrupted undead, attacking Lion’s Arch and the Orders as specific targets.
Jormag has also done the same somewhat before GW2, when he drove the norn from their original home in the Shiverpeaks, even killing the Spirit of Owl when she fought him. He seems to have taken a break for now, but the Sons of Svanir have taken it upon themselves to convert and kill more, spreading Jormag’s influence further.
When Kralkatorrik awoke, the first thing he did was go off to kill Glint. Granted, she was a former minion and a dragon herself, but Kralkatorrik sought to kill her nonetheless, not just staying where he was at when he awoke. Since then, we’ve seen nothing of him, the map implying that now he’s taking a break in the Crystal Desert…but who knows?
I don’t think the Zepyrites are reliable sources of information on the dragons’ behavior.
It’s not only Zephyrites who see it that way, but also Trahearne and the Pact. The dragon himself is just consuming the magic of the world (Professor Gorrs research). The dragon does not seek to destroy humans and plants and fish and whatelse.
But! The dragons minions are another thing. They have to ensure the deliverance of food to the dragon and they plan, plot actively. They are the ones who see us trying to stop the dragon so they make strategies to end the hinderance, because they are aware that we do not want the dragon to be fed.
The dragons have been awake for sometime now. It’s not like they just woke up a couple months ago. They don’t seem to be actively hunting down magic at the moment. It may be another year before the next dragon becomes an active target.
Look at it this way, WoW has been active for 9 years now. In order to accomplish that it will be 2 years between each dragon for GW2.
Look at it this way, WoW has been active for 9 years now. In order to accomplish that it will be 2 years between each dragon for GW2.
Thats a really poor way to look at it in my opinion. You are assuming that we know everything there is to know about the dragons, which there have been Easter eggs to prove that we don’t know everything yet and the game is in an extremely modifiable state in that they can easily shove new lore/content in with the way they have things set up. Infact there is a organization in the game devoted to searching out and finding ancient relics/information, they could easily have something like that tie into the introduction of base lore related content.
“Two of the dragons, known as deep sea dragon and jungle dragon, respectively, have not yet been observed to have any noticeable impact in northern Tyria. Their exact nature and even names remain unknown.”
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Elder_Dragon
To be honest I love SAB I just wish they would use the vast potential this game has for the LS instead of trying to pull new things out of thin air. Look how much space we have. There is a plethoral of things we could see happen one of the many things on my wish list is to see us work our way back up to the norn/charr areas.
When Jormag runs out of Claws, that’s when he’ll come down.
I’m calling it now, this whole living story has to do with one of the dragons because it is manipulating Scarlet.
It’s not only Zephyrites who see it that way, but also Trahearne and the Pact. The dragon himself is just consuming the magic of the world (Professor Gorrs research). The dragon does not seek to destroy humans and plants and fish and whatelse.
But! The dragons minions are another thing. They have to ensure the deliverance of food to the dragon and they plan, plot actively. They are the ones who see us trying to stop the dragon so they make strategies to end the hinderance, because they are aware that we do not want the dragon to be fed.
Zhaitan controlled all his minions.
That’s assuming the dragons are the alpha and omega of GW2’s story, which I hope is not the case. I’d rather that the entire dragon arc conclude within the next year or singular expansion, and with that closure we can move on to more interesting stories like the ones started in Beyond.
I do not want to be fighting more Branded and Icebrood and Destroyers for the next 4 years/expacks.
I honestly doubt they’ll release Elder Dragons as a living story event or in a single expansion. We still have five Elder Dragons left to go with lots of undiscovered map for them to be in. If they didnt want the dragons to be the main focus then Anet would have given us more than just Zhaitan to “fight” as the end boss. Plus there has already been interview about how either Kralkatorrik or the Jungle Dragon in Maguuma would good dragons to awaken in an expansion. The Inquest base around CoE has 6 seperate rooms where they’re studying the Elder Dragons powers. Plus they have too big of an effect on the world for them to share expansions. All signs point to dragons in the future.
I’m calling it now, this whole living story has to do with one of the dragons because it is manipulating Scarlet.
That would be a pretty crazy development, and it could be either a crazy long stretch or actually work depending on how it was written. I’d have to say its a stretch though, but that’s just from reading What Scarlet Saw
Zhaitan controlled all his minions.
I have to find a video that i’ll edit into this post, but the Elder Dragons dont actually control their minions. They create their lieutenants, such as the Claw of Jormag, who are actually very intelligent, and they take care of the tactics (or whatever you want to call it, invading maybe?).
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Pretty sure Zhaitan was different.
My opinion is… the game is JUST been out for a year. I’m sure anet wants to stretch the whole dragon thing for as long as possible. I for sure don’t want to kill dragon after dragon and then go “Now what?”.
Besides, anet also did say, EVERYTHING that we are experiencing now (living story), IS related to dragons. We just don’t have all the pieces quite yet.
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“Now we hope Zhaitan resurrects as Risen Zhaitan and goes Xzibit”
Come feed the rain, come further in
Maybe Scarlet saw the dragons, and they saw her. Which would be what the pale Tree was warning her about. Perhaps the other dragons are now focused on us, because of what she did.
Maybe Scarlet saw the dragons, and they saw her. Which would be what the pale Tree was warning her about. Perhaps the other dragons are now focused on us, because of what she did.
But what has scarlet done? Not much of anything yet. Don’t forget, the dragon’s concern is magic. The dragons probably don’t even realize that she exists.
My opinion is… the game is JUST been out for a year. I’m sure anet wants to stretch the whole dragon thing for as long as possible. I for sure don’t want to kill dragon after dragon and then go “Now what?”.
Besides, anet also did say, EVERYTHING that we are experiencing now (living story), IS related to dragons. We just don’t have all the pieces quite yet.
Np offense, but do you have a link for that. Because I seem to remember the opposite. When Flame and Frost started, I could swear they said it wasn’t dragon related.
I think there’s plenty of stuff besides the dragons which they could cover. There’s the gods for a start.
Zhaitan put his need of magic to consume in the mind of his creatures. They go all out to fulfill that need.
Pretty sure Zhaitan was different.
Guild Wars 2 Theory Spotlight: The Pale Tree Is A Dragon
This guy has done theories for a bunch of stuff, and he’s normally been pretty dam close or spot on. But from about 4:45-8:30 in the video he explains the hierarchy of the Elder Dragons and their minions.
And I don’t remember much of the story since I went through it long ago, but I do remember talking to Zhaitan’s champions who are talking FOR him, its not like he was talking THROUGH them. If you’ve got something that completely debunks all this I’d love to see it (been getting into the lore more as of late).
Nanashi, I just did the Eye and Mouth attack PSes again yesterday. You’re right, the Mouth does talk to the Commander to say “Nyah nyah nyah, the bit of magic we’ll get from your death won’t replace what you wrecked,” (paraphrased), “but the Dragon will be pleased.” (direct quote). The Eyes also speak of the Dragon as a separate entity.
On the other hand, through various NPC dialogues and huge leaps of faith disguised as scientific deduction, we are told that the Dragon knows everything its minions do, that it sees via the Eyes and eats via the Mouth, that all its minions are mere extensions of its will. Though one wonders why the Risen often seem relieved to get the final killing. “Death … good …” Is there some spark of the person they once were?
Anyway, between Zhaitan-is-all-one-unit and Zhaitan-is-a-force-with-independent-lieutenants, both views are supported by what we see in game.
First, “Death.. good” happens when they first attack too. They see things dead as a good thing. Second, later in the story you converse with an ex-king and he pretty clearly (I think, anyway) explains how it worked being a Zhaitan minion and he welcomes and thanks us for his final death and release to the mists. They’re pretty much controlled by Zhaitan but still have their own conscious. Jormag’s minions seem similar just more mindless brutes (think source material there). Third, Zhaitan consumed and gained knowledge which leads it to more powerful things. Thus, the trail should lead to the center of it all. So in a way Zhaitan was directly and specifically attacking targets simply because it senses the power it wants/needs being there. (Think dumping a chumbucket and getting a shark to show up, the shark doesn’t think “hey there’s a human, let’s get ’em”, it thinks “I smell something good, time to nom”.)
All in all, I’d say the dragons all work similarly and just take slightly different approaches. Zhaitan actively seeks out noms, Jormag just kind of lets things happen, Krak does a mixture, the rest we have nothing much to go on in GW2.
We’ve clearly all been turned into Risen thralls, and are being mentally subdued by a powerful Wrath by making us think we’re alive by using mesmer magic to create a virtual world around us.
The reason why he made us kill the virtual Zhaitan is to attempt to destroy any clues that this happened, the same reason why the dragons are dormant in this virtual world.
The ‘glitches’ have been seen already. For example, Rox does not know who you are despite your teamwork in Flame and Frost. This is what the LS has been alluding to all along :V
Wait, does this then make the SAB a game in a game in a game?!
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if the dragons come, we all just get inside the SAB. they can’t fit in there. it’s foolproof!
Majyyks [Os] – NSP
Wait, does this then make the SAB a game in a game in a game?!
SAB is the only reality, it’s everything outside that is an illusion.
They have to pace out the dragons or they would quickly run out and have to invent a new big bad that’s even bigger and badder than the dragons for us to have even a sense of threat looming on the horizon.
This is pretty standard fare in an MMO. Look at WoW for example. Each expansion had 1 major lore figure as the big bad focus of the expansion and sometimes a couple of smaller lore figures as earlier bosses. Illidan, Arthas, Deathwing, often you wouldn’t even get to fight them for over a year all the while building up to the fight to kill them. If players are allowed to kill off major lore figures too often those lore figures loose impact as they are no longer perceived as a threat.
Hmm, i believe we aren’t dead because zhaitain has broken his wings and the other dragons are helping him/plotting for us to die, i’d say, in about 4 months, Mordremoth will attack and silvari will turn out to be the ‘minion’ of him, but the tablet helped them break free.
MINIGAMES ARE MORE IMPORTANT SIT DOWN AND ENJOY IT!!!
/sarcasm
I mean, Zhaitan has been up for decades. Primordius has been active for over 200 years, no? A year’s worth of living story doesn’t seem like much downtime compared to that.
yes, but during that time, we have always been on the run, you can see it from the beginning Silvari map, as soon as you are born, the world is already being rampage by the dragons minions. And it is only because the orders and lions-guard are working behind the scenes, that we have held back their forces. But now that Zhiatains gone, the entire continent can take holiday? I call bull kitties.
They have to pace out the dragons or they would quickly run out and have to invent a new big bad that’s even bigger and badder than the dragons for us to have even a sense of threat looming on the horizon.
Honestly, kinda not feeling the threat now even with the dragons.
I did before I learned a bit more lore. Primordus has been active 200 years? Jormag for something like 150? Zhaitan himself was about 50 years. The dragons have been awake a very long time while doing relatively very little damage. And they certainly don’t seem to be on the move at the moment. Maybe I’m just falling in to a false sense of security, here, but really: what’s wrong with waiting another year or 20 to deal with them in the face of their current track record? There’s no tension.
I mean, Zhaitan has been up for decades. Primordius has been active for over 200 years, no? A year’s worth of living story doesn’t seem like much downtime compared to that.
yes, but during that time, we have always been on the run, you can see it from the beginning Silvari map, as soon as you are born, the world is already being rampage by the dragons minions. And it is only because the orders and lions-guard are working behind the scenes, that we have held back their forces. But now that Zhiatains gone, the entire continent can take holiday? I call bull kitties.
Zhaitan awoke on top of a ready made, undead army and it still took him 50 years to get to the point of attempting invasions inland. The rest have been around much longer and seemingly have done much less damage. I say “seemingly” cus I could be proven wrong about how much damage they’ve done thru further revelations. But so far, it seems the undead wave we begin the game dealing with was only a threat b/c the 5 races took their time and let it become one, not b/c of Zhaitan’s natural prowess as a threat.
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Guys, this is what gw2 is now.. living story and temporary contents. Frankly, I think i rather let the story die as a massive plot hole never filled then an extremely poorly attempted bi monthly content.
If you’ve kept up with any of the interviews, you’ll realise that Anet DOESN’T want to release an expansion. If this living story crap sells, this IS going to be the expansion.
Zhaitan awoke on top of a ready made, undead army and it still took him 50 years to get to the point of attempting invasions inland. The rest have been around much longer and seemingly have done much less damage. I say “seemingly” cus I could be proven wrong about how much damage they’ve done thru further revelations. But so far, it seems the undead wave we begin the game dealing with was only a threat b/c the 5 races took their time and let it become one, not b/c of Zhaitan’s natural prowess as a threat.
The army wasnt undead when he found them, they were dead, and he made them undead. There is a difference, its like finding apple pie, compared to the ingredients to make one. And why do you assume that it is only now that Zhiatan’s invasion launched forth, his troops have pushed past Lions Arch as far north as the Gendarren fields and as far west as Kessex. So its likely that even before the our timeline as a player started, that his forces had already moved in, and were just being held back from consuming the land by LA and the three orders. There is actually lore referencing many invasions prior to player involvement, such as assaults on LA. The other notable factor that held back Zhiatain, was the other dragons themselves, for if you notice, no two dragons share the same territory, on a map where there are undead, you will not find crystallized minions. Jormag pushed as far south as Dredgehaunt cliffs, and the crystal dragon as far north as the Iron Marches. All of Tyria is already occupied, so forget dragons pushing forward, they’re already here; but who cares, lets celebrate…
Guys, this is what gw2 is now.. living story and temporary contents. Frankly, I think i rather let the story die as a massive plot hole never filled then an extremely poorly attempted bi monthly content.
If you’ve kept up with any of the interviews, you’ll realise that Anet DOESN’T want to release an expansion. If this living story crap sells, this IS going to be the expansion.
They stated that there will be an expansion, but that they don’t have any plans on the table currently.
Guys, this is what gw2 is now.. living story and temporary contents. Frankly, I think i rather let the story die as a massive plot hole never filled then an extremely poorly attempted bi monthly content.
If you’ve kept up with any of the interviews, you’ll realise that Anet DOESN’T want to release an expansion. If this living story crap sells, this IS going to be the expansion.
They stated that there will be an expansion, but that they don’t have any plans on the table currently.
Not that I last recall. The quote for this has been rather fuzzy. Some say they have not heard at all about anything of an expansion, some say if living world proceeds well in reaping the money, it WILL become the expansion.. when I say some, i’m talking about the devs.
Guys, this is what gw2 is now.. living story and temporary contents. Frankly, I think i rather let the story die as a massive plot hole never filled then an extremely poorly attempted bi monthly content.
If you’ve kept up with any of the interviews, you’ll realise that Anet DOESN’T want to release an expansion. If this living story crap sells, this IS going to be the expansion.
They stated that there will be an expansion, but that they don’t have any plans on the table currently.
Not that I last recall. The quote for this has been rather fuzzy. Some say they have not heard at all about anything of an expansion, some say if living world proceeds well in reaping the money, it WILL become the expansion.. when I say some, i’m talking about the devs.
If that’s the case, I’m out. Plot-wise, we’ve seen more holes than twist, as Living Story has been no more than trivial detached random garbage, with only promises of depth and intensity to come. The content does little to address the worlds conflict, and has no means to do so. Simply put, the war against dragons, is not content that can be temporary by any means, as all players -current, past, and future- should have a chance to experience it. I’m fine with Devs amusing themselves with this paper-thin living story for now, but only if they make well on player expectations, and at this rate, they will only drive themselves into the ground.
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Well the sooner we can kill off the dragons, the sooner we can find out mysteries of GW1 Lore like…..
What happened to the Mursaat/Seers?
When are we going to Cantha?
Are we going to fight the isolationist Emperor in Cantha?
When will we set sail for Elona?
Will we battle Palawa Joko and his zombie empire?
Where did Evennia go?
What is happening to the Maguuma “Wastes”?
When can we go to the Deldrimor Front?
What’s happening to the Ring of Fire?
Where was this “Isle of Janthir?”
Did you think we forgot the Forgotten?
What’s going on in the Underworld/Fissure of Woe?
Why is there a huge forest on top of DR known as “Woodland Cascades?” (which was only accessible through like 3 zones in gw1…)
Seriously, just kill off all the dragons, and fill in the above plot holes… And instead of fighting and continuing the story, we decide to have more festivals?~?~?~?~?~?~
Sorry for the typos….
I’m usually typing on my phone
I’m usually typing on my phone
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As the Zephyrites said, the dragons are like the tides, they don’t actively seek to destroy you, they just wreck whatever’s there.
Claw Island.
(and the couple missions right before it)
…nuff said
Oh, I dug up the quotes for the people who were interested,
“So right now we’re not really looking at expansions as an option,” lead content designer Mike Zadorojny told me on his visit to London last week.
“It’s something that’s on the table but it’s not something we’re focused on, because what we want to do is – our idea here is that with Living World, we can do what expansions would have done but do it on a more regular basis.”
I pressed him to tell me whether there would be a Guild Wars 2 expansion this year and he shook his head to indicate no. What about next year, I asked?
“If we do this right,” he answered, “we will probably never do an expansion and everything will be going into this Living World strategy.”
That Living World strategy was the reason for his trip to London. ArenaNet is changing how Guild Wars 2 will evolve over time and that requires an explanation. Broadly, it means more content more often.
Four discrete Living World teams, made up of designers of all disciplines, each spend four months developing roughly one full month’s worth of content, “So they’ll own two content releases in a particular month,” Zadorojny said. The Flame & Frost update at the start of the year was an early example, the more recent releases more matured.
“This allows us to have this world that’s changing and evolving and essentially goes into what television does: stay tuned next week when something exciting is going to happen.”
This was back in July this year by the way.
“If we do this right,” he answered, “we will probably never do an expansion and everything will be going into this Living World strategy.”
If they do this right… they have never done the story aspect of living story right, and as such, it cant even compare to personal story, which requires an expansion to complete. So basically GW2 is saying ‘kitten personal story; dragons, what dragons? We’d rather give you a kitten tone of crappy releases, then a few higher quality ones, we’d rather create more plot holes, than plug old mysteries and lore.’ This is bullkitten.
Too bad we cant establish a large scale player hiatus until they decide to put a expansion back on the table. Because as it is, players log on to check out new content, and as a result GW2 servers reach record fullness. This of course, means they are making money, and so, they don’t care if we prefer personal story content to living story content, just that the living story drives us here twice a month, and personal only from release to completion (or until such a time that we get sick of playing it, and take a hiatus until the next release). Its all about the numbers; quantity, not quality. And the worst part, is they will not say for certain that there will or will not be an expansion, because they don’t intend to add one, yet if they say as much, they know the player base will drop significantly. So they keep giving us bullkitten answers such as ‘its on the table… [but] if we do [living story] right, there will probably never be another expansion.’ Yet whether they truly do it right or not doesn’t matter, because month after month, our numbers convince them they’re going in the right direction.
Since living story has been released, has anyone heard a Dev address the issue of personal story? They dance around the issue of expansion, going as far as to say they don’t want one, yet they have never stated whether personal story will continue regardless of whether they place an expansion or not. They could release a personal story chapter once or twice a month if they chose, but it seems they prefer to play around with the random content they call living story. I challenge a Dev to give me a firm answer on the matter of personal story, but I know they wont.
I suppose, as long as they make the content permanent, personal story could merge with living story to continue our campaign against the dragons… but as we know living story is not permanent, that will not occur. And personal story is far too important, on such a grand scale, to simply be temporary, its something all players must get a chance to experience, or their adventure wouldn’t make sense, and would lose most of its entertainment value.
I think personal story is the element that GW2 is weakest in. Overall, your character just seems like an average nobody. I was a huge fan of the epic feeling that the The Old Republic managed to put into their story.
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