Guild Wars 2

I’m on Ehmry Bay, and I absolutely love the new Tequatl fight! Me and some friends tried (and failed, of course) to kill him a few times last night and didn’t even get him down to 80%, but we did a tiny tiny bit better each time. And that’s super exciting! The fact that it’s a huge deal for Blackgate to have gotten it is so awesome, and makes me so excited about it! Last night I dreamed that Ehmry Bay was the 3rd world to bring him down. You know something’s cool when you dream about it and can’t stop thinking about it at work the next day!

One thing I will say though is that the vocal negative side of the community makes me laugh at shake my head at the same time. Here’s some examples.

“RIP, low pop servers.” (said while in an overflow)
“This is impossible.” (Said on the 3rd time he’s ever been fought.)
“He has too large of a health pool, and still requires no actual skill. Look at Blackgate, they killed him with pure DPS without even dodging waves. Nerf his health and increase the time limit and make skill actually important!” (This one just makes me shake my head and want to bang it on my desk. News flash — by using even more skill than BG did their first success they/we can get his health pool down even faster by not wasting time and buffs rezzing, etc. The statement makes the assumption that we’ve already mastered the skills and that BG’s success was the only way, neither of which are true.)

So, anyone else wanna share anything that people have said negatively about the new Tequatl that made them facepalm?

EDIT: tl;dr: I love it and dreamed about it. Some of the negative comments about the new fight make me facepalm.

RLHawk.3290:

I’m on Ehmry Bay, and I absolutely love the new Twauatl fight! Me and some friends tried (and failed, of course) to kill him a few times last night and didn’t even get him down to 80%, but we did a tiny tiny bit better each time. And that’s super exciting! The fact that it’s a huge deal for Blackgate to have gotten it is so awesome, and makes me so excited about it! Last night I dreamed that Ehmry Bay was the 3rd world to bring him down. You know something’s cool when you dream about it and can’t stop thinking about it at work the next day!

One thing I will say though is that the vocal negative side of the community makes me laugh at shake my head at the same time. Here’s some examples.

“RIP, low pop servers.” (said while in an overflow)
“This is impossible.” (Said on the 3rd time he’s ever been fought.)
“He has too large of a health pool, and still requires no actual skill. Look at Blackgate, they killed him with pure DPS without even dodging waves. Nerf his health and increase the time limit and make skill actually important!” (This one just makes me shake my head and want to bang it on my desk. News flash — by using even more skill than BG did their first success they/we can get his health pool down even faster by not wasting time and buffs rezzing, etc. The statement makes the assumption that we’ve already mastered the skills and that BG’s success was the only way, neither of which are true.)

So, anyone else wanna share anything that people have said negatively about the new Tequatl that made them facepalm?

EDIT: tl;dr: I love it and dreamed about it. Some of the negative comments about the new fight make me facepalm.

So let me get this straight, you think you are better than people who are frustrated with the mechanics of the fight because it is cool to fail at 80% the one time you have done it. Let me share something with you, it is not fun to fail repeatedly, all while making zero progress towards the next phase. You are not better than anyone else and starting a thread like this to specifically bash people who could have valid concerns about the fight is not only childish, but incredibly ignorant to the views of the opposing side.

Have some respect and some tact.

Malevo.1806:

So let me get this straight, you think you are better than people who are frustrated with the mechanics of the fight because it is cool to fail at 80% the one time you have done it. Let me share something with you, it is not fun to fail repeatedly, all while making zero progress towards the next phase. You are not better than anyone else and starting a thread like this to specifically bash people who could have valid concerns about the fight is not only childish, but incredibly ignorant to the views of the opposing side.

Have some respect and some tact.

That was not my intent, though you do point out some serious issues with my post. I apologize for coming across as thinking I’m better or more important than anyone. That is not how I feel or think, so the fact that I have come across that way clearly means that I do need to gain some tact and show more respect in how I post. I apologize sincerely.

My intention was to say that I absolutely love it so far (and I’ve tried thrice, not once), and then to point out some of the irony in some, not all, but some of the negative criticisms of the event. I tried to clarify what I thought was unreasonable about each one in my parentheses. Like saying he’s impossible when he’s only been fought by the people fighting a few times. Or that he’ll never be defeated in low population servers while those low population servers are overflowing.

Your complaint seems to be more that you’ve done it lots and not seen any progress each time. And that’s valid. Surely you gotta admit that some of the complaints are humorously illogical though, right? Or maybe it is just me and I should keep that to myself.

RLHawk.3290:

I apologize sincerely.

Somehow I don’t believe that, your entire OP reeks of condescension and borders on being a troll post.

Lostwingman.5034:

RLHawk.3290:

I apologize sincerely.

Somehow I don’t believe that, your entire OP reeks of condescension and borders on being a troll post.

I’m very sorry to hear that, and I feel bad that that’s how I’ve come across. After seeing your comments, I wish I had only posed about what I liked and my dream about it.

I tend to see complaints like the ones I shared as the trolls. What I’ve taken from this is that I need to take a step back and listen to them more and make sure I don’t just discard their complaints. I still disagree with them though.

Malevo.1806:

RLHawk.3290:

I’m on Ehmry Bay, and I absolutely love the new Twauatl fight! Me and some friends tried (and failed, of course) to kill him a few times last night and didn’t even get him down to 80%, but we did a tiny tiny bit better each time. And that’s super exciting! The fact that it’s a huge deal for Blackgate to have gotten it is so awesome, and makes me so excited about it! Last night I dreamed that Ehmry Bay was the 3rd world to bring him down. You know something’s cool when you dream about it and can’t stop thinking about it at work the next day!

One thing I will say though is that the vocal negative side of the community makes me laugh at shake my head at the same time. Here’s some examples.

“RIP, low pop servers.” (said while in an overflow)
“This is impossible.” (Said on the 3rd time he’s ever been fought.)
“He has too large of a health pool, and still requires no actual skill. Look at Blackgate, they killed him with pure DPS without even dodging waves. Nerf his health and increase the time limit and make skill actually important!” (This one just makes me shake my head and want to bang it on my desk. News flash — by using even more skill than BG did their first success they/we can get his health pool down even faster by not wasting time and buffs rezzing, etc. The statement makes the assumption that we’ve already mastered the skills and that BG’s success was the only way, neither of which are true.)

So, anyone else wanna share anything that people have said negatively about the new Tequatl that made them facepalm?

EDIT: tl;dr: I love it and dreamed about it. Some of the negative comments about the new fight make me facepalm.

So let me get this straight, you think you are better than people who are frustrated with the mechanics of the fight because it is cool to fail at 80% the one time you have done it. Let me share something with you, it is not fun to fail repeatedly, all while making zero progress towards the next phase. You are not better than anyone else and starting a thread like this to specifically bash people who could have valid concerns about the fight is not only childish, but incredibly ignorant to the views of the opposing side.

Have some respect and some tact.

Please re-read his post. He said that each time they failed it they did a little better.
Look at the whine posts that started 20 minutes after this event went live and you’ll see people were complaining that it was too hard. That it’s impossible. That Anet Killed this Event.
Yet, Blackgate did it in under 12 hours.
If you are frustrated at this event that’s fine. Voice your concerns in a reasonable manner, and maybe if enough people are able to give civil reasons why they feel it’s too hard, maybe it might be made easier.
If you are an individual who wants to rage at Anet, well, that’s a different matter.

At no point did I read the OP’s post as an “I’m better than you” slap on back/slap to your face. He was just stating that his server is slowly making progress. Every server can make progress. You might not get it done at Blackgate’s speed, but it can be done.
Getting frustrated and raging in game/on the forums will not make you improve.

Is this event hard.?Heck yes.
Is there tweeking that Anet needs to do? Sure.
Look to Blackgate for inspiration, and know it can be done.

Thank you, NoxInfernus.2361! I’m glad that I came across as intended to at least one person!

Lostwingman.5034:

RLHawk.3290:

I apologize sincerely.

Somehow I don’t believe that, your entire OP reeks of condescension and borders on being a troll post.

Maybe it is you who is trolling. I read the OP post and no where does he talk DOWN to anyone.

I too find the doom-sayers to be quite funny.

Hardcore pvers finally have a boss that takes strategy to kill. Meanwhile the casual pvers come and try to take this hardcore content and try to convert it to casual to cater to them.

I’m sorry but if you want something easy, go do the other +dozen metas in game. Teq is now reserved for those who want a challenge and want to be richly rewarded for it. If you don’t want to dedicate the time and coordination, then tough luck.

Arisal.9740:

Lostwingman.5034:

RLHawk.3290:

I apologize sincerely.

Somehow I don’t believe that, your entire OP reeks of condescension and borders on being a troll post.

Maybe it is you who is trolling. I read the OP post and no where does he talk DOWN to anyone.

It’s blatantly trivializing any complaint about the event.
Which is completely ball and chained to whether or not afkers, griefers, or “I play how I wants” end up on the turrets.
Yes, we know that right after something on any game in the history of gaming is implemented idiots will knee jerk react. Now look at what people are complaining about after those people got their rage off or stopped trolling.
Guesting, afkers, and mindless zergers take the event largely out of peoples hands and yet we still have people going “HURRRR U NO LIEK CHALLENG!!!”. No, we like the challenge not being “did I or did I not end up surrounded by morons in this overflow”.

Lostwingman.5034:

Arisal.9740:

Lostwingman.5034:

RLHawk.3290:

I apologize sincerely.

Somehow I don’t believe that, your entire OP reeks of condescension and borders on being a troll post.

Maybe it is you who is trolling. I read the OP post and no where does he talk DOWN to anyone.

It’s blatantly trivializing any complaint about the event.
Which is completely ball and chained to whether or not afkers, griefers, or “I play how I wants” end up on the turrets.
Yes, we know that right after something on any game in the history of gaming is implemented idiots will knee jerk react. Now look at what people are complaining about after those people got their rage off or stopped trolling.
Guesting, afkers, and mindless zergers take the event largely out of peoples hands and yet we still have people going “HURRRR U NO LIEK CHALLENG!!!”. No, we like the challenge not being “did I or did I not end up surrounded by morons in this overflow”.

Again — not my intent and I believe if you read it you’ll see it’s not what I said. As far as I know I have not trivialized or made fun of anyone presenting valid complaints. I was merely expressing my own delight at the content (I’ve been monitoring forums from work all day excited to see who else brings him down and see how they did it), and then in the same post sharing my amusement at the knee jerk reactions.

At this point, I personally feel like the “It’s impossible!”, “Loot is terribly less than reward!”, “He has to be nerfed!”, etc. posts are still knee jerk reactions. Because even though the event has happened several times now, most of the people you’re playing with at any given run are still very much learning. If there wasn’t a ton of stuff that could have been done even better (they did awesome, btw!) in the videos of Tequatl completions and they were still failing, I might feel different, but for now I think that the population is still very much learning how to do the event, and I believe it will be like Arah p4 and other difficult content where as the majority of the people doing the content get better they’ll be able to carry those who are newer and still complete the event.

To me, it is things like assuming that everyone not doing a perfect job is a “mindless zerger” that is condescending, as I see those as people who are very much still learning the event. If you’ve learned more than them, then you have an opportunity to build community by inviting some to a party and coordinating at least your party on what you know is most important.

It’s seems a little bit mean to ask people to post things that people have said just to laugh at them.

I think the attitude of “this is a good challenge and we’re slowly improving even though we lost again. We’ll get it soon!” is something more people need rediscover.

Map chat on our server after the fails was mostly positive and talking about what went wrong, making light of the fail and only few complaints. It was a good atmosphere and I’m looking forward to more attempts tomorrow.

I hope they do something abotu people stacking in dungeons too, makes the runs boring.

BlueSoda.6297:

It’s seems a little bit mean to ask people to post things that people have said just to laugh at them.

This is true, and I very much regret that part of the post. It was written while I was feeling very much like, “Seriously, guys?!! o.O”, and I should not have written it while feeling like that.

yeah I absolutely LOVE failing something (7?) times in a row now because zerg communication is extremely limited and when too many nubs show up to do something that shouldn’t be a public event but raid content. (And trolls//afkers sitting on turrets)

I’m loving it so so much. I can’t wait for all the other dragons to be updated like this!

It’s gonna be the best game ever! YEAH MAN!

I don’t think I’m going to participate in it again other than to get the wings, then I’m done with it.

>.< everyone is a pug at some point its how some people learn! get over yourselves! Not everyone wants to be in a guild/raid. Just because its YOUR play style don’t call people nubs who don’t agree with you.

Mastruq.2463:

I think the attitude of “this is a good challenge and we’re slowly improving even though we lost again. We’ll get it soon!” is something more people need rediscover.

Map chat on our server after the fails was mostly positive and talking about what went wrong, making light of the fail and only few complaints. It was a good atmosphere and I’m looking forward to more attempts tomorrow.

Great point! So far I haven’t seen my own world’s chat (been in overflows) but I hope it is similar to yours! That’s awesome!

The OP wasn’t being condescending in the slightest.

I agree with him. Genuinely challenging content, and people are far too quick to leap to criticism of the game itself, rather than reviewing how they can legitimately overcome a challenge.

Well said and you didn’t come off condescending to me.

People are just too used to the instant gratification in this game with little effort involved IMO.

This game is still easier than the majority of other MMORPGs. Hardcore groups take weeks to get and down the final boss in raids in many other games… some even take months. But once they do get it, they share how they did it and other people are able to replicate it. I don’t understand why it’s so wrong for this game to have harder than average content (and people still beat it on the first day). So it’s harder, but far from impossible. Keep at it and keep trying to get better at it guys!