Guild Wars 2

After many suggestive conversations between Marjory and Kasmeer and the undeniable kiss during Scarlet’s death instance. We all know they are a couple. But is it legal? Are the Krytans ok with same-sex marriage or not? It be ashame if the Krytan government starts interfering with Marjory and Kasmeer’s relationship but it would give rise to a lot of interesting conflicts between the two.

On a side note: what about the other races? (except sylvari cause their opinions about the matter is obvious) What are the other races’ laws and opinions of same sex relationships.

I don’t know about humans… But there is a particular female Asura in Rata Sum with a female significant other. I have a feeling most or all races are fine with anything. Mainly because I don’t think anet would want to put those politics into the game.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I don’t know about humans… But there is a particular female Asura in Rata Sum with a female significant other. I have a feeling most or all races are fine with anything. Mainly because I don’t think anet would want to put those politics into the game.

Nice to know that the races of Tyria have sorted out most of those ignorant racists and homophobes. But racism and homophobia could make some rather interesting conflicts and motives in future stories and contents. Many of our most successful TV shows, games, stories, and all sorts of media tends to reflect the real world. Anet can make some seriously compelling, albeit controversial, stories and characters if they play their hands right. I believe this is why Scarlet is so hated and a failure as a villain. Her introduction is a surprise no one can ever predict. Her background and personality is bland and uninteresting. Worst of all, no one can ever relate to her. It’s ok if she was a dragon where she is programmed for destruction no matter what. But she’s suppose to be a “intelligent” character with actions of her own accord. This really demands that she has to have more depth and background to her character than “I’m crazy and evil and I’m going to do bad things”.

I find that a lot of people see Marjory and Kasmeer in good favor. I always feel like those two characters outshine both Rox and Braham even though they were introduced into the story at a later time. The writers of those characters gave them distinguishable characteristics and more details about them other than “we’re the hero and we’re going to save everyone”

Novomundum.8325:

Nice to know that the races of Tyria have sorted out most of those ignorant racists and homophobes. But racism and homophobia could make some rather interesting conflicts and motives in future stories and contents.

I’m sure that, if forced, Anet would confirm that it’s because Tyria has sorted it all out and nobody cares. It is a very intentional decision on their part, not to avoid politics, but to make a statement that being gay really isn’t a big deal—why should the Tyrians care?

They’re not the only ones who are ready to move on from gay storylines being about sticking it to the homophobes, either. Look at Modern Family, a very mainstream (and very good) TV show with a pair of gay main characters. Those two characters are much more pointedly gay than Marjory and Kasmeer, but there has never been anything remotely close to a Very Special Episode in which they have to prove to everyone that their lifestyle is okay. At least I don’t think so—I don’t watch the show regularly.

Funnily enough, anet has no problem with sticking “and they’re misogynists” onto villains just because it makes them more “evil” and villainous—not one but two enemy factions have something against women: The Flame Legion and the Sons of Svanir.

Kazuhiro.5809:

Funnily enough, anet has no problem with sticking “and they’re misogynists” onto villains just because it makes them more “evil” and villainous—not one but two enemy factions have something against women: The Flame Legion and the Sons of Svanir.

Really? I never noticed it until now. Those two factions do seem to be the most stupid in my opinion. Maybe it’s Anet’s way of saying only idiots don’t believe in equal rights XD

Novomundum.8325:

Kazuhiro.5809:

Funnily enough, anet has no problem with sticking “and they’re misogynists” onto villains just because it makes them more “evil” and villainous—not one but two enemy factions have something against women: The Flame Legion and the Sons of Svanir.

Really? I never noticed it until now. Those two factions do seem to be the most stupid in my opinion. Maybe it’s Anet’s way of saying only idiots don’t believe in equal rights XD

I’m all for equal rights, but this would actually sound pretty patronizing.

It’s pretty safe to say that the other races view it as acceptable. Remember when Rox asked Marjory and Kasmeer if they were ‘a mated pair’? There was no disgust in the question, it was just something matter-of-fact for her.

Tyria has more important things to worry about than same-sex relationships. Technically, Earth does too, but unfortunately that doesn’t stop a lot of people…

Why would they care? Theres sort of a couple of dragons trying to wipe out all life on Tyria.

Even if there wernt, I still don’t see a reason why other races or the queen would care. Anet already put their stance on (a stupidly) controversial issue in the game, and now you want anet to say “IT’S OK THOUGH BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT IS AGAINST IT JUST LIKE IN REAL LIFE.”

It’s ok to disagree with people, you can disagree with anet, and still be ok with playing the game. The kiss can just be a kiss. Kasmeer and Marjory are there, and that’s it.

I get the feeling that there may not be any laws concerning imprisonment (there shouldn’t be). But I suspect the populous (both the good and the bad ones) would be divided on the subject.

redslion.9675:

I’m all for equal rights, but this would actually sound pretty patronizing.

Kind of like completely disregarding someone solely because they have a single opinion on something that you disagree with… hmm…

(not directed at you but at most of these recent threads concerning this stupid kiss and how everything in this game and real life is homophobic because they disagree. Oh no the horror, someone disagrees with you mass hysteria ensues.)

Vanthian.9267:

redslion.9675:

I’m all for equal rights, but this would actually sound pretty patronizing.

Kind of like completely disregarding someone solely because they have a single opinion on something that you disagree with… hmm…

(not directed at you but at most of these recent threads concerning this stupid kiss and how everything in this game and real life is homophobic because they disagree. Oh no the horror, someone disagrees with you mass hysteria ensues.)

Wait, I meant something different.
What I don’t like are caricatural enemies, made by putting together everything that you (rightfully) consider wrong.

As a Star Trek fan, I have seen that happen in TNG with the Ferengi (who were supposed to be the anti-federation) and in VOY with the Kazon. Both were failure as enemies, something to laugh at more than something to be afraid of. And yes, every episode with them in it seemed patronizing other than silly.

I’m more concerned about the story than politics. And black and white separation between good guys and bad guys is usually dangerous for the health of a story.

The only reason the animosity against same sexes exists in real life because the laws are based on religions of the nation writing those laws. The gw 1 and 2 lore of humanity has no such religious basis for such laws to begin with! The gods never cared about that and never said same sex is wrong.

Same sexes stuff exists because of our genetics and biology of animals, not because a god said it is to be or not to be so.

Anet did it right and stayed true to real world in that a religion makes it so whether something is allowed or not and laws being written to reflect the will of a religion.

Novomundum.8325:

Kazuhiro.5809:

Funnily enough, anet has no problem with sticking “and they’re misogynists” onto villains just because it makes them more “evil” and villainous—not one but two enemy factions have something against women: The Flame Legion and the Sons of Svanir.

Really? I never noticed it until now. Those two factions do seem to be the most stupid in my opinion. Maybe it’s Anet’s way of saying only idiots don’t believe in equal rights XD

The misogynist leaning of Sons of Svanir is not due to “girls, cooties, ick” or “girls are weaker”. The root of it is Jora killing Svanir the Nornbear and first norn follower of Jormag. (Mind you, I recall she still got flak for being a “kinslayer” also.)

Flame Legion was largely written that way because there were no female charr in GW1, so someone had to back-fill the lore as to why and fill that darn plothole before someone broke a leg trying to contort around it.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Flame Legion was largely written that way because there were no female charr in GW1, so someone had to back-fill the lore as to why and fill that darn plothole before someone broke a leg trying to contort around it.

Uh… wow, I NEVER thought of that. That makes all kinds of sense.

No offense intended, but why does anyone care? As far a gay rights go, I simply don’t care, but I might care a bit more if I didn’t have the culture shoved down my throat every thirty seconds in virtually every form of media I encounter.

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

The only reason the animosity against same sexes exists in real life because the laws are based on religions of the nation writing those laws. The gw 1 and 2 lore of humanity has no such religious basis for such laws to begin with! The gods never cared about that and never said same sex is wrong.

Same sexes stuff exists because of our genetics and biology of animals, not because a god said it is to be or not to be so.

Anet did it right and stayed true to real world in that a religion makes it so whether something is allowed or not and laws being written to reflect the will of a religion.

And your scientific data on this is… where? What many people label as homophobia dates back to ancient Greece. The truth is that pinning it all on religion is a common misconception by individuals (possibly biased or who have a phobia of religion) who type before they do the proper research. Some researchers are actually attempting to classify individuals who fall within the current hyperbolic definition of homophobic as having a type of personality disorder. It is 100 percent possible for an Atheist to exhibit behavior that is considered “homophobic” without a belief system of any kind.

Saying that no such person could possibly exist in Tyria and remain civil is as logical as saying there are no homosexuals in Tyria.

Kazuhiro.5809:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Flame Legion was largely written that way because there were no female charr in GW1, so someone had to back-fill the lore as to why and fill that darn plothole before someone broke a leg trying to contort around it.

Uh… wow, I NEVER thought of that. That makes all kinds of sense.

Honestly, stepping back and looking at it from a writer/DM perspective? A lot of things make sense for why as a means of someone hastily trying to throw boards over holes which nobody noticed when things were written.

It’s the equivalent of:

Player: “Wait, why did the werewolf not scream when they reached into my bag? I had all that silver from the dungeon crawl last month?”
GM: “. . . yes, that is odd isn’t that?” (scribbles a note on the margin)

bullyrook.2165:

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

The only reason the animosity against same sexes exists in real life because the laws are based on religions of the nation writing those laws. The gw 1 and 2 lore of humanity has no such religious basis for such laws to begin with! The gods never cared about that and never said same sex is wrong.

Same sexes stuff exists because of our genetics and biology of animals, not because a god said it is to be or not to be so.

Anet did it right and stayed true to real world in that a religion makes it so whether something is allowed or not and laws being written to reflect the will of a religion.

And your scientific data on this is… where? What many people label as homophobia dates back to ancient Greece. The truth is that pinning it all on religion is a common misconception by individuals (possibly biased or who have a phobia of religion) who type before they do the proper research. Some researchers are actually attempting to classify individuals who fall within the current hyperbolic definition of homophobic as having a type of personality disorder. It is 100 percent possible for an Atheist to exhibit behavior that is considered “homophobic” without a belief system of any kind.

Saying that no such person could possibly exist in Tyria and remain civil is as logical as saying there are no homosexuals in Tyria.

1. 90% of all nations that have a Judeo-Christian or islamic national religion or associate with one (the US doesn’t have a true national religion, but might as well have one) has its laws based on the religious practices on the most commonly practiced religion by the people (as with most supposedly free nations), and in the three monotheistic religions their god or scripture said, “homosexuality is wrong and you go can to hell for it.” Then lawmakers who also believe in said god/scripture make the laws based on that said religion.

2. in the east and far east, most religions practiced (Hinduism, Buddhism, and Shintoism in east Asia and Japan) have no such laws or very seldom do, why? as there is no religious basis for such a law no written or spoken rules given by their god or religious morality to guide them to that conclusion. I think it was not until the US came over and occupied Japan in WWII that we imposed more of our “moral code” to them. Imperialism at its finest! Not to mention the Portuguese and the Dutch before the US in earlier centuries in the Daimyo era tried to impose Protestantism on the Japanese in exchange for use and purchase of both Europeans’ arabesques, which were hardly reliable guns.

I don’t know about ancient religions so much as with Greeks or Romans or (insert ancient culture here) as they seem to not be for or against it either way in terms of mythology and art (there were more cases of bestiality than homosexuality, but that is a different story).

3. Most atheists are known to have been raised in a christian- (or other monotheistic religious) based household before choosing to be atheist which their moral views are already ingrained in their minds at childhood and approaching adult hood. So notions of what is supposedly right and wrong about sexuality is already in their minds.

4. before you jump on me further i was also raised a certain way (Catholic, the worst of all bigot sects) but also taught to never discriminate or spread hate despite my family being just as hypocritical as everyone else of the faith), so I begun to understand other points of views and be much more accepting of them and even going do far as defending them.

And how does this relate to GW2?

It kinda does, as the human religion of the six never had much of thought put into it! Who’s to say there is or isn’t anti-same sex marriage laws or not (90% of RPers I know are saying they don’t exist). So far the evidence is clear in the only bits of scripture from GW 1 and GW 2 have no mention of anything for or against it (not even basic commandments like, “Thou shalt not kill!”) so it must be OK right? Who’s to say?

I think the devs left it just open-ended for us to draw upon our own conclusions and only base the world we are on slightly or a tiny bit off our own real world full of its same issues. If we do see the ministry cracking down this next LS release and Majory and Kasmeer’s relationship is now on the line, then Anet is really going for the game world based totally off real world card and playing it in a full hand.

Yumiko, you still lack conclusive data to back up your claims. I can argue this with you, but based on that point alone it would be a waste of both our time.

To get back on topic, no, I don’t believe there are any laws forbidding same sex relationships in Kryta. Marjory and Kasmeer certainly don’t seem shy about announcing their relationship to others, and I think they’d be much more circumspect if homosexuality was illegal in Kryta.

Same sex relationships would likely pale beside the topic of cross-species relationships, in any case.

I think in Kryta lore, the only time someone would be averse to gay relationships is if one of the pair are expected to carry on family traditions and carry on the family legacy by producing an heir. Or something.

phlemhacker.1372:

No offense intended, but why does anyone care? As far a gay rights go, I simply don’t care, but I might care a bit more if I didn’t have the culture shoved down my throat every thirty seconds in virtually every form of media I encounter.

Because the gay community hasn’t had straight culture shoved down their throats in virtually every form of media they encounter.

Why do these threads even exist when it’s clear that LGBT is an absolute non-issue in the scope of lore?

not to forget they were not the first..
Caithe and Faolain??…
or are we still denying that? :p

kylwilson.9137:

phlemhacker.1372:

No offense intended, but why does anyone care? As far a gay rights go, I simply don’t care, but I might care a bit more if I didn’t have the culture shoved down my throat every thirty seconds in virtually every form of media I encounter.

Because the gay community hasn’t had straight culture shoved down their throats in virtually every form of media they encounter.

Why do these threads even exist when it’s clear that LGBT is an absolute non-issue in the scope of lore?

It is a non-issue to you. If you don’t want to hear what other humans think, then why are you on a forum feigning open-mindedness?

bullyrook.2165:

kylwilson.9137:

phlemhacker.1372:

No offense intended, but why does anyone care? As far a gay rights go, I simply don’t care, but I might care a bit more if I didn’t have the culture shoved down my throat every thirty seconds in virtually every form of media I encounter.

Because the gay community hasn’t had straight culture shoved down their throats in virtually every form of media they encounter.

Why do these threads even exist when it’s clear that LGBT is an absolute non-issue in the scope of lore?

It is a non-issue to you. If you don’t want to hear what other humans think, then why are you on a forum feigning open-mindedness?

That’s not what he said.

He said that it doesnt matter to Jennah. Completely different.

It’s you people that want to push your beliefs in the game and then claim intolerance when anyone disagrees with you for whatever reason.

bullyrook.2165:

kylwilson.9137:

phlemhacker.1372:

No offense intended, but why does anyone care? As far a gay rights go, I simply don’t care, but I might care a bit more if I didn’t have the culture shoved down my throat every thirty seconds in virtually every form of media I encounter.

Because the gay community hasn’t had straight culture shoved down their throats in virtually every form of media they encounter.

Why do these threads even exist when it’s clear that LGBT is an absolute non-issue in the scope of lore?

It is a non-issue to you. If you don’t want to hear what other humans think, then why are you on a forum feigning open-mindedness?

Feigning open mindne..

I’m a gay male. Please.

And as was previously stated, in terms of lore, nobody; specifically being any lawmaking entities, care.

You are free to be anything you want in gw2 human world. As long as it implies being young and beautiful.

awww. That means no playable hyleck :*(

Dustfinger.9510:

awww. That means no playable hyleck :*(

. . . drat, no running around going “hey toadface” . . .

redslion.9675:

You are free to be anything you want in gw2 human world. As long as it implies being young and beautiful.

Not true, you can be an old person. I think.

Dustfinger.9510:

awww. That means no playable hyleck :*(

>Living Story Chapter 3
>Hylek “Potion Makers” flood city streets with their “product”.
>You have to stop the Hylek “tribes” before they destabilize society.

Lostwingman.5034:

redslion.9675:

You are free to be anything you want in gw2 human world. As long as it implies being young and beautiful.

Not true, you can be an old person. I think.

Well I have seen young people with white hair put in place of old people.

What if humans are actually enslaved in a nightmarish society where you get killed at 30 years and every memory of your existence is erased?XD

Isn’t Queen Jenna like 29 or something?

Gonna ignore where the thread went:
I don’t think Krytans care much about that kind of thing. In the human noble storyline, you can accompany Countess Anise as her date to Minister Wi’s party…as either sex. People at the party will take note, one of them will ask if she should dye her hair red (i.e. to be attractive to you.) Plus, your best friend Lord Faren flirts with your character a bit regardless of gender, and at the same aforementioned party there is a girl who seems to be a…big fan of you. Again, regardless of gender.
(I only know so much about the party because I’ve played through it at least three separate times.)
There’s plenty of evidence that humans literally do not care about it, and why should they? On a meta level, I don’t see why it should even be an issue in a fantasy world. They’ve (and especially in the case of GW2) got bigger things to care about other than who kisses who, like the constant threat of their world ending.

Novomundum.8325:

On a side note: what about the other races? (except sylvari cause their opinions about the matter is obvious) What are the other races’ laws and opinions of same sex relationships.

Oh, forgot to answer this part too:
There is a Shiverpeaks heart you can complete, and the letter involves the heart guy essentially saying, “Hey, I think my friend has a crush on you.” His friend is female. He’ll say that whether you male or not.

I’m not sure about the charr and asura, but I sincerely doubt it matters to them as well. I think you can hear asuras talking about their same-sex lovers in street conversations…charr seem to care more about meat and war than a partner though.

At least for humans I would argue that the Krytan indifference to same-sex pairings stems from the fact that Tyrian humans have never had rigid gender roles in any of their societies. If gender doesn’t have the same sort of expectations attached to it that we have in our society then what gender someone is attracted to also becomes less of an issue as well.

kylwilson.9137:

phlemhacker.1372:

No offense intended, but why does anyone care? As far a gay rights go, I simply don’t care, but I might care a bit more if I didn’t have the culture shoved down my throat every thirty seconds in virtually every form of media I encounter.

Because the gay community hasn’t had straight culture shoved down their throats in virtually every form of media they encounter.

Why do these threads even exist when it’s clear that LGBT is an absolute non-issue in the scope of lore?

You’re right, I too am sick and tired of straight pride parades, months, and support groups at my university who are always harassing me about straight rights….

phlemhacker.1372:

kylwilson.9137:

phlemhacker.1372:

No offense intended, but why does anyone care? As far a gay rights go, I simply don’t care, but I might care a bit more if I didn’t have the culture shoved down my throat every thirty seconds in virtually every form of media I encounter.

Because the gay community hasn’t had straight culture shoved down their throats in virtually every form of media they encounter.

Why do these threads even exist when it’s clear that LGBT is an absolute non-issue in the scope of lore?

You’re right, I too am sick and tired of straight pride parades, months, and support groups at my university who are always harassing me about straight rights….

And I’m so tired of hearing about all of those anti-straight laws throughout the world, all of those straight-bashings, and straight people getting stoned to death in third world countries.

Nobody is sorry that you’re put slightly out of your comfort bubble of hetero-normativity.

This thread needs to be closed immediately if people like the person I’m quoting are going to spurt such nonsense.

kylwilson.9137:

phlemhacker.1372:

kylwilson.9137:

phlemhacker.1372:

No offense intended, but why does anyone care? As far a gay rights go, I simply don’t care, but I might care a bit more if I didn’t have the culture shoved down my throat every thirty seconds in virtually every form of media I encounter.

Because the gay community hasn’t had straight culture shoved down their throats in virtually every form of media they encounter.

Why do these threads even exist when it’s clear that LGBT is an absolute non-issue in the scope of lore?

You’re right, I too am sick and tired of straight pride parades, months, and support groups at my university who are always harassing me about straight rights….

And I’m so tired of hearing about all of those anti-straight laws throughout the world, all of those straight-bashings, and straight people getting stoned to death in third world countries.

Nobody is sorry that you’re put slightly out of your comfort bubble of hetero-normativity.

This thread needs to be closed immediately if people like the person I’m quoting are going to spurt such nonsense.

If it makes any difference, I am against laws prohibiting the marriage of homosexual couples in my country. I believe every human, whether I agree with their practices or not, has the right to do as they please. My concerns are more of a cultural standing than a legal one.

Given some of your past posts I’ve seen, bullyrook, that’s an odd stance to have. But I do respect you for it, for what it’s worth.

Zaxares.5419:

Given some of your past posts I’ve seen, bullyrook, that’s an odd stance to have. But I do respect you for it, for what it’s worth.

It’s not that odd, given his posts’ tone. It seems he doesn’t mind what other people choose to do so long as they don’t try to get him to change his own ways. Which, notably, is fine with me.

I mean, unless they’re asura. In which case I still need help calibrating the Asura Trebuchet 3.2.

I am happy to see LGBT themes in this game, I am also happy with the way religion is set up! Nice break from reality, plus I found a LGBT friendly guild so I do not have to hide the fact I have a boyfriend!

Skipped most of the thread, but I recall the closest anet came to anti-same sex marriage was basically saying…

“The Charr might be the most opposed to it, but they really don’t care as long as it doesn’t mess with a soldiers duties (like anything else).”

Otherwise, Marjory and Kasmeer are completely open about their relationship in a bar. If it was such a taboo thing, that wouldn’t happen.

Kalavier.1097:

Skipped most of the thread, but I recall the closest anet came to anti-same sex marriage was basically saying…

“The Charr might be the most opposed to it, but they really don’t care as long as it doesn’t mess with a soldiers duties (like anything else).”

Otherwise, Marjory and Kasmeer are completely open about their relationship in a bar. If it was such a taboo thing, that wouldn’t happen.

Yeah, because the taboo’s have such an effect in real life =_=.

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

Same sexes stuff exists because of our genetics and biology of animals, not because a god said it is to be or not to be so.

Anet did it right and stayed true to real world in that a religion makes it so whether something is allowed or not and laws being written to reflect the will of a religion.

Extremely bold. What proof, pray tell, do you have that no God made it this way in real life? What proof do you have that a God didn’t make it this way in real life? Is it not a possibility that God made all of Biology?

Claiming things to be true in real life on knowledge that you have no possible way to ascertain… I am just surprised no one has called you out on this logical failing sooner.

That is what you believe sir, not what you know nor is it a “truth” of the world.

Vanthian.9267:

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

Same sexes stuff exists because of our genetics and biology of animals, not because a god said it is to be or not to be so.

Anet did it right and stayed true to real world in that a religion makes it so whether something is allowed or not and laws being written to reflect the will of a religion.

Extremely bold. What proof, pray tell, do you have that no God made it this way in real life? What proof do you have that a God didn’t make it this way in real life? Is it not a possibility that God made all of Biology?

Do you have proof that it was done so by “God”, or are you just trying to fog the issue? Because, my friend, if you’re going to make that claim seriously . . . you need to have some extraordinary evidence up your sleeve.

Claiming things to be true in real life on knowledge that you have no possible way to ascertain… I am just surprised no one has called you out on this logical failing sooner.

That is what you believe sir, not what you know nor is it a “truth” of the world.

I believe if there is a “God” who is conscientious enough to leave a complete lack of proof He exists outside of blind faith which can’t be proven, then it’s equally possible He does not exist.

bullyrook.2165:

Kalavier.1097:

Skipped most of the thread, but I recall the closest anet came to anti-same sex marriage was basically saying…

“The Charr might be the most opposed to it, but they really don’t care as long as it doesn’t mess with a soldiers duties (like anything else).”

Otherwise, Marjory and Kasmeer are completely open about their relationship in a bar. If it was such a taboo thing, that wouldn’t happen.

Yeah, because the taboo’s have such an effect in real life =_=.

A good bit back, if you were gay you wouldn’t openly talk about it in a bar. You wouldn’t basically walk up to somebody and ask if the guy they were with was their boyfriend/husband.

If Kryta really was against same sex couples, why would they openly discuss it in a bar, the most noted place across almost every universe to get the latest rumors and information?

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

it’s equally possible He does not exist.

I’d say that this is the only honest conclusion that humanity at large can come to. That both possibilities are equally viable.

Science can’t prove the existence of a Supreme Being. Since that Supreme being wouldn’t be subject to the natural laws that It created. Even finding a Supreme Being would be impossible to test in a “controlled” environment to see whether they really are a Supreme Being or not. And positively denying what isn’t subject to the test of science goes against the entire spirit of science.

That means that it really does come down to any evidence that is enough for the individual. No matter which way they lean. Which is why, I think, Einstein wrote a book that stated that science and religion need not be at odds.

Kalavier.1097:

bullyrook.2165:

Kalavier.1097:

Skipped most of the thread, but I recall the closest anet came to anti-same sex marriage was basically saying…

“The Charr might be the most opposed to it, but they really don’t care as long as it doesn’t mess with a soldiers duties (like anything else).”

Otherwise, Marjory and Kasmeer are completely open about their relationship in a bar. If it was such a taboo thing, that wouldn’t happen.

Yeah, because the taboo’s have such an effect in real life =_=.

A good bit back, if you were gay you wouldn’t openly talk about it in a bar. You wouldn’t basically walk up to somebody and ask if the guy they were with was their boyfriend/husband.

If Kryta really was against same sex couples, why would they openly discuss it in a bar, the most noted place across almost every universe to get the latest rumors and information?

Maybe it is a homosexual hot-spot :P. Not uncommon, even “a good bit back”.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

I believe if there is a “God” who is conscientious enough to leave a complete lack of proof He exists outside of blind faith which can’t be proven, then it’s equally possible He does not exist.

I am not the one claiming knowledge on something that is not even remotely possible to prove. You have the burden of proof not the ones you insult. Think before you speak.

If you make a claim, you are the one charged with backing it up. Not your audience (if you even have one).