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Posted by: Arcturus.5846

Arcturus.5846

Today I decided to open my 4+ years old birthday gift on my alt character in GW1 and to my dissapointment I recieved a http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Miniature_Necrid_Horseman

However I can’t help but notice that I have yet seen a single normal horse in Tyria. As you can see from the miniature, it’s a guy on a normal dead horse not an undead centaur.

So where are all the horses in Tyria? Do they even exist?

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Posted by: Lutinz.6915

Lutinz.6915

Charr ate them all. True story.

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Posted by: Alpharius.2138

Alpharius.2138

There was a long debate about this on the GW Guru forums a while back. It’s assumed that horses do, or at least did exist. The Canthans have a celestial horse (even though in the game it’s just a re-skinned Kirin) and one of the emperors was supposedly killed when his horse threw him. Nobody’s ever really bothered explaining why we don’t see horses. My guess is since we only hear of them in historic accounts and see them as long dead skeletons, they somehow went extinct.

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Posted by: Archduke.3817

Archduke.3817

There is concept art with horses in it. So it is known that there is a possibility of horses. They are probably wild and in regions that are not yet open to us… shrug I’m not sure. But I love horses and would enjoy seeing them.

Here’s the concept piece. Upon further research, I find that the arches are Human, likely from Ascalon, which we know is in ruins, now Charr territory. Maybe the Charr did eat them. ;(

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Posted by: almostdaft.4319

almostdaft.4319

Doylaks or go home.

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Posted by: wouw.5837

wouw.5837

weren’t Horses trained in Orr? but I didn’t see any GW2,tho

Elona is Love, Elona is life.

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Posted by: Yata.8932

Yata.8932

An NPC I ran across (can’t remember where, maybe the Harathi Hinterlands?) Explains how to differentiate centaur tribes, and references how they look like different breeds of horse. So while they may be extinct, people in the current age certainly know a lot about them it seems.

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Posted by: Shael.4703

Shael.4703

Horses are non existent on the planet Tyria. Horses are exclusive on planet Earth. It is not the dolphins as some people say, it is the horses. Even Tyria have dolphins.

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Posted by: BananaMatrix.3702

BananaMatrix.3702

Charr ate them all. True story.

And they were delicious!

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Posted by: CureForLiving.5360

CureForLiving.5360

Charr ate them all. True story.

And they were delicious!

I can’t refute that logic.

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Posted by: sterrell.2780

sterrell.2780

Charr ate them all. True story.

If you made them non-tameable, people might get freaked out by getting a slab of red meat from a horse.

If you made them pets, everyone would want to ride them and GW2 is noticeably devoid of mounts.

I don’t recall a non-centaur horse in GW1, but I probably wasn’t looking. Any concrete examples?

Speaking of centaurs, how did humans end up in a war with the centaurs when things looked so promising when Mizra helped out in GW1?

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Posted by: tjafaas.3726

tjafaas.3726

Well, Mirza was in Elona. Friendly centaurs are almost an impossibility in Tyria, at least for now.

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Posted by: Phrixscreoth.6895

Phrixscreoth.6895

If you accept the idea that the game play you are experiencing is not literally what is happening but say… a story that is being told of your life, if you never really interacted with horses, horses would never enter into the story.

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Posted by: Liraz.8062

Liraz.8062

There are definitely horses in Tyria, and the NPCs mention them both in GW1 and GW2.

They existed at the time of Orr, since there were undead horsemen in GW1. The imagery of knights on horseback persists even to the present day Tyria (check out the pictures of the festival in DR, for example), and two of the guild symbols it is available is that of unicorns.

Pictures depicting horses and horselike creatures from the wiki:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/5/59/Carnival_01_concept_art.jpg/800px-Carnival_01_concept_art.jpg
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/0/09/Guild_emblem_48.png
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/8b/Guild_emblem_49.png

There are also horses mentioned in Edge of Destiny, page 97:

In Edge of Destiny a herd of wild horses is seen through an asura gate when Logan, Rytlock, and Caithe flee from the Destroyer horde in the Dwarven ruins.

“Visions. Beautiful visions… a grassy plain where wild horses ran… a deep lagoon encircled by leaning palms…”

There’s horses in the concept art:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/4/48/Human_architecture_05_concept_art.jpg/800px-Human_architecture_05_concept_art.jpg

This lore bit here also mentions skilled horsemen:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/An_Empire_Divided:_A_Selected_History_of_Mysterious_Cantha_for_the_Traveling_Scholar

And here’s a dude in original GW that mentions riding horses:

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zumo_the_Beggar

Hey, hey you! I was riding my horse to the other side of town and I ran out of hey to feed him to get there. Spare a few gold so I can feed him and be on my way?

So there are definitely horses in the lore, all over the place.

The better question is, why don’t we SEE any horses in Tyria?

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Posted by: Branwin.4609

Branwin.4609

You were disappointed that you got a pet??
You people are unbelievable!

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Posted by: Lande.5782

Lande.5782

Charr ate them all. True story.

Okay, okay! I admit it! My people ate them all! We kept saying one more couldn’t hurt, and then they were gone! We’re sorry!

A gear treadmill in Guild Wars, seriously?
http://i.imgur.com/Gt6Za.jpg

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Posted by: EmpyJon.4561

EmpyJon.4561

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lord_Timot

Anyone with a good memory of Prophecies will remember him.
Specially anyone who turned Scoundrel’s Rise into their short-round farming spot.

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

There are definitely horses in Tyria, and the NPCs mention them both in GW1 and GW2.

They existed at the time of Orr, since there were undead horsemen in GW1. The imagery of knights on horseback persists even to the present day Tyria (check out the pictures of the festival in DR, for example), and two of the guild symbols it is available is that of unicorns.

Pictures depicting horses and horselike creatures from the wiki:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/5/59/Carnival_01_concept_art.jpg/800px-Carnival_01_concept_art.jpg
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/0/09/Guild_emblem_48.png
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/8b/Guild_emblem_49.png

There are also horses mentioned in Edge of Destiny, page 97:

In Edge of Destiny a herd of wild horses is seen through an asura gate when Logan, Rytlock, and Caithe flee from the Destroyer horde in the Dwarven ruins.

“Visions. Beautiful visions… a grassy plain where wild horses ran… a deep lagoon encircled by leaning palms…”

There’s horses in the concept art:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/4/48/Human_architecture_05_concept_art.jpg/800px-Human_architecture_05_concept_art.jpg

This lore bit here also mentions skilled horsemen:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/An_Empire_Divided:_A_Selected_History_of_Mysterious_Cantha_for_the_Traveling_Scholar

And here’s a dude in original GW that mentions riding horses:

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zumo_the_Beggar

Hey, hey you! I was riding my horse to the other side of town and I ran out of hey to feed him to get there. Spare a few gold so I can feed him and be on my way?

So there are definitely horses in the lore, all over the place.

The better question is, why don’t we SEE any horses in Tyria?

I’m just quoting this for a good sourced post. However, you forgot some:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Celestial_Horse
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Four_Horsemen

Four horsemen approach, riders of Dhuum.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Iron_Horse_Mine
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/A_Sound_of_Ancient_Horns

This old war horse still knows a thing or two.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Gate_of_Desolation

Palawa Joko: “Easy now, my little plough horse. Now if you don’t mind, I will be taking my leave.”

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Horseman_Saralim

The manes of the half-man, half-horse creatures of this land are great prizes!

So yes, horses exist. They weren’t extinct by GW1’s time at least, or by Edge of Destiny’s time (which was only 5 years before GW2, and I doubt they’d go extinct in 5 year’s time, though it’s possible). So the question truly is: where the hell are they?

Some were in Orr, some were in Cantha. Some are… somewhere in the world accessible by an asura gate, seemingly in the middle of no where.

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: Ragnar the Rock.3174

Ragnar the Rock.3174

They could just be incredibly rare in the world of Tyria & thus either all be wild or exclusively owned/used by the rich/nobles.

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Posted by: moonslightv.6704

moonslightv.6704

If horses were in the game we would have countless players asking why they can’t have mounts.
Anet: “There are no mounts planned in GW2”
Player: “But I see horses all over the place, why can’t i ride them?!”

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Posted by: Cancer.9065

Cancer.9065

If horses were in the game we would have countless players asking why they can’t have mounts.
Anet: “There are no mounts planned in GW2”
Player: “But I see horses all over the place, why can’t i ride them?!”

Well I see Moas all over the place… Why can’t i get my FF freak one and ride them?

Cancer is also a Zodiac sign.

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Posted by: Alaundria.9573

Alaundria.9573

I’m likely necroing an old thread, but with the advent of the Halloween event, I think it’s worth mentioning that one of the ghosts from the first part of the Mad Memories quest met her demise when her horse trampled her:

(possible spoilers) :http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Serene

(edited by Alaundria.9573)

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Posted by: Excelliate.7914

Excelliate.7914

They’re not in game because Anet doesn’t want people whining about mounts.

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Posted by: Rehashed Jibe Tube.7102

Rehashed Jibe Tube.7102

didn’t work…they still do

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Posted by: BrunoBRS.5178

BrunoBRS.5178

I’m likely necroing an old thread, but with the advent of the Halloween event, I think it’s worth mentioning that one of the ghosts from the first part of the Mad Memories quest met her demise when her horse trampled her:

(possible spoilers) :http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Serene

that was 500 years ago though.

charr totally ate them all.

LegendaryMythril/Zihark Darshell

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Posted by: Alaundria.9573

Alaundria.9573

charr totally ate them all.

A guy I work with claims to have actually eaten horse (he was in Mongolia at the time, it’s a pretty common food source there). He says it was quite tasty.

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Posted by: BrunoBRS.5178

BrunoBRS.5178

^ that only proves the theory of “charr ate them to extinction” even more.

not that it’s a serious theory.

LegendaryMythril/Zihark Darshell

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Posted by: Karast.1927

Karast.1927

Clearly it was not the Charr but Sylvari that ate the horses! We know from the books that they are meat eaters!

It was probably a matter of survival, eat the horses, before the horses ate them!

Either that or a mad asura scientist, while trying to make an asura horse hybrid to combat centuars, accidentally killed them all!

It could totally happen!

What do you think happened to Gargoyles?

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Posted by: BrunoBRS.5178

BrunoBRS.5178

^ i’m pretty sure horses were long gone by the time asuras and sylvaris popped up.

LegendaryMythril/Zihark Darshell

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Posted by: Anakita Snakecharm.4360

Anakita Snakecharm.4360

As Alaundria mentioned, one of the Halloween ghosts, Serene, was killed by her horse.

There’s also a GW1 Halloween quest added this year about helping locate the Mad King’s invisible steed, a pony named Gum Drops. What’s noteworthy about that – since the Mad King could potentially have an animal no one else had – is that the Emissary makes clear during that quest that the PC should reasonably know what a pony looks like. (The line of conversation makes sense in context.)

So while there may not be horses now, there would have been at one time, and they would seemingly have been sufficiently prevalent that the average person would know the basics about them.

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Posted by: Mechos.5640

Mechos.5640

One other thing of import, to add to the presence of horses in game…

Go to Divinity’s Reach, by the gates. You’ll actually find a collection of carriages. And they don’t seem to be the type to be pulled by oxen or dolyak.

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Posted by: Anakita Snakecharm.4360

Anakita Snakecharm.4360

I forgot to add that some of the Seraph refer to the centaurs derogatorily as “ponies” if you listen to their dialog, which also indicates that they have a clear concept of what horses are.

(As an explanation for those who aren’t horse people: although there are exceptions for some breeds, in general the difference between a horse and a pony is a height cutoff. In most cases they’re the same type of animal, which is why I’m referring to horses and ponies interchangeably in my posts.)

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Posted by: castlemanic.3198

castlemanic.3198

I forgot to add that some of the Seraph refer to the centaurs derogatorily as “ponies” if you listen to their dialog, which also indicates that they have a clear concept of what horses are.

(As an explanation for those who aren’t horse people: although there are exceptions for some breeds, in general the difference between a horse and a pony is a height cutoff. In most cases they’re the same type of animal, which is why I’m referring to horses and ponies interchangeably in my posts.)

i know this is slightly off topic, but as a non-horse person, i do have to ask:

i always thought ponies were just baby horses, is that not the case?

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Posted by: SARobb.8365

SARobb.8365

I forgot to add that some of the Seraph refer to the centaurs derogatorily as “ponies” if you listen to their dialog, which also indicates that they have a clear concept of what horses are.

(As an explanation for those who aren’t horse people: although there are exceptions for some breeds, in general the difference between a horse and a pony is a height cutoff. In most cases they’re the same type of animal, which is why I’m referring to horses and ponies interchangeably in my posts.)

i know this is slightly off topic, but as a non-horse person, i do have to ask:

i always thought ponies were just baby horses, is that not the case?

Ponies are technically small horses, usually 12-14.3 hands high. Of course, lots of people use the term pony to replace the term ‘foal’ or ‘filly’ when referring to baby horses.

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Posted by: castlemanic.3198

castlemanic.3198

I forgot to add that some of the Seraph refer to the centaurs derogatorily as “ponies” if you listen to their dialog, which also indicates that they have a clear concept of what horses are.

(As an explanation for those who aren’t horse people: although there are exceptions for some breeds, in general the difference between a horse and a pony is a height cutoff. In most cases they’re the same type of animal, which is why I’m referring to horses and ponies interchangeably in my posts.)

i know this is slightly off topic, but as a non-horse person, i do have to ask:

i always thought ponies were just baby horses, is that not the case?

Ponies are technically small horses, usually 12-14.3 hands high. Of course, lots of people use the term pony to replace the term ‘foal’ or ‘filly’ when referring to baby horses.

Alright, thanks for that.

Hopefully we’ll see a horse at some point, or maybe a ghost of a horse or whatever lol.

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Posted by: Fievre.4510

Fievre.4510

PS – Lack of horses doesn’t mean people won’t inquire about mounts. Hard to believe, I know, but there are other mountable options.

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Posted by: Narcemus.1348

Narcemus.1348

Yes, but having horses in the game would bring up major speculation about the possibility of mounts, as well as major complaints about not being able to ride them.

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Posted by: Fievre.4510

Fievre.4510

But those speculations and complaints are already present. Without horses.

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Posted by: castlemanic.3198

castlemanic.3198

But those speculations and complaints are already present. Without horses.

And about horses too.

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Posted by: Alex the Precise.3654

Alex the Precise.3654

We don’t see any horses because like the Mad King’s pony, they’re invisible! All Tyrian horses are invisible creatures.

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Posted by: Narcemus.1348

Narcemus.1348

except their skeletons which are visible under the necrid horsemen of GW1

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Posted by: BrunoBRS.5178

BrunoBRS.5178

well obviously, it’s only their skin that’s invisible, so when the skin rots, the visible skeleton appears.

LIEK, TOTALLY.

LegendaryMythril/Zihark Darshell

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Posted by: Celestina.2894

Celestina.2894

well obviously, it’s only their skin that’s invisible, so when the skin rots, the visible skeleton appears.

LIEK, TOTALLY.

I like this theory

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Posted by: Ikoshin.2430

Ikoshin.2430

I like the idea of Anet adding roaming horse’s to the grassland area’s have them non tamable and possibly non kill-able, I have seen packs of other animals and flocks*? of Moa running around like this.

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Posted by: Narcemus.1348

Narcemus.1348

Well, we have no clue what lives in the large areas north of Kryta, it could be that horses live there. The other option is that horses, being only visible around nobility and/or Orrians, are native to another continent that we have not yet been to.

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Posted by: NolanP.7604

NolanP.7604

well its obvious that the charr ate them all and turned their hooves into glue, sold the glue to asuras so the asurans could do arts and crafts that could possible blow up countries…

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Posted by: Azujax.2703

Azujax.2703

This rise of the elder dragons coincides with the disappearance of horses.

Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

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Posted by: applecup.3047

applecup.3047

This rise of the elder dragons coincides with the disappearance of horses.

Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

the elder dragons were in fact disguised as horses

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Posted by: Mint Rain.6798

Mint Rain.6798

There are definitely horses in Tyria, and the NPCs mention them both in GW1 and GW2.

They existed at the time of Orr, since there were undead horsemen in GW1. The imagery of knights on horseback persists even to the present day Tyria (check out the pictures of the festival in DR, for example), and two of the guild symbols it is available is that of unicorns.

Pictures depicting horses and horselike creatures from the wiki:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/5/59/Carnival_01_concept_art.jpg/800px-Carnival_01_concept_art.jpg
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/0/09/Guild_emblem_48.png
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/8/8b/Guild_emblem_49.png

There are also horses mentioned in Edge of Destiny, page 97:

In Edge of Destiny a herd of wild horses is seen through an asura gate when Logan, Rytlock, and Caithe flee from the Destroyer horde in the Dwarven ruins.

“Visions. Beautiful visions… a grassy plain where wild horses ran… a deep lagoon encircled by leaning palms…”

There’s horses in the concept art:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/thumb/4/48/Human_architecture_05_concept_art.jpg/800px-Human_architecture_05_concept_art.jpg

This lore bit here also mentions skilled horsemen:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/An_Empire_Divided:_A_Selected_History_of_Mysterious_Cantha_for_the_Traveling_Scholar

And here’s a dude in original GW that mentions riding horses:

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zumo_the_Beggar

Hey, hey you! I was riding my horse to the other side of town and I ran out of hey to feed him to get there. Spare a few gold so I can feed him and be on my way?

So there are definitely horses in the lore, all over the place.

The better question is, why don’t we SEE any horses in Tyria?

Thank you for gathering all of this. It was a common belief that horses were extinct. However, with all these gathered facts, I like the ideas I’m seeing above:
Horses are extremely rare. Even if they were added in game, it would probably be a heard here or there. The fact that we’ve only really seen nobles talking about them likely means they’re VERY expensive – due to being hard to get.
This means (RPers) that it is very unlikely your character will have a horse (seeing by the sounds of it they’re only for the rich and extremely hard to find.)

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Posted by: NeonFrog.7351

NeonFrog.7351

Someone found out that killing a horse was worth 5xp. Now they’re extinct.