Warriors are broken, and have been for 5 months now. You refuse to acknowledge the issue except to say you want to buff HS before you nerf it.
Guardians have been in the meta since BETA, with no other profession as a viable alternative. APEX PREDATOR much?
Thieves have dominated the roamer role for about 8 months now, with no sign of any good buffs for elementalists and only nerfs for mesmers. Again APEX PREDATOR much?
Are you going to fix your PvP in the immediate future, or is GW2 simply another candidate for a post-mortem?
Warriors and their power level are being dwindled down bit by bit, as to not completely make them free kills like their previous incarnation. Stop trying so hard to be as destructive to the warrior profession and GW2 in general as you have been in your posts. It’s getting old.
The fact that Guardians have been a part of the meta throughout various significant patches just proves just how BALANCED they are, where their power level has not sharply fallen or risen. This is a GOOD thing.
Thieves were completely broken before, they are ‘managable’ although some slight tuning could work. Elementalists are in the reverse situation of Warriors in the fact that over various patches they are receiving one or two significant changes to their builds to help them survive. The next one to come up would definitely bring DD eles to an even more powerful role than before. Mesmers overall are a tricky class, but still completely viable in all aspects with specilized builds capable of 1v1s (Mesmers are the duelist profession in this game), roaming, small group and some utility in zergs. However they definitely need more outstanding damage in ZvZ.
Also stop being so negative, vague and unconstructive in your posts. Provide alternatives and look at every single angle of a skill you think is likely broken and don’t stop spouting random nerfs that won’t ever take off.
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Warriors and their power level are being dwindled down bit by bit, as to not completely make them free kills like their previous incarnation. Stop trying so hard to be as destructive to the warrior profession and GW2 in general as you have been in your posts. It’s getting old.
The fact that Guardians have been a part of the meta throughout various significant patches just proves just how BALANCED they are, where their power level has not sharply fallen or risen. This is a GOOD thing.
Thieves were completely broken before, they are ‘managable’ although some slight tuning could work. Elementalists are in the reverse situation of Warriors in the fact that over various patches they are receiving one or two significant changes to their builds to help them survive. The next one to come up would definitely bring DD eles to an even more powerful role than before. Mesmers overall are a tricky class, but still completely viable in all aspects with specilized builds capable of 1v1s (Mesmers are the duelist profession in this game), roaming, small group and some utility in zergs. However they definitely need more outstanding damage in ZvZ.
Also stop being so negative, vague and unconstructive in your posts. Provide alternatives and look at every single angle of a skill you think is likely broken and don’t stop spouting random nerfs that won’t ever take off.
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Count the number of professions. Is it 5? No. It’s 8. If Guardian is a must-have in ALL teams that means it’s an APEX PREDATOR. Same with warrior. Same with thief.
That means there are 5 professions left vying for 2 slots. That is not balance.
I’ve never in my entire year of playing GW2 felt that Gaurdians weren’t balanced. They aren’t so much a requirement as they are awesome to have due to the nature of the class being support for the group regardless how the gaurd is build.
Thieves have also been brought down to a pretty acceptable level, and honestly could probably use a little love since they’ve been losing so much of their mobility yet not getting much in return.
Warriors are a disease on the game and need to be looked at with a flamethrower.
I’ve never in my entire year of playing GW2 felt that Gaurdians weren’t balanced. They aren’t so much a requirement as they are awesome to have due to the nature of the class being support for the group regardless how the gaurd is build.
Thieves have also been brought down to a pretty acceptable level, and honestly could probably use a little love since they’ve been losing so much of their mobility yet not getting much in return.
Warriors are a disease on the game and need to be looked at with a flamethrower.
Have you ever seen a meta without Guardian? If so, can you please point it out? I have not yet seen a viable team that does not have a Guardian. That means they are a necessity.
Have you seen a meta in the past 8 months without thief?
Answer honestly.
You may think that Guardians and thieves are “acceptable”, but you are likely basing that upon the reason that they can be taken down.
Look at it from the point of view of the role they perform. What other profession can reasonably compete for the same role they perform?
The answer is ‘none’. That means, no matter how beatable they are, there are no other professions that can compete for the same role. APEX PREDATOR. That means there is no balance.
Look at all the tournaments over the past 8 months. Every team has Guardian+Warrior+Thief. That means you have 5 professions vying for 2 slots.
Thieves have dominated the roamer role for about 8 months now, with no sign of any good buffs for elementalists and only nerfs for mesmers. Again APEX PREDATOR much?
I think that is a valid question and one that I would like an answer to as well.
Where exactly does a-net see the elementalist and mesmer fit in?
I’ve never in my entire year of playing GW2 felt that Gaurdians weren’t balanced. They aren’t so much a requirement as they are awesome to have due to the nature of the class being support for the group regardless how the gaurd is build.
For the other professiosn they have their niches and mechanics. Engies can bunker well and actually kill people. Certain classes can eat guardians up 1v1 easily. Spvp meta has a lot of Condition spam and CC. Also I’ve seen eles wreck Team battles with Ice bow damage and Metor showers. Hurts pretty bad.
Elementalist can crap out team support like a guardian and can offer better team healing if you’re using staff, mesmers act as DPS support, necros and hammer warriors are control types. Engies can bunker great as well and actually kill people.
Thieves have also been brought down to a pretty acceptable level, and honestly could probably use a little love since they’ve been losing so much of their mobility yet not getting much in return.
Warriors are a disease on the game and need to be looked at with a flamethrower.
Have you ever seen a meta without Guardian?
Have you seen a meta in the past 8 months without thief?
Is that a bad thing? Guardians are a balanced profession. They have weakness and sacrifice for what they want to do. Not having the best of both worlds. WvW Roaming theif is only good at ganking, and in small groups Venom share is a option for those who want to play a daring/risky build. In any case Spvp wise guards are only good for bunkers and a certain extent a meditation play style some choose to play. WvW Zergs idgaf about since everything is about stacking defense things so you don’t die in the massive lag fest pressing one, roaming is hard because easily kited, and easily condition spammed, PVE they’re pretty good, but who the hell complains about PVE? THe place is only constructed of AI and predictable movements with HP sacks they call Champions and Legendary mobs.
A gaurdian has trade outs high defense = less dmg visa versa. I dont play war its boring my buddy does and he can easily maintain 3k+ att with 3k toughness and a respectable crit chance. And you say war is broken? Lets not forget your health pool compared to a guardians as well….. the thief part makes me chuckle you played one recently? I definitly don’t c consider us a top roamer, I won’t even try to attack warriors in wvw cause itll take me 5 min of perfect game play to drop them while they stand still literally AA for 2.5k a hit.
Is that a bad thing? Guardians are a balanced profession. They have weakness and sacrifice for what they want to do. Not having the best of both worlds. WvW Roaming theif is only good at ganking, and in small groups Venom share is a option for those who want to play a daring/risky build. In any case Spvp wise guards are only good for bunkers and a certain extent a meditation play style some choose to play. WvW Zergs idgaf about since everything is about stacking defense things so you don’t die in the massive lag fest pressing one, roaming is hard because easily kited, and easily condition spammed, PVE they’re pretty good, but who the hell complains about PVE? THe place is only constructed of AI and predictable movements with HP sacks they call Champions and Legendary mobs.
I am pretty sure he is talking about tpvp and is questioning why no other profession can take the role of the guardian in a team.
It is not that the guardian is unbalanced, it is that no other profession is designed to fill this particular role while various professions (ideally) could fill the other roles on a team.
In the ideal world you could bring a none thief roamer, but there is no other choice when it comes to the guardian.
Assuming every team would want to run with 1 guardian. (You rarely see a team without one), that leaves 4 slots for the 7 remaining professions to compete for.
Is that a bad thing? Guardians are a balanced profession. They have weakness and sacrifice for what they want to do. Not having the best of both worlds. WvW Roaming theif is only good at ganking, and in small groups Venom share is a option for those who want to play a daring/risky build. In any case Spvp wise guards are only good for bunkers and a certain extent a meditation play style some choose to play. WvW Zergs idgaf about since everything is about stacking defense things so you don’t die in the massive lag fest pressing one, roaming is hard because easily kited, and easily condition spammed, PVE they’re pretty good, but who the hell complains about PVE? THe place is only constructed of AI and predictable movements with HP sacks they call Champions and Legendary mobs.
I am pretty sure he is talking about tpvp and is questioning why no other profession can take the role of the guardian in a team.
It is not that the guardian is not balanced, it is that it is the only profession designed to fill this role while the other roles on a team ideally could be filled by various professions.
In the ideal world you could bring a none thief roamer, but there are no other choice when it comes to the guardian.
i’ve seen Warriors and Engies bunker points with impressive pressuring power, and mobility(also the ability to actually and possibly kill people). The whole thing about Guardian in Spvp is two key things. Standing on a point and ensuring team gets points, and team fights where you can apply good support. That’s it. Outside of that guardians don’t have much else to provide. They aren’t fast mobile point cappers, they aren’t assassins that can pressure DPS/pressure characters well unless they are very immobile. In any case Guardians aren’t the only bunkers, some just function differently while Guardian has things that make surviving easier, but sacrifice for that, but other classes carrying things that the guardian does not have and aslo counts as multi-purpose survivability.
Warriors are broken, and have been for 5 months now. You refuse to acknowledge the issue except to say you want to buff HS before you nerf it.
Guardians have been in the meta since BETA, with no other profession as a viable alternative. APEX PREDATOR much?
Thieves have dominated the roamer role for about 8 months now, with no sign of any good buffs for elementalists and only nerfs for mesmers. Again APEX PREDATOR much?
Are you going to fix your PvP in the immediate future, or is GW2 simply another candidate for a post-mortem?
You lost all respect when you said mesmers only get nerfs. They are the best 1v1 class in the game.
You honestly expect an in-depth discussion if you are just going to mention that classes are broken without describing what makes them too powerful? This just sounds like a cry for attention.
Thieves have dominated the roamer role for about 8 months now, with no sign of any good buffs for elementalists and only nerfs for mesmers. Again APEX PREDATOR much?
Are you going to fix your PvP in the immediate future, or is GW2 simply another candidate for a post-mortem?
You do realize engineers are frequently used as roamers, they do not beat thieves in terms of mobility but no class necessarily should. Engineers mobility is great with their kite potential, their amount range, and swiftness up time.
Thief is definitely not apex predator in this position, because engineers do just fine at how they are supposed to roam. Thief having the highest mobility is made up for how squishy the class is.
Also forgot to mention, thieves have only been as strong as you say they are if you could play one to its fullest potential, not just spamming 3 playing S/D, or 521 spam D/P, or even being slow on your rotation for a decap
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You lost all respect when you said mesmers only get nerfs. They are the best 1v1 class in the game.
Keep in mind that mesmers do not bring their strong 1v1 specs into tpvp. Also, keep in mind that mesmers are getting nerfed with the next balance patch without dominating this particular area of the game.
….You may think that Guardians and thieves are “acceptable”, but you are likely basing that upon the reason that they can be taken down…
Ummm…Is it a bad thing that they can be beaten?
Answer honestly.
That is not the point. The point is not that the class can be beaten. If that was the only criteria for balance, then necromancers would still be dominating the meta. Condition necromancers could be beaten rather easily. The problem is when a class becomes so dominant at a function that they become a requirement.
Warriors are broken, and have been for 5 months now. You refuse to acknowledge the issue except to say you want to buff HS before you nerf it.
Guardians have been in the meta since BETA, with no other profession as a viable alternative. APEX PREDATOR much?
Thieves have dominated the roamer role for about 8 months now, with no sign of any good buffs for elementalists and only nerfs for mesmers. Again APEX PREDATOR much?
Are you going to fix your PvP in the immediate future, or is GW2 simply another candidate for a post-mortem?
You lost all respect when you said mesmers only get nerfs. They are the best 1v1 class in the game.
Perhaps that was worded awkwardly. Mesmers have received buffs in the past (and nerfs). I was referring to what has been previewed in the upcoming patches. Let me rephrase:
Thieves have dominated the roamer role for about 8 months now, with no sign of any good buffs for elementalists and only nerfs upcoming for mesmers. Again APEX PREDATOR much?
As far as 1v1 is concerned: The best specs a Mesmer would use for 1v1 are not remotely viable in tPvP.
Thieves have dominated the roamer role for about 8 months now, with no sign of any good buffs for elementalists and only nerfs for mesmers. Again APEX PREDATOR much?
Are you going to fix your PvP in the immediate future, or is GW2 simply another candidate for a post-mortem?
You do realize engineers are frequently used as roamers, they do not beat thieves in terms of mobility but no class necessarily should. Engineers mobility is great with their kite potential, their amount range, and swiftness up time.
Thief is definitely not apex predator in this position, because engineers do just fine at how they are supposed to roam. Thief having the highest mobility is made up for how squishy the class is.
Also forgot to mention, thieves have only been as strong as you say they are if you could play one to its fullest potential, not just spamming 3 playing S/D, or 521 spam D/P, or even being slow on your rotation for a decap
Warriors are also used as roamers. However, there is no question thief is far superior option. Engineers are decent roamers, but far better at node decap.
It’s not just thieves, however.
I’m really pointing out the obvious. Guardian+Thief+Warrior has been the meta now for almost half 2013, and there is no sign of that changing. Guardian+Thief have been in the meta now for almost all of 2013.
That’s bad for the game if Anet wants to promote diverse play.
Guardian and Thief have been in the meta for most of 2013 Warrior got into the meta at Pax which was August 31 of 2013(which is the end of 2013). That was when at the following SOTG Chaplain said it took us x long for warriors to show in the meta. Warriors could have been there a little bit prior but nobody really complained about warriors as of that Pax tourney it was still all about necro complaining.
Guards and Thiefs stay in the meta because nobody else can do what they do the way they do it. Classes can come close but are just not as good.
You always want the best for that “Role” that is what is important. For this to change I think the new gametypes will change these roles. I believe it was a pax it was revealed they have new game types coming. Now when it is time for a DPS/Healing role with more focus on DPS like deathmatch type game then I would rather have an Ele then Guard.
I think the gametype just dictates now those roles and it would be bad to nerf classes because others can’t fill that role there will always be something better. Players will figure it out eventually.
