Guild Wars 2

Stealth to engage I understand and is said so in the class description. But stealth to escape is not. If it is agility and acrobatic fighting style is their strength in fighting then I propose a change in stealth.

Stealth works while out of combat. Once in combat, effects resulting to stealth becomes “Able to dodge without consuming endurance” “Successful hits deal only glancing damage” for the said duration of time. Effect ends after an attack.

It remains loyal to the class description. Bad players are still punished. Good players still avoid damage and can still move around. It remains skill based. Bad opposing players still waste skills if it was dodged.

Think if it as to something similar to Warrior stance. Counterplay is to time the attack after the dodge or wait out the effect.

What do you think?

Source: Thief – Guild Wars Wiki
Thieves are expert in the shadow arts. They utilize stealth and shadowsteps to surprise and to get close to their target. They’re deadly in one-on-one combat using their agility, acrobatic fighting style, and the ability to steal to overcome their enemies. They have an affinity for setting traps and using venom. As an adventurer profession, thieves wear medium armor.

u ye no, i dont want permadodgin thieves getting stealth in combat just to fill their endurance by the minor trait

ShakeyStorm.7180:

Stealth to engage I understand and is said so in the class description. But stealth to escape is not. If it is agility and acrobatic fighting style is their strength in fighting then I propose a change in stealth.

Stealth works while out of combat. Once in combat, effects resulting to stealth becomes “Able to dodge without consuming endurance” for the said duration of time. Effect ends after an attack.

It remains loyal to the class description. Bad players are still punished. Good players still avoid damage and can still move around. It remains skill based. Bad opposing players still waste skills if it was dodged.

Think if it as to something similar to Warrior stance. Counterplay is to time the attack after the dodge or wait out the effect.

What do you think?

Source: Thief – Guild Wars Wiki
Thieves are expert in the shadow arts. They utilize stealth and shadowsteps to surprise and to get close to their target. They’re deadly in one-on-one combat using their agility, acrobatic fighting style, and the ability to steal to overcome their enemies. They have an affinity for setting traps and using venom. As an adventurer profession, thieves wear medium armor.

PvP view: MMM how am I going to land my backstab (or sneak attack) if my opponent can see me everytime? They will dodge it out and I will take major damage since I’m using Zerker (or Carrion) gear when I’m not in that stance.

Gw2 view: How can they disengage if they can be seen do they dodge farter in that stance or can they teleport or they use weapon set for that and stealth become useless?

Personal view: Thief decide to be stealthy and/or acrobats if they want. Just because you like the acrobat part more doesn’t mean everyone does if you are trying to cough…cough…“balance stealth” that is the wrong way to go. It really isn’t that strong it just messes with your mind not your gameplay which is affected by you.

(Looking around to locate hidden turrets and distant paper rangers)

ShakeyStorm.7180:

Stealth to engage I understand and is said so in the class description. But stealth to escape is not. If it is agility and acrobatic fighting style is their strength in fighting then I propose a change in stealth.

Stealth works while out of combat. Once in combat, effects resulting to stealth becomes “Able to dodge without consuming endurance” for the said duration of time. Effect ends after an attack.

It remains loyal to the class description. Bad players are still punished. Good players still avoid damage and can still move around. It remains skill based. Bad opposing players still waste skills if it was dodged.

Think if it as to something similar to Warrior stance. Counterplay is to time the attack after the dodge or wait out the effect.

What do you think?

So with the ability to dodge without consuming endurance for the whole duration that would normally be stealth? (4 seconds on normal stealth when traited)

I can imagine the Power of Inertia + Uncatchable fun thieves could have with that.
(For references)
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Power_of_Inertia
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Uncatchable

ShakeyStorm.7180:

Stealth to engage I understand and is said so in the class description. But stealth to escape is not. If it is agility and acrobatic fighting style is their strength in fighting then I propose a change in stealth.

Stealth works while out of combat. Once in combat, effects resulting to stealth becomes “Able to dodge without consuming endurance” for the said duration of time. Effect ends after an attack.

It remains loyal to the class description. Bad players are still punished. Good players still avoid damage and can still move around. It remains skill based. Bad opposing players still waste skills if it was dodged.

Think if it as to something similar to Warrior stance. Counterplay is to time the attack after the dodge or wait out the effect.

What do you think?

Source: Thief – Guild Wars Wiki
Thieves are expert in the shadow arts. They utilize stealth and shadowsteps to surprise and to get close to their target. They’re deadly in one-on-one combat using their agility, acrobatic fighting style, and the ability to steal to overcome their enemies. They have an affinity for setting traps and using venom. As an adventurer profession, thieves wear medium armor.

Wait..wait…wait….you have it all wrong…. it should be [thief]evade + tele > stealth + w/e

So, you would also scrap the entire Shadow Arts line as well then, because pretty much all of it operates around using Stealth while in combat. Both types of regeneration, condition removal, blind, initiative gain, all of it now useless.

no, thank you. If you want to scrap SA just suggest so without putting a veil in front of it.

Perma dodging instead of stealth? Maybe I didn’t read it good enough, or this would make thief invincible while in “stealth”…

It’s not just scrapping the entire SA trait line. Your suggestion will also remove stealth attacks from being used in combat.

well i play all sort of classes (depends on my mood) . anyways in my opinion i just think that the ‘’stealth time’’ of the thieves are just way too long . when i fight a thief most of the time its just stealth here , stealth there and keep doing that till i am dead . so most of the time i just walk away or i dont even fight back cuz i dont see the fun of it . in my opinion every class should have the same chances to win the fight , no matter what build . but ye thats me .

I understand that losing stealth will affect SA and stealth attacks. But if they are applicable while in dodge stance exactly the same as with stealth then it would not make a difference.

It came to light that some traits are triggered by dodge. Instead of dodge without using endurance, how about “successful hits are reduced to glancing damage”? Is this more fair?

This is a pretty poor idea, haha. It would entirely break all the traits that interact with dodging, and just generally break every stealth trait/ability.

Who wants to play against a thief who pops ‘shadow refuge’ in combat and proceeds to dodge roll 20 times back and forth, and end the effect with all their endurance, initiative and cooldowns to dodge another 20 times?

ShakeyStorm.7180:

I understand that losing stealth will affect SA and stealth attacks. But if they are applicable while in dodge stance exactly the same as with stealth then it would not make a difference.

It came to light that some traits are triggered by dodge. Instead of dodge without using endurance, how about “successful hits are reduced to glancing damage”? Is this more fair?

Ok, sweet. So now when I face a ‘shadow arts’ thief on my condi class, he uses all of his stealth abilities and makes it so I can only achieve glancing hits. Whelp, time to wreck him in 2.5 seconds with condi-burst.

The whole point of stealth is to break target and use those few seconds to plan. You can create some distance, you can use a stealth attack, you can try to stay in it and recover. Letting us “evade” without the use of endurance simply takes away half of those uses especially considering the number of unblock able effects that evade doesn’t work against.

NinjaEd.3946:

especially considering the number of unblock able effects that evade doesn’t work against.

In my experience, the game’s dodge mechanic successfully evades nearly everything. The only exceptions I can think of are:

Some PvE mechanics
Guardian GS’s pull after it lands on you. However, if you dodge when you are pulled, you get knocked down without actually being pulled in.

What else is there? An ability being unblockable means that blocks can’t block it. It doesn’t mean dodges can’t evade it.

Cogbyrn.7283:

NinjaEd.3946:

especially considering the number of unblock able effects that evade doesn’t work against.

In my experience, the game’s dodge mechanic successfully evades nearly everything. The only exceptions I can think of are:

Some PvE mechanics
Guardian GS’s pull after it lands on you. However, if you dodge when you are pulled, you get knocked down without actually being pulled in.

What else is there? An ability being unblockable means that blocks can’t block it. It doesn’t mean dodges can’t evade it.

Any warding like line of warding, ring of warding, unsteady ground, spectral wall, static field, pretty sure tripwire and needle trap, etc.

Raiyo.1584:

well i play all sort of classes (depends on my mood) . anyways in my opinion i just think that the ‘’stealth time’’ of the thieves are just way too long . when i fight a thief most of the time its just stealth here , stealth there and keep doing that till i am dead . so most of the time i just walk away or i dont even fight back cuz i dont see the fun of it . in my opinion every class should have the same chances to win the fight , no matter what build . but ye thats me .

You are seriously complaining about the wrong mechanic. Thieves in stealth do no damage at all, evading thieves can do damage just a few secs before the end of the evade.