Guild Wars 2

The distinction has already been made, there’s more than just “best mobility”, there’s also best landspeed. Warriors are the undisputed kings of GW2 landspeed. The question needs to be asked, has Landspeed been considered for balance?

This gameplay is outside the pale and warrior exclusive. It needs to be brought back in line with the rest of the game.

It has bothered me for a long time that I spend traits or utilities for mobility just to see some other profession create a gap while running away by using skills designed for gap closing.

I am okay with the skills that require ground targeting of some kind. But skills like rush should require a target that is in range to function.

Here I am on say, an engineer. I have to spend either 20 points for power shoes or 10 for speedy kits, and incorporate a kit for my build, and use rocket boots as a utility slot that does a 900 launch every 20s, Just to see a warrior get 1200 movement skill on the same cool down. I am not trying to single out warriors either, this skill just jumped in my head first. Several professions have weapon skills that are designed as gap closers that give them incredible mobility where they should not.

this is working as intended.
warriors are meant to be fast.
what is the problem?

do you remember that warriors have no direct access to:
- stealth
- illusions
- death shroud
- pets
- minions
- protection, aegis

warriors are balanced and not overpowered, it has been more than a year since launch, please accept that already.

coglin.1867:

It has bothered me for a long time that I spend traits or utilities for mobility just to see some other profession create a gap while running away by using skills designed for gap closing.

I am okay with the skills that require ground targeting of some kind. But skills like rush should require a target that is in range to function.

Here I am on say, an engineer. I have to spend either 20 points for power shoes or 10 for speedy kits, and incorporate a kit for my build, and use rocket boots as a utility slot that does a 900 launch every 20s, Just to see a warrior get 1200 movement skill on the same cool down. I am not trying to single out warriors either, this skill just jumped in my head first. Several professions have weapon skills that are designed as gap closers that give them incredible mobility where they should not.

What I dont understand is why they haven’t made the skills- A: target only, and B: greater CD if used and dont land i.e. ride the lightning. I mean, the reason RTL was changed was this very, exact same gameplay issue. The very same. Only now that its warriors its ok?

Well warrior is a model class.
Definition of non-model classes is: a weaker in every aspect, weird and inefficient implementation of not more that 2 of the warriors distinct qualities with reduced visuals and uncertain future.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

this is working as intended.
warriors are meant to be fast.
what is the problem?

do you remember that warriors have no direct access to:
- stealth
- illusions
- death shroud
- pets
- minions
- protection, aegis

warriors are balanced and not overpowered, it has been more than a year since launch, please accept that already.

DeathShroud? I would take Damage Immunity over DeathShroud every day of the week. Without traits deathShroud is nothing more than a meat shield that gets worse the more people that are attacking. Damage immunity how ever gets BETTER the more people that are attacking them.

Minions – you mean those easily killed brainless creatures that attack anything and everything no matter what, just like pets Minions are used more as meat shields than anything else.

Stealth – Why have stealth when you have Healing Signet, Adrenal Healing, Greatsword, Condition Immunity, Damage Immunity and Dogged March…

Why have Protection or Aegis when you have Healing Signet, Adrenal Healing, Condition Immunity, Damage Immunity, Shield, Dogged March, High health and high toughness and Armor as standard.

Why have Illusions when you can just face tank everything?

Warriors are far from balanced.

coglin.1867:

It has bothered me for a long time that I spend traits or utilities for mobility just to see some other profession create a gap while running away by using skills designed for gap closing.

To be fair engineers are probably the second least mobile class in the game – prior to the change to rocket boots the only real movement skill available was acid bomb (and jump shot, lol) and it’s rarely useful as a mobility skill.

Necros have it a bit worse – flesh wurm has a longer range than rocket boots but an even longer cooldown…

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

this is working as intended.
warriors are meant to be fast.
what is the problem?

do you remember that warriors have no direct access to:
- stealth
- illusions
- death shroud
- pets
- minions
- protection, aegis

warriors are balanced and not overpowered, it has been more than a year since launch, please accept that already.

They got
- high base stats
- best CC
- very good passive heal
- good utility skills
- immunities
- good uptime on stability
- best mobility
- can use almost every weapon
- indestructible pets with high uptime benefits
- very low skill ceiling, low risk high reward class

Balanced, yeah … Warrior is miles away from balance. Sadly, it can be said with other classes too.

edit: I forgot Cleansing ire. Thats just an insanely good condi cleanse.

ps: good trollbait, keep it up

icewyrm.5038:

coglin.1867:

It has bothered me for a long time that I spend traits or utilities for mobility just to see some other profession create a gap while running away by using skills designed for gap closing.

To be fair engineers are probably the second least mobile class in the game – prior to the change to rocket boots the only real movement skill available was acid bomb (and jump shot, lol) and it’s rarely useful as a mobility skill.

Necros have it a bit worse – flesh wurm has a longer range than rocket boots but an even longer cooldown…

Right, and I agree. But that wasn’t really my point regardless of the profession, weapon skill gap closers should not be used for world travel and escaping movement, regardless of the profession or what profession your escaping. In my eyes, requiring a simple target in range is the perfect solution.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

this is working as intended.
warriors are meant to be fast.
what is the problem?

Oh exploitable.

this is working as intended.
X class is meant to be Y.
what is the problem?

Now to make our own.

this is working as intended.
thieves is meant to be stealthy.
what is the problem?

Join the fun people!

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

this is working as intended.
warriors are meant to be fast.
what is the problem?

do you remember that warriors have no direct access to:
- stealth
- illusions
- death shroud
- pets
- minions
- protection, aegis

warriors are balanced and not overpowered, it has been more than a year since launch, please accept that already.

Invulnerability > all of those.

Surely it should be obvious that the class with the highest base armour and highest base HP should not also have the highest landspeed.

Compare this to Ele for example: lowest base armour, lowest base HP, 3rd worst landspeed, nerfed all the way down from best. Hardly equitable.

ps: I play a warrior and even I think the landspeed advantage is silly.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

this is working as intended.
warriors are meant to be fast.
what is the problem?

do you remember that warriors have no direct access to:
- stealth
- illusions
- death shroud
- pets
- minions
- protection, aegis

warriors are balanced and not overpowered, it has been more than a year since launch, please accept that already.

So you conveniently forgot that Warriors have:
> Best base stats in the game
> Best passive heal in the game
> High armor (heavy class)

warriors on spirit watch make me want to uninstall tbh

they are only class that can grab orb, go invul and zoom across the map with it and nothing you can do about it

icewyrm.5038:

coglin.1867:

It has bothered me for a long time that I spend traits or utilities for mobility just to see some other profession create a gap while running away by using skills designed for gap closing.

To be fair engineers are probably the second least mobile class in the game – prior to the change to rocket boots the only real movement skill available was acid bomb (and jump shot, lol) and it’s rarely useful as a mobility skill.

Necros have it a bit worse – flesh wurm has a longer range than rocket boots but an even longer cooldown…

I would argue that guardian are more unmobile than engineers (without an opponent). Normally you have perma swiftness on an engie with minimal trait investment.

Also, warriors may have no minions…but they have indestructible banners.
Used everywhere in pve, unlike the other classes’ destructible counterparts. And with far higher uptime compared to guardians’ spirit weapons.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

warriors are meant to be fast.

There is a difference between fast and completely invalidating the use of snares/swiftness.

Which profession has less mobility is completely irrelevant. What is relevant, is professions using skills that devs have stated as gap closers, being used for general movement and mobility, when they should not be able to be used in such a manner. The example of certain warrior skills are not the only ones, nor are they the only profession that has skills that should not be able to be used in this manner. Warrior are simply the most prevalent case given all of the other aspects of the profession.

Leap of faith has a shorter range, but also a lower cooldown than rocket boots. Merciful intervention and judges intervention are arguably better mobility skills than acid bomb, balancing up different situations where you need them.

Engies do have easier access to swiftness via traiting provided they are running at least one kit, but this discussion is about movement skills rather than swiftness or 25% traits, signets or runes.

Having said that, swiftness access for guards was a lot better before the SOS change.

icewyrm.5038:

Leap of faith has a shorter range, but also a lower cooldown than rocket boots. Merciful intervention and judges intervention are arguably better mobility skills than acid bomb, balancing up different situations where you need them.

Engies do have easier access to swiftness via traiting provided they are running at least one kit, but this discussion is about movement skills rather than swiftness or 25% traits, signets or runes.

Having said that, swiftness access for guards was a lot better before the SOS change.

Well if you look at it over time than you may be right. But on my engie i can run away more easily than on my guardian (without using stealth on my engie). And for running away the teleportation skill dont help a guardian.

is this the complain about warriors month?

Kargath.6598:

is this the complain about warriors month?

wars been too strong for past half year at least~

Ross Biddle.2367:

The distinction has already been made, there’s more than just “best mobility”, there’s also best landspeed. Warriors are the undisputed kings of [strike]GW2[/strike] landspeed. The question needs to be asked, has Landspeed been considered for balance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh8wtucvZJs

This gameplay is outside the pale and warrior exclusive. It needs to be brought back in line with the rest of the game.

Horrible Mesmer in the video

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

this is working as intended.
warriors are meant to be fast.
what is the problem?

do you remember that warriors have no direct access to:
- stealth
- illusions
- death shroud
- pets
- minions
- protection, aegis

warriors are balanced and not overpowered, it has been more than a year since launch, please accept that already.

Yep. They’re balanced. They just have:

The highest health class (tied with Necromancers).
The highest armor class (tied with Guardians).
The best standard damage (Guardians supposedly have the best highly-situational damage).
The best cc.
The best mobility.
And….
The best sustain healing.

So balanced.
Much design.
Wow.

Cynz.9437:

Kargath.6598:

is this the complain about warriors month?

wars been too strong for past half year at least~

No it hasnt i dont know what you people are smoking, warrior is too powerful omg plox nerf, how many of you actually spvp and got a higher rank than 20 please, how many of you run anything other than cof path 1? What about melee rangers out there that are spirit spec in pvp and are unkillable.

here is a video for those who say rangers suck in pve

There are zerker minion mancers out there that have 2 fears deathshroud, pets that heal on attack. golem rush with 1 minute cooldown with EVERY BUFF IN THE GAME!

good thief will use blinds and OVERPOWERED STEALTH against any warrior, being able to DISENGAGE AT WILL > EVERY OTHER CLASS IN THE GAME!

D/D ele’s will be even stronger after this coming tuesday.

There is a retaliation guardian build that destroys anyone that touches them while sustaining healing ohh and its a bunker build at the same time btw

Why is are there Q.Q posts about warriors all the time. ARENA NET PLEASE NERF THOSE CLASSES!

Kargath.6598:

Cynz.9437:

Kargath.6598:

is this the complain about warriors month?

wars been too strong for past half year at least~

No it hasnt i dont know what you people are smoking, warrior is too powerful omg plox nerf, how many of you actually spvp and got a higher rank than 20 please, how many of you run anything other than cof path 1? What about melee rangers out there that are spirit spec in pvp and are unkillable.

here is a video for those who say rangers suck in pve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWQ-39_C8LI

There are zerker minion mancers out there that have 2 fears deathshroud, pets that heal on attack. golem rush with 1 minute cooldown with EVERY BUFF IN THE GAME!

good thief will use blinds and OVERPOWERED STEALTH against any warrior, being able to DISENGAGE AT WILL > EVERY OTHER CLASS IN THE GAME!

D/D ele’s will be even stronger after this coming tuesday.

There is a retaliation guardian build that destroys anyone that touches them while sustaining healing ohh and its a bunker build at the same time btw

Why is are there Q.Q posts about warriors all the time. ARENA NET PLEASE NERF THOSE CLASSES!

Because those builds/classes are not as strong as warrior?

Mightymealworm.8409:

Kargath.6598:

Cynz.9437:

Kargath.6598:

is this the complain about warriors month?

wars been too strong for past half year at least~

No it hasnt i dont know what you people are smoking, warrior is too powerful omg plox nerf, how many of you actually spvp and got a higher rank than 20 please, how many of you run anything other than cof path 1? What about melee rangers out there that are spirit spec in pvp and are unkillable.

here is a video for those who say rangers suck in pve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWQ-39_C8LI

There are zerker minion mancers out there that have 2 fears deathshroud, pets that heal on attack. golem rush with 1 minute cooldown with EVERY BUFF IN THE GAME!

good thief will use blinds and OVERPOWERED STEALTH against any warrior, being able to DISENGAGE AT WILL > EVERY OTHER CLASS IN THE GAME!

D/D ele’s will be even stronger after this coming tuesday.

There is a retaliation guardian build that destroys anyone that touches them while sustaining healing ohh and its a bunker build at the same time btw

Why is are there Q.Q posts about warriors all the time. ARENA NET PLEASE NERF THOSE CLASSES!

Because those builds/classes are not as strong as warrior?

incorrect answer, because warrior haters do not wish to put in more effort to put down warriors.
because warriors have been free kills for them for such a long time, and when warriors can finally put up a fair fight, them warrior haters are not happy and so they cry.

that, is the fact.
still happening in the forums.

JETWING.2759:

Ross Biddle.2367:

The distinction has already been made, there’s more than just “best mobility”, there’s also best landspeed. Warriors are the undisputed kings of [strike]GW2[/strike] landspeed. The question needs to be asked, has Landspeed been considered for balance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh8wtucvZJs

This gameplay is outside the pale and warrior exclusive. It needs to be brought back in line with the rest of the game.

Horrible Mesmer in the video

Yeah, the guy has no idea how to chase down a warrior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tffTmVN-zG0

…

Or Mesmer in general
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8td7XyA1JU

…

The problem with warrior is it was supposed to be the easy class, the class with training wheels. You get on it and you can do ok even with just a little experience. The problem is the classes that are harder to play are supposed to surpass the training wheels when you become experienced enough.

so either the rest of us who don’t play warriors still suck or its time to drop the training wheels and make the warrior a real class that actually has a legitimate draw back.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Yeah, the guy has no idea how to chase down a warrior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tffTmVN-zG0
…

Yea a mesmer can catch a war that does thing like run in the wrong direction, walks backwards, simply stops moving for no apparent reason, doesn’t run dogged march, and doesn’t use stability or dodge pulls. No problems here, feel free to move on.

Ross Biddle.2367:

JETWING.2759:

Ross Biddle.2367:

The distinction has already been made, there’s more than just “best mobility”, there’s also best landspeed. Warriors are the undisputed kings of [strike]GW2[/strike] landspeed. The question needs to be asked, has Landspeed been considered for balance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh8wtucvZJs

This gameplay is outside the pale and warrior exclusive. It needs to be brought back in line with the rest of the game.

Horrible Mesmer in the video

Yeah, the guy has no idea how to chase down a warrior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tffTmVN-zG0

…

Or Mesmer in general
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8td7XyA1JU

…

haaaaaaaaaaa…

Did you see that when you use swiftness the thing become easy
The warrior of first video use SL > WA > Rush to maximize mobility, to you to say that all warrior has that mobility, you need assume that all warrior run GS + Sword, what isn’t true

My Mesmer is a shatter, and i gave perma swiftness without focus. About mobility i do not have what QQ

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

this is working as intended.
warriors are meant to be fast.
what is the problem?

do you remember that warriors have no direct access to:
- stealth
- illusions
- death shroud
- pets
- minions
- protection, aegis

warriors are balanced and not overpowered, it has been more than a year since launch, please accept that already.

DeathShroud? I would take Damage Immunity over DeathShroud every day of the week. Without traits deathShroud is nothing more than a meat shield that gets worse the more people that are attacking. Damage immunity how ever gets BETTER the more people that are attacking them.

Minions – you mean those easily killed brainless creatures that attack anything and everything no matter what, just like pets Minions are used more as meat shields than anything else.

Stealth – Why have stealth when you have Healing Signet, Adrenal Healing, Greatsword, Condition Immunity, Damage Immunity and Dogged March…

Why have Protection or Aegis when you have Healing Signet, Adrenal Healing, Condition Immunity, Damage Immunity, Shield, Dogged March, High health and high toughness and Armor as standard.

Why have Illusions when you can just face tank everything?

Warriors are far from balanced.

yup agree with this. i would give mydeatshroud and all my clones to u if i’d get my mes to be viable in wvw and my necro some defensive skills

JETWING.2759:

Ross Biddle.2367:

JETWING.2759:

Ross Biddle.2367:

The distinction has already been made, there’s more than just “best mobility”, there’s also best landspeed. Warriors are the undisputed kings of [strike]GW2[/strike] landspeed. The question needs to be asked, has Landspeed been considered for balance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh8wtucvZJs

This gameplay is outside the pale and warrior exclusive. It needs to be brought back in line with the rest of the game.

Horrible Mesmer in the video

Yeah, the guy has no idea how to chase down a warrior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tffTmVN-zG0

…

Or Mesmer in general
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8td7XyA1JU

…

haaaaaaaaaaa…

Did you see that when you use swiftness the thing become easy
The warrior of first video use SL > WA > Rush to maximize mobility, to you to say that all warrior has that mobility, you need assume that all warrior run GS + Sword, what isn’t true

My Mesmer is a shatter, and i gave perma swiftness without focus. About mobility i do not have what QQ

Actually if you watch closely you need:
-traited manipulations, both range and CD.
-So a 1200 range blink to close gaps on a 24s cd
-Arcane thievery to steal swiftness off the warrior
-Focus to land cripple, and to pull for some cc, also as a source of swiftness for the mesmer
-High Boon duration from chaos and/or runes to maintain swiftness
-Sword 3 for imob, 80% condi duration to get a measly 3s
-Combo that with 5s burning from prestigue to add to the overall DPS, which, depending on how the warrior is built might not be enough regardless.

All this assumes that when the Warrior decides to flee, all your skills are off CD so you can fire all the combo’s it takes to do it. There’s zero room for error, and while the skill is out there, a warrior with a GS to go with his sword makes the whole enterprise ridiculous. Pretty much you have to be tweaked to counter, and even then you have to get lucky, and the warrior unlucky.

Also, if you note the vid in the original post, the warrior isnt even using swiftness at the time. Had he been, he’d of created even more distance. Of course not all warriors run full mobility, but when they do their Landspeed is broken.

Of course, you should also know that a warrior doesn’t need to run full mobility. He can sustain in a fight indefinitely until his opponent makes a mistake all the same, or against those who’re not utterly tricked out to counter, leave the fight with minimal mobility.

Ross Biddle.2367:

The distinction has already been made, there’s more than just “best mobility”, there’s also best landspeed. Warriors are the undisputed kings of [strike]GW2[/strike] landspeed. The question needs to be asked, has Landspeed been considered for balance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh8wtucvZJs

This gameplay is outside the pale and warrior exclusive. It needs to be brought back in line with the rest of the game.

Oh, I was waiting when someone finally will copypaste this funny topic from WvW forums.
Hint: mobility PVT build is absolutely harmless, he can only run and tickle someone with GS before run away again. Even trololol CnD permastealth thief build is more dangerous.

The landspeed alone wouldn’t be too bad, but the issue is compounded when healing signet is taken, since they can just kite away, heal up and come right back for another go.

JETWING.2759:

Did you see that when you use swiftness the thing become easy
The warrior of first video use SL > WA > Rush to maximize mobility, to you to say that all warrior has that mobility, you need assume that all warrior run GS + Sword, what isn’t true

The warrior is not the problem, any weapon skill on any profession that is a gap closer, being used for mobility and escapes, IS the problem.

Looks like coglin spelled it out pretty well.

I love the movement skills on my warrior.

Ross Biddle.2367:

JETWING.2759:

Ross Biddle.2367:

The distinction has already been made, there’s more than just “best mobility”, there’s also best landspeed. Warriors are the undisputed kings of [strike]GW2[/strike] landspeed. The question needs to be asked, has Landspeed been considered for balance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh8wtucvZJs

This gameplay is outside the pale and warrior exclusive. It needs to be brought back in line with the rest of the game.

Horrible Mesmer in the video

Yeah, the guy has no idea how to chase down a warrior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tffTmVN-zG0

…

Or Mesmer in general
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8td7XyA1JU

…

And this is an example of a terrible Warrior. No Mesmer, traited or not, is going to catch a good Warrior. Between the high passive healing, stability access, condi cleanse, and mobility offered by the greatsword and other weapons, the Mesmer cannot compete.

I have a great idea…

Why don t simply reduce the range and double the cooldown on miss?
Can be done with initiative cost also…should cost double and give half back on hit ….

I m sure it would work perfectly leaving untouched the gap closing ability…

LordByron.8369:

I have a great idea…

Why don t simply reduce the range and double the cooldown on miss?
Can be done with initiative cost also…should cost double and give half back on hit ….

I m sure it would work perfectly leaving untouched the gap closing ability…

Yeah, it even has a precedent!
+1 for consistency justice!

Just leveled a warrior to 80 and made it my main, it makes me feel boss in wvw.

LordByron.8369:

I have a great idea…

Why don t simply reduce the range and double the cooldown on miss?
Can be done with initiative cost also…should cost double and give half back on hit ….

I m sure it would work perfectly leaving untouched the gap closing ability…

I agree with this. Elementalists had their gap closer ride the lightning nerfed severely ; warrior has better mobility and more sustain than an ele…either revert rtl’s harsh harsh cooldown nerf or give warrior gap closers a similar effect (double cd on miss)

Kargath.6598:

Cynz.9437:

Kargath.6598:

is this the complain about warriors month?

wars been too strong for past half year at least~

No it hasnt i dont know what you people are smoking, warrior is too powerful omg plox nerf, how many of you actually spvp and got a higher rank than 20 please, how many of you run anything other than cof path 1? What about melee rangers out there that are spirit spec in pvp and are unkillable.

here is a video for those who say rangers suck in pve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWQ-39_C8LI

There are zerker minion mancers out there that have 2 fears deathshroud, pets that heal on attack. golem rush with 1 minute cooldown with EVERY BUFF IN THE GAME!

good thief will use blinds and OVERPOWERED STEALTH against any warrior, being able to DISENGAGE AT WILL > EVERY OTHER CLASS IN THE GAME!

D/D ele’s will be even stronger after this coming tuesday.

There is a retaliation guardian build that destroys anyone that touches them while sustaining healing ohh and its a bunker build at the same time btw

Why is are there Q.Q posts about warriors all the time. ARENA NET PLEASE NERF THOSE CLASSES!

just to prove your assumtions wrong
- i am rank 34 currently, been around rank 300 in team pvp and 400 in soloq
- i run fractals lv 49 every day

MM necro has nothing to do with wars being too good atm and as side note, necros don’t have warrior moblity

blinds don’t work so well if you don’t sit inBP besides you got immunities; how is stealth overpowered? please elaborate

it is actually a myth that thieves can disengage at will, it is not as simple as people picture and doesn’t work 100% besides running away in pvp usually proves as a los of points

d/d ele is different story, still very squishy, still dying to condis, still has nothing to do with warriors being too strong and having everything

bunker build is not destroying anyone… they are only good at holding point….

people QQ about warriors, because right now warriors have too much of everything… there is no point in playing any other classes when you have all-in-one package with almost no weakness

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

warriors are balanced and not overpowered, it has been more than a year since launch, please accept that already.

In sPvP maybe. Minor game mode, shouldn’t impact the greater game balance.

LordByron.8369:

I have a great idea…

Why don t simply reduce the range and double the cooldown on miss?
Can be done with initiative cost also…should cost double and give half back on hit ….

I m sure it would work perfectly leaving untouched the gap closing ability…

You mean “just double cooldown”? Because all warrior gap closers are non-teleports with literally non-existent chance to hit against any opponent who able to press movement button.

Duke Blackrose.4981:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

this is working as intended.
warriors are meant to be fast.
what is the problem?

do you remember that warriors have no direct access to:
- stealth
- illusions
- death shroud
- pets
- minions
- protection, aegis

warriors are balanced and not overpowered, it has been more than a year since launch, please accept that already.

Yep. They’re balanced. They just have:

The highest health class (tied with Necromancers).
The highest armor class (tied with Guardians).
The best standard damage (Guardians supposedly have the best highly-situational damage).
The best cc.
The best mobility.
And….
The best sustain healing.

So balanced.
Much design.
Wow.

Yeah i love GS for its endless stuns/cc and if i cant win i just rush away..

Ross Biddle.2367:

JETWING.2759:

Ross Biddle.2367:

JETWING.2759:

Ross Biddle.2367:

The distinction has already been made, there’s more than just “best mobility”, there’s also best landspeed. Warriors are the undisputed kings of [strike]GW2[/strike] landspeed. The question needs to be asked, has Landspeed been considered for balance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh8wtucvZJs

This gameplay is outside the pale and warrior exclusive. It needs to be brought back in line with the rest of the game.

Horrible Mesmer in the video

Yeah, the guy has no idea how to chase down a warrior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tffTmVN-zG0

…

Or Mesmer in general
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8td7XyA1JU

…

haaaaaaaaaaa…

Did you see that when you use swiftness the thing become easy
The warrior of first video use SL > WA > Rush to maximize mobility, to you to say that all warrior has that mobility, you need assume that all warrior run GS + Sword, what isn’t true

My Mesmer is a shatter, and i gave perma swiftness without focus. About mobility i do not have what QQ

Actually if you watch closely you need:
-traited manipulations, both range and CD.
-So a 1200 range blink to close gaps on a 24s cd
-Arcane thievery to steal swiftness off the warrior
-Focus to land cripple, and to pull for some cc, also as a source of swiftness for the mesmer
-High Boon duration from chaos and/or runes to maintain swiftness
-Sword 3 for imob, 80% condi duration to get a measly 3s
-Combo that with 5s burning from prestigue to add to the overall DPS, which, depending on how the warrior is built might not be enough regardless.

All this assumes that when the Warrior decides to flee, all your skills are off CD so you can fire all the combo’s it takes to do it. There’s zero room for error, and while the skill is out there, a warrior with a GS to go with his sword makes the whole enterprise ridiculous. Pretty much you have to be tweaked to counter, and even then you have to get lucky, and the warrior unlucky.

Also, if you note the vid in the original post, the warrior isnt even using swiftness at the time. Had he been, he’d of created even more distance. Of course not all warriors run full mobility, but when they do their Landspeed is broken.

Of course, you should also know that a warrior doesn’t need to run full mobility. He can sustain in a fight indefinitely until his opponent makes a mistake all the same, or against those who’re not utterly tricked out to counter, leave the fight with minimal mobility.

You don’t seem to have a warrior do you?
How can warrior fight against his opponent with sword/XX + GS?
If you have a trouble to deal with GS warrior, that’s your problem
If you have a trouble to deal with sword warrior, that’s your problem
HB and sword burst skill are channeling skills which are very hard to land without CC
GS is not an ideal weapon in wvw unless you take a mace on your main hand
sword/XX (maybe warhorn) + GS is completely for mobility set

p.s.: I was watching the video again to make sure about this. Why did you just let the warrior escape? I would admit the truth if the warrior could escape with cripple or CC

Rednik.3809:

LordByron.8369:

I have a great idea…

Why don t simply reduce the range and double the cooldown on miss?
Can be done with initiative cost also…should cost double and give half back on hit ….

I m sure it would work perfectly leaving untouched the gap closing ability…

You mean “just double cooldown”? Because all warrior gap closers are non-teleports with literally non-existent chance to hit against any opponent who able to press movement button.

So was Ride the Lightning. It was slow enough to be easily observable and loud and obvious enough that only a foe with no brain cells or no dodges/blocks available (or who was cc’d) could be hit by it. A lot of the time, it would miss for no readily observable reason (usually the result nigh-invisible flaws in the terrain). That didn’t stop Arenanet from giving it this nerf.

Why, then, should a profession with higher health, sustain, armor, and damage than the Ele be exempted from a similar change made on similar grounds?

Duke Blackrose.4981:

Rednik.3809:

LordByron.8369:

I have a great idea…

Why don t simply reduce the range and double the cooldown on miss?
Can be done with initiative cost also…should cost double and give half back on hit ….

I m sure it would work perfectly leaving untouched the gap closing ability…

You mean “just double cooldown”? Because all warrior gap closers are non-teleports with literally non-existent chance to hit against any opponent who able to press movement button.

So was Ride the Lightning. It was slow enough to be easily observable and loud and obvious enough that only a foe with no brain cells or no dodges/blocks available (or who was cc’d) could be hit by it. A lot of the time, it would miss for no readily observable reason (usually the result nigh-invisible flaws in the terrain). That didn’t stop Arenanet from giving it this nerf.

Why, then, should a profession with higher health, sustain, armor, and damage than the Ele be exempted from a similar change made on similar grounds?

I dont mind to give them the old rtl back..
But the idea to make gapclosing skills only work on target is bad.. They are used for attacking or run away.

Also i rather have a leap rush on 900 range that atleast hit.. but thats my opinion

Ross Biddle.2367:

JETWING.2759:

Ross Biddle.2367:

The distinction has already been made, there’s more than just “best mobility”, there’s also best landspeed. Warriors are the undisputed kings of [strike]GW2[/strike] landspeed. The question needs to be asked, has Landspeed been considered for balance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh8wtucvZJs

This gameplay is outside the pale and warrior exclusive. It needs to be brought back in line with the rest of the game.

Horrible Mesmer in the video

Yeah, the guy has no idea how to chase down a warrior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tffTmVN-zG0

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Or Mesmer in general
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8td7XyA1JU

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That warrior is not a mobile warrior, he basically ignored all the mobility that the warrior offers. The fact that it even took the mesmer that long to actually kill him is just a testament to how unbalanced things really are.

junho.7825:

You don’t seem to have a warrior do you?
How can warrior fight against his opponent with sword/XX + GS?
If you have a trouble to deal with GS warrior, that’s your problem
If you have a trouble to deal with sword warrior, that’s your problem
HB and sword burst skill are channeling skills which are very hard to land without CC
GS is not an ideal weapon in wvw unless you take a mace on your main hand
sword/XX (maybe warhorn) + GS is completely for mobility set

p.s.: I was watching the video again to make sure about this. Why did you just let the warrior escape? I would admit the truth if the warrior could escape with cripple or CC

GS works absolutely fine in WvW. It gives you mobility so you can close gaps quickly and allows you to escape if things take a turn for the worse. Whirlwind is a great AOE damage attack for multiple enemies, minions, or shatter mesmer(bad for condition mesmer). 100b is hard to land and many make the mistake of trying to use it when they shouldn’t but if an enemy goes down it is an amazing skill as it not only just completely decimates the downed person, if anyone tries to rez them while you’re doing it they are pretty much downed as well. It is also great for taking camps You act like all the other GS attacks aren’t doing 2k+ per attack either.

I run GS/hammer or GS/Bow(zerg) on my warrior and do absolutely fine. It is just too good at damage and mobility to pass up for roaming. Top it off with 25% run speed for using a melee weapon and you cruise around the maps.