Guild Wars 2

These utility skills have a 1.5 second cast time, making them next to impossible to get off in today’s cheese meta.

They need to have their cast time cut down drastically and their hp increased.

Also, you need to make Mesmers viable in your cheese meta.

Thanks.

mesmer is one of the best 1vs1 classes…….

urdriel.8496:

mesmer is one of the best 1vs1 classes…….

and butter goes good on toast. But neither of those things have anything to do with GW2.

You want to 1v1? Go play Street Fighter. Thanks.

Thedenofsin.7340:

urdriel.8496:

mesmer is one of the best 1vs1 classes…….

and butter goes good on toast. But neither of those things have anything to do with GW2.

You want to 1v1? Go play Street Fighter. Thanks.

Phantasm mesmer do a lot of damage in aoe too, you have nice utilities (veil, mass quickness), and is a good roamer, you can “summon” phantasms inside keeps to kill people( oh wait is a bug, dont fix it….).

What is the point of this thread?? make a good class a GOD class?

urdriel.8496:

Thedenofsin.7340:

urdriel.8496:

mesmer is one of the best 1vs1 classes…….

and butter goes good on toast. But neither of those things have anything to do with GW2.

You want to 1v1? Go play Street Fighter. Thanks.

Phantasm mesmer do a lot of damage in aoe too, you have nice utilities (veil, mass quickness), and is a good roamer, you can “summon” phantasms inside keeps to kill people( oh wait is a bug, dont fix it….).

What is the point of this thread?? make a good class a GOD class?

Wow, first time I’ve seen “a lot of damage in aoe” and mesmer in the same sentence. But yeah, mesmers do have some nice utilities but the two in question are almost never used outside of PvE and that probably is due to the cast times.

It should be noted that the cast time for both skills underwater is only 1/2 second, which is less than all other phantasm skills on land. There doesn’t seem to be any reason for this kind of inconsistency, so I think it’d be reasonable to reduce the cast time to 1 second at the very least.

It should be either 0.5 or 0.75 seconds. Also, the current meta has so much AoE that these utilities are not durable enough to be useful. They need to have their hp boosted, especially for the disenchanter.

Thedenofsin.7340:

It should be either 0.5 or 0.75 seconds. Also, the current meta has so much AoE that these utilities are not durable enough to be useful. They need to have their hp boosted, especially for the disenchanter.

So, you want to buff Mesmer phantasms hp to be able to use them in WvW?? but if you buff hp in WvW his hp will be OP in 1vs1 fights or roaming,

Btw dunno if you talk about WvW, 1vs1 or Spvp.

I’m talking about PvP. 1v1 is not a game mode.

Right now iDisenchanter dies in one hit from a hambow hammer. That’s not viable – that’s useless.

Thedenofsin.7340:

That’s not viable – that’s useless.

Im ranger., Welcome to my world.

Btw, people call 1vs1 duels, doesnt have a ladder, but people look for 1vs1 in WvW.

urdriel.8496:

Thedenofsin.7340:

urdriel.8496:

mesmer is one of the best 1vs1 classes…….

and butter goes good on toast. But neither of those things have anything to do with GW2.

You want to 1v1? Go play Street Fighter. Thanks.

Phantasm mesmer do a lot of damage in aoe too, you have nice utilities (veil, mass quickness), and is a good roamer, you can “summon” phantasms inside keeps to kill people( oh wait is a bug, dont fix it….).

What is the point of this thread?? make a good class a GOD class?

not in wvw. u cant summon them inside keep at all! i play mes and this is a false statement. u can attck the gat, but i cant cast it on walls or on enemies behind the gate anymore. that one was nerfed ages ago. the iwarde ins the one that is broken and wont attack the gate and will wander off randomly. most of the phantasms willget obstructed in wvw …like non stop.
u are on staris=obstructed phantasm
on walls=obstructed
there is unbuilt oil=obstructed with berserker
on a bridge=onstructed
enemy o unever errain=obstructed
anamy behind gate=obstructed
enemy around the corner=obstructed

utilities? really! so u want me to be veilbot. do u even know how boring the veil/tw portal stuff is?
u cant deal aoe dmg. u cast 1 phantasm and if u are lucky it hits and doesent insta die in aoe. all u do is either cast a few aa on gs, ther berserker(45% chance to get obstructed and full phantasm cd) then u use gs 2, gs3, gs5 and deal barely any dmg. u cast veil and then tw and then your job is done. u are not there to deal dmg.
u could pretend to be a ganker and go for the casters on a super class mes, but thats it. we got no real aoe. our aoe disappeared with the glamour nerf.

so before even telling me this “but u got utilities”…stuff. go play a veilbot for a week. its not fun and mes is terribad in raids as dmg dealer.

urdriel.8496:

Thedenofsin.7340:

It should be either 0.5 or 0.75 seconds. Also, the current meta has so much AoE that these utilities are not durable enough to be useful. They need to have their hp boosted, especially for the disenchanter.

So, you want to buff Mesmer phantasms hp to be able to use them in WvW?? but if you buff hp in WvW his hp will be OP in 1vs1 fights or roaming,

Btw dunno if you talk about WvW, 1vs1 or Spvp.

well thing is idefender and disenchanter are defensive phantasms. we are not talking about berserker and co. they wouldnt be op like this. ai is our problem in wvw. there is only ai builds left. everything else is up in wvw. i would rather have allthat useless stuff replaced with real aoe and less dueling stuff. we are a light armor class after all and should have non aie aoe stuff.
even with buffed hp to dissenchanter and idefender, they will still melt in seconds in a raid…

selan.8354:

urdriel.8496:

Thedenofsin.7340:

urdriel.8496:

mesmer is one of the best 1vs1 classes…….

and butter goes good on toast. But neither of those things have anything to do with GW2.

You want to 1v1? Go play Street Fighter. Thanks.

Phantasm mesmer do a lot of damage in aoe too, you have nice utilities (veil, mass quickness), and is a good roamer, you can “summon” phantasms inside keeps to kill people( oh wait is a bug, dont fix it….).

What is the point of this thread?? make a good class a GOD class?

not in wvw. u cant summon them inside keep at all! i play mes and this is a false statement. u can attck the gat, but i cant cast it on walls or on enemies behind the gate anymore. that one was nerfed ages ago. the iwarde ins the one that is broken and wont attack the gate and will wander off randomly. most of the phantasms willget obstructed in wvw …like non stop.
u are on staris=obstructed phantasm
on walls=obstructed
there is unbuilt oil=obstructed with berserker
on a bridge=onstructed
enemy o unever errain=obstructed
anamy behind gate=obstructed
enemy around the corner=obstructed

utilities? really! so u want me to be veilbot. do u even know how boring the veil/tw portal stuff is?
u cant deal aoe dmg. u cast 1 phantasm and if u are lucky it hits and doesent insta die in aoe. all u do is either cast a few aa on gs, ther berserker(45% chance to get obstructed and full phantasm cd) then u use gs 2, gs3, gs5 and deal barely any dmg. u cast veil and then tw and then your job is done. u are not there to deal dmg.
u could pretend to be a ganker and go for the casters on a super class mes, but thats it. we got no real aoe. our aoe disappeared with the glamour nerf.

so before even telling me this “but u got utilities”…stuff. go play a veilbot for a week. its not fun and mes is terribad in raids as dmg dealer.

xDDD lol, you are a mesmer and dont know that phantasm can pass by closed doors of keeps to attack people that are inside…….lol………

At least your class have a nice set of group utilities, i play ranger……..

urdriel.8496:

selan.8354:

urdriel.8496:

Thedenofsin.7340:

urdriel.8496:

mesmer is one of the best 1vs1 classes…….

and butter goes good on toast. But neither of those things have anything to do with GW2.

You want to 1v1? Go play Street Fighter. Thanks.

Phantasm mesmer do a lot of damage in aoe too, you have nice utilities (veil, mass quickness), and is a good roamer, you can “summon” phantasms inside keeps to kill people( oh wait is a bug, dont fix it….).

What is the point of this thread?? make a good class a GOD class?

not in wvw. u cant summon them inside keep at all! i play mes and this is a false statement. u can attck the gat, but i cant cast it on walls or on enemies behind the gate anymore. that one was nerfed ages ago. the iwarde ins the one that is broken and wont attack the gate and will wander off randomly. most of the phantasms willget obstructed in wvw …like non stop.
u are on staris=obstructed phantasm
on walls=obstructed
there is unbuilt oil=obstructed with berserker
on a bridge=onstructed
enemy o unever errain=obstructed
anamy behind gate=obstructed
enemy around the corner=obstructed

utilities? really! so u want me to be veilbot. do u even know how boring the veil/tw portal stuff is?
u cant deal aoe dmg. u cast 1 phantasm and if u are lucky it hits and doesent insta die in aoe. all u do is either cast a few aa on gs, ther berserker(45% chance to get obstructed and full phantasm cd) then u use gs 2, gs3, gs5 and deal barely any dmg. u cast veil and then tw and then your job is done. u are not there to deal dmg.
u could pretend to be a ganker and go for the casters on a super class mes, but thats it. we got no real aoe. our aoe disappeared with the glamour nerf.

so before even telling me this “but u got utilities”…stuff. go play a veilbot for a week. its not fun and mes is terribad in raids as dmg dealer.

xDDD lol, you are a mesmer and dont know that phantasm can pass by closed doors of keeps to attack people that are inside…….lol………

At least your class have a nice set of group utilities, i play ranger……..

The only phantasm that attacks behind the gate is iWarden because the ai is broken and constantly changes targets, which he mentioned.

Clownmug.8357:

urdriel.8496:

selan.8354:

urdriel.8496:

Thedenofsin.7340:

urdriel.8496:

mesmer is one of the best 1vs1 classes…….

and butter goes good on toast. But neither of those things have anything to do with GW2.

You want to 1v1? Go play Street Fighter. Thanks.

Phantasm mesmer do a lot of damage in aoe too, you have nice utilities (veil, mass quickness), and is a good roamer, you can “summon” phantasms inside keeps to kill people( oh wait is a bug, dont fix it….).

What is the point of this thread?? make a good class a GOD class?

not in wvw. u cant summon them inside keep at all! i play mes and this is a false statement. u can attck the gat, but i cant cast it on walls or on enemies behind the gate anymore. that one was nerfed ages ago. the iwarde ins the one that is broken and wont attack the gate and will wander off randomly. most of the phantasms willget obstructed in wvw …like non stop.
u are on staris=obstructed phantasm
on walls=obstructed
there is unbuilt oil=obstructed with berserker
on a bridge=onstructed
enemy o unever errain=obstructed
anamy behind gate=obstructed
enemy around the corner=obstructed

utilities? really! so u want me to be veilbot. do u even know how boring the veil/tw portal stuff is?
u cant deal aoe dmg. u cast 1 phantasm and if u are lucky it hits and doesent insta die in aoe. all u do is either cast a few aa on gs, ther berserker(45% chance to get obstructed and full phantasm cd) then u use gs 2, gs3, gs5 and deal barely any dmg. u cast veil and then tw and then your job is done. u are not there to deal dmg.
u could pretend to be a ganker and go for the casters on a super class mes, but thats it. we got no real aoe. our aoe disappeared with the glamour nerf.

so before even telling me this “but u got utilities”…stuff. go play a veilbot for a week. its not fun and mes is terribad in raids as dmg dealer.

xDDD lol, you are a mesmer and dont know that phantasm can pass by closed doors of keeps to attack people that are inside…….lol………

At least your class have a nice set of group utilities, i play ranger……..

The only phantasm that attacks behind the gate is iWarden because the ai is broken and constantly changes targets, which he mentioned.

I was attacked 2 days ago by a berserker phantasm inside keep……

urdriel.8496:

Clownmug.8357:

urdriel.8496:

selan.8354:

urdriel.8496:

Thedenofsin.7340:

urdriel.8496:

mesmer is one of the best 1vs1 classes…….

and butter goes good on toast. But neither of those things have anything to do with GW2.

You want to 1v1? Go play Street Fighter. Thanks.

Phantasm mesmer do a lot of damage in aoe too, you have nice utilities (veil, mass quickness), and is a good roamer, you can “summon” phantasms inside keeps to kill people( oh wait is a bug, dont fix it….).

What is the point of this thread?? make a good class a GOD class?

not in wvw. u cant summon them inside keep at all! i play mes and this is a false statement. u can attck the gat, but i cant cast it on walls or on enemies behind the gate anymore. that one was nerfed ages ago. the iwarde ins the one that is broken and wont attack the gate and will wander off randomly. most of the phantasms willget obstructed in wvw …like non stop.
u are on staris=obstructed phantasm
on walls=obstructed
there is unbuilt oil=obstructed with berserker
on a bridge=onstructed
enemy o unever errain=obstructed
anamy behind gate=obstructed
enemy around the corner=obstructed

utilities? really! so u want me to be veilbot. do u even know how boring the veil/tw portal stuff is?
u cant deal aoe dmg. u cast 1 phantasm and if u are lucky it hits and doesent insta die in aoe. all u do is either cast a few aa on gs, ther berserker(45% chance to get obstructed and full phantasm cd) then u use gs 2, gs3, gs5 and deal barely any dmg. u cast veil and then tw and then your job is done. u are not there to deal dmg.
u could pretend to be a ganker and go for the casters on a super class mes, but thats it. we got no real aoe. our aoe disappeared with the glamour nerf.

so before even telling me this “but u got utilities”…stuff. go play a veilbot for a week. its not fun and mes is terribad in raids as dmg dealer.

xDDD lol, you are a mesmer and dont know that phantasm can pass by closed doors of keeps to attack people that are inside…….lol………

At least your class have a nice set of group utilities, i play ranger……..

The only phantasm that attacks behind the gate is iWarden because the ai is broken and constantly changes targets, which he mentioned.

I was attacked 2 days ago by a berserker phantasm inside keep……

omg u really dont get it. make a mes lvl2, equip gs and see for yourself! enjoy the obstructed obstructed obstructed, out of rangeout of range obstructed messages.
of course if u stand at the gate u will get hit by berserk. berserker only spawns inside keep to attack the inner gate from inside. if u are close to that gat of course it hurts. but i can not select u and cast that phantasm at u if u are on the wall or behind gate. seriously make a mes check it out and u will see the issue

I don’t know what happened to you 2 days ago, but I’ve see dead dolyak bodies “obstruct” phantasm skills so I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work through walls.

Clownmug.8357:

I don’t know what happened to you 2 days ago, but I’ve see dead dolyak bodies “obstruct” phantasm skills so I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work through walls.

^ this. almost everything get obstructed since anet made a hardcore los change to phantasms. i cant even hit unbuilt oil with gs….

I never said trough walls, is trough gates, but it is because sometimes phantasms are casted INSIDE keep when you target the gate.

Well it’s already been stated that it only happens with the iWarden because of the ai issue, all other phantasms should stay on the gate by design.

Yeah, Phantasms or Clones as a whole are a bit iffy. I was thinking that since they affect a single target (they’re in their mind!) wouldn’t it make sense if only I and the target can see them (not even my allies!), but in turn only me and my target can interact with them?

stay on topic, please.

iDisenchanter and iDefender.

I only used these in PvE. They aren’t that bad when they are on the field against some enemies.
I guess with a reduced casttime they would become an option in pvp too.

Cast time needs to be in line with weapon phantasms, so 1s should do it.
Defender needs more HP, just take away its damage, it’s pointless anyway.
Alternatively, he could give maybe 3s protection or 5s aegis to the mesmer when he dies (so OP with PU! Yeah well not everyone runs PU…)

Sounds good to me. It would certainly improve the flow of combat for Mesmers using these phantasms. At least Disenchanter should be lowered to 1 second.

Considering it’s trivial for a thief to blind you in under a second, I think 0.75 is the right number. These are defensive Phantasms, not offensive ones. At a minimum they should be the same cast time, if not shorter.

I only have one question:

What’s a cheese meta, and where can I get some?

HS Warrior, decap engie, et. al.

Thedenofsin.7340:

Also, you need to make Mesmers viable in your cheese meta.

“Anet, make mesmers op please.”
That’s all I’m seeing…

Thedenofsin.7340:

make Mesmers viable in your cheese meta.

Disgusting.

You don’t fix the cheese meta by buffing builds that are excluded from the meta. Get your priorities straight.