Guild Wars 2

Or else ele can just keep ignoring any type of condi build

The last time this happened, back in 2013, we experienced a condi ranger meta. Do you really want that again?

Except this time around, it’d probably be condi chronomancer/revenant/berserker/dragonhunter. Does that sound like a fun metagame to you?

infinite cleansing wayyaaa
- is balanced
NOoooooOOoope

Simple, just condi nuke when he swapps out of water. It’s called counterplay. If cd was added, ele would dissappear from PvP.

RevanCorana.8942:

infinite conditions wayyaaa
- is balanced
NOoooooOOoope

See how easy that was?

Yet another l2p issue. Why am I not surprised.

nearlight.3064:

The last time this happened, back in 2013, we experienced a condi ranger meta. Do you really want that again?

Except this time around, it’d probably be condi chronomancer/revenant/berserker/dragonhunter. Does that sound like a fun metagame to you?

One must add that it was also a period where Elementalist were completely out from the competitive environment. Rangers were also top tier.

Alright, let’s see.

Eles have already been nerfed into the ground:
Check.
Ele elite spec was knowingly made horrible to give other classes an as asymmetrical buff:
Check.
Recent vigor changes have put eles even more behind in clears:
Check.

And you’re still looking to snipe critical ele mechanics? At this rate, Anet should remove every class other than zerker wars and have damage be decided by an RNG engine.

I think Cleansing Water is fine, to be honest. I don’t even main Ele and I think it feels fine as it is. When you condi bomb an ele, they can’t apply nearly enough regen to negate it all. Plus if they start using Ether Renewal, all you have to do is interrupt them. It’s an L2P thing tbh.

Eles still have very good sustain and damage but without perma blind from burns and with fire line brought within reasonable levels, you should be able to fight them evenly now.

You know what’s easier than killing condi noobs as an ele? Killing almost anything else as a condi noob.

Ele condi removal is strong not because cleansing water is such a strong trait, it is because they have 6 different traits and all of their utilities contributing to that condition removal. If you dedicate that much of your build to condition removal, it better be strong against conditions. Even then things like signet necros and condi mesmers, which are both very condi heavy, are among the hardest match ups for an ele.

Noooo noooo and nooooo….

Because of that internal CD and it pain it caused for 1 year, when I go to a match with my Ele people asked me to switch toons because Ele was such a free kill…..

So no, give us 4K more HP then we can speak about it.

I wouldn’t mind if there was 5s icd on every condi application.

cleansing water was already nerfed when they randomized condi cleanse.

It would make more sense to look at the number of sources of regeneration instead. Soothing disruption should honestly heal for a small amount instead of applying regeneration.

I love how people kitten about the ele’s condi cleanse when they don’t actually know the cooldowns involved. Lets tally them up, shall we? On the meta d/d cele ele we have:

Water attune – 1 condi, 10 second cooldown
Water dodge – 1 condi, 10 second cooldown
Water 5 – 1 condi, 40 second cooldown
Cleansing Fire – 4 condi, 32 second cooldown
CF (Trait) – 4 condi, 32 second cooldown
Lightning Flash- 1 condi, 32 second cooldown
Armor of Earth – 1 condi, 60 second cooldown

Seems like a lot, right? A shocking 23 conditions cleared every 60 seconds is broken, right? Except for one problem: With the exception of CF, every condi clear the ele has only clears 1 condition at a time. While some can be optimally used at roughly the same time (dodge→waterswap just before the end), realistically all of those cleanses are happening one at a time, and can be easily beaten by pulsing cover condis like necro wells, ranger shortbow 1 skill or entangle , mesmer’s chaos storm, etcetera. Additionally, this also supposes that the ele is putting 8 skills on cooldown as well as using half of their dodgerolls every 10 seconds to cleanse conditions. The meta bunker-guardian build has similar AoE condition clears and they’re not considered broken.

Ele excels at stopping the conditions from non-condi builds, shrugging off weakness with ease, but any sustained condition pressure from a condition engi, necro or mesmer will easily exhaust all of the ele’s cleanses and then watch as they die an agonizing death to aids.

A FIVE-s ICD literally makes “cleansing water” only marginally better than “cleansing wave.”

Also consider, that, to get the condi cleanse, you are required to take a specific set of utilities and traits. Cleansing water alone accounts for (and requires taking arcana and soothing disruption):

Water attune – 1 condi, 10 second cooldown, 240 range AOE
Cleansing Fire – 1 condi, 32 second cooldown
Lightning Flash- 1 condi, 32 second cooldown
Armor of Earth – 1 condi, 60 second cooldown

The CF trait usually gets procced at 3 condis, so its bonus condi removed shouldn’t be counted.

Compare the frequency of this condi cleanse to something like Pure of Voice, which also stacks with soldier runes (to double the cleanse), both of which have no ICD, requires no additional trait options, and applies to utilities that are AOE and have a shorter CD. Further, pure of voice doesn’t just remove the condis, but also converts them into boons:

Retreat – 1 condi every 32s, AOE
Stand Your Ground – 1 condi every 24s, AOE
Hold the Line – 1 condi every 28s, AOE
Feel My Wrath – 1 condi every 36s, 600 range AOE

Ele Cleansing Water: Roughly 9 condis cleansed every 60s, 6 of them aoe (240 range)
Pure of Voice: Roughly 8 condis converted to boons every 60s (optimally), all of them aoe (600 range)

Heck, I am tempted to say cleansing water needs a buff (tongue in cheek on that).