Guild Wars 2

Hi! I wanted to ask your help please Eles community, I’m a bit tired to not be taken in party couse I don’t have a war. I would love to do dungeons but everyone says eles don’t do any damage and they say i should make a war.

Is possibile to make an ele with an output damage similiar to a war and with similar defence? I really don’t like to play a war i tried but i just don’t like it.

Thank you all for your help!

Not right now it’s not. Warriors are really strong right now.

The elem is quite strong at the moment.

You can do more damage than warriors in a casual run by using a Lightning Hammer build.

In challenging runs you can use a Fresh Air build (check my sig), you will then do a bit less damage than warriors but your utility and support will make you at least as valuable.

It’s extremely rare (if at all?) that a group won’t take an good Ele for dungeon content. Only the top fractal groups or speed runs will care, and they won’t look for members on GW2LFG or in map chat.

Use a good PvE spec, wear the right gear (‘zerker) and play well. Ele’s are strong in PvE and complement a group of Warriors/Guardians/Mesmers well.

I do level 70+ fractal runs with 3 eles and it is smooth

Most speedrun groups take 1-2 eles for their damage. Only time they dont is for a full record time where skipping is important to get a fast time (warriors are the fastest class to get through running parts of dungeons). For speedkills of certain bosses eles are always taken.

lolz so much bs comming out of people here. pethetic to look at.

facts are YOU CANNOT!! make an ele with the dps and SURVIVABILITY of a war, its just not durable so dont even try…

you can get the dps of it if build correctly but you will drop as a fly if anything as much as looks at you…..

Yeah it’s true, I really hate it when a warrior uses swirling wind or focus earth 5 and all I can do on my elementalist is raise my shield for a few seconds and hope that the wave will pass quickly before I can get back to the only thing I can do: damage.

Don’t play CoF, and you’ll be fine with an elementalist because sadly there are still people who hold on to the believe that 4 warr’s and 1 mesmer is the only way CoF should be done.

There are other dungeons that are fun, and where elementalist shines.

Erebus.7568:

lolz so much bs comming out of people here. pethetic to look at.

facts are YOU CANNOT!! make an ele with the dps and SURVIVABILITY of a war, its just not durable so dont even try…

you can get the dps of it if build correctly but you will drop as a fly if anything as much as looks at you…..

umm i do arah all paths daily with a few friends on a melee zerk ele. Not as easymode/steamroll to handle as war or guard but definitely doable.

You can make builds with possibly MORE damage output, and might/fury sharing.

However you’ll be really squishy.

Bread.7516:

Erebus.7568:

lolz so much bs comming out of people here. pethetic to look at.

facts are YOU CANNOT!! make an ele with the dps and SURVIVABILITY of a war, its just not durable so dont even try…

you can get the dps of it if build correctly but you will drop as a fly if anything as much as looks at you…..

umm i do arah all paths daily with a few friends on a melee zerk ele. Not as easymode/steamroll to handle as war or guard but definitely doable.

you want a cookie?.

i never said ele cant do anything. but that it will NEVER have the dps+survive of a war which was the op’s question which apparently 90% of all posters was too stupid to understand.

almost anything the ele does the war can easy mode with one hand on its back. THATS a big kittening balance gap between the classes….

Erebus.7568:

Bread.7516:

Erebus.7568:

lolz so much bs comming out of people here. pethetic to look at.

facts are YOU CANNOT!! make an ele with the dps and SURVIVABILITY of a war, its just not durable so dont even try…

you can get the dps of it if build correctly but you will drop as a fly if anything as much as looks at you…..

umm i do arah all paths daily with a few friends on a melee zerk ele. Not as easymode/steamroll to handle as war or guard but definitely doable.

you want a cookie?.

i never said ele cant do anything. but that it will NEVER have the dps+survive of a war which was the op’s question which apparently 90% of all posters was too stupid to understand.

almost anything the ele does the war can easy mode with one hand on its back. THATS a big kittening balance gap between the classes….

quote any of the posters in this thread that mentioned survivability? because i see none, they only mention it;s doable and that they can output the same or more damage.

oh and ele dps is better than war, sometimes war doesn’t hold a candle

Erebus.7568:

i never said ele cant do anything. but that it will NEVER have the dps+survive of a war which was the op’s question which apparently 90% of all posters was too stupid to understand.

almost anything the ele does the war can easy mode with one hand on its back. THATS a big kittening balance gap between the classes….

Looks like someone is bad at ele!

Survivability in PvE is nothing more than dodges, heals, aegis and not sucking.
Eles have more overall dps than warriors.
FGS’s rush to the wall provides more burst than warriors.

Now i wish you good luck trying to argue that with the average pug.

Oxxy.7068:

Survivability in PvE is nothing more than dodges, heals, aegis and not sucking.
Eles have more overall dps than warriors.
FGS’s rush to the wall provides more burst than warriors.

Now i wish you good luck trying to argue that with the average pug.

that is a superficial statement.

Some easy concepts.
You can t evade while using fgs rush
You can t evade most condition aoes/Attacks (the same reason why current PvP ele is bad).
You give up most of your healing capability while in conjured.
You also need warrior support to do more dps than warrior itself.

Now if you are carried by a good guardian…yes you can spam ele for huge dps.

I may be wrong but i never seen a conjured ele soloing dungeons…while is quite common for a war.
A non conjured ele can solo dungeons but it takes a lot.

LordByron.8369:

Oxxy.7068:

Survivability in PvE is nothing more than dodges, heals, aegis and not sucking.
Eles have more overall dps than warriors.
FGS’s rush to the wall provides more burst than warriors.

Now i wish you good luck trying to argue that with the average pug.

that is a superficial statement.

Some easy concepts.
You can t evade while using fgs rush
You can t evade most condition aoes/Attacks (the same reason why current PvP ele is bad).
You give up most of your healing capability while in conjured.
You also need warrior support to do more dps than warrior itself.

Now if you are carried by a good guardian…yes you can spam ele for huge dps.

I may be wrong but i never seen a conjured ele soloing dungeons…while is quite common for a war.
A non conjured ele can solo dungeons but it takes a lot.

We’re talking about group dungeons here, right? So, first off, i don’t give half a skritt about warriors soloing whatever here.
Anyways let’s start with some easy awnsers then!
1.: Wait for the boss to dance tango while singing macarena before using it’s big attack, avoid it with the FGS Whirl (to the wall, as well) or a simple dodge roll, proceed to rush.
2.: That’s why guardians run pure of voice or purging flames.
3.: Ok that was my bad, i failed at explaining that point properly, let’s try again: all you need in order to survive in terms of sheer healing is your basic heal skill (ofc there will be tight situations, but tight situations happens with everyone).
4.: Reminder that we’re talking about groups here, and every group should have at least one warrior.

Being carried is such a failed concept, you’re dealing HUGE damage, while providing your party might, maybe fury, from Hammer #1 (also blind while clearing trash) and all you need is a fire field (that your guardian SHOULD provide you), i can’t see how you’re being carried here, all i see is an ele pulling his own weight.

And since i’m nice today, here’s something for you to think about:
Every profession needs support from others to deal peak damage.
Warriors are awesome at self buffing, sure, i can’t argue with that, however guardians have kittenty self buffing habilites, but in a group they usually pull out better sustained dps than warriors (less burst tho).

You are not very nice with the skritts.

Well they do steal other people’s shinies. :/

do you know that this game was supposed to not have a trinity?
Expecially a healer

If i need someone to heal me and clean condition then something is really gone wrong.

OMFFG HEAL ME INSTEAD OF THE TANK THAT’S OBVIOUSLY KEEPING THE BOSS OFF US

OMFG WHY IS THE TANK SO BAD I KEEP AGGROING BECAUSE I CAN’T MANAGE MY DPS

AAAAHHHHHH

Yeah, I totally miss that.

LordByron.8369:

do you know that this game was supposed to not have a trinity?
Expecially a healer

If i need someone to heal me and clean condition then something is really gone wrong.

You mean like if your team mates provide you support?
Yeah that’s got to be wrong

LordByron.8369:

do you know that this game was supposed to not have a trinity?
Expecially a healer

If i need someone to heal me and clean condition then something is really gone wrong.

I want out, i’m done with this thread, have a good day everyone.

Ps.: Engies and Rangers can clear conditions too, but guardians just have it better (two conditions, one being converted into a boon without the chance of screwing fire fields). Ah, you can blast Ranger’s healing spring to AoE heal your whole group.

Nothing owns LOS pulled foes, or bosses like Subject Alpha that can be brought against a wall like having 2 Ele’s bring Fiery Greatsword and having 4 people use skill 4 with no target

Wasn’t FGS rush “fixed” in the last update?

Aren’t elementalists actually top dps in a group for dungeons ATM?

Yes in speedruns they are.

People forget this game is designed to play x class to compliment y and z classes you can pull 10kdps out of a staff ele LH can do 13k plus and fgs on walled targets can be 30k dps if done right. Can an ele do it solo. No but this isn’t a solo game. 2 ele speced one LH and one staff can make 25 might and minutes of fury without trying in pve.

Pve survivabity is dodges and awareness.

It’s rough but can be done. As someone mentioned Lightning Hammer is the way to go.

I was running 30 fire, 30 air, and 10 earth (these last 10 could really be anywhere).

Run lightning hammer, arcane blast, and I was using arcane shield for defense when needed.

Take the 30 point trait in power that makes the fire fields last longer and gives fury.

I use Sceptor/Dagger.

I try to get into a rotation of Fire Attune ((#2 followed up by #4 fire field under the tooth from #2, #3 AoE in the fire field, Arcane Blast or Wave (which ever is the blast finisher) , Earth Attune #4, #5)). At this point you will have a nice stack of might and duration on fury.

Then whip out the Lightning Hammer and go to town.

Gear as you see fit to survive. Some players are better than others in dodging, but if you stay up an entire fight, you are more beneficial to the group as a whole, than a warrior can ever be.

Just takes time and practice.

I have to say it really gets annoying hearing all the kitten’n on this forum about how Ele’s are so bad at everything. I started this game as a mesmer, dabbled with guardian, engineer, necros……once I made this elementalist I can not go back to any other class. They have an answer for almost anything, you just have to find the weapon/stat/utility combination to pull it off. (and have a mouse with 7 buttons )

Bread.7516:

Erebus.7568:

Bread.7516:

Erebus.7568:

lolz so much bs comming out of people here. pethetic to look at.

facts are YOU CANNOT!! make an ele with the dps and SURVIVABILITY of a war, its just not durable so dont even try…

you can get the dps of it if build correctly but you will drop as a fly if anything as much as looks at you…..

umm i do arah all paths daily with a few friends on a melee zerk ele. Not as easymode/steamroll to handle as war or guard but definitely doable.

you want a cookie?.

i never said ele cant do anything. but that it will NEVER have the dps+survive of a war which was the op’s question which apparently 90% of all posters was too stupid to understand.

almost anything the ele does the war can easy mode with one hand on its back. THATS a big kittening balance gap between the classes….

quote any of the posters in this thread that mentioned survivability? because i see none, they only mention it;s doable and that they can output the same or more damage.

oh and ele dps is better than war, sometimes war doesn’t hold a candle

maybe you should actually read instead.. but i understand its VERY hard to keep interest to read even THE VERY FIRST POST!! so here is the quote just for you -.-

ps: war ALWAYS outshine ele’s in dungeons, saying otherwise shows a complete lack of basic knowledge of whats going on -.-
the ONLY place a ele could be prefferable to a war which i can think of is VERY high lvl Fractiles, but who knows i havent done high lvl fractiles in a long time so dont know if they have become absolite there as well :/

Aedil.1296:

Is possibile to make an ele with an output damage similiar to a war and with similar defence? I really don’t like to play a war i tried but i just don’t like it.

Thank you all for your help!

zoran.4826:

People forget this game is designed to play x class to compliment y and z classes you can pull 10kdps out of a staff ele LH can do 13k plus and fgs on walled targets can be 30k dps if done right. Can an ele do it solo. No but this isn’t a solo game. 2 ele speced one LH and one staff can make 25 might and minutes of fury without trying in pve.

Pve survivabity is dodges and awareness.

i am pretty sure you dont know what dps means -.- you seem to be talking about SPIKE not dps.. wich is pretty useless for calc dungeon runs. and even at Spikes you will not reach anywhere near 30k dps no matter the weapon and magic setup you might try to throw akitten-.-

your might/furry idea is forced a VERY specific situation where you assume your having 2 extremely squicy targets stand on top of the target you need to buff up hard to kill fast and apparently it doesnt even care to hit you or just the ground with aoe’s -.-
the situation is so specific and setup in a way where two WARS would do a Crapton more overall dps then those two ele’s would and add to that in a situation where the ele’s would have any chance of survival the wars would easy mode it while being immortal to its dps…..

No he is talking about dps.
LH can do close to 14k dps, a bit less if you are being realistic and take into account a few details, but the bulk is there.

Okay, let’s assume you do a 3-hit-rotation in about 3 seconds (including the time between the hits). This means for 15k DPS every hit must deal an average 15k dmg. Even in an ideal scenario (+90% HP, weakness, might and so on) your third hit rarely reaches 15k when it crits not even speaking of the first two hits which are max 8-10k usually. There will be also misses and no 100% weakness und might-uptime, small gaps where you’ve run out of hammer-charges, time when you fetch the 2nd hammer, etc.
15k DPS is just utpic. You May reach 15k dps spikes if you have crit-luck, but one will never reach that number over the duration of a whole fight (maybe you can if they removed CDs from fiery-gs und you chanel against a wall)

I think I talked about a bit less than 14k …

Also I used the word “can”

Edit: Anyway if you really need it I can come up with the calculation.

With 25 stacks of might lava font hits 5700 and auto attack hits for 5700 each second and with reduced cool down on fire spells lava font has almost 100% upkeep. Dps is not obtained with a staff by fury on blast or might on fire cast dps is damage per second. In a well built group might and fury can be maxed without losing dps.

zoran.4826:

With 25 stacks of might lava font hits 5700 and auto attack hits for 5700 each second and with reduced cool down on fire spells lava font has almost 100% upkeep. Dps is not obtained with a staff by fury on blast or might on fire cast dps is damage per second. In a well built group might and fury can be maxed without losing dps.

You are being too optimistic.

But yes, staff is strong. I calculated a 1.36 c/s (modified for weapon damage) on a human-size target.
This is about as high as LH, but there are two things to notice:
-LH is not entirely sustained
-LH gives valuable stats to the caster and can benefit from more modifiers
It is hard to say to which extent the two points offset each other.

Azunai.5974:

OMFFG HEAL ME INSTEAD OF THE TANK THAT’S OBVIOUSLY KEEPING THE BOSS OFF US

OMFG WHY IS THE TANK SO BAD I KEEP AGGROING BECAUSE I CAN’T MANAGE MY DPS

AAAAHHHHHH

Yeah, I totally miss that.

I PULLED THE ENTIRE DUNGEON AT ONCE WITH A GLASS CANNON BUILD WHY AREN’T YOU KEEPING ME ALIVE HEALER?! DPS WHY AREN’T YOU KILLING THE 200 MOBS I PULLED FASTER WITH YOUR SINGLE TARGET ATTACKS?! OMG WORST GROUP EVER!

I also miss that. I think I’ll have to reinstall [insert any other MMORPG ever made here] to relive the good ol’ days.

Erebus.7568:

Bread.7516:

Erebus.7568:

Bread.7516:

Erebus.7568:

lolz so much bs comming out of people here. pethetic to look at.

facts are YOU CANNOT!! make an ele with the dps and SURVIVABILITY of a war, its just not durable so dont even try…

you can get the dps of it if build correctly but you will drop as a fly if anything as much as looks at you…..

umm i do arah all paths daily with a few friends on a melee zerk ele. Not as easymode/steamroll to handle as war or guard but definitely doable.

you want a cookie?.

i never said ele cant do anything. but that it will NEVER have the dps+survive of a war which was the op’s question which apparently 90% of all posters was too stupid to understand.

almost anything the ele does the war can easy mode with one hand on its back. THATS a big kittening balance gap between the classes….

quote any of the posters in this thread that mentioned survivability? because i see none, they only mention it;s doable and that they can output the same or more damage.

oh and ele dps is better than war, sometimes war doesn’t hold a candle

maybe you should actually read instead.. but i understand its VERY hard to keep interest to read even THE VERY FIRST POST!! so here is the quote just for you -.-

ps: war ALWAYS outshine ele’s in dungeons, saying otherwise shows a complete lack of basic knowledge of whats going on -.-
the ONLY place a ele could be prefferable to a war which i can think of is VERY high lvl Fractiles, but who knows i havent done high lvl fractiles in a long time so dont know if they have become absolite there as well :/

Aedil.1296:

Is possibile to make an ele with an output damage similiar to a war and with similar defence? I really don’t like to play a war i tried but i just don’t like it.

Thank you all for your help!

yeah, i read the first post. the gist of it he asked “ele with dps& survivability of war”

people answered “yes dps no comment on survivability”

maybe you should read properly. oh yeah i forgot, you find it difficult to do so.

fyi: if you mean to say war outshines ele, in terms of dungeon speedruns. LOL you obviously don’t know what’s up in the dungeon scene and you probably still pug.

don;t get me wrong, 1 or 2 wars are ideal to have in dungeons, but when you say eles arent preferred over another war in most situations in dungeons then you obviously have no idea.

post your data please, because there are videos of eles in 5man parties dominating speedkills and holding records, where is your evidence? DPS spreadsheet calculations pls.

Elementalists are top dmg atm.

Zelyhn.8069:

I think I talked about a bit less than 14k …

Also I used the word “can”

yeah but people even talked about 30k … lol

Daecollo.9578:

Elementalists are top dmg atm.

according to the description and design of the class that’s exactly where they should be

30k dps is indeed for the FGS burst, at lasts 5s each time

Daecollo.9578:

Elementalists are top dmg atm.

Lightning Hammer OP.